Hmm, doesn't seem to work with my version (0.05.0022).  It ignores the
second (lower) layer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nightingale [mailto:mnight@...]
Sent: 15 June 1998 20:28
To: terragen@onelist.com
Subject: [terragen] Re: The "dark spots" in Terragen Renders

  << File: Highsun.bmp >> << File: Highsun.jpg >> Try this Simon,
Position your camera at 100 alt (z).
Go to Cloudscape, create a cloud layer, change area to something like
8090.
Now ADD another layer (I know that it say's that the renderer won't
support
this - I think Matt means that layer transparency isn't supported).
Change the Altitude setting for (NEW LAYER 1) to about 50.
Put the sun where you want it and render away.
Watch out for those render times though, this image took 1 minute and 30
seconds!
(What a brilliant program!)
Mike

-----Original Message-----


>From: SIMON TURVEY <sturvey@...>
>
>
>Frustrating I know but at least that has an easy workaround.
>
>I was playing with it this morning and I wanted to see if I might be
>able to render a scene above the cloud layer - a sort of sunset in an
>aircraft type thing.  Unfortunately the cloud layer seems to disappear
>when you try and view it from the wrong direction.

Sorry everyone,
I realised that the .bmp file was a little large so I jpg'ed it, but I
forgot to remove the .bmp before sending. Sorry for your phone bill!
Mike

Try this Simon,
Position your camera at 100 alt (z).
Go to Cloudscape, create a cloud layer, change area to something like 8090.
Now ADD another layer (I know that it say's that the renderer won't support
this - I think Matt means that layer transparency isn't supported).
Change the Altitude setting for (NEW LAYER 1) to about 50.
Put the sun where you want it and render away.
Watch out for those render times though, this image took 1 minute and 30
seconds!
(What a brilliant program!)
Mike

-----Original Message-----


>From: SIMON TURVEY <sturvey@...>
>
>
>Frustrating I know but at least that has an easy workaround.
>
>I was playing with it this morning and I wanted to see if I might be
>able to render a scene above the cloud layer - a sort of sunset in an
>aircraft type thing.  Unfortunately the cloud layer seems to disappear
>when you try and view it from the wrong direction.

Go here,
just found it...

  http://www.fjetland.com/digitalarts/news.html

I knew about answering three times ;-)

The #9er also happens when gernerating the terrain when the background is
beeing redrawn. Sometimes it even happens after generating the terrain very
often.

Once, TG generated the #9, so I closed it. After trying re-opening it, it
instantly gerneratet a #6 ? Only happened once.

Rainer.

PS : Please send your benchmarks to me and please vote for the hitlist
pics...
the last (and first) winner is Jehan Bing with Sunset3 (3 votes <- donīt
laugh about it !!!)

Frustrating I know but at least that has an easy workaround.

I was playing with it this morning and I wanted to see if I might be
able to render a scene above the cloud layer - a sort of sunset in an
aircraft type thing.  Unfortunately the cloud layer seems to disappear
when
you try and view it from the wrong direction.

-----Original Message-----
From: jgcm100@... [mailto:jgcm100@...]
Sent: 15 June 1998 13:38
To: terragen@onelist.com
Subject: [terragen] Re: The "dark spots" in Terragen Renders

From: jgcm100@...

>I've been having a recurring problem, and sometimes I'm able to get
>around it, other times not; when the sky renders, it always leaves the
>bottom half of the image area black, for the terrain. However,
>sometimes, even after the terrain has rendered, there is still a little
>sliver of black left uncovered on either side of the image, right where
>the ground should meet the sky. I have tried changing my camera
>position, and sometimes this works, but not always. Is there a better
>way of preventing this problem? I'm losing a lot of otherwise good
>images to this "bug".

It's simply that the horizon is being shown - I know it's annoying but
it
can be fixed by increasing the size of the cloud layer ("Covers Area x
units") to 6000 or something - at least until the black disappears.

John.

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Hi !

here some comments about the 0.5.22 version of Terragen :

I had some errors with :

### Subscript out the range error 9
- When one draws outside the zone dedicated to the edition of the land.
- When modify terrain with glaciate
- When render

### Don't display all colors :
- In surface map

### The last button (6 = last rendered image) does not display ( I have
th Win 98 beta version)



		 luc
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  _______________________________________________

    Luc Bianco
    http://www.mygale.org/00/bianco
    Laboratoire I3S. IUT de Nice
    41 Bd Napoleon III. 06041 Nice Cedex. FRANCE
________________________________________________

>I've been having a recurring problem, and sometimes I'm able to get
>around it, other times not; when the sky renders, it always leaves the
>bottom half of the image area black, for the terrain. However,
>sometimes, even after the terrain has rendered, there is still a little
>sliver of black left uncovered on either side of the image, right where
>the ground should meet the sky. I have tried changing my camera
>position, and sometimes this works, but not always. Is there a better
>way of preventing this problem? I'm losing a lot of otherwise good
>images to this "bug".

