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--- Cal Schindel <calsch@...> wrote:
> I concur. Move away from your mother and sister, and
> if they persist
> in messing with your experiments, file charges.
>
> Forget the ass kicking part. In today's Amerika,
> women get preferential
> treatment.
Guess the problems solved when things are OKAY on
return, where the intervention is solved.
>
> I don't understand the 666 ratio on the coil
> windings; have you
> considered using the golden mean?
The problem is fairly simple/
construct a coil using
SAME/ length of wire
SAME/ inductance
Different/ geometry as given by Height/ diameter,
(H/D) ratio


The ratio of radii on those coils will now be 3
instead of 6 as seen by correction.

This means that for a standard H/d ratio, another coil
~ 3 times the diameter(perhaps pi?) will establish
another identical inductance by wheelers equation to
satisfy the math. That coil will also have equal
spacing between windings to establish the "h"
parameter. That is also determined by the length of
the winding, which is also identical.


What can be derived is a series of shell geometries,
all derived to have indentical inductances. The only
thing that makes the equations particular is the
requirement for both coils to have "EQUAL" spacings
between windings. Thats why one will appear as a
"RING" and the innner coil as an ordinary H/D tesla
type secondary. I have tried this with the inside
shell being a tesla coil, and the outer shell picking
up energy, a convincing demonstration of energy
transfer through space by resonance,. HDN

Intriguing to say the least.
>
> Interesting results the next year with no power.
> Have you created some
> kind of orgone accumulator?
>
> YOurs, Cal
Dont much believe in Orgone stuff/How much ambient
energy could ever provide a household?
Thanx for reply HDN


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I concur. Move away from your mother and sister, and if they persist
in messing with your experiments, file charges.

Forget the ass kicking part. In today's Amerika, women get preferential
treatment.

I don't understand the 666 ratio on the coil windings; have you
considered using the golden mean?

Interesting results the next year with no power. Have you created some
kind of orgone accumulator?

YOurs, Cal

This all sounds very bad. You should consider moving away if that is
economically possible.

Godfrey

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harvey D Norris [SMTP:harvich@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 10:02 PM
> To: teslafy@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [teslafy] Family Impedes Progress.
>
> After attendings Mom.s family reunion in Tennesee, some obstinate
> theivery has been discovered,(again). So mom is throwing obstacles to
> scientific pursuits (again).
>
>
> Her perogative is that you must be a normal person. You cannot have a
> large tesla coil on your doorstep. Around the brevity of a lifetime I
> did large constructions, two of them, now working on the third, which
> she knows nothing about. If she knew about that one she would also
> try to stop it also, by nefarious means.
>
> Little history of this is told. Mom didnt want my experimentaion to
> be enabled, and consistantly repressed it. When the time came for
> repression, the women in the family made a coup de tat. This includes
> the sister, as probably guilty as her works make that.
>
> A 13 ft diameter perfect spaced winding coil was made with 14 gauge
> wire as a shell coil. Within one day after completion, an unknown
> party decided to destroy this coil by ramming their car into it. A
> freind named Doc, now of Etowah, Tenn: where I have journeyed with
> him before, and fathomed the man's Indian Vision Quest, made the
> technical expertize to construct the coil.  A little argument with
> sister, and your work is destroyed.
>
> Doc is Doc, but Sis with the violent temper didnt like Doc. DOC makes
> the coil, and sis destroys the work in a fit of temper when she
> leaves the bar, which our family owns. tHE COIL BEHIND THE BAR IS
> OBTAINED BY PERMISSION OF FATHER WHICH OWNS THE LAND BEHIND THE BAR.
>
> That of course is fathers inheritance passed down now to the children
> now. Mom cant say you dont have that money coming. She can only throw
> obstacles in the way. So when the coil was destroyed, I SAID, FUCK
> THIS: THE NEXT TIME A CAR IS USED TO DESTROY THE WORK< IT WIILL BE ON
> MY DOORSTEP!
>
> That doorstep coil was redesigned at 1 inch spacing as shown at
> http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mistuned.html
>
> Good for the soul and spirit/ knocking the power down that street was
> in order, and held as scientific evidence, as a possibitlity for
> terrorist tools against the police state. Their day will come when
> their fascist agenda is niped at the bud. It all has to do with the
> King's Highway, and the taxes they make for using it to travel. They
> prohibit legal travel, and the logical consequence can follow. That
> means knocking out car ignition systems selectively, the logical
> conclusion of their own nefarious legal means to detain people on
> false pretences.
>
> Now what was done here is the unlawful confiscation of Tesla Electric
> property by mom again, seizing lighting and assorted items coming to
> $450.00. This was the halide lighting used to make web pages from
> garage work. TEC was formerly located from family business noted in
> Streetesboro on web page, where I was also kicked out.
>
> So I'm coming back again: this time KICKING SOME MORE ASSES. HDN
>
> LITERALLY FROM POLICE STATE RECORDS....
>
>
>
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After attendings Mom.s family reunion in Tennesee, some obstinate
theivery has been discovered,(again). So mom is throwing obstacles to
scientific pursuits (again).


Her perogative is that you must be a normal person. You cannot have a
large tesla coil on your doorstep. Around the brevity of a lifetime I
did large constructions, two of them, now working on the third, which
she knows nothing about. If she knew about that one she would also
try to stop it also, by nefarious means.

Little history of this is told. Mom didnt want my experimentaion to
be enabled, and consistantly repressed it. When the time came for
repression, the women in the family made a coup de tat. This includes
the sister, as probably guilty as her works make that.

A 13 ft diameter perfect spaced winding coil was made with 14 gauge
wire as a shell coil. Within one day after completion, an unknown
party decided to destroy this coil by ramming their car into it. A
freind named Doc, now of Etowah, Tenn: where I have journeyed with
him before, and fathomed the man's Indian Vision Quest, made the
technical expertize to construct the coil.  A little argument with
sister, and your work is destroyed.

Doc is Doc, but Sis with the violent temper didnt like Doc. DOC makes
the coil, and sis destroys the work in a fit of temper when she
leaves the bar, which our family owns. tHE COIL BEHIND THE BAR IS
OBTAINED BY PERMISSION OF FATHER WHICH OWNS THE LAND BEHIND THE BAR.

That of course is fathers inheritance passed down now to the children
now. Mom cant say you dont have that money coming. She can only throw
obstacles in the way. So when the coil was destroyed, I SAID, FUCK
THIS: THE NEXT TIME A CAR IS USED TO DESTROY THE WORK< IT WIILL BE ON
MY DOORSTEP!

That doorstep coil was redesigned at 1 inch spacing as shown at
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mistuned.html

Good for the soul and spirit/ knocking the power down that street was
in order, and held as scientific evidence, as a possibitlity for
terrorist tools against the police state. Their day will come when
their fascist agenda is niped at the bud. It all has to do with the
King's Highway, and the taxes they make for using it to travel. They
prohibit legal travel, and the logical consequence can follow. That
means knocking out car ignition systems selectively, the logical
conclusion of their own nefarious legal means to detain people on
false pretences.

Now what was done here is the unlawful confiscation of Tesla Electric
property by mom again, seizing lighting and assorted items coming to
$450.00. This was the halide lighting used to make web pages from
garage work. TEC was formerly located from family business noted in
Streetesboro on web page, where I was also kicked out.

So I'm coming back again: this time KICKING SOME MORE ASSES. HDN

LITERALLY FROM POLICE STATE RECORDS....

During the electrical blackout, when I had hurriedly made the
connections and recieved no effect during the blackout, the magnet
windings where not present. Further looking into this matter reveals
that they have nothing to do with this characteristic. A total wild
goose chase, the magnets are not amplifying anything. By having them
in series with the BRS midpoint to ground path, they will still allow
that existant current to occur, but they are by no means its
causitive action. A connection from brs midpoint voltage connection,
to house siding will show ~ 120 volts with no power to BRS. It is the
60 hz resonant circuit than that is simply responsible for these
ground currents, and the magnets have no relevancy in this case.
HDN

Numerous ailments have reoccurred with feet, with onset on new job at
window factory. Last week this began with the left foot where
initially this was noted in the heel,and  walking became difficult. I
rode this out where for 3 days I was badly affected, and still went
to work with a bad limp. One person noted it might be a bone spur.
About the time that I decided to use electrical treatments, the
condition cleared up, so this was not attempted.

Now the similar condition has occured on the right foot. This is more
like a total sprain, and is much worse than the former episode on the
other foot. Now usually when one sprains ones ankle, it is noticed
immediately, and a reason for the mishap is generally known from the
moment it happens. However in these instances, which I surmise it to
be due from working long hours on concrete, (10 hour days), there is
no immediate sprain noticed, but just a gradual worsening until  use
of that leg is seriously impaired. So today I could not work, because
I can hardly walk. No great swelling has occured, just a slight
puffiness round the heel again.  I do not reckon this is a form of
gout, but perhaps it is an arthritic condition, which my sister has
had bad symptoms in her hands and wrists, so it may run in the
family. I consider 45 years old to early for this kind of nonscense,
but here the opportunity to conduct electrical experiments on my body
is made.

One may recall that I have used this treatment method before for two
bad episodes of gout, each lasting several weeks with profuse
swelling.  Also the initial method used a miniscule arc gap for a
one  BRS potential wire to plate method. The plate is usually
insulated from the body, as ordinarily without the treatment plate
being insulated small shocks may be noted if the plate is not
insulated. I am unsure whether the small 4 inch neon bulb method, in
place of the arc gap will reduce this shock to nothing, but these
experiments seem to indicate so.

