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Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]   Message List  
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Re: Non-Degreed Interpreters [was: Non-Degreed ITP Instructors]

> I stand by my comments that a person with some other degree BA/BS
> (Modern Dance) but no
> interpreter training is still not going to make that person a better
> interpreter than a person with an AAS degree in INTERPRETING and no
> BA/BS degree.

Objection, Tammy -- assuming facts not in evidence. :-)

The assumption here is that interpreter training programs taken as a
whole do a better-than-chance job of preparing interpreters. There are
individual programs which do rather well, but is there any work
(perhaps by someone in CIT?) which points to the efficacy of
interpreter education in general?

Put another way: is there consensus on what skills/knowledge/attributes
need to be instilled in potential interpreters, and is there a good
consistent method of instilling them?

Just for grins, I thought I'd go to look at the BA in dance offered at
my institution (University of New Mexico):
http://finearts.unm.edu/academic/degrees/dance_degrees/danceba.htm

It includes a core curriculum well beyond what is required at any AAS
program, and courses in the major which any interpreter would benefit
from: Voice for Actors, Kinesiology, Movement Analysis, Pedagogy, to
say nothing of elective hours from pretty much any field. And not for
nothing, but they'd actually be well-versed in at least one field (and
just might make for a kick-butt performing arts interpreter!).

But wait? Can they sign? And I say again... can ITP graduates? Sad
experience dictates that language is the single weakest area in the
field generally, and with ITP grads particularly. As one of the faculty
here is fond of saying, interpreters who are weak at sign-to-voice only
*think* they are better at voice-to-sign. When one voices, one can hear
all the mistakes, and one's English instincts are well-honed enough to
make one wince. An interpreter with weak language skills make not have
the linguistic maturity to realize that what they are producing is sign
salad.

-Dan.



Thu Oct 17, 2002 3:01 am

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My post regarding language models for Deaf children was with regard to interpreters in the K-12 setting. Obviously the best language and role models for Deaf...
Tammy Fischer
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Oct 17, 2002
2:08 am

... Objection, Tammy -- assuming facts not in evidence. :-) The assumption here is that interpreter training programs taken as a whole do a better-than-chance...
Dan Parvaz
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Oct 17, 2002
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Word Dan. Also, if this BA/BS thing is a requirement for certification can we not assume (ooh dangerous) that people going for their certification have some ...
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Oct 17, 2002
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... I am Deaf. Given a choice, I'd prefer a Deaf "native-ASL'er" as a Deaf child's language model any day. Give the cold-blooded fact that more and more "Deaf...
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Oct 17, 2002
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Kudos James! Having been in the trenches and fought with the other Deaf Educators with their choice of sign-styles, I know exactly of what you speak! I'm in...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Dear Dan: Please refer to my tirade on EXIT EXAMS in ITP programs :-) Tammy Tammera J. Fischer, CI & CT; NAD IV Certified Sign Language Interpreter (503)...
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... I missed the tirade in question, but in my ITP (BA, Maryville College) we had comprehensive exams and a senior thesis requirement to graduate... what kind...
Nancy A. Lassiter
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Oct 18, 2002
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... Please refer to my response on how little THOSE prove. :-) -Dan....
Dan Parvaz
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Oct 18, 2002
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... I personally thought ours was pretty rigorous at MC, but there are always folks who disagree...it was set up to model the RID test just like Tammy said...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Yes, in order to graduate from my A.A.S. program - actually, in order to be placed into an internship with an actual Deaf consumer, our program required us to...
Tammy Fischer
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Sadly, the laws regarding community college education here in Iowa totally prohibit any sort of exam that weeds people out--you gotta accept everyone who...
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Dan (and others, since much of this is not just to you :-) ): Put on your helmets and Kevlar folks....... With all due respect, I think having an exit exam is...
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The more viable education options we can get, the better...especially those geared DIRECTLY at improving our interpreting work products. I will sign up for ...
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... Then why is there a culture -- including in Oregon -- than one has to "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a...
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I'm already wearing my asbestos undies... ... Let me tell the list about my internship... Maryville College requires 400 hours of internship, and I want to say...
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Oct 18, 2002
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Good points, Tammy. I'm one of those interpreters without a degree. I see the value of being educated. That is why I take a class every semester whether it...
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I think this is well stated, James...I get every educational morsel I can find, as well, and think education is important. A degree is only as valuable as the...
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thank you, Cherie for being the first person to acknowledge that an A.A.S. degree IS a valid degree - sometimes it is awarded to competent people, and...
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... "work one's" way up to taking the RID? Simply walking out of a program and taking a test is occasionally looked upon as arrogant ("Who do you think *you*...
Tammy Fischer
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... Is it presumptuous to expect an ITP grad to pass an evaluation at a C- level? That's my point, Tammy: you can't have it both ways. If folks are graduating...
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I don't think anyone on the list is dismissing A.A.programs. They are saying standards should be higher to "hopefully" infuse better quality in interpreters....
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Open door policy is what they call it. BUT do not surrender yet. check with your own and other departments to see what they are doing in terms of controlling...
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This posting is an example of what I am talking about - "A.A. Programs" versus "degree programs." An A.A.S. program IS a DEGREE program. An Associate of...
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Oct 19, 2002
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... Ok if you insist. Many programs I see refer to the A.A. as a certificate. But that i not the issue, the issue is increasing interpreter education, ...
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It's also confusing when schools with AA programs (60ish credits) also offer a certificate option (20-something credits). Only one BA program that I know of...
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Another alternative is to go back to what RID had before - IC/TC (lowest) CSC (middle) and MCSC (higher still). Too many people think that CI/CT is the be all...
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Nice, certified terps doing all that they can are "yahoos". Great, to know we're all out there supporting each other. Always nice to see people pumping...
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Oct 19, 2002
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Alrighty guys...two words of advice: Chill Out! I don't think Denise's point was to put down recently certified interpreters, although I do question the...
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Dear James: I have been a member of RID for 12 years. Never ONCE have I been given a chance to vote on the passage rate for the RID evaluations. So blaming...
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Dear Chris: You have said what I have been trying to say for weeks. I will now be done. Tammy ... Tammera J. Fischer, CI & CT; NAD IV Certified Sign Language...
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