It's simply that the horizon is being shown - I know it's annoying but it
can be fixed by increasing the size of the cloud layer ("Covers Area x
units") to 6000 or something - at least until the black disappears.

John.

--
John McLusky - jgcm100@...
Creation - amateur creative writing: http://stjarna.home.ml.org

I'd try to explain, but I'm afraid your head would explode.

Hi Gary !


We already had this question discussed (well, not discussed. Someone asked
and three answered), but since you are new (welcome again), here is one
solution...

The sky is rendered as a part of a sphere surrounding the terrain. If this
part is too small, these dark holes are left by the renderer (v0.4b used
different colours than black, so tha sometimes you couldnīt even see this
fault).
There are three ways to stop the renderer doing this.

1. Use different camera settings (as you tried it)
This is not a good methode.
2. lower the height of the cloud layer. Standard is 128, try setting to 90
or even lower.   This is not a good methode.
3. increase the "covered area". Standard is 4096, try setting it up by steps
of 1000.
This is a good methode.

combining meth. 2+3 is also good for finetuning.

Hope I could help (i think there will be two others again answering this
question, but thats what the list is for :-)

Ciao, Rainer

I've been having a recurring problem, and sometimes I'm able to get
around it, other times not; when the sky renders, it always leaves the
bottom half of the image area black, for the terrain. However,
sometimes, even after the terrain has rendered, there is still a little
sliver of black left uncovered on either side of the image, right where
the ground should meet the sky. I have tried changing my camera
position, and sometimes this works, but not always. Is there a better
way of preventing this problem? I'm losing a lot of otherwise good
images to this "bug".

Gary Rea
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/2158/terragen.html

Thanks, Rainer; I've already attempted to change my subscription to the
Digest mode, but when I clicked the link to do so, it remained on the
same page and did nothing. What can I do; try it again?

Gary

the.Dodger@... wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at
> www.onelist.com, and select the User Info link from the menu bar
> on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription
> between digest and normal mode.
>
> Thanks,
> Rainer

Brennan,

The counter script just logs the visits and returns a 1x1 image (I should
know - I wrote the script, and then Matt customized it for his own needs) -
it's not supposed to return text.  The York web server doesn't allow .shtml
to act any different from normal .html, it's a shame because I would have
been able to make use of it...  Apparently the web server here will be
updated this summer so maybe it'll work...

John.


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Creation - amateur creative writing: http://stjarna.home.ml.org

I'd try to explain, but I'm afraid your head would explode.
-----Original Message-----
     From: brennan@... <brennan@...>
     To: terragen@onelist.com <terragen@onelist.com>
     Date: 08 June 1998 00:56
     Subject: [terragen] Counter on Main Terragen Page


     Hey Matt,
     In the source of your page I noticed that you have a counter CGI command
but it never appears on your page. Well as a web designer I needed to learn
all this stuff, and make your terragen page index.shtml instead of
index.html. Cause the S in it means Server Side Hyper Text Markup Language.
So change the format to shtml and it should show the counter. You won't need
to change any links unless you link it specificly to
http://www.york.ac.uk/~mpf103/terragen/index.html anywhere, i noticed its
linked to http://www.york.ac.uk/~mpf103/terragen/ which is good. Bye now,
and good like on terragen!
     Brennan
     P.S. I was thinking about some cool things you could add to terragen
later on if you would like to know what i thought, then email me back.


     --
     ************************
     Brennan Dunn
     brennan@...
     Brennan Dunn Web Page Design
     http://www.brennanweb.net
     ************************

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I was using a University PC today and I was having trouble accessing the
homepage at the http://planetside.base.org/ address...  In case anyone else
is finding this then you can get to the main page at
http://www.york.ac.uk/~mpf103/ - this should work all the time.

John.

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Creation - amateur creative writing: http://stjarna.home.ml.org

I'd try to explain, but I'm afraid your head would explode.

I just added the Hitlist Page to my HP.
You can start voting for the pics from the 7th of June.
You can also send in or suggest pics for the list till 7th.

Rainer

http://home.t-online.de/home/the.dodger
home.pages.de/~dodger

On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Mike Nightingale wrote:

> Has anyone found the secret of getting dark clouds?
> I got some nice storm clouds once but I've been unable to duplicate them. I
think that it's something to do with the angle of the sun?

Three ways:

1) Make the clouds thicker (increase density)
2) Increase the darkening effect
3) Change the haze colour to something darker (the cloud colour is the
same as the haze)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matt Fairclough <mpf103@...>
Planetside - http://planetside.base.org
Home of Terragen, the scenery generator
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Brennan Dunn wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> sometimes when i render a image little white pixels appear randomly in the
> picture during rendering. I think it is because I am doing other stuff during
> rendering, is that true? and is there a solution?