So what was done here is to initially wrap the ankle in ACE elastic
bandage, and then aluminum foil circled around the ankle, so that no
actual electrical contact takes place with the body, only the effect
of high frequency electrical fields being made by the intervening
neon in the circuit is taken. Thus the polar capacity of the body,
(ordinarily around 80 pf as quoted by others) is used on the ending
wire circuit. The bulb will weakly discharge of its own accord
without attaching this end load of capacity. Attaching the end
electrode to ankle aluminum foil then increases this neon discharge.
This treatment was made with 120 volt household input, and did not
include use of the magnet windings. The high induction BRS supplies
the voltage rise necessary for sending to the neon one ended circuit,
(approximately 1400-1600 volts, which is considerably reduced by the
neon load)

After accomplishing this, I happened to pick up the radio shack
minature neon, still attached  for amperage readings, on the smallest
scale reading of 3 ma. To my surprise the smallest neon made a
discharge equivalent to former free energy tests.  This implies that
whatever  electrical action is taken through the ankle,can be emmited
outward from another part of the body to another polar capacity load.
In this respect, the miniature neon will not light of its own accord
by merely touching a terminal: the opposite terminal must also be
attached to a source of free electrons, as the plate areas of polar
capacities can provide, or in this case the meter itself.

I have made a jpeg  in files (under Body Electric) showing the 4 inch
neon to ankle connection, simultaneous to hand/RS neon meter
connection that reads .023 ma conduction by attachment of only one
lead. A close looped short can also be made on the amperage meter,
and touching the oppsite mini neon terminal  to the closed loop will
show the same thing. This is under the files section as Body
Electric.  Another test showed that actually touching the aluminum
foil will deliver absolutely no shock, only increasing the volume of
neon discharge as a consequence.

Years ago, I used to get more dangerous with these kinds of body
experiments. I have been  accidentally hit with the full~ 13,000
volts from the high voltage BRS at 440 input sevearal times, and it
is NOT a pleasant sensation at all! In some repects the bird on a
wire prognosis holds true, and with insulated standing conditions,
from a preliminary midpoint miniscule ar gap to throw the system into
high frequency, half of the 13,000 volts, or around 6000 volts can be
grasped and you can light neons by contact to other people. An above
bar (Waylons Tavern, family business))demonstration I used to do was
to allow the higher 440 inputed voltage to the BRS to be shorted by a
water midpoint path. This consisted of a 4 inch tupperware container,
with aluminum foil immersed in each side, with a 4 inch separation
between the plates. The averaged resistance of the water sample
midpoint load , being fairly high and not identical to a dead short,
allows those midpoint potentials to remain fairly high.  In this
condition one can stick ones finger between the plates into the
water, and also light large neons to people, even through the glass
itself. However such things are not without danger. We once formed a
chain of people to the "neon connected person" The last person to
touch the chain had a huge polar capacity, and then perhaps recieving
a shock, He quickly removed his hand from the persons shoulder he
breifly touched. This sent quite a shock back down the line of people
invovled, where I as the starter of this chain could also feel this
the most. During those shannigans, it was noticed that touching the
middle of the water delivers the same effect as actually touching one
of the plates, but again, NEVER should both plates be touched.
Commonsense is of the utmost importance in such tomfoolery. Another
more recent time a year ago I was showing folks how safe such a thing
was. I was outside in sandals, connected to this 6000 volt potential.
I was showing how others a neon could be dimly disharged if they
touched the glass. But I couldnt get one of them to actually touch
the end electrode, as they were scared of that, which produces a
better neon discharge. So to demonstate to these folks how "safe" it
was, I quickly without thinking touched the end electrode to the
house siding.  BOY did that light me up! Thats way to much polar
capacity to be using! The bulb completely lit, with me yelling and
dropping it on the ground.

Static can be heard from the computers speakers when the clip from
the ankle is removed. In fact with a little playing a miniscule arc
gap can be set up on the ankle. This would probably be more
beneficial. The neon in a sense only represents a "buffered" arc gap.
Making the ankle arc gap causes the sound of a buzzing fly to come
from the monitor speakers.

In other matters, the free energy circuit now seems like a farce.
Yesterday the power breifly went out during a thunderstorm. I quickly
went to hook up the free energy circuit to ground pole, and no
illumination! Then I tried the house siding, and it worked. But by
then as I went back inside the house, I noticed the power had come
back on. So it seems safe to think that the effect is more or less
that of tapping into the ground fluctuations that the power company
makes. Oh well, that was once called a deep subject, by my second
grade teacher, who was always annoyed when I used to say it.   Oh
Well!  HDN

A 100 ft partially buried copper tubing rectangular
loop has been established and some 133 morning glories
planted in the loop, close to the actual tubing. This
was made by using 50 ft of 3/8 inch copper tubing and
inserting a smaller gauge tubing inside of it for the
remaining 50 ft.  This loop is about 2 ft wide making
the actual postulated length of the rectangular loop
about (100-4)/2= 48 ft.

The purpose of this is for high frequency electrical
stimulation of plant life. A successful test run
stimulation was made today. For this purpose the one
wire approach is used. Another smaller loop has also
be made, but this is merely laying on the ground, and
not partially buried. This other loop might be used
for the 2 wire approach. That was the connections made
in the BRMA. It that scenario the other midpoint
potential is attached via  needle /water/ glass
capacitive midpoint potential path, and the magnet
surface is merely attached to the bottom plate by
surface contact. Windings on that magnet then deliver
energy as a supposed inductive extraction of the
windings themselves, since they are not directly line
tied to the circuit.

It was found in the best application of voltage and
current from the system, when this is measured in the
off switch mode, that directly line tying the magnet
winding the the BRS mipoint path would deliver twice
the voltage, or the actual ~120 volts previously
recorded. Placing the small Radio Shack neon between
the magnet wire ending and the ground had previously
delivered a ~60 volt across the bulb, and a .94ma
conduction, for the speculated .04 watts. delivery
with no power input.

When this was tried using the ground  rectangular loop
as the circuit ending,with the intervening RS bulb as
a load, the presumably better ground did a better job
in producing voltage across the bulb as this was
measured at 74 volts.
Again the single wire method simply uses one BRS
potential, not two, so a single 14 gauge insulated
wire was strung to the garden plot,(about 80 ft away).
From there it is simply attached to a stainless steel
plate on top of the magnet. Then one of the magnet
winding endings iteself is also attached to the plate,
and the other end to neon, then final ending to ground
from the opposite neon lead. This makes the magnet
winding, a sort of autotransformer application, while
the dual wire BRMA arrangement more represents that of
a magnetic transformer. Since it is the single wire
case that produces the better voltage,( with no power
input) it is also assumed, but not yet exactly proved,
that the magnet adds energy to the circuit. This will
also be easily proved in actual testings where the
amperages through a small neon can be meter tested..
This was attempted today by switching to a 4 inch
neon, and actually turning the circuit on from wall
voltage. The bulb seemed to blink very fast, probably
in accordance to 60 hz. The differences that could be
noted would be to entirely take the magnet out of the
picture, and note whether the same illumination
effects will take place. A grounded neon from a BRS
midpoint potential will still blink, it does not need
a line connected magnet winding to accomplish this. It
is simply the assumption that it should work better in
actual operation, than without, because of the free
energy effects being noted. Of course better yet would
be to have actual voltage and amperage measurements
made, in turn on condition.

The 4 inch neon reads about 380-390 volts in its
frantic blinking. The process also produces an audible
crackling noise, assumed to come from the magnet, or
neon, or perhaps both. Running an amperage test
started this crackling  noise to become from the meter
itself, which was many times more louder, and the
meter is now seen its last LED display to date, as
this carelessness has blown up the meter for no
apparent reason. I have good reason to beleive, had I
been holding the meter, I would have got a good
jolting, as the skin effects can occur on the outside
plastic casings of the meter, as I have felt them
before. John Gleason, neighbor and assistant also
noted that a vibration itself can be felt when holding
the the BRS input wire.

On free energy state,with no power input, the amperage
consumption can be safely tested by meter and shows a
smaller value of .87 ma. for the new 74 volt value.
Taking out the neon by shorting it then produces 1.8
ma conduction to tubing alone. The possibility exists
also that the tubing ending can be connected now to a
capacity to resonate to at the other ending, since the
loop records about 36 microhenries as a tested value.
This would involve using the quarter wave lenght value
of 100 ft, (about 2,500,000 hz) and finding the
required resonant capacity by Thompsons resonance
formula, R(f)=1/2 (pi)sq rt {LC}.

Will be leaving Friday for Tennesee family reunion and
be back on Tues. HDN

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From: harvey norris

To: teslafy@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:41 PM

Subject: [teslafy] Southern Expedition

--- Harvey D Norris <harvich@...> wrote:
these are not good for copy. Will make efforts in
> this regard on
> weekends. HDN
A travel, time has been made for previous commitments.
WiLL not respond soon, but be back also soon after
this weekend. No weekend reports for now.


All links will be severed for a WEEk oR two hdn.
TEC, Sincerely HDN


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--- Harvey D Norris <harvich@...> wrote:
  these are not good for copy. Will make efforts in
> this regard on
> weekends. HDN
A travel, time has been made for previous commitments.
WiLL not respond soon, but be back also soon after
this weekend. No weekend reports for now.


All links will be severed for a WEEk oR two hdn.
TEC, Sincerely HDN


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--- eks1 <eks1@...> wrote:
> A schematic Harvey...let's replicate your
> results..peer review..remember?

I have not yet tested this circuit with components
that others would have easy access to, or determined
the exact relationship, or even necessity for using
dual 180 phased resonances as this input. When two
simultaneous opposite resonant voltage rises are used,
we have two endings to apply to a load, but in this
process the path used is with only one resonant
potential, so it seems logical that the circuit might
work with a single series resonance.

For a schematic of what I have reffered to as a binary
resonant transformer see Binary Resonant Arc Gap
schematic
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/message/5

The further adaptation of this circuit was to
eliminate the arc gap. This is where a magnet contact
to electrified plate from one of the potentials, and
windings around that magnet come into play.

