Welcome all to TealTalk, an experiment to facilitate communication
between TealPoint Staffmembers and customers and create an online
community to support and improve our products for PalmOS handhelds.

We're all curious about where this forum will take us, but we hope
it'll bring benefits for us all.  Please play nice, and hope to hear
from you soon.

-tex

Some of you might have noticed that we just released version 6 of
TealPaint.  This was a BIG undertaking, as the original program was
written in assembly language and we decided to do a completely new
program written from scratch in 'c' to make it more maintainable.

Anyway, the new version has some amazing new features like layers,
[nearly] unlimited image size, and zoom modes (zoom in and zoom
out), as well as amazing compatibility with different display modes
and sizes due to our TICL code library we've built it on.  The
TealPoint Image Manager is also new.

Because it is a new program, there will be an upgrade fee of $7.95
for buyers of TealPaint 5 or earlier versions of the program.  We
know some of you might disagree with this, but we hope you
understand that otherwise we couldn't afford to do such an extensive
upgrade to the program.

As a courtesy, we've created gratis upgrade passkeys for anyone who
bought the older version on or after July 1, 2003.  The catch is
that you need to look it up on our online system yourself (without
our help) by the email address you used when registering.

http://www.tealpoint.com/upgrade.htm

Incidentally, the update system is built on top of an online
customer management system that we've just finished which also lets
you change the email address you receive update notifications at
yourself.  Find the link from the online helpdesk (also new) under
the "registering" topic.  We'll post a clearer link after it is
finalized.

http://www.tealpoint.com/faq.htm (click on "registering")

thanks,

-t

Our TealTalk Yahoo Group is up and running, how exciting!

So what are we up to?

Hey, now that we have this cool new forum, We thought it would be a
good idea to post a monthly (more or less) roadmap of what updates
are coming up for various programs so everyone has a better idea of
what to expect in the coming weeks.  Let us know if you find this
useful and interesting.

Almost all the programs have fairly non-trivial lists of things to
do by now, and of course, everyone has their favorite features they
want added.  They can't all be first (sadly), but here's what seems
to be coming up soon in the chute based on requests and biz-ness
considerations:

* TealLock 5.2:

This adds hires TealPaint imagery support and "run when locked"
functionality to OS5 handhelds (in addition to OS3/4 handhelds) for
phone/backup-app support.  Preliminary reports from the current Beta
look good, so it's probably only a week or two away if nothing else
pops up.

* TealScript:

Based on customer requests, we want to improve support for the
Tungsten T3, adding an autocaps mode that follows the new "3-panel"
Graffiti layout on this device.  Other improvements may include page-
up strokes that can be done when the device is closed and better
ways to toggle write-anywhere mode, if possible.

* TealDoc:

Tungsten T3 full-screen mode is a must.  Now that TealPaint 6 is
out, support for hires images should be added too.  Ideally, we'd
like to rewrite the program on our TICL codebase.  This would allow
many more features and better compatibility, but we're not sure this
is the right time to do this, as it would delay other incremental
updates.

* Others (unclear, the future is...)

Most apps have lists of things we want to try.  We might be able to
fit some of the ones which require small changes in between as time
permits, but since there's only two more weeks left in the month,
we'll try to have the next roadmap out before then.

thanks!

- the TealPoint Software Development Team

Just released today:  TealLock 5.20

This new release adds compatibility with high-resolution and 16-bit
images created in TealPaint 6, as well as "run when locked"
functionality for PalmOS 5, allowing phone calls to be received on
the Treo 600 and backup apps to run.

Next on the agenda: TealScript!

-t

We've just posted up TealScript 3.12 to the beta test page at
http://www.tealpoint.com/beta.htm

This new version improves support for the Tungsten T3, adding
support for the 3-panel "wide" graffiti entry mode and up-stroke
swipes when the shell is closed or starts in the status bar.  The
write-anywhere status icon now also toggles TealScript's w/a mode,
though the icon will not light up when on.

