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Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]   Message List  
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Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]

No firing darts from here--I agree with you. Here in
eastern Iowa, there is little to no monetary incentive
to pursue more qualifications. Starting pay in some
towns, especially for school districts is horrifyingly
low--one could work at Wal-Mart or McDonald's for the
same pay...

Carissa D. Huffman, CT
Bettendorf, Iowa
--- Tammy Fischer <tjfisch@...> wrote:
> RE: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP
> Instructors]Actually, I believe it was Beth Ann who
> spoke about the issues regarding spelling and
> English literacy. I agree with her 100%. The
> English competency of some interpreters is pi**
> poor! But Judi's points are also well made
> regarding educational interpreting.
>
> The most highly qualified interpreters SHOULD be the
> language role models for Deaf children. And of
> course, the thoughts being expressed in this thread
> seem to support the concept that if all interpreters
> went out and got their Bachelors Degrees, then they
> would be paid as well as teachers (which still sucks
> by the way), and not looked on as mere aids or
> paraprofessionals, however, time and again, as
> interpreters have gotten certified (at least in the
> Portland Metropolitan area - Oregon), the school
> districts have made NO moves toward increasing pay
> schedules or improving benefits for interpreters who
> attain higher level skills and/or certification or
> degrees.
>
> There is no incentive for interpreters to do so -
> and at $12.50 an hour, who can afford it? YES -
> Interpreters should STILL go on and pursue advanced
> training for the good of the profession and their
> own abilities to do their jobs, however this idea
> that we all go out and get degrees and the
> educational world will suddenly welcome us and pay
> us a bunch more money just doesn't bear out in
> actual practice.
>
> Finally, I can't remember who made the comment that
> many Interpreter Training Programs require passage
> of the RID Written exam in order to graduate from
> their programs, but my response to that is a
> rousing SO WHAT? Again, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN FILL
> OUT PAPERWORK DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN INTERPRET!!! What
> happens when you pick up your hands? Do you have
> Deaf people looking at you like you are signing in
> Swahili? Can you voice interpret? Or are you one of
> those interpreters who when your team interpreter
> arrives you say, "Can you do all the voicing, I
> don't really do that very well?" Passing anatomy
> does not make you a doctor.
>
> Here ends my tirade - I have ceased to don
> protective armor - take your best shots!! :-)
>
> Tammera J. Fischer, CI & CT; NAD IV
> Certified Sign Language Interpreter
> (503) 267-4861 (V)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drew, Alysa
> To: TERPS-L@...
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was:
> Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]
>
>
> I'm afraid I have to agree with you, Judi. I have
> tried to put it off to poor typing skills, rather
> than poor English skills, but the fact is, we're
> language people. We should have an excellent command
> of both languages in which we work. The occasional
> error is understandable - a typo - I do it all the
> time, but appropriate grammar is important.
>
> However, one of the problems may be the
> informality of email. Some people don't see it as a
> necessary thing to write well and accurately,
> assuming we'll just understand. However, I, too, am
> often distracted, and tend to just delete the posts
> without reading them fully. It's frustrating, and I
> guess I'm an education snob or something, but I'd
> rather read something that's well written.
>
> Soapbox tucked safely back in closet...I am yours,
> critically,
>
> Alysa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judi Webb [mailto:utuqu@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:34 PM
> To: TERPS-L@...
> Subject: Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was:
> Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]
>
> Beth Ann wrote:
> >To interpret effectively, we need fluency in
> both
> languages. I am shocked when I read postings by
> interpreters who can't spell "interpreter".
> I am dismayed when I see postings by k-12
> interpreters
> and I can't follow their logic
> because I am distracted by poor spelling and
> language
> use. And I ache for the deaf students who are
> forced
> to do extra work to mentally translate what these
> interpreters are trying to convey.<
>
> I am an RID Certified interpreter, and have been
> since
> 1986. I attended a 1 year certificate program,
> plus I
> have four years of college, much of it relating to
>
> bilingual education.
>
> I was a staff interpreter at a college for 3
> years,
> then took a job at an elementary school. Imagine
> my
> surprise when people questioned why I, a certified
>
> interpreter, was 'lowering' myself to do public
> school
> work with kids!
>
> By the way, that was probably the best, most fun,
> challenging job I ever had!
>
> Judi Webb
>
>
>
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Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:48 pm

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As always, Dan - WELL SAID - and you are right, particularly on this point: I've worked with PCC graduates as well, and the quality has not been altogether...
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No firing darts from here--I agree with you. Here in eastern Iowa, there is little to no monetary incentive to pursue more qualifications. Starting pay in...
Carissa Huffman
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Oct 14, 2002
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The key thing for m here is "the system is out of whack." For otherwise, your argument would not even be necessary isolated community or not. ... -- Those are...
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Oct 15, 2002
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Tammy, Thanks for clarifying that the original comments came from Beth Ann. One more comment from me on all this... Of course, Native signers should be the...
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on 10/14/02 3:30 PM, Tammy Fischer at tjfisch@... wrote: The most highly qualified interpreters SHOULD be the language role models for Deaf children. -I...
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My post regarding language models for Deaf children was with regard to interpreters in the K-12 setting. Obviously the best language and role models for Deaf...
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Oct 17, 2002
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... Objection, Tammy -- assuming facts not in evidence. :-) The assumption here is that interpreter training programs taken as a whole do a better-than-chance...
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Oct 17, 2002
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Word Dan. Also, if this BA/BS thing is a requirement for certification can we not assume (ooh dangerous) that people going for their certification have some ...
terperto
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Oct 17, 2002
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... I am Deaf. Given a choice, I'd prefer a Deaf "native-ASL'er" as a Deaf child's language model any day. Give the cold-blooded fact that more and more "Deaf...
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Kudos James! Having been in the trenches and fought with the other Deaf Educators with their choice of sign-styles, I know exactly of what you speak! I'm in...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Dear Dan: Please refer to my tirade on EXIT EXAMS in ITP programs :-) Tammy Tammera J. Fischer, CI & CT; NAD IV Certified Sign Language Interpreter (503)...
Tammy Fischer
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Oct 18, 2002
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... I missed the tirade in question, but in my ITP (BA, Maryville College) we had comprehensive exams and a senior thesis requirement to graduate... what kind...
Nancy A. Lassiter
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Oct 18, 2002
2:12 am

... Please refer to my response on how little THOSE prove. :-) -Dan....
Dan Parvaz
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Oct 18, 2002
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... I personally thought ours was pretty rigorous at MC, but there are always folks who disagree...it was set up to model the RID test just like Tammy said...
Nancy A. Lassiter
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Oct 18, 2002
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Yes, in order to graduate from my A.A.S. program - actually, in order to be placed into an internship with an actual Deaf consumer, our program required us to...
Tammy Fischer
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Oct 18, 2002
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Sadly, the laws regarding community college education here in Iowa totally prohibit any sort of exam that weeds people out--you gotta accept everyone who...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Dan (and others, since much of this is not just to you :-) ): Put on your helmets and Kevlar folks....... With all due respect, I think having an exit exam is...
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Oct 18, 2002
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The more viable education options we can get, the better...especially those geared DIRECTLY at improving our interpreting work products. I will sign up for ...
Carissa Huffman
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Oct 18, 2002
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... Then why is there a culture -- including in Oregon -- than one has to "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a...
Dan Parvaz
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Oct 18, 2002
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I'm already wearing my asbestos undies... ... Let me tell the list about my internship... Maryville College requires 400 hours of internship, and I want to say...
Nancy A. Lassiter
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Oct 18, 2002
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Good points, Tammy. I'm one of those interpreters without a degree. I see the value of being educated. That is why I take a class every semester whether it...
James Bell
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Oct 18, 2002
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I think this is well stated, James...I get every educational morsel I can find, as well, and think education is important. A degree is only as valuable as the...
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Oct 18, 2002
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thank you, Cherie for being the first person to acknowledge that an A.A.S. degree IS a valid degree - sometimes it is awarded to competent people, and...
terperto
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Oct 18, 2002
5:08 pm

... "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a test is occasionally looked upon as arrogant ("Who do you think *you*...
Tammy Fischer
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Oct 18, 2002
5:20 am

... Is it presumptuous to expect an ITP grad to pass an evaluation at a C- level? That's my point, Tammy: you can't have it both ways. If folks are graduating...
Dan Parvaz
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Oct 18, 2002
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I don't think anyone on the list is dismissing A.A.programs. They are saying standards should be higher to "hopefully" infuse better quality in interpreters....
jrwomack
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Oct 18, 2002
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Open door policy is what they call it. BUT do not surrender yet. check with your own and other departments to see what they are doing in terms of controlling...
jrwomack
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Oct 18, 2002
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This posting is an example of what I am talking about - "A.A. Programs" versus "degree programs." An A.A.S. program IS a DEGREE program. An Associate of...
Tammera Fischer
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Oct 19, 2002
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... Ok if you insist. Many programs I see refer to the A.A. as a certificate. But that i not the issue, the issue is increasing interpreter education, ...
jrwomack
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Oct 19, 2002
2:58 pm

It's also confusing when schools with AA programs (60ish credits) also offer a certificate option (20-something credits). Only one BA program that I know of...
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Oct 19, 2002
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