... Whoa, whoa. Back up a bit. CS is closer to Morse code than it is to spoken English. There's a distinction between a bona-fide language and a code. Cued...
Adrean Clark
ms.clark@...
Jan 1, 2005 9:24 am
28008
... I was hoping someone would figure out what I knew in my gut but couldn't quite explain. Thanks. ... Adrean Clark wrote: There is also cued language(s),...
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 1, 2005 2:08 pm
28009
I've never even played a linguist on TV, but I would imagine Cued Speech is no more a language than is Morse code. It is a way to represent English. I know...
David Bar-Tzur
dbartzur@...
Jan 1, 2005 4:46 pm
28010
... Interesting. ... That's what codes do, they represent but are not the actual language. Writing is an example of a code but it is not the actual language. ...
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 1, 2005 10:18 pm
28011
There is a difference between spoken and written English for the precise reason that the changing modes (signed, spoken, written, cued, whatever) does have...
dparvaz@...
Jan 1, 2005 11:53 pm
28012
Whoo! I've been away from terps=l for a while, will have to read archives to catch how this started. To answer your question, it's the opinion of some of us...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 2, 2005 3:59 pm
28013
I have some linguistic training, and a whole lotta CS experience. CS was intended to be a tool, not a language, and has never been represented as a language....
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 2, 2005 4:16 pm
28014
You ask a really interesting question, with a great example! If the person says "sumburn", as so many do, but cues "sunburn", the "m" mouth shows up with the...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 2, 2005 4:26 pm
28015
One last note and then I am done - I realized after a cup of coffee that the example is a phonemic-level example. /m/ vs /n/ - though they are distinguished by...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 2, 2005 6:20 pm
28016
Just to make sure I understand... because even though [m] is an underlying /n/, which has changed place of articulation due to the following bilabial /b/ (lots...
dparvaz@...
Jan 2, 2005 7:05 pm
28017
Hello, Everyone, I'm a student interpreter here in New York City and am (briefly ;-)) coming out of lurker mode to pass along some information from another...
Bram Weiser
bramweiser@...
Jan 2, 2005 10:46 pm
28018
... True of all alternatives to ASL. ... Problem is, there have been and are people from your corner who refer to it as a language. ... Finally, I see an...
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 3, 2005 11:50 am
28019
... to ... You bring up a really sore point for cuers. Dr. C (the inventor) resisted the urge to use "language" in the name for this very reason, and called it...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 3, 2005 5:54 pm
28020
Yep, and that's why you can't clearly say "it's just phonemic", although it's mostly so. At some level, phonetics underlies phonemic judgments, and so there...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 3, 2005 6:12 pm
28021
... on ... I can see that happening ;) People are so defensive! Remember, though, that CS is hybrid between the modalities, in a sense. Please don't quote me...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 3, 2005 6:17 pm
28022
... Even though "cued languages" might be shorthand for "Cued Speech for various spoken languages," "phonemic languages" makes my hair stand on end. It sounds...
Dan Parvaz
dparvaz@...
Jan 3, 2005 6:25 pm
28023
I don't think it's prescriptivist to point out what difficulties this terminology raises. I agree with you, and while I don't speak for Pam, it's entirely...
Carolyn Ostrander
clostran@...
Jan 3, 2005 9:32 pm
28024
The year 2005 has been designated as The Year of Languages in the US: http://yearoflanguages.org Warmly, David Bar-Tzur, CI & CT Community interpreter Please...
David Bar-Tzur
dbartzur@...
Jan 4, 2005 2:36 am
28025
... Has anyone been able to find materials on signed languages on the site? I must be missing it... -Dan. To unsubscribe: send mail to...
dparvaz@...
Jan 4, 2005 3:36 am
28026
Nope, I don't think it's there. I think The American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages (ACTFL) deals only with spoken languages. ... From:...
Barbara Snyder
asl@...
Jan 4, 2005 4:43 am
28027
In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:43:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, asl@... writes: Nope, I don't think it's there. I think The American Council on the ...
TeachASLInfo@...
Jan 4, 2005 4:49 am
28028
I'm looking to save myself some time :) ... does anyone have glosses for any of Valli's ASL Poetry (or the ABC Stories)? Alysse :) Alysse Rasmussen TeachASL...
TeachASLInfo@...
Jan 4, 2005 4:51 am
28029
Oh, my, I have egg on my face! Looking back, I'm not sure why I wrote the redundant "spoken phonemic". I think it was because I wanted to emphasize that using...
Cuedspdisc@...
Jan 4, 2005 4:55 am
28030
... But the kickoff festivities included a speech on the importance of indigenous American languages. And part of the YOL includes studies in English, as well....
dparvaz@...
Jan 4, 2005 5:09 am
28031
... Hey, join the club :-) ... You want to know what's really funny? There's a particularly nasty woman who rants and raves against the Deaf community, ASL,...
dparvaz@...
Jan 4, 2005 12:55 pm
28032
... Now, the above I can buy into. ... They can be turned off by anything they want. It's the accompanying audistic attitudes too many have that's my problem. ...
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 4, 2005 1:07 pm
28033
It's been very educational watching your and Dan's exchanges. Thanks for expanding my understanding in the CS areas....
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 4, 2005 1:12 pm
28034
Study groups are a great idea for the written test. The old-fashioned, off-line kind works great, too. We met at my place, brought some snacks, and went over...
dparvaz@...
Jan 4, 2005 1:12 pm
28035
... Seems to be. Will explore it later when not distracted. Thanks. ... Ok. So currently it's just rumor. Hope to see the facts later....
James Womack
jrwomack@...
Jan 4, 2005 1:14 pm
28036
... Just when my gut tells me something I can't quite explain, you have the exact words for my gut is saying. So are you telepathic, Dan? Dan Parvaz wrote: ...
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