A few other changes are coming, like fixing support for non-text
shortcuts, etc.  Stay tuned, and everybody please feel free to start
posting discussion about the beta or indeed any topic of general
interest in this forum.

thanks,

-t

Hi all,

Now that TealScript 3.2 is nearly ready for release, this week we
started to explore the next update to TealDoc, probably called
TealDoc 6.  The primary issue is adding support for the PalmOS Pin
Manager used by the Tungsten T3 for its "full screen" mode.  The
more we looked into it, however, the more it seemed like supporting
it through Palm's standard development environment and the existing
TealDoc codebase would be really difficult, given how awkwardly the
Pin Manager seems to have been designed.

Instead, we're thinking that it would be better to do a full rewrite
under our TICL code library, which has been designed from the ground
up to support resizable screens and the Pin Manager.  Similar to the
new version of TealPaint we recently finished, this would produce a
clean stable code-base ready to accept new features and give much
better compatibility to all existing and future devices.  Without
it, we'd continue to spend most of our time chasing incompatibities
with new devices as they make their own patches to PalmOS, and not
be able to add more features to the program.

Using TealPaint 6 as a starting point, we put together a very simple
feature-free test doc reader, which you can try at
www.tealpoint.com/download/beta/tealdoc.zip

While this shell does not do a whole lot, it does read basic doc
files in both landscape and portrait modes on the T3.  What do you
all think?  Would continuing this upgrade be worthwhile considering
the time (probably 2 months or more) that it would take to
complete?  If we do a full rewrite instead of developing a new
different product, we would probably need to charge a small fee for
upgrades.  What features would make this worthwhile?  What is most
important?:

* Inline Italic text?
* Inline Underlined text?
* Inline Bold text?
* Small font support?
* User added fonts (via fontbucket) ?
* User-mappable buttons?
* Editing capability?
* Better smooth scrolling?
* High resolution images?

Thanks,

-t

I love all the features you mention but for me the're is only one
feature important: T3 full screen!

Right now I have to use the Pa1mOne palm reader and IMHO it doesn't
come close to tealdoc.

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "arjan2go" <arjan@f...> wrote:
> I love all the features you mention but for me the're is only one
> feature important: T3 full screen!
>
> Right now I have to use the Pa1mOne palm reader and IMHO it
doesn't
> come close to tealdoc.

Thanks.  The beta linked in the last message should already support
the T3 full screen mode, even though it doesn't do much else yet.
As with all other 3rd party apps, you'll need the Palm DIA
compatibility patches for the fullscreen/landscape modes to be
supported.

http://www.tealpoint.com/download/utils/t3_dia_compatibility_prcs.zip

We've just posted an update to TealPaint to the Beta page.

It fixes some screen access issues which was preventing the drawing
preview from working in landscape mode of the T3 in the 6.00
release.  Please try all the tools and let me know if we missed
anything.  If any of you have a TapWave and can test it there,
please let us know how each of the tools works.

If we confirm functionality, we want to post this up as a quick
update.

-t

That's not exactly what I mean.

Yes, you can extend the program to do all kinds of new stuff.
Maybe that's what some people are looking for.
For me I just need version 3.x with t3 screen resolution.
The rest is just extra, taken up (ram)space.
Just like MS-word does! :(

Most of the books I read are converted text files or ms-word
documents.

IMHO it would be much nicer to have a program that will convert
mac/windows texts to tealdoc format with features like removing
double spaces, adding headings etc etc.
Maybe a printerdriver that will create tealdoc files instead from cut
and pasted files.

Adding new features is not a problem on my T3 but will it be the same
on a T1 with only 16 meg free?


--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, tealtex <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "arjan2go" <arjan@f...> wrote:
> > I love all the features you mention but for me the're is only one
> > feature important: T3 full screen!
> >
> > Right now I have to use the Pa1mOne palm reader and IMHO it
> doesn't
> > come close to tealdoc.
>
> Thanks.  The beta linked in the last message should already support
> the T3 full screen mode, even though it doesn't do much else yet.
> As with all other 3rd party apps, you'll need the Palm DIA
> compatibility patches for the fullscreen/landscape modes to be
> supported.
>
>
http://www.tealpoint.com/download/utils/t3_dia_compatibility_prcs.zip

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "arjan2go" <arjan@f...> wrote:
> Yes, you can extend the program to do all kinds of new stuff.
> Maybe that's what some people are looking for.
> For me I just need version 3.x with t3 screen resolution.
> The rest is just extra, taken up (ram)space.
> Just like MS-word does! :(

Yes, that's a tough balance for us maintain.  The truth is that most
of our customers do insist on more features.  The problem is that
they all want *different* features!  ;)

The DIA manager and the landscape mode the T3 adds is very awkward
and code-heavy to support because of the way Palm implemented it.
To do it properly, we need to do a full rewrite of the program under
our TICL code library which contains a whole new GUI subsystem which
supports arbitrary resizable displays and orientations.  The bad
news is that library adds about 80k in size even without new
features.