The arc gap as a shorted load on the resonant circuit
can take many forms, but in order to show spectacular
discharges from the system a surface water arcing can
be made by connecting one potential to a needle with a
small air gap over water surface, and the other
potential to a foil/water connection. Such a discharge
is shown at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy

Now it was also noticed that when an assembly such as
this was placed on a stack of 3 Sr Fe 6 by 4 by 1 inch
magnets, with windings around the magnet those
windings can also deliver hf electricity to loads. But
in order for this to efficiently occur, the
oscillations must be made much more continuous, and
not the more sporiadic displays of large arcing, that
occur with the foil /water short condition. To remedy
this situation, the foil is removed from the water,
and much smaller electrical arcs will hit the water,
but at a much more rapid rate in time, delivering a
high BPS rate,(burst per second). In that situation
the interior load to the BRS is limited to the weakest
link in the chain, which is the capacity present
between the arc, water, and glass bottom, which rests
on a metal plate, which in turn rests on the magnet
wafers containg windings around its perimeter. Now the
next advance in this method was the discovery that
Arc-less high frequency could also be made from the
magnet windings.

HF experimentors Normally rely on an arc to Cause high
frequency effects, so this represented a great
advance. This was mdae by simply allowing the needle
to puncture the water surface, so that no arcing
occured between the midpoint potentials, and the only
amount of current flow that could occur between the
midpoint resonant potentials is that of only the
displacement currents of the dielectric mediums in
series. This keeps the voltage input at the highest
state, which in turn causes more rf ringdowns per
cycle to occur. Scope forms of these rf ringdowns from
both the arcing and non arcing methods are shown at
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mag.html

On this page, which was changed to show the windings
producing 20 inch neon discharges to large 30 by 40
inch plate areas, a special problem of monitoring
those current outputs by scope occured. Those bulb
voltages were too high for actual scope connection
across those outputs. But it was also found that the
bulbs themselves emit EM which shows the rf bursts per
second that occur. By putting an inductor around those
bulbs, and then hooking the inductor to scope probe
leads, these signals could then be monitored in that
fashion, which is the method used to make those scope
jpegs.

It was then further found that there didnt seem to be
overunity in the circuit, because the power input was
far higher than the power output on the bulbs, because
of the losses themselves on the coil system used to
create the voltage rise. However a very unusual
feature then led to the following discovery, that when
the system was turned off by shutting down the power
to the BRS magnet application, by turning the off
switch on a utility stip outlet, that the whole device
was plugged into, the meter was still registering 45
volts across a bulb! Thus I have concluded that the
addition of magnet windings to the circuit truly make
it a magnetic amplifier.

The somewhat lengthy records of experimentation
concerning this found free energy, and the steps
towards improving its output from the meager levels
first recorded are contained in the message postings
at teslafy in 3 parts, starting at Wall Voltage Free
Energy Circuit./Pt 1 of 3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/message/7

Sincerely HDN

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--- In teslafy@y..., "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@y...> wrote:
> Also concerning the change in possible resonant frequency being
> recognized by the magnet winding, we can surmize that the capacity
> has increased from 80 pf to 1.8 nf in the new situation of
> autotransformer application. This gives a 1800/80 = 22.5 increase
of
> capacity. If the magnet  winding were reponding well to thse new LC
> quantities that would mean a resonant frequency change of quite
some
> value from the former surmized good reaction of LC values to
resonate
> at 1.5 mg hz , from the free ended vibrations induced inductively
and
> longitudinally on the magnet windings. This math will be checked
> again for possible errors. HDN

A great error was initially assumed here: where I did not recognize
the math errors I had made which are again rehearsed;

"Now let us conclude with the calculation of what a capacity of ~1.8
nf will allow from the meter measured voltage of ~ 60 volts measured
across the neon bulb. This figure would be the IDEAL ampacity, which
seldom actually occurs in REAL components. This is governed by
capacitive reactance formula, X(C)=1/2(pi)R(f)C.   C being 1.8*10^-9F
times 60 as R(f) ands also 6.28 establishes the denominator of the
fraction as 6.78 *10^-7, where the inverse of this as the effective
capacitive reactance gives the astoundingly high figure of 1,474,404
ohms. Given a ~60 volt voltage sourcing from the free energy process
shown in actual discharge across the bulb, the predicted IDEAL
ampacity would be 60/(1.47*10^6) = ~4.07 *10^-5 A or .0407 ma
conduction. It is seen that the meter measurement of this conduction
only shows less than half this predicted value of recorded .18 ma by
the expected X(C) value.{THAT POSTING IS NOTED AS ERROR} the further
reduction is then surmized to be
due to the actual added resistance of the neon discharge, or perhaps
the inability of this this free energy circuit to be able to
actually deliver the amperages asked for by reactance laws. It may be
possible that better figures would be obtained by taking the neon out
of the circuit, but that is that is the main point of inputing hf
bursts/cycle. But the main point here is for the device to be
continually able to expose plant specimans with continual open switch
stimulation."


In this regard the error being made was the fact of the recorded
amperages was in fact in EXCESS to what its stated value should have
been by reactance formula. Likewise in the high voltage BRS, the
stated capacitive reactance, as measured by meter amperage
consumption is also increased in both amperage and voltage readings
as those component LC values are chosen to be closer to 60 hz
resonant values.

In this case here, a sort of error was made by assuming that the
source of emf from the magnet winding did not actually have
an "internal inductance" intrinsic to it, where in fact then by that
theory different capacitive loads might then be resonant to such a
source emf and then conduct more amperage then the component would
ordinarily allow. So in this example the model of such a component
that does experience more recorded amperage than its meter registered
capacitance allows, is in fact due to that 1.9 nf being somewhat
resonant to the source emf, cancelling part of that reactance, and
also displaying a voltage rise with respect to the bulb load on the
double plated example.

The single plated approach seems superior, in that then the function
of the ground is clearly established, whereas in the double plated
capacity as free energy load, this is not necessary for obtaining
those measurement values.

A single neon RS bulb to only bottom plate connection and then ground
rod connection,(these were suspended samples) then showed 60 volts
across bulb and .94 ma to ground rod. This amperage conduction
conduction was not further increased by house siding connection in
parallel. This gives a better wattage figure of .04 watts, where the
former figure was .01 watts. Thee free energy bulb discharge is
easily photograpable on its neon display, which shall shortly be
shown on jpeg.

For Now I am filing this project under Morning Glory under files
section in teslafy. A jpeg showing the results after 3 Days will now
be forwarded there. These are the results of 3 days exposure  after
overnight soakings of morning glory seeds in electrified plant plots.
The neon connection is barely visible as a lower wire connection.
This of course is the bonafide .04 watt free energy the plant trays
recieve. HDN

Several attempts at making scope photographs have been made, but
these are not good for copy. Will make efforts in this regard on
weekends. HDN

Having forgot the inductance of this  magnet winding I refer back to
the info contained at BRMA web page at
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mag.html

It is so very important to recognize that the schematic in this case
of actual magnet powered windings that are made by bonafide energy
inputs is entirely different in that situation which represents  the
more traditional tesla secondary modeling of a secondary that is free
to vibrate, or ring, by inductive coupling alone.  I will extract
some SweetVTA posts named "9 thoughts on things", and TEC Brute
Approach"  to repost to teslafy list that illustrates this priciple
when time permits a reposting. On a tesla secondary this coupling
coefficient from spatial mutual inductance  between primary and
secondary must be fairly loose, otherwise primary arcing to secondary
may occur, or racing arcs along the secondary trying to reach the
primary may occur. This is traditionally remedied by grounding that
rf secondary, as noted before. However a satisfactory grounding
improvement of action from the BRS, and even BRS stimulated magnet
windings has not yet been convincingly demonstrated, as an analogous
effect. It has also been formerly noted, and needs to be tested
again, that placing a neon bulb directly across BRS potentials, which
ordinarily causes the bulbs to blink, by the supposed negative
resistance characteristic of initial neon discharge formation, is
subverted when a midpoint potential is grounded, and simultaneously
attached to the bulb midpoint potentials that would ordinarily make
the bulb blink. When this is tested again it will be reposted, but
for now a sort of opposite effect seems to occur with the magnet
windings. Again if memory of yesterdays experiments are correct, only
one connection from the magnet winding/BRS midpoint path alteration
will cause the bulb,( one 20 inch discharge neon of wide diameter
standard 15 mil tubing) to blink in this manner to the ground post.
When it does this blinking, it occurs in the 12 hz range, if those
blinks were made at 2/cycle for each opposite polarity of that
frequency producing a discharge. Although initially considered a
possible earth resonant action, this is now thought to be simply a
function of bulb length producing this action. This is because variac
regulation of BRS bulb blinking via direct midpoint pathway of a 4
inch bulb produced a condition where the blinking itself in timing
could be increased by turning the variac voltage input up. The same
things happens in water surface arcing in water/foil connection mode.
That is the mode(magnet winding Autotransformer) used for the free
energy extraction circuit, and when that mode itself is tried for
actual magnet winding output when a REAL energy input is used, to
make that magnet deliver energy to its windings, it does not do so
efficiently at all, because the base of the(magnet winding) spring is
line tied to the source frequency by direct connection, and then
because of this, and the very poor inductance and small length of
these magnet windings: the free vibrations that exist as a higher
frequency ring down do not manifest themselves with the
autotransformer secondary, as does the one loosely coupled. With neon
powered outputs connected to both free magnet windings in the loosely
coupled example which is  cited on mag webpage as follows:

"the method of capacitive only connection does not produce
spectacular discharges that a foil/water completion midpoint circuit
gives. In that case since a more direct electrical connection between
the oppositely 180 phased 60 hz series resonances exists, this makes
the circuit act primarily as a tank circuit, with more minimal
amperage input. This amperage input makes reading the vibration of
the magnetic fields at 60 hz only obtainable at the lowest scope
voltage selections. In that case a direct short path is available
across the surface of the water by the addition of a opposite
polarity electrode into the water. Here we are relying only on
displacement currents of the (3) dielectric materials,(including the
air, where this is found to be unnecessary, as the next jpeg shows)
This also means that the power input becomes relatively much higher
than the water /foil/surface water arc gap method. That is because
the midpoint path between the 180 phased resonances is of a high
resistance, primarily that of the glass bottom itself,and probably
not much added resistance from the tap water: and the circuit remains
primarily that of the coils at source freq in 180 phased series
resonance that deliver a higher (2Q=30)voltage rise across the
resonances respective midpoint connections, inducing about 12 rf
spikes/60hz cycle as shown below where the magnet is not actually
part of the circuit, it is only connected to one high voltage plate
by surface area contact. It is however the windings around that
magnet to pick up these vibrations as a longitudinal signal, since
the windings are in the incorrect orientation to recieve the
orthogally created delta B as a simultaneous reaction to Delta E
created in the space around the plate and suface area connections of
the midpoint load."