Sorry, but it's a bug. Entirely my fault, not yours. (Assuming you're
talking about what I think you are, that is!)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matt Fairclough <mpf103@...>
Planetside - http://planetside.base.org
Home of Terragen, the scenery generator
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Haven't had this problem, but it sounds like video driver to me. Have you
got the latest driver for your card?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Brennan Dunn <brennan@...>
To: terragen@onelist.com <terragen@onelist.com>
Date: 03 June 1998 12:24
Subject: [terragen] Another Problem


>Hi Guys,
>sometimes when i render a image little white pixels appear randomly in the
>picture during rendering. I think it is because I am doing other stuff
during
>rendering, is that true? and is there a solution?
>
>
>--
>************************
>Brennan Dunn
>brennan@...
>Brennan Dunn Web Page Design
>http://www.brennanweb.net
>************************
>
>

Hi Guys,
sometimes when i render a image little white pixels appear randomly in the
picture during rendering. I think it is because I am doing other stuff during
rendering, is that true? and is there a solution?


--
************************
Brennan Dunn
brennan@...
Brennan Dunn Web Page Design
http://www.brennanweb.net
************************

Perhaps backlighting the clouds will make them appear darker
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Check out my gallery.  I've devoted an entire section to my Terragen
images.  I would appreciate some feed back on them.  Thanks
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ICQ UIN: 924672
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Brennan Dunn wrote:

> Yea, i got a problem on terragen. Sometimes when I render a image or
something,
> where the sky ends there is black space and it keeps a big black thing at the
> horizon on the image. Is there a way to somehow make the sky strech longer or
> something like that?

     There are several ways. The best is to increase the coverage area of the
clouds
(in the cloudscape dialog on the right). An other way is to change the altitude
of
the clouds (same place). The last way is to modify the map to increase the
altitude
of the landscape to hide the hole in the sky.
     The first one is the better from far.

         Jehan

I had this problem when I first started. The answers can be found in the
Cloudscape window (Not much surprise there) you can either:
     1.. Change the "Covers area" parameter to a greater value.
     2.. Or Lower the "at altitude" parameter of the cloud layer.
I imagine that number two is preferable if, as I suspect, creating bigger Cloud
layers adds significantly to the rendering time.

Has anyone found the secret of getting dark clouds?
I got some nice storm clouds once but I've been unable to duplicate them. I
think that it's something to do with the angle of the sun?

Mike Nightingale

Love that sunset pic!  Great job!

Mike Simmons
isildur@...

At 03:41 PM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Dodger wrote:
>
>> I want to start a sort of "best of Terragen" on my homepage.
>> Everyone who thinks he/she has rendered a good picture and wants
>> it to be rated just sends a link to me (if it isnīt online, mail the pic
to me).
>> Than everybody can watch it and send in a rating from 1 to 10, 10 the best.
>> Everyone gets one vote. The best pics are shown on a hitlist.
>> the pics must be a 400*300 picture.
>
>Hi,
>
>    Good idea, here my contribution. "pic.jpg" is more for the special
effect than
>for the quality of the picture.
>
>        Jehan
>
>Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\sunset3.jpg"
>
>Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\pic.jpg"
>

Yea, i got a problem on terragen. Sometimes when I render a image or something,
where the sky ends there is black space and it keeps a big black thing at the
horizon on the image. Is there a way to somehow make the sky strech longer or
something like that?

************************
Brennan Dunn
brennan@...
Brennan Dunn Web Page Design
http://www.brennanweb.net
************************

Dodger wrote:

> I want to start a sort of "best of Terragen" on my homepage.
> Everyone who thinks he/she has rendered a good picture and wants
> it to be rated just sends a link to me (if it isnīt online, mail the pic to
me).
> Than everybody can watch it and send in a rating from 1 to 10, 10 the best.
> Everyone gets one vote. The best pics are shown on a hitlist.
> the pics must be a 400*300 picture.

Hi,

     Good idea, here my contribution. "pic.jpg" is more for the special effect
than
for the quality of the picture.

         Jehan

Hi !

I want to start a sort of "best of Terragen" on my homepage.
Everyone who thinks he/she has rendered a good picture and wants
it to be rated just sends a link to me (if it isnīt online, mail the pic to me).
Than everybody can watch it and send in a rating from 1 to 10, 10 the best.
Everyone gets one vote. The best pics are shown on a hitlist.
the pics must be a 400*300 picture.


This message is to start the chat on this list. So please, mail something, your
problems,
hints and solutions...

Ciao, Rainer


PS : Sorry for the bad English (got an E at school)

This one is espacially for Mike, a new one on the list

Hi!
Especially when I try to modify the surface color settings, the scrollbars are
going mad.
The bars scroll for themselves, change graphics and donīt work the way they
should.
I wonder if this happens only with my computer or if it happens also on one of
yours.

I also would like to know how fast Terragen is on different processors.
My computer took 1:42 minutes to render the default scene with NO sky,
al rendering settings MAX (cloud+atmosph).
Itīs a P200 MMX with 4MB Matrox Mystique and 64MB of SD-RAM (Win95)

Please test your PC and mail it :-)

Ciao, Rainer