Since we're going to have to spend weeks and weeks essentially
writing a new program from scratch, though, it also seems
unavoidable that we add new features along the way to make the
effort worthwhile for all.  What features to add?  That's why
the "call for discussion."

If all you use is basic text-only doc reading, maybe there is the
possibility of releasing a "tealdoc lite" if enough people or
interested.  The current alpha-03 version (
www.tealpoint.com/download/beta/tealdoc.zip ) is pretty close.  We
need to add a scrollbar, fix a few things, add more fonts, etc, but
without image/tag/autoscroll/editing support it would probably be
pretty close in size to the last release even with the TICL library
linked in.  I curious what the final size would be even with the new
features, however, as the TICL library has a lot of routines which
simplify operations that took a lot more code to implement before.

> IMHO it would be much nicer to have a program that will convert
> mac/windows texts to tealdoc format with features like removing
> double spaces, adding headings etc etc.
> Maybe a printerdriver that will create tealdoc files instead from
cut
> and pasted files.

Since TealDoc supports standard doc files, there are already a bunch
of tools out there besides the conversion tool we include, at least
for basic text files.  This includes some Word macros that might do
what you need.  I don't know if a printerdriver would work, as they
tend to be page-based and support coordinate-based layout that
doesn't translate directly to a doc-format.

In general, however, we try to concentrate our efforts on developing
directly on the handheld, as building conversion utilities and other
auxillary desktop-based apps have gotten to be a huge time time-sink
in the past which didn't contribute much to our core business.  It's
also not where we have most of our tools and our experience lies.

thanks.

-t

I have been using TealScript for 2 years and it it provides an
amazing increase in graffiti entry, not only for writing but in
spreadsheets, address entry and repetitive text (through macros).
Those macros can be used to bring up WordComplete boxes (old
graffiti "t" ended with the "hump" of an "h," for example)
writes "th;" this then brings up then, that, there, therefore, Thank
your for your email, et cetera.  Terrific.

The trade-off is when TealScript is NOT enabled on a T3, programs
like AcidImage which use drag bars to magnify pictures or drag images
respond quickly.  They do not respond at all when TealScript is
engaged, which means you either press "+" or "-" like a rat in a lab
test, or you don't magnify at all.  Similar "glitches" appear in
spreadsheets where you are outlining a series of cells.  In Graffiti
2, what you "draw" is what you get.  In TealScript you have to wait
until the stylus is raised and "hope" you chose the right ones.

If this can either be explained or fixed or both, TealScript
DRAMATICALLY improves operation of a T3, closed or open.  If you
don't have to worry about map dragging -- it's a non-issue and you
should DEFINITELY use nothing else but T/S.

I alternate between text entry, adding numbers to a spreadsheet, and
map viewing -- so 2 out of those 3 are affected by the "pen contact
on screen" thing.  Right now I'm disabling TealScript while viewing
maps, and re-engaging when I leave that application.

The problem may be with the T3, also -- or a particular program -- I
just have to figure it out with Tealpoint's help.

Paul

> The trade-off is when TealScript is NOT enabled on a T3, programs
> like AcidImage which use drag bars to magnify pictures or drag
images
> respond quickly.  They do not respond at all when TealScript is
> engaged, which means you either press "+" or "-" like a rat in a
lab
> test, or you don't magnify at all.  Similar "glitches" appear in
> spreadsheets where you are outlining a series of cells.  In
Graffiti
> 2, what you "draw" is what you get.  In TealScript you have to
wait
> until the stylus is raised and "hope" you chose the right ones.

I most of these cases, the trick is to hold the pen down for a brief
pause before moving it to make sure it registers as a screen tap
instead of a graffiti stroke, or to adjust the "write anywhere"
settings to make them less sensitive to pen movement.  The good
thing, which I'm sure you know (but I'm mentioning for others) is
that with 3.20 and T3, toggling "write anywhere" responds to the
status bar icon.

A few programs (like that Bible program) actually read the pen
stroke directly with their own notification handler, and they don't
get the stroke because they're set a notification priority lower
than TealScript.  For these, we'll need to experiment with lower
priorities.

-t

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, tealtex <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The trade-off is when TealScript is NOT enabled on a T3,
programs
> > like AcidImage which use drag bars to magnify pictures or drag
> images

TealScript 3.21, released today, should now fix this problem.
Thanks Eric for tracking down what it was linked to.

Also released is TealMover 1.70, which has been recompiled with the
new TICL library to support Treo600-style pen-free 5-way hyphen-rich
navigation.

This new navigation standard on the Treo600, where an "active"
control is selected by movement of the 5-way, is assumed to be the
new PalmOS interface standard.  The system on the Treo600 has been
hacked into PalmOS and does not seem to work with dynamic forms, so
we've coded our own similar behavior from scratch in our TICL
library, and this will be the new interface standard we'll support
in apps moving forward.

Now, it's back to TealDoc 6.

thanks for listening.

-t

I don't know who Tex meant when he thanked "Eric;" could be a
Tealpoint co-worker or a customer like me -- but my GEAT thanks to
him as well.

TealScript 3.21 is ABSOUTELY great.  I now don't have to turn off
(disable) T/S to use maps, drag/edit cells in a spreadsheet, move the
TealDoc "document progress bar" or anything else.
It's fantastic.  You've nailed it.  I've posted this to Brighthand
and PDDA Street (Palm Blvd) - already got two thank you's from other
folks who HATE Graffiti 2!

This is such a big deal, kids . . . TealScript 3.21 is (I think)
PERFECT now -- no glitches with the drag bars and maps, quick, and
most important ON ALL THE TIME!!

Thanks to Eric and ALL at Tealpoint for finally being able to "tweak"
what I've been commenting on for 2 weeks -- it must have been hard to
find but it's DONE NOW!!  Fantastic/Paul

TealPad seems to be a very nice OS5 replacement of PopUpNotes.
However, the notepad window is too big. Therefore, I would like to
request a sizable option. It would be nice to have these two
permanent size options:
1. Half the default height.
2. Half the default height and two thirds of the default width.
If this app has that flexibility then it will be really useful since
the whole point of it is not to cover the whole screen, but to
assist other apps.

Another extra feature would be a link to the built-in Memopad. I
think two direct icons one for import and another for export to/from
the notepad would be nice.

Also, the copy, paste, select all features should be icons as well.

Finally, better interaction with the virtual graffiti would be nice.
The problem is when the application is lunch with the virtual
graffiti hidden and then it is brought up to write on the NotePad,
it closes the notepad. In other words, in order to on the notepad
the virtual has to be first shown and then the notepad should be
call, it doesn't work the other way around.

I hope this helps to make this application much more powerful and
useful for everybody.

It would be nice to have an enhancements request forum, where
developers can find the things what we need and that they could work
on to make apps, games, hardware fit our needs and make everybody
happy at the end. Better features, more demand, more users, more
sales, more power to the Palm OS.

Al

Will TealPhone support the T3's fullscreen? If so, is there a general timeframe
for that
update?  TealPhone is one of the few programs I haven't switched from in favor
of a
program that has full screen support, but I hope it will be updated soon.

Thanks
TD

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alberto" <albertocajigas@s...>
wrote:
...
> 1. Half the default height.
> 2. Half the default height and two thirds of the default width.
>
> Another extra feature would be a link to the built-in Memopad...
>
> Also, the copy, paste, select all features should be icons as well.
>
> Finally, better interaction with the virtual graffiti would be
nice...
>

Good suggestions.  I'd like to have them too, though TealTools is
probably a little down in the totem pole compared to other programs
for updates because it seems to be working pretty well right now.  I
don't know if virtual graffiti can work as you'd like, as the popup
nature of TealPad might limit the control it has over the virtual
graffiti, but we'll take a look at it.

> It would be nice to have an enhancements request forum, where

For now this seems to be a fine place to discuss requests.  I kinda
wished Group had categories, though.

-t

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "tddisc" <tddisc@y...> wrote:
> Will TealPhone support the T3's fullscreen? If so, is there a
general timeframe for that
> update?

Yes.  Like TealDoc, however, it will probably take a painful full
rewrite of the program to do it correctly due to how poorly the T3
DIA system is designed (thanks Palm!).

As a full rewrite and major update, we'll probably have to (sadly)
ask for a upgrade fee (probably $7.95) for the new version.  With
every licensee adding custom incompatible extensions to PalmOS these
days, we're spending all our time writing rewrites, patches and
workarounds instead of new apps, and that doesn't do wonders at bill-
paying time.  We plan to add lots of nice feature upgrades at the
same time to make is worthwhile for all, so please let us know
things that are on your wishlist so we can plan for them.

Our plan is to get all our core apps rewritten in the TICL codebase
as soon as possible in preparation for PalmOS 6 (Cobalt).  TealPhone
is likely to be next in line after TealDoc is done, which is
probably about a month away, I'm guessing.

That reminds me.  I need to release a new development roadmap.

thanks
-t

Okay, it's already mid-November (clumsy me!), but here is what we
are doing in development:

TealDoc 6:

TealDoc 6 is currently in Alpha, which means that the full rewrite
is coming along but not everything works.  Still, the codebase is
looking good and basic functionality is working great.  Check out
the latest version on the beta page at www.tealpoint.com/beta.htm

TealScript 3.22:

3.22 is currently on the beta page, which adds a workaround for an
apparent bug in the TapWave Zodiac roms.  It will likely be released
in a few days.

TealMagnify:

There is one small issue on the Treo600 having to do with a quirk in
their keyboard driver which re-echoes the find button if you don't
hold it and the shift button down enough.  This should be a quick
fix we'll try to slip in when we need a break from TealDoc.

TealPhone:

The next big update on our hitlist, the new TealPhone update will be
a full rewrite which will, amongst other things, add full screen T3
support.  It's probably at least a month away, as we won't want to
start it until after TealDoc 6 is done.

thanks!

  - the TealPoint Software Development Team

---
Sound good Tex,
Thanks for the heads-up
alan

In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, tealtex <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Okay, it's already mid-November (clumsy me!), but here is what we
> are doing in development:

Now that tax time is approaching, a number of you have started
running reports, and some of you have gotten weird numbers in your
calculations.  This is caused by bad entries in your trip or fueling
entries which is throwing the values off.

We've released a beta of TealAuto (1.33) which tries to detect and
reject some of the bad entries, as well as adding optional support
for Imperial (instead of US) gallons when calculating mileage for
fuelings entered using litres.

If you get bad entries, check for the following problems using
the "odometer" pick list selections for the fueling and trip lists:

1) Make sure all odometer entries are valid, and in increasing value
by date.  An entry with an extra or missing digit will yield really
big total miles calculations.

2) Make sure all trip entries appear with a distance entry in
parentheses.  When missing, the end miles are probably set to a
value less than the start miles, which will overflow the
calculations and show large or negative trip miles in the summary.

3) If you find a problem, narrow the date range until it goes away
and increase it to find the date of the bad entry.

4) Check all vehicles for problems above, as totals default to being
sums across all vehicles.

5) Try beta 1.33, which marks trip entries in the list with negative
trip distance or distance greater than 10000 with "!!!!!"

hope this helps,

-the TealPoint Software Dev Team.

It's strange how things "get by you."  I remember thinking, when I
ordered TealDoc from Sara long ago -- "I don't really need a doc
program."  HA HA HA HA HA!!  Wouldn't be without it now.

Similar occurrence with TealAgent.  Browses web . . . download . . .
create folio . . . . Hmmm . . . er, well, maybe later.

Just purchased it.  Good grief how can anyone get through a DAY
WITHOUT THIS THING???!!  What cave have I been hiding in . . .
Instant TealInfo Folio for every movie theatre and showing within 10
miles . . . TealDoc listing of restaurants for ANY ZIP CODE I want,
wherever I may be headed . . . CNN News WITH LINKS??!!  Just great.
We can all have wish lists but the bottom line is use what you've got
and get the most out of it -- TealAgent has been, at least for me,
the "forgotten thoroughbred" of having a Palm and being on the web.
The time saved copying text to notepad to construct a TealDoc pdb was
not wasted . . . but this is WAYYYYY BETTER.  Just great . . . now
I'm having second thoughts about that database I made myself in
MobileDB for restaurants . . . when a TealMeal DBase could be
instantly generated for any city/zip anywhere -- and others available
on Palm Freeware.com!!  Methinks that TealMeal shall be the next
purchase!!

These are belated congratulations to Tealpoint -- but TealAgent is
just fantastic!  God knows why I didn't get this thing a year ago.

Take care all/Paul

I tried TealDoc 6 Alpha 06 and it's only missing two things to be
everything I really need in a doc reader:
    1) Keep the place in each document when I switch to a
       different app then switch back.
    2) Copy words from a document to the clipboard.

There are lots of possible new features.  Here's a random list.

Dictionary Integration.  Palm Reader has this, but only with their
own dictionaries.  It would be useful to have something that would
easily copy a word or phrase to the clipboard, then launch an app
set in a preference dialog.

Plucker format.  Sure Plucker already displays Plucker format, but
it doesn't support the Tungsten T3 full screen mode, and even when
it does, it would be nice to have a single user interface for as
much reading and browsing as possible.  Plucker is open source, so
the file format is open.  The nice thing is that there's already
desktop software for Linux, Mac OS X, OS/2, and Windows, so you
don't have to deal with that.

PDF.  I tried Adobe Reader for Palm OS, version 3.05.  Not only
does it not support the Tungsten T3 full screen mode, I could never
even get it to scroll without skipping lines.  Direct display of
PDF, without a desktop conversion program, would be a big win.
Processors are getting faster and flash memory is getting cheaper,
so even if this isn't quite feasible today, it will be soon.

Text to speech.  I tried SpeakMemo (http://www.mapopolis.com/pspeak.zip),
which reads a memo.  It's not quite there yet, but seems close.
One more doubling of CPU power should do it.

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, "tztwh" <tztwh@s...> wrote:
> I tried TealDoc 6 Alpha 06 and it's only missing two things to be
> everything I really need in a doc reader:
>    1) Keep the place in each document when I switch to a
>       different app then switch back.

This hasn't be put in yet but definitely will soon.

>    2) Copy words from a document to the clipboard.

This too.  Actually, an earlier alpha had it, but we'll be writing
our own code that allows it to work in rotated modes too.  The idea
is that if you tap and don't move the screen will scroll, but if you
move while you tap the text will select.  It'll work a bit like
the "write anywhere" feature in TealScript.

> Dictionary Integration.  Palm Reader has this, but only with their
> own dictionaries.  It would be useful to have something that would
> easily copy a word or phrase to the clipboard, then launch an app
> set in a preference dialog.

We got some requests from other Dictionary makers for this.  We'll
try to support whichever ones we can get info and or help for.
Remind us when we get closer, and forward any links to specific
developer docs that might help at that time.

> Plucker format.

Not familiar with plucher format yet.  Gotta check it out.  The new
codebase is being written to accept different compression types, so
maybe this is possible.

> PDF.  I tried Adobe Reader for Palm OS, version 3.05.  Not only...

We looked into this at one point, at least for a desktop converter.
One issue is that most PDF files use the same compression as GIF
files, and that UNISYS is extorting huge license fees if you write a
program (even shareware or freeware) that decompresses a GIF or
PDF.  The patent expires this year nationwide, I believe.  Besides
that, I'm not sure how difficult it would be to support a format
that is primarily page-based rather than text-stream based.  I seem
to recall that the order in which raw text appears in a PDF is not
always clear.  That is, you can extract all the text blocks in a
PDF, but not all PDF files have info which tells you what the main
body text of each page is and how they link together.

> Text to speech.  I tried SpeakMemo
(http://www.mapopolis.com/pspeak.zip),
> which reads a memo.  It's not quite there yet, but seems close.
> One more doubling of CPU power should do it.

Very cool.  An old 7Mhz Amiga or 8Mhz Mac used to be able to do
this, so I don't know why a Palm cannot.  This would be a real
departure and a lot to learn, but I like the idea.  A separate app
with plug-in capability perhaps?

BTW, we're back from PalmSource, so TealDoc development is
continuing.  Display of TealDoc tags is now mostly working (but may
not be posted on the Beta page yet).  Next we have to make them
clickable.  We plan to reimplement all the functionality of the
previous version before doing much on new features.

thanks,

-t

Excuse me my terrible English, but is there chance for further
development of your product TealNote? I mean conversion for PalmOS 5
and HiRes support. By me it would be very succesfull product...
Thanks

IM

--- In tealtalk@yahoogroups.com, masterimmobile <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> Excuse me my terrible English, but is there chance for further
> development of your product TealNote? I mean conversion for PalmOS
5
> and HiRes support. By me it would be very succesfull product...

Unfortunately, the system trapping mechanisms needed to implement
TealNotes were removed by Palm when they released PalmOS 5.  (Thanks
Palm!).  While the program will continue to run on OS4 and OS3
devices, like many other useful hack-style programs, it cannot be
made to work under OS5 or future PalmOS versions.  TealMaster uses
PalmOS 5 notifications to simulate traps needed by many hacks, but
TealNotes needs more aggressive traps which don't have corresponding
notifications in the new OS.  ;(

Hi Tex...OK here goes:

Ideas "borrowed" from DrawIt, Leonardo & Animation (new)

1. Gradient feature...polygons & other shapes that go from one
color to another in linear or circular manner.

2. Custom pattern creator/editor to expand on presets.

3. Quantized line tool; similar to freehand pen, but will only draw
horizonal, vertical, and 45 degree angle lines.  Must be able to
use all the existing "nibs."

4. Mini Photoshop feature set: soften, sharpen, emboss,
smudge.

5. Enhanced text tool: free rotation, font selector, reverse, point
size, bold/italic.

6. Kaleidoscope feature with variable axis; mirror image left/right,
up/down, 4x, 8x....all using all existing "nibs."

7. Vector tools: move to front, send to rear, overlap transparency.

8. DESKTOP CONDUIT for PC & Mac, depositing existing
drawings (when selected) to computer's desktop.

Whew!

> 1. Gradient feature...polygons & other shapes that go from one
> color to another in linear or circular manner....
> 4. Mini Photoshop feature set: soften, sharpen, emboss,
> smudge.

TealPaint 6 was architected with stuff like this in mind.  All the
drawing tools draw to a common one-bit buffer which is
then "applied" to the drawing surface, allowing the possibility of
adding effects to all tools in one code location.  This could
include gradients, transparency, blur, dodge, and more.

> 2. Custom pattern creator/editor to expand on presets.

A strong possibility, along with custom brushes.

> 3. Quantized line tool; similar to freehand pen, but will only
draw
> horizonal, vertical, and 45 degree angle lines.  Must be able to
> use all the existing "nibs."

Need to see this to see how it's done,  I assume there is some sort
of maximum distance that has to be set in the algorithm.  What do
you use this for anyway?

> 5. Enhanced text tool: free rotation, font selector, reverse,
point
> size, bold/italic.

Not sure about this one.  PalmOS 5 only supports a fixed set of 4
bitmap fonts with no tools or effects.  Fontbucket is a third-party
tool which lets you import additional bitmap fonts.  We may add
support for that.  OS6 supports expandable outline fonts, but Palm
won't let an OS5-compatible app access new features like this,
requiring a OS6-native app only for this.  Lame!

> 6. Kaleidoscope feature with variable axis; mirror image
left/right,
> up/down, 4x, 8x....all using all existing "nibs."

Interesting.

> 7. Vector tools: move to front, send to rear, overlap transparency.

A whole new ball of wax, and almost a whole new program.  Sounds
cool, but I wouldn't expect this in the short term.

> 8. DESKTOP CONDUIT for PC & Mac, depositing existing
> drawings (when selected) to computer's desktop.

We're trying to get away from the conduit thing and put more direct
exporting features into the program itself to export to SD/MS/CF
card.  A separate conduit is a whole separate program to create,
debug, and maintain, and would take away from development of the
drawing program itself.  Besides, we don't know the first thing
about Mac development.

We were thinking about adding direct jpeg import/export too (if
there is demand for it), but this would probably be in a
new "tealpaint professional" product, as it would make the program
much larger and we'd have to license a 68k jpeg library from
somebody to get it done.

> Whew!

Whew!