Oops, I do not see an inductance reference there, as it must be that
webpage needs to be updated, I think it was .676uh and the former
calculations showed that with 80 pf of parallel capacity, those
discharges of long neons were then enabling a resonant  frequency of
some 1.5 million hz. with the magnet windings in bipolar application.
It is emphasized that the magnet material itself does not have some
magical resonant frequency, but this is rather determined by the
geometry of the magnet size wafer h/d parameter, and becomes more of
a geometry of magnet sample issue. Likewize, the so called resonant
frequency of water principle is often misinterpreted in this manner.
Numerous among these cited resonant frequencies are the Keely 42,800
hz, early 88,000 hz cold fusion claims, harmonics of tetrahedral
water molecular resonance named by Puharich where the third harmonic
was named at 32, 800 ?some hz ect. In fact of matter a real 14 gauge
low resistance system to produce an electrical standing wave of this
frequency has been tested last year to deliver that approximate
frequency. It was found that because of interwinding capacitance
effect and the geometry of coil system Height/diameter ratio(h/d)
made the effect that only 2/3 the amount of wire need be used to
establish that empty ended quarter wavelength value. In this
instance, the idea and possibility of arcless high frequency first
presented itself.  Then it became apparentl that with long lengths of
wire, these can be hooked autotransformer style and not have to rely
on the mechanism of an arc gap, or even a neon intermediary to act to
create the rf bursts.In those days the use of small 4 inch neons to
repilcate minscule arc bar arcing through an air gap were not known
or available. However the quarter wavelegth wire calculations were
made and used and experimented with great success, establishing what
was known as the needle glow discharge, which has not yet been
reproduced. Theoretically this can be reproduced by by making a BRS
within a BRS, and ideas concerning this will be reposted as
commentary on a magnet inspired interior BRS reposted in "TEC Brute
Force" which is a proposition on the testing stage easily produced
with materials on hand, where this has been untested as a possibility
as of yet. But the main issue here I wish to contend with is the
simple fact of what kind of reaction chamber is used, where the
reaction chamber itself predetermines what resonant frequency will
occur, by its geometrical dimensions, exactly analogous to how
resonant frequencies of a  coil are changed by its geometry. Thus the
resonant frequency of the material itself can be a non descriptive
definition, also leading to deceptive reasonings where a supposed
resonant frequency will produce spectacular effects on a material,
where in fact those effects may only be a description of the use of
that frequency within the appropriate sized reaction vessel, that is
actually only part of a LC component in resonance. The is why, in the
brute force method, not yet vastly investigated, except breifly with
IRS supplied materials, that the importance of the actual measured
capacity of a ferrite magnet becomes of importance. This is actually
one of quantities of the LC based resonances! This also has a very
non linear relationship as regard to dielectric constants. Again the
H/d ratio changes that constant according to geometry, and even
weight /pressure on the sample  relationships..

Severe medical maladies have recently occured on this instrument of a
HDN body and access to MWO oscillations will be aptly applied when
necessary. The bedsprings experiments have not yet begun, as the
morning glory seed plots are in continual "off switch: suppposed MWO
effect" where the visible discharge of the Radio shack "mini neon"
serves well as a visible indicator of the circuit working at
nightime.It is more important to keep that continual open switch
stimulation to the plant plots to see what will occur. John Gleason
is also arranged to work on this project as the seeds were initally
water soaked some 24 hours ago and planted today for final electrical
stimulation at 50 volts from one ended neon discharge about 3 PM ohio
time. I am up too late making postings like this so now it almost 12
hours later at 2:30 Am Ohio USA time. I now have the camera set up to
try some camera shots simultaneous to bulb activity.

The first try for this will use a halide smaller wattage bulb of 250?
watts for background lighting. It is hoped that by focusing on the
VHS camera zooming in, both the .01 watt free energy neon discharge
of the radio shack bulb, and the dual trace form of both the 40 volt
bulb voltage,(shown as 61 volts rms by simultaneous meter
measurement), and the voltages made as dual scope traces can be
contained in one jpeg. The discharge will then be tried showing it as
the left hand upper corner on that jpeg, next to the scope picture.
Next a jpeg of a close up of that background picture will be shown
for the actual dual trace form. Then a third dual trace form-showing
the wiping out of the plate connection waveform in coordination with
using the dual probe conections across bulb will shown that procures
the only one observation of a broken sawtooth wave that becomes an
exclusive observation, wiping out the other channel's signals. This
is enough attempts tonight at this late Uhr. At 3  Am I am
momentarily now recording this, and will report back...
  Now at 3:30am I am  hooking the tape player back to Dazzle software
for review. The scope photos do not have the proper background
lighting and focus, so perhaps this can be tried again tommorrow.
Now let us conclude with the calculation of what a capacity of ~1.8
nf will allow from the meter measured voltage of ~ 60 volts measured
across the neon bulb. This figure would be the IDEAL ampacity, which
seldom actually occurs in REAL components. This is governed by
capacitive reactance formula, X(C)=1/2(pi)R(f)C.   C being 1.8*10^-9F
times 60 as R(f) ands also 6.28 establishes the denominator of the
fraction as 6.78 *10^-7, where the inverse of this as the effective
capacitive reactance gives the astoundingly high figure of 1,474,404
ohms. Given a ~60 volt voltage sourcing from the free energy process
shown in actual discharge across the bulb, the predicted IDEAL
ampacity would be 60/(1.47*10^6) = ~4.07 *10^-5 A or .0407 ma
conduction. It is seen that the meter measurement of this conduction
only shows less than half this predicted value of recorded .18 ma by
the expected X(C) value. the futher reduction is then surmized to be
due to the actual added resistance of the neon discharge, or perhaps
the inability of this this free eenergy circuit to be able to
actually deliver the amperages asked for by reactance laws. It may be
possible that better figures would be obtained by taking the neon out
of the circuit, but that is that is the main point of inputing hf
bursts/cycle. But the main point here is for the device to be
continually able to expose plant specimans with continual open switch
stimulation.

Also concerning the change in possible resonant frequency being
recognized by the magnet winding, we can surmize that the capacity
has increased from 80 pf to 1.8 nf in the new situation of
autotransformer application. This gives a 1800/80 = 22.5 increase of
capacity. If the magnet  winding were reponding well to thse new LC
quantities that would mean a resonant frequency change of quite some
value from the former surmized good reaction of LC values to resonate
at 1.5 mg hz , from the free ended vibrations induced inductively and
longitudinally on the magnet windings. This math will be checked
again for possible errors. HDN

I had formerly noted in the last post;
"The investigation of employing a grounding rod shows
that in every case, this subverts the process. Since
the process only needs one BRS midpoint terminal to
work, the other BRS terminal was grounded by pole to
see the effect. This reduced the voltage on device to
25 volts. Also when the formerly empty magnet winding
was grounded it completely removed the effect.
Disconnecting the plug and grounding it also delivered
no effect."
Now what becomes very confusing is now the
experimentation has finally determined the value of
grounding, and  nearly the same effects as using the
aluminum siding of the house have finally been
obtained by the simple end connection of a ground rod
as the polar capacity, instead of that of the house
siding. It was futhermore found that when a MWO
capacity of relalitively low capacity is vibrated by
the magnet winding. the ground is again unnecessary,
so this issue has not yet been resolved. This delivers
a 160 volt cap storage with what seems to be a
slightly higher charge time. This then brings to
question as to why this was not formerly noted. This
can be seen as the following reasoning. The earlier
explorations involved a magnet winding with two ends,
and when one end was grounded, it destroyed the effect
to only 1 volts or so. Now the advance mentioned in
the last post was instead of grounding the unused
magnet winding, it was directly line connected to the
midpoint BRS water foil needle pathway. This makes the
magnet winding an autotransformer base tied to that
midpoint path. To show the unusual nature of this, one
of those midpoint connections can be removed, and the
circuit delivers the same effects. As mentioned this
increases the magnet winding voltage from 60 to ~120
volts AC. Now what was done with the grounding was to
make it the polar capacity, and in this way it does
not subvert the process. In the former case two
connections were available from the magnet winding,
and grounding one of those connections destroyed the
effect. Now that one of the connections has been line
tied this only leaves one connection available, and
when the ground was tried in this one ended
application, it does seem to act as one end of a large
capacitor, where loads can then be placed between the
ground and the free magnet winding.


Now since this outlet strip might be assumed to be
faulty, another one was tried which gives the same
results. To illustrate that little or  no voltage
input was occuring on the system, this was also meter
measured on the input wires, showing  at most .2
volts. When only one terminal was connected this read
3-5 volts, and suspending the other meter lead towards
the ceiling as an elevated arial terminal would
produce 8-9 volts. Now the input plug was removed from
the strip outlet,(turned on the off position of
course) and connected  to the secondary of the 1.5 KVA
440 transformer. No voltage,(only 1 volt or so
appeared). Then in turn plugging in the primary of the
transformer to its off switch setting on the strip
outlet. This reduced the magnet winding voltage from
121.4 volts to 92.8. I may have formerly mentioned
that the transformer connected instances wiped out the
effect, so this is corrected here to show that the
transformer input connection will allow the effect to
take place, but at reduced voltages. Disconnecting the
input plug again and plugging it in the the variac,
where in turn the variac's input plug was connected to
the open switch of the strip outlet, further reduced
the magnet winding voltage to 74 volts  Charging a cap
by this method was very inneficient, so the conditions
were reduced to about a 15 second charge time
depositing 76 volts on the cap with the source voltage
then showing  63 volts.

Now the variac condtions were then actually turned on,
starting from zero voltage setting on the variac,
which actually also contains the another  isolation
transformer for its output, thus there are then 3
transformers between the ground rod before the input
coil connections of the BRS. Paradoxically doing this
reduces the voltage present between the magnet winding
and the ground pole to 47 volts. Increasing the variac
to household levels did not change this voltage! So I
said to myself, this cannot be possible, there should
be some 1600 volts there. In this instance the needle
punctured the surface of the water, and the midpoint
path was intact. To try and get significant voltages
to develope between the magnet winding and the ground
rod, the needle was suspended above the surface of the
water to produce the arcing effect with foil/water
connection as shown on
http://www.egroups.com/group/teslafy. This then
activated a voltage path to ground where a household
voltage input producing water arcing produced a
fluxuation of 400 -600 volts on the magnet winding
end. When this was tried again, it sent the meter into
overload range, paast the designated 750 volts AC
limit.

Now serious measurement errors and problems then
developed because of the way the voltage meter was
left in place. When we break the circuit to measure
the voltage between the magnet winding and the ground
post, we have then allowed the high voltage impedance
of the meter to be in series with the load on the
circuit. This was entirely overlooked and caused
failure of the load to convincingly disharge. For the
load it was chosen to use the traditional neon to
plate ending method that has formerly been used to
produce MWO oscillations from midpoint BRS connection.
Since we are dealing with only a 120 volt source that
easily loads down to become nothing as a voltage
source, this has been found a formidable problem to
show AC delivery of energy from the device.

The whole aspect here is to develope a MWO process for
high frequency agriculture that requires, and indeed
experiences a power input so negligible that it is
easy to declare this to be zero. For bodily treatment
the metal bedframe and springs might be connected to
the series neon connection to overnight exposure
during sleeping, for bodily regeneration. This is why
when this thought initally occured, it seems like a
virtual electronic fountain of youth. No protest of
the desire against being treated with electrical
fields can be made, because the switch on the device
is on the off position!  So for experimental purposes
two morning glory trays have now been planted and
aluminum foil plated on both sides above and below the
seedling trays. These are turned into a doubled plated
capacity measured by LCR meter at 1.79 nf. Now the
bottom plate connection can be grounded, although in
this experiment the polar capacity of the bottom plate
is all that seems necessary for operation of the
circuit, and removing the ground post connection does
not apppear to limit the circuits operation.

Now again since we are dealing with a mere 120 volts
maximum generated by the magnet winding, to turn the
source frequency to a high frequency, we need to use a
very small neon to act as an arc gap. This condition
was secured by the purchase of Radio Shacks NE2H
Lamps, with a stated 3 ma max current rating, where it
is also stated that the miniature neon requires a
dropping resistor for 120 VAC. Since the overunity
circuit does not have this ordinary quality of
producing amperages to begin with we can consider the
circuit to be current limited by the amount of
capacitance placed on the system.

Initially when the bulbs were purchased, and placed on
the ground rod, a barely visible disharge took place
on the bulb. This was due to the fact that I had
forgotten to take the voltage mearsurement meter from
the magnet winding to ground post out of the circuit,
and replace it as a short. Due to this complication,
that voltage measurement meter acted as a current
limiting factor, diminishing what the actual current
produced from the system could deliver. Nevertheless a
high frequency system was made using this approach,
producing a BPS rate of 6 bursts per 60 hz cycle, at
only .7 volts peak voltage or so across the plates. I
knew this could not be right, because better voltages
than that could be obtained from the 120 source
voltage, previously measured from the magnet winding
to ground post reading.  What was done in this
application was to put the bulb in series with the top
plate, and the bottom plate(unnecessarily) grounded. A
voltage meter measurement across the bulb then reads
55 volts, with barely no visible discharge. Now a
simultaneous scoping of this potentially available
voltage across the bulbs, if memory serves correct
showed that doing this decreased the meter AC bulb
measurement to 38 volts, while the scope was recording
a 75 volt signal. To even further complicate matters
it was found the the scope measurement of the probe
was polarity dependant!  What happened was that
hooking up the probe in reverse would completely
cancel all the voltages. While this surely sounds
impossible it will have to be assumed a potential
error made in recording these notes from experimental
memory, and possibly reinvestigated for the purposes
of making claims. In any case, the desired effect of
producing a hf process across the 1.79 nf  plant trays
did not appear, and I was about to give up. Only a .7
volt sine wave appeared across the cap plates, with a
simultaneous 55 volt meter reading across the
unvisibly disharging? bulb. I was then very much
amazed that taking out the meter measurement of
voltage across the bulb, enabled the rest of the
system to freely vibrate and produce  rf  high voltage
bursts across the plates, similar to what has been
observed in water capacity scope readings, from
insulated plate influence through a dielectric medium.
This produced a decent rate of 60 times 6 or 360 rf
bursts per second.

Where was the missing voltage across these plates
however? It was seen upon reentering the magnet
winding room that its connection to the circuit was
solely that of the meter on off position. Turning this
meter on saw a voltage of 64.3 volts. This was the
missing voltage that did not appear across the plates.
Fixing that situation by taking the unnecessary meter
out of the picture and shorting that open connection
brought the rest of the system into its logical
operation. In this mode the bulb produces visible
operation at  64.3 volts operation by parallel meter
voltage measurement. In this correct scenario, that
meter measurement itself does not appear to effect the
scope measurement of the field plates which formerly
occured. Final measuements today show 61.4 volts
across the bulb by meter, and ` 45 volt signals across
the cap plates. The rf event is expressed as less of a
high voltage event as the 360 BPS made, but here shows
the rf burst in accordance with the 60 hz frequency,
which occurs as a~ 2/5  voltage amplitude in
instaneous voltage change.

Momentarily during this posting, I decided to hook up
channel 2 for simultaneous voltage measurement of the
bulb voltage. This again demonstrated the polarity
dependence of the hookup from the probe. If the wrong
polarity hookup is made the bulb discharge dissapears
and seems to be grounded throught the incorrect probe
lead connection. The scope is not grounded. It was
found that doing this in the correct polarity fashion
showed a 40 volt triangular wave, broken at its high
voltage 40 volt peak. However making that mesurement
in turn wipes out the original measurement on the
other channel. In order to see simultaneous scope
forms from both channels one of the probe connections
across the bulb connections must be made. Making the
dual probe measurement across the bulb also lowered
the meter measurent of that voltage down from 61.4 to
57.6 volts. Removing one probe lead to the bulb will
then show both voltage signals in phase. This unused
probe lead can also be attached to the bottom ground
plate, and its grounding also removed, which does not
change the simultaneous signals. Tonight I will try
making jpegs of these 40 volts free energy signals
that will also produce a neon discharge. Darkness will
be needed to attempt to capture this weak discharge on
camera. Finally to sum up here the amperage in the
bulb circuit was measured at .18 ma. This only gives
(1.8*10^-4)*61.4= .011 watt free energy extraction.
That is of course primitive at this stage of the game,
but shows the undeniable reslts of free energy, and
its initial possibility. Perhaps this can be improved
with more layers of magnet windings. We could also
formulate the resonant frequency of the magnet winding
inductance L value and its C partner here. This will
be done in thie next post, when scope jpegs of these
signals are made and posted to the files at teslafy.
This will be posted under a separate category, and
notice to list members will also be done when this is
made.

Another final test was made with an actual variac turn
on at lowest setting. To do this the meter is again
placed between the magnet winding /device to measure
the potential difference between its ending and the
devices capacity. It then reads 45.2 volts in switch
off position in the newly made load conditions.. .
Jokingly then turning on the device at lowest voltage
selection of the variac shows only 29.7 volts. The
friggin device has more voltage from the magnet
windings with the device turned off than it does
turned on!!!!  This 29.7 volts can be increased to
37.4 volts by removing the needle from the water
surface contact, so that only one midpoint connection
exists, again showing the superiority of one ended
electrical circuits to vibrate using only one, and not
two opposite voltage potentials.

Sincere in this free energy research;
Harvey D Norris.

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--- dnarby@... wrote:
> Harvey/all,
>
> Sweet photo!  From what I've read & seen, it looks
> like your
> experiments are going scalar.
>
> It would be interesting to see how distilled water,
> solutions, fresh
> stream water, etc. might affect the
> discharge/voltage.
Probably not significant since this is only a water
surface arcing.
>
> I looked for the Tesla Research Group for the Wall
> Voltage
> Free Energy Circuit but didn't find it in the HV
> ring or in the Tesla
> Electric Co. page.  Where is it?
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave N.
This is in the actual posted messages section. Since I
have been adding postings it may not be displayed as
the last 5 messages. Click on the left category under
messages at http://www.egroups.com/group/teslafy
>
>
>


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Harvey/all,

Sweet photo!  From what I've read & seen, it looks like your
experiments are going scalar.

It would be interesting to see how distilled water, solutions, fresh
stream water, etc. might affect the discharge/voltage.

I looked for the Tesla Research Group for the Wall Voltage
Free Energy Circuit but didn't find it in the HV ring or in the Tesla
Electric Co. page.  Where is it?

All the best,

Dave N.

Concerning the use of the term "cm" as inductance and capacitance as
found in the turn of the century terminology found in Tesla's CSN is
explained as follows; Electricity at High Pressures and Frequencies
by H.L.Transtrom (1913) talks about the concept of isolated
capacities and gives some highly unusual figures.  I will quote from
pg.157 which I happened to have marked.{this was a deja vu as
formerly recorded from other discussion list entries that has been
amplified in definition} The capacity of isolated spheres are found
to vary as their radii. A sphere having a radius of 1 centimeter,
hung up in space at an infinite distance from any other conductor;has
unit electrostatic capacity;so the capacity of spheres in
electrostatic units can be given directly from their radii in
centimeters. Consequently, a sphere having a radius of 9 times 10 to
the 11th power cm has a capacity of one farad, and a sphere of
900,000 cm. radius equals one microfarad; hence some authors write 1
microfarad as 900,000 cm of capacity. This usage of the term capacity
is used in that terminology in Tesla's day is as evidenced in the
Colorado Spring Notes. Of particular interest beyond the case
examples found in Transtroms book is the entry dated June 7, 1899.
This is 8 days before actual experimental work begins on June 15.
Here Tesla is estimating the inductance of a single loop by a formula
that gives only two parameters for input, and those values given in
centimeters correspond to an ANSWER understood in those days readily
by that definition. Now the usual method of determining inductance in
the century beyond Tesla's time was Wheelers formula, undoobably also
known at that time... But what we have here is a fairly long formula
that tesla used to calculate this from knowing only the parameter of
the radius A of the loop and the radius a of the {orthogonal
relationship}of that wire in circumference relationship to pi. This
is a fairly long formula using a summation of natural logs in typical
mathematical reference to the smaller terms becoming infinitesimal.
The CSN refers to the natural logarithm as log base(e){term}, I have
shortened this to the modern calculus convention of ln{term} for the
formula. Amazingly when Tesla first begins his experimentation, his
secondary only consists of a conical 14 turns with average width of
130 ft/turn. From there he rapidly deduces the extra coil effect:
also properly considered as an autotransformer application. Tesla
also refers to this inductance as L(s), which brings some confusion
as what he is refering to in the single loop case must be L(p) or
primary. In any case the formula he supplies for the primary is
assumed to be widely used at the time as follows in CSN; with all {}
as my comments also designated as interior parentheses.  Also in
Tesla's calculation he neglects the last term as negligible. Having
noticed this let us rerturn to Transtrom's definitions: a man
electrocuted in error of judgement after noting Teslas entry. June
7,1899 Approximate estimate of a primary turn to be used in
experimental station. L(s){?}= 3.14{pi}[ 4A{ln (8A/a)-2)} + 2a{ln
(8A/a)-5/4} - a^2/16A{2 ln(8A/a) + 19}] TRANSTROM'S Definition of
UNIT VALUES Now concerning the use of inductance defined in terms of
cm , Transtrom also goes into this on pg 80-82. The inductance of a
circuit is sometimes expressed in centimeters, one of the cgs units
or absolute units. By definition a circuit has a self induction of
one henry when it generates a counter emf of one volt when the
current is varied at a uniform rate of one ampere per second-- that
is the circuit cuts 10^8 lines per second: so a circuit of one turn
which has a flux of one Weber (10^8) when one ampere is flowing
through it, has an inductance of one henry. One volt then represents
a movement of a single conductor of 100,000 cm per second across a
unit field (1 line per square cm) In this way the emf in volts can be
given the dimension of length, namely 10^8 cm. As a circuit of one
henry inductance generates a counter emf of 1,000,000,000 centimeters
when a change of one ampere, or one tenth unit of current per second,
it is plain that the counter emf would be ten times as high, or ten
volts (1,000,000,000 cm) when the rate of current change per second
is unity (or ten amps per second) Therefore one Henry of inductance
is given the dimension of 1,000,000,000 cm. In a circuit of only one
turn the inductance in centimeters can be directly obtained from the
number of lines enclosed when a current of 10 amperes is flowing
through the conductor. The Henry was once called the secohm, because
a circuit having an inductance of one henry would only permit a rate
of change of one ampere per second when the impressed current had an
emf of one volt, and as the counter emf acted as one ohm resistance,
we see from this that the inductance can be expresssed in ohms. The
henry has also been called the quad, or quadrant because in the
metric system a quadrant of the earth from the equator to the pole
equals approximately 10^9 centimeters. Both terms mentioned above are
now quite obsolete. Retracing these century old definitions further
on around pg 10 (cgs measurement system) In order to handle
scientific subjects intelligently, a system of units of measurements
has been constructed, in which the unit of time is one second, the
unit of length one centimeter, and the unit of weight one gramme { A
cubic cm of water is also one gram, HDN} If one gramme is moved one
cm in one second the force required to do this is one dyne. The work
accomplished is one erg. The force of gravity is 981.45 centimeters
per sec{note this may appear out of context as gravity expressed as
acceleration is expressed as m/sec^2 HDN} Therefore the force
required to oppose it in lifting one gramme, one centimeter high is
981.45 dynes. Thus the dyne can be expressed in weight or 1/981.45
gramme. { Aha! Henry is correct! In the English system the force unit
is often misinterpreted as the mass unit. Because the acceleration of
gravity is 32 ft /sec^2 and the actual mass unit one slug, one lb
unit of force = mg= one slug*32 ft/sec^2= 1 lb. Thus in earths
gravity 32 slugs=1 lb. Gramme is also the spelling used in the book
which I am leaving for authenticicty HDN} If a magnetic pole repels
or attracts another magnetic pole having the same number of lines of
force issuing from it, with a force of one dyne when they are
separated a distance of one centimeter, it is termed a unit magnet
pole. In other words the attraction or pull is equal to 1/981.4 gram
when they are 1 cm apart. The strength of the magnetic field of a
unit magnet pole one cm away is one line of force per square cm, and
is called the unit magnetic field. If we think of the lines of force
of a unit magnet pole as issuing in all directions with an equal
strength, or one line of force=12.5664 lines of force, which is
called its magnetic flux. The magnetic field or flux, is expressed by
the Greek letter phi. 12.5664 =4 times Pi(3.14) This figure 4*Pi
times the radius squared= the surface of a sphere, as the distance of
one cm is the radius of the unit magnet pole and the surface wold
contain 4*pi*1^2 = 12.5664 sq cm, and as each of these squares would
contain one line of force, the sum of all the squares would be
12.5664 lines of force. If the strength of the magnet is doubled the
DENSITY is doubled the force in dynes is also doubled, for 4(pi)(rad)
^2 X 2 lines =25.1328 lines = phi. If the phi is divided by 4 (pi)
(rad)^2 the result = psi The absolute unit of current is 10
amperes,since it will produce a unit magnetic field of phi= 12.5664
lines around a conductor for every centimeter of its length, provided
it is straight and the return conductor is very distant with the air
as the medium surrounding it. Therefore the practical unit of current
is .1 of the absolute unit which was found to be to large for
convenience. {The unity employed with absolute units starts to make
sense on this pg 41 entry concerning back emf effects on generation
of electrical power HDN}  The electromotive force depends on the RATE
of cutting the lines of force. When a conductor is moved ACROSS a
unit magnetic field ( which is described as containing in one line of
force per square centimeter, psi=1, being uniform throughout) in one
second, thereby cutting one line per second, there is generated a
UNIT emf. If the conductor is moved twice as fast across the same
field, the emf is doubled; but if the field is weakened the conductor
must move faster to cut as many lines per second as before, and
slower if the field is strengthened. {Note now this important entry}
If unit emf is generated in the conductor and we find the find that
its motion is opposed with a force of one dyne, the conductor would
be carrying unit current, and its resistance according to Ohms law
would also be unity, for E/I= R. Or 1 unit emf/1unit current=1, or
one unit resistance. As unit emf is so exceedingly small, a PRACTICAL
unit , the VOLT is used. It is equal to 100,000,000 times the
THEORETICAL unit, or it may be expressed as the emf generated by
cutting lines of force at a rate of 1,000,000 per second {The forms
of} Ohms Law are all in PRACTICAL units.  As the ampere is only .1 of
unit current, and the volt is 100,000,000 {10^9} times the unit emf,
the ohm= {10^9/.1 = 10^10, or 1 billion to one so unit resistance can
be expressed in decimals as .0000000001 ohms. {HDN Note: Scientific
Notation is not used in the book and I have done some paraphasing of
contents for simplicity enclosed by brackets when the interjections
are mine}  Unit work is done in unit time when unit force is exerted
against the motion of a conductor through a unit field at unit speed:
thus producing a unit current at unit emf through unit resistance.
The WORK done in this case is one ERG per second, or one dyne
overcome through one centimeter.  As the force in dynes opposing the
movements of the conductor increases directly with every additional
unit of current, and every additional unit of emf represents an
increase in movement of one centimeter per second in a unit field,
the work done must equal their product, As one volt represents a
movement through a unit field of 100,000,000 centimeters in one
second to cut 100,000,000 lines of force, and as one ampere would
exert only one tenth of a dyne of force against the movement, the
work done by one ampere flowing through a circuit at one volt would
by 1/10 dyne overcome through 100,000,000 cm, or 10,000,000 ERGS per
second. This product is termed one WATT. {HDN; We also know this as
one joule per second established in the m/kg/sec system which exact
name escapes me in this late entry.}

Malcolm Watts on Self Resonate Freq.
Sunday, 20-Aug-00 21:10:58

165.121.207.213 writes:
This is reposted from former entries.
Resonator Self Resonant Frequency
Friday, 16-Jun-2000 09:15:30
165.121.206.155 writes:

Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:40:04 -0600
To: tesla@...
Subject: Resonator Self Resonant Frequency
From: Tesla List

Original Poster: "Malcolm Watts"

Hi all (especially those interested in resonator
resonant frequency),

In poking around the web a bit I came upon this url
which gives
some information from the list archives on this
subject. I referred to
this some time ago. I have tested the formula Ed
Harris gives on a
coil I often refer to when discussing coil
characteristics and it works
well:

http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/1996/june/msg00227.html

Regards,
Malcolm

I am applying this formula to a previous coil built,
will add comment.
Following is reply to tesla list; (HDN)
My calculations show a little more deviance from
quarter wavelength value, about 35% in the cited case
below. Ed Harris' info follows, where I rewrote the
formula to avoid ascii problems.
If you are just interested in computing self-resonant
frequencies there is another method which I have found
useful and generally accurate to about 10% for all
coil sizes - space wound or not. Its limitation is
that it probably shouldn't be used for aspect ratios
(Height/Diameter)<1 due to the assumptions of the
original derivation. Freq=29.85 *{the fifth root of
H/D}/[N*D] where F= self resonant frequency in Mhz of
an 'isolated' coil H= coil height in meters D= coil
diameter in meters N= total number of turns Applying
the formula to 31 inches,[or .79 meters] of 20 inch
diameter, or [.52 meter] Sonotube only yeilds a H/D of
1.52, not a good ratio for a tesla secondary, however
two were built for a possible future bipolar
application. The other unusual parameter in applying
this formula to my first coil attempt some years ago
was that I used #14 gauge wire for the secondary, only
yeilding 9 turns/inch or a low 280 for the N figure.
So I thought the list might be interested to find how
this formula stacks up to the quarterwave length
consideration that is ALWAYS used to my knowledge to
find the resonant frequency of a secondary single
layer wind air core without a top load capacitance.
The only further obfuscation in that case then becomes
the Medhursts approximations of internal capacity made
by geometry of the inductor expressed as different H/D
ratios. I have not consulted this chart for this case
as I fomerly thought I had found that its influence
was minimal on this case, which I have a point of
confusion here also, if the spacing between wires is
what consists of internal capacitance, which is then
why little exists for this case of 9 turns per inch,
then why does the geometry expressed as the H/D exist
as a predominat factor in determining that internal
capacitance? Getting on with the comparison, I used 3
500 ft spools for a total of 1500 ft which yeilds a
quarter wavelength of .28 mile. Thus one cycle occurs
in 6.1 Us in which the reciprocal of this is around
163,600 cycles per second. Applying the above given
information in meters to the above formula where the
fifth root of 1.52 is given as 1.086 yeilds around
222,600 hz in my calculations. This seems a little off
for a 10% quoted figure of accuracy. Perhaps the
fomula only applies for thinner gauge wire
approximations? Following is Ed Harris' comments on
this formula from the URL. Make sure the top line
reads " (H/D) to the 1/5 power" Note that the
frequency is a very weak function of the aspect ratio
(H/D), but a fairly strong function of the number of
turns and the diameter. This is an adapation of the
formula for Helical Antennas found in Reference Data
for Radio Engineers as well as in the section on slow
wave structures in "Fields and waves in Communication
Electronics" by S Ramo, J R Whinnery, and T D Van
Duzer. A form of this equation also appears in both of
the Corum brother's books: "Vacuum Tube Tesla Coils"
and "TC Tutor" Incidentally, the Corums incorrectly
attribute the analysis of the helix to Kandoian and
Sichak. These guys actually just made a simplification
of the formula reported earlier by JR Pierce (1947)
and Franz Ollendorf (1925) and even more amazing :
Pocklington (1897) (see below).
Malcolms response;
What quarterwave length consideration? The wire? Bad
choice. I've expalined why on a number of occasions.
> also, if the spacing between wires is what consists
of > internal capacitance, which is then why little
exists > for this case of 9 turns per inch, then why
does the > geometry expressed as the H/D exist as a
predominat > factor in determining that internal
capacitance?
Because wire spacing doesn't govern the dominant
capacitance. Actually this opens a can of worms. It
has been argued (rightly in my opinion) that self
capacitance is something of an artificial construct
used to explain the distribution of charge on a
structure (or something similar). I believe the Corums
have something to say about this in a forthcoming work
where the topic of Cself is discussed. Sort of like
defining the speed of light in terms of permeability
and permittivity. Speaking strictly of coil
capacitance in the sense in which we understand it, it
is most likely a function of surface area of the
structure but that is probably not the whole story.
This sounds like a good definition from Malcolm, a
further reply follows.


Following is Malcolms personal reply as tesla list is
down. First he comments on the method of finding the
self resonance of a coil;

You don't need anything beyond a simple oscilloscope
and small aerial probe to monitor the secondary
e-field and determine Fr.
Take any typical secondary coil you like. Either
measure its resonant frequency or calculate it using
Wheeler and Medhurst (always works). You will find in
every case that the coil resonates at a higher
frequency than the same length length of wire strung
out as a monopole would. Always.
You cannot assume that electricity is going to travel
the length of the wire in a helical coil as it would
if the wire was strung up as a vertical monopole. It
just doesn't happen. If you can provide a counter
example to destroy the validity of that assertion I
would be happy to hear it. Tesla, for all his genius
was offbeam on a number of things. He often referrred
to the length of wire but never did his calculations
based on this match reality. You can see this in the
Notes. Another fallacy he laboured under for a long
time was the notion that to get a resonator to
resonate at a particular frequency, you had to "cancel
the inductance" by adding a capacitance (the complex
conjugate) of the inductance of the coil.
Unfortunately that notion assumes that the coil has no
self capacitance and when you know that it has, that
phrase reads like nonsense. Tesla came to the view
later at CS that coils did indeed possess an inherent
capacitance that no amount of trickery could
eliminate. As I tried to point out though, the picture
is probably more complicated than this even. The
notion of capacitance and inductance on a slow wave
structure are probably ideals which make the physics
of the structure more approachable from an intuitive
point of view. They are useful however. The speed of
light is expressed in terms of inductance and
capacitance (eo and uo of free space).. Regards,
Malcolm

HDN postnote/ I think malcolm may be wrong in the case of multiwound
secondaries as then the resonant frequency appers to be lower and not
higher than the quarterwavelenght value. Since a double or even many
multilayered secondary is never used in a tesla coil secondary, this
may have escaped his attention where he has made that statement
"You will find in
every case that the coil resonates at a higher
frequency than the same length length of wire strung
out as a monopole would. Always."
His statement may only apply to single layered solenoidal windings.

When the experimentation is repeated employing an actual clip on the
short does not act in this manner but then causes a discharge as it
should. Thus the previous observation of merely tip to tip contact
not causing a discharge must be due to poor conductivity of one of
the rusty clips. It merely seems strange that the spark should only
occur in this manner. So this aspect is a false alarm.  The circuit
does not charge in a closed loop orientation, which is a rediculous
statement to begin with. Chalk this entry up to experimental error,
which can often happen HDN

As concerning the present wall voltage free energy device thread, it
was now noticed that disconnecting one side from the charging diode
system and leaving one side connected: and then forming a closed loop
for discharge of the cap by connecting the disconnected wire back to
the single diode connection can show a possible unusual aspect of
this single terminal application.

Repeating this momentarily during posting I noticed that the
discharge DOES appear if the remaining cap wire is attached to that
side of the diode output, on the metallic component of that output
section or corner of the full wave rectifier. That is what is
supposed to occur. However if the completion loop clip is touched to
just the other clip connection no discharge occurs and the cap
voltage is only reduced to 150 from the 175. Thus the connection of
one side of the diode system can keep a 150 volt potential on a
closed loop! I dont know if this is due to rusty clips or what not,
but the effect seems very real and demonstratable. At the present
circumstance it takes quite a bit of manipulation to cause that
discharge to work as it should, but it is stated that ordinarily
shorting the loop in this manner seems to only reduce the stored
potential. Thus the circuit in some respects is acting very strange,
how the impressd voltage can keep a potential on the caps that
somehow overrides the short conditions. Doing this short contact to
reduce the voltage to 150 volts and then again removing the wire for
only a one ended charging will then cause a recorded loss of voltage
over several minutes of time to .9 volts left on the cap.
The same thing occurs by direct charging and then disconnection of
one diode output wire. By these observations it is assumed to be an
artifact of the cap discharging across the internal resistance of the
meter when it is set at the voltage setting. I didnt think such a
quick discharging effect should occur however, as I had thought that
meter resistance to be in the megohm range. It is just an unusual
effect worthy of mention.

Another possibility is to employ a larger set of windings or adding
more magnets to alter the height/diameter ratio of the inductor
magnet winding size. As Mikes previous file shows there may be a
proper range for the H/D ratio, even for magnet windings.  HDN

Maximum Inductance of a Coil for a given Wire Length
and Turn Spacing
By Mike Hollingsworth

      The purpose of this paper is to aid in the design
of air core induction coils intended for use with
Tesla coils.  It is well known that the output of a
Tesla coil is limited by the Q, or quality factor of
the system.  This includes, but is not limited to the
Q value of the primary and secondary coils.  This
paper was written to show that the geometry of an air
core induction coil is very important in the design of
Tesla coils.  The Q value of an induction coil is
defined as the inductive reactance divided by the wire
DC resistance.  This indicates that one of the means
of maximizing  the Q value of coils is to use the
largest wire practical.  It has been suggested by some
that the minimum wire size for a Tesla coil secondary
should be 20g.
      The one other means by which to maximize the
output voltage of a Tesla coil is to maximize the
inductive reactance of the secondary coil.   The
inductive reactance is  equal to the frequency times
the inductance times two pi.  The unit of reactance is
ohms.  Since two pi is a constant, there are only ways
to increase the inductive reactance : either increase
the frequency or the inductance.   Increasing the
frequency, unfortunately, has the negative effect of
lowering the inductance by decreasing the quarter wave
length of the wire and the number of turns on the
coil.  This leads to the conclusion that the best way
to improve the Q value of a coil is to maximize its
inductance.

     The Wheeler equation is normally used in coil
design to calculate inductance.
      L = R2*N2 / (9*R + 10*B) uF
R = radius, inches
N = number of turns
B = coil length, inches

       When designing a Tesla coil secondary, the first
thing that one has to do is to choose the wire to be
used.  The second thing is to decide how long this
wire needs to be.  The turn spacing must then be
decided.  Most coils are close wound, but spacing the
turns lowers the distributed capacitance of the coil
which may improve the performance.  The following
derivation will show that for a given wire length and
turn spacing, a geometry can be calculated that gives
maximum coil maximum inductance.
       In designing coils, it is convenient to use
common units of measurements such as feet, inches, and
the inductance in microhenries.  In this derivation,
the letter A will represent the quarter-wave length in
feet.  The letter T will represent the turn spacing
(turns per inch).   The other variables are those in
the Wheeler equation.


A  = quarter wave length, ft
N= number of turns 	 N = A/(2*pi*R/12)  or  6*A/(pi*R)
T = turns/inch
B = coil length, inches 	 B = N/T

Wheeler Equation

L = R2*N2/(9*R+10*B)

substituting for N,

L = R2*(A/(2*pi*R/12)2/(9*R+10*B)
or
L = R2*(6*A/(pi*R))2/(9*R+10*B)

Now substituting N/T for B

L = R2(6*A/(pi*R))2/(9*R+10*N/T)

and then, substituting for N,

L = R2(6*A/(pi*R))2/(9*R+10*(6*A/(pi*R*T)))

which can be reduced to :

L = 36*A2/(pi2*(9*R+60*A/(pi*R*T)))

Now, since the assumption that the frequency and turn
spacing are constant,
A = constant  and T = constant

Since the numerator in this expression is constant,
the maximum of this equation occurs when the
denominator is a minimum.

and,

The denominator is a minimum when its derivative is
equal to zero.

d/dr[ pi2*(9*R+60*A/(pi*R*T))] = 0

or

d/dr[9*pi2*R + (60*A*pi/T)*R-1] = 0


which results in

9*pi2 - 60*A*pi/T * R-2 = 0

Rearranging gives

9*pi2 = 60*A*pi/T * R-2



and still more rearranging gives

R2 = 60 * pi * A/(9 * T * pi2)

Now cancelling the pi gives

R2 = 60  * A/(9*T*pi)

Now remembering that A = N*pi*R/6
substitution will give

R2 = 60  * (N*pi*R/6)/(9 * T * pi)

which reduces to

R = 10*N/(9 * T ) = 10/9 * N/T

and finally, remembering that B = N/T, the equation
results in

R = 10/9 * B

or

R = 1.1111*B

Note:  This result is in close agreement with that
found  in “Electrical Engineers’ Handbook , Electric
Communications and Electronics,Edited by Pender and
McIlwain, copyright 1936, John Wiley and Sons Inc.
which states that the ratio of the diameter to the
coil length should be 2.45 for maximum inductance.

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Today the house aluminum siding was tried as the polar
capacity. This did not appreciably increase the
voltage present between the magnet winding. However it
may have made the circuit able to supply more free
electrons, as the cap draw demonstration conclusively
shows this a free energy draw, and is now quite a
spectacular demonstration by simply knowing one fact,
that the cap discharges that can be shown and the
amount of time it takes to make these disharges, all
from a plug switched to off position, make it
impossible to assume that switch could actually allow
that much "leakage reactance" current into the device,
thus the device is supplying this of its own accord.

It has been mentioned that the magnet winding best
functions to deliver voltage across a load when that
load is made by a single terminal means. The former
polar capacity of a 30 by 40 inch 1 ft elevated ground
plate was able to establish a 55 volt difference
between one magnet side of the winding and that plate.
When that signal was rectified, voltage drops occured
twice,once on mere connection of one side to the diode
system to 44 volts input, and then again almost to
zero volts when cap charging of the other diode
connections were made. This work of charging the 4 uf
cap furthermore reduced the voltage to half of its
starting 55 volt value, and even after thus charging
that cap the source became loaded down AFTER doing the
work of charging a capacitor, as long as those
capacitor connections remained present, the input
voltage only read ~ 22 volts as stated. The cap
connection had to be severed for the stated 44 volts
to reassume itself. These load down effects have now
been almost completely eliminated. What has been done
in this important modification is to take the unused
end of the magnet winding and now directly line tie
that to the  midpoint circuit, which to indicate the
exclusive one endedness of this circuit only needs one
midpoint connection from the BRS
Needle/Water/foil/plate midpoint path. This then makes
the magnet winding the secondary of a resonant
autotransformer, whereas as formerly this was only
inductively coupled by the magnet windings, with one
side of the BRS midpoint potentials plate connected to
one end of the magnet surface pole areas. Turning the
circuit into an Autotransformer magnet winding
secondary will then deliver a ~ 122 volt wall voltage
that does not produce the load down effect formerly
noted. The source voltage does not drop at all when
charging this 4 uf cap. Formerly both these values
started from low values and climbed to 22 volts in 30
seconds. In the new conditions the seemingly lowest
voltage that immediately appears as the monitored cap
voltage is approximately 78 volts! It probably takes 3
seconds to appear as a final 170 volt value.
Disconnecting and shorting the cap produces visible
discharges as would be suspected, and this could be
done every three seconds...

The investigation of employing a grounding rod shows
that in every case, this subverts the process. Since
the process only needs one BRS midpoint terminal to
work, the other BRS terminal was grounded by pole to
see the effect. This reduced the voltage on device to
25 volts. Also when the formerly empty magnet winding
was grounded it completely removed the effect.
Disconnecting the plug and grounding it also delivered
no effect.

About .05 joules are stored at the 170 volt storage of
a 4 uf cap, which represents the full peak of the 122
rms volt input source, which also did not occur in
former testings. This still represents a very low
wattage rate of free energy extraction. HOWEVER, the
pardoxical effect of a 70 volt signal being originally
imposed on the cap means that rapid swithching by
traditional commutation might be possible to increase
the wattage draw. A sort of Marx bank commutation
where a no of caps could be charged in parallel and
then discharged in series seems very possible. This
was a possibility long ago seen as possible by
commutation, but the idea seems faint at the moment
and needs reformulated. Since the circuit is
performing in this remarkable fashion, the next step
seems to be to see if these fast charge times can be
imposed on larger capacities. Of course one knows this
is not possible, but the larger the capacity the more
energy would seem to be collected. In any case it is
the organization of how the energy is collected and
discharged that will make for a good demonstration. We
normally think that a higher voltage is necessary to
display an arc gap, but that arc gap may also fire if
the energy storage is very great, so for a very
primitive try without the Marx bank conversion, a
needle arc gap could be put in parallel to a large cap
value behing used for the storage. This will be tried
when time permits. I am open to suggestions about how
to do efficient electronic switching, which is beyond
my expertise.

The somewhat dangerous wiring arrangement that is
arranged here means that the meter is connected to the
voltage rise of the BRS, so if the plug were to
accidentally actually powered by an inadvertant
turning on of the outlet strip, this would exceed the
750 volt range of the meter. The house siding would
then be electrified to the resonant voltage rise of 15
times the source voltage or around 1700 volts. I will
try lighting neons from the house siding by this
method soon. It is assumed the best thing to do then
is to connect the other neon connecton to ground, but
what normally happens then is that the neon will blink
at the postulated earth resonant frequency. Perhaps
the siding will act to store this energy and act as a
capacitive filter would. The effect of shocks from
such a (ordinary one ended BRS midpoint)system is
fastly reduced when a miniscule arc gap is used. Marc
Metlica accidentally recieved such a midpoint shock at
the teslathon last year. Now in this scenario it is
seen that the magnet is adding energy to the circuit,
as the voltage is greater with its use in the midpoint
path, and no actual arc gap is being used.This circuit
has not yet been tested in actual turn on condition.
It is not yet  scope determined whether a high
frequency component exists on these signals, in the
off position.

A fan motor hooked to this free energy source did load
it down so that only a volt appeared then. It seems
concievable that a very small motor could be powered
without loading down the source. Perhaps a small dc
motor could be put in parallel to the cap. This
process also would not power a conventional mechanical
clock. A variety of loads are being concieved, again
suggestions are welcomed. HDN


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: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: harvich@...
Subject: Radiant/Magnetic Device Only shows.000032
watts extraction.
To: vortex-l@...




Guess thats why this stuff must be useless. In any
case here are some notes concerning this testing.

Semi- Success on TEC's Radiant Energy Tests.

I have mentioned (on vortex) the conceptual
difficulties involved here where the device cannot be
strictly considered an ambient energy device, since it
must be actually plugged into a strip outlet, but
where the the on/off switch on the outlet is in the
off position. The 60 hz resonant circuit / magnet
winding- capacitively coupled ground plate,(30 by 40
inches 1 ft above ground or so.) will show a ~54.7
volt AC signal between a winding end and the plate,
again with the switch in the off position. It was
futhermore noted that the setup included a direct
water aluminum foil connection as pictured on
http://www.egroups.com/group/teslafy This is not the
configuration used in the BRMA which uses a
displacement current only midpoint path, with a
water/glass miniscule capacity as the midpoint current
path of the resonant transformer. The total amount of
resonant input voltage then remains high, causing that
very small charge time of the water /glass capacity to
make multiple rf ringdowns on the input frequency
cycle. Seeing that the circuit was not as I described
it I took the foil out of the water, whereupon the
voltage reading dropped to 15 volts. Reinserting the
foil  into water by finger resumed the circuit to 55
volts and delivered a shocking sensation.

The first try with 250 ns diodes produced no results,
due to the fact that they were 5000 volt rated and
would not trigger conductivity at this low 55 volt
level. The next test was hower successful to charge a
cap, via rectification using ordinary 6 Amp rated
power diodes. A 4 uf capacitor was selected for the DC
storage capacitor.

Severing of the plate connection where the system is
then connected only to a small amount of
(insulated)ground wire path was seen to reduce the
voltage to 34 volts. At the 55 volt plate connection
circumstances, the hooking of one side of the diode
system for input yeilded a voltage drop to 44 volts
measured as the AC potential difference between the
plate and magnet winding. The 4 uf cap was then placed
on the output diode side for charging, and
simultaneous DC voltage monitoring. When this is
initially done with the uncharged cap the voltage
across the 44 volts being measured falls approximately
10 times to 4 volts and begins to rapidly climb in
voltage about 1 volt/sec.
Now a small voltage difference exists between the AC
input voltage and the recorded DC voltage stored on
the cap. At 30 seconds charge time, the DC cap reads
22 volts. At 60 seconds this has only changed to 25.2
volts. At 75 seconds this has leveled off at 26 volts
DC storage, and allows for a measured 24 VAC to still
exist as the voltage across the diode system. Thus
that charged load must be then removed in order for
the Input voltage to resume its semi- diode loaded 44
volts AC. Using the quicker charge time at the 30
second level, let us then compute the wattage of this
apparent free energy device. The energy storage of 22
volts on a 4 uf cap is equal to 1/2CV^2 or
only 9.68*10^-4 joules. Since this takes 30 seconds
this figure is further divided by 30 to determine the
average wattage being extracted in 30 seconds of
operation. This also turns out to be the astonishing
low figure of 3.2*10^-5 watts or only 0.000032 watts.
So even though the project shows hopeful results
initially, they are wattage wise very dissapointing.
The next step should consist of trying the aluminum
siding of the house as the plate connection, and much
larger capacities for storage.  HDN




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Wall Voltage Free Energy Circuit./Pