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Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]   Message List  
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> The most highly qualified interpreters SHOULD be the language role
> models for Deaf children.

I'm one of those old-fashioned types who thinks a whole community of
native signers SHOULD be the language models. The extent to which a
single interpreter -- however kick-butt she is -- is *the* model is the
extent to which the system is out of whack. If all a hearing kid had
(in anything other than extreme circumstances, like shipwreck) was
access to a single language model, we'd see that for the abuse that it
is. And I'm including in that situations where there is no nearby
community to speak of. And no, I don't have any feasible ideas for a
fix. Any takers?

> And of course, the thoughts being expressed in this thread seem to
> support the concept that if all interpreters went out and got their
> Bachelors Degrees, then they would be paid as well as teachers (which
> still sucks by the way)

No question. All we ask for is the ability to be looked down upon not
as paraprofessionals, but as true professionals. :-)

> Passing anatomy does not make you a doctor.

I knew someone was going to bring up the medical analogy. Would that we
deserved it.

Well, perhaps medicine before the 19th century is a more apt
comparison. Doctors back then were paid comparatively little, and as a
rule, didn't know much more than the patients did. This changed,
slowly, with the invention of instrumentation like the stethoscope
(during the Napoleonic wars... so sue me), X-rays, etc etc. As the
knowledge needed to be a doctor got more complex, pay scales rose.

No, getting an A+ in anatomy (even gross anatomy in med. school)
doesn't make you a doctor. For that matter, passing med. school doesn't
make you much of a doctor. Not does passing your boards. There is a
whole process, which includes extensive hands-on work as an intern and
a resident for a reason. Failing any portion of this sure as hell makes
you NOT a doctor.

And as long as we're at it, if I didn't see all the right pieces of
paper on my doctor's wall, no amount of...

"But I'm a lifelong learner!"
"But I've been treating people all my life!"
"My parents were both patients, you know!"

.... would persuade me to do anything other than SPRINT, not walk, in
the other direction.

I've worked with PCC graduates as well, and the quality has not been
altogether even. Passing any test on a particular day (including
certification) doesn't speak to much more than the fact that one met
minimal expectations during a particular two-hour segment.

Which brings me back to the whole anecdotal thing. Where's the research
on this issue? I know of one dissertation coming down the pike which
looks specifically at educational interpreters. The question is: what
decreases the odds of getting a dud interpreter? Until we can back that
up with some actual data and analysis, all we're doing is BSing around
the water cooler.

Cheers,

-Dan.


Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:23 pm

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... I'm one of those old-fashioned types who thinks a whole community of native signers SHOULD be the language models. The extent to which a single interpreter...
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Oct 14, 2002
9:38 pm

As always, Dan - WELL SAID - and you are right, particularly on this point: I've worked with PCC graduates as well, and the quality has not been altogether...
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Oct 14, 2002
10:47 pm

No firing darts from here--I agree with you. Here in eastern Iowa, there is little to no monetary incentive to pursue more qualifications. Starting pay in...
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Oct 14, 2002
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The key thing for m here is "the system is out of whack." For otherwise, your argument would not even be necessary isolated community or not. ... -- Those are...
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Oct 15, 2002
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Tammy, Thanks for clarifying that the original comments came from Beth Ann. One more comment from me on all this... Of course, Native signers should be the...
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Oct 15, 2002
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on 10/14/02 3:30 PM, Tammy Fischer at tjfisch@... wrote: The most highly qualified interpreters SHOULD be the language role models for Deaf children. -I...
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Oct 15, 2002
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My post regarding language models for Deaf children was with regard to interpreters in the K-12 setting. Obviously the best language and role models for Deaf...
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Oct 17, 2002
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... Objection, Tammy -- assuming facts not in evidence. :-) The assumption here is that interpreter training programs taken as a whole do a better-than-chance...
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Oct 17, 2002
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Word Dan. Also, if this BA/BS thing is a requirement for certification can we not assume (ooh dangerous) that people going for their certification have some ...
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Oct 17, 2002
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... I am Deaf. Given a choice, I'd prefer a Deaf "native-ASL'er" as a Deaf child's language model any day. Give the cold-blooded fact that more and more "Deaf...
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Oct 17, 2002
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Kudos James! Having been in the trenches and fought with the other Deaf Educators with their choice of sign-styles, I know exactly of what you speak! I'm in...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Dear Dan: Please refer to my tirade on EXIT EXAMS in ITP programs :-) Tammy Tammera J. Fischer, CI & CT; NAD IV Certified Sign Language Interpreter (503)...
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Oct 18, 2002
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... I missed the tirade in question, but in my ITP (BA, Maryville College) we had comprehensive exams and a senior thesis requirement to graduate... what kind...
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Oct 18, 2002
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... Please refer to my response on how little THOSE prove. :-) -Dan....
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Oct 18, 2002
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... I personally thought ours was pretty rigorous at MC, but there are always folks who disagree...it was set up to model the RID test just like Tammy said...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Yes, in order to graduate from my A.A.S. program - actually, in order to be placed into an internship with an actual Deaf consumer, our program required us to...
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Sadly, the laws regarding community college education here in Iowa totally prohibit any sort of exam that weeds people out--you gotta accept everyone who...
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Dan (and others, since much of this is not just to you :-) ): Put on your helmets and Kevlar folks....... With all due respect, I think having an exit exam is...
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The more viable education options we can get, the better...especially those geared DIRECTLY at improving our interpreting work products. I will sign up for ...
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... Then why is there a culture -- including in Oregon -- than one has to "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a...
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I'm already wearing my asbestos undies... ... Let me tell the list about my internship... Maryville College requires 400 hours of internship, and I want to say...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Good points, Tammy. I'm one of those interpreters without a degree. I see the value of being educated. That is why I take a class every semester whether it...
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Oct 18, 2002
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I think this is well stated, James...I get every educational morsel I can find, as well, and think education is important. A degree is only as valuable as the...
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Oct 18, 2002
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thank you, Cherie for being the first person to acknowledge that an A.A.S. degree IS a valid degree - sometimes it is awarded to competent people, and...
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Oct 18, 2002
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... "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a test is occasionally looked upon as arrogant ("Who do you think *you*...
Tammy Fischer
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Oct 18, 2002
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... Is it presumptuous to expect an ITP grad to pass an evaluation at a C- level? That's my point, Tammy: you can't have it both ways. If folks are graduating...
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Oct 18, 2002
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I don't think anyone on the list is dismissing A.A.programs. They are saying standards should be higher to "hopefully" infuse better quality in interpreters....
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Oct 18, 2002
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Open door policy is what they call it. BUT do not surrender yet. check with your own and other departments to see what they are doing in terms of controlling...
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Oct 18, 2002
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This posting is an example of what I am talking about - "A.A. Programs" versus "degree programs." An A.A.S. program IS a DEGREE program. An Associate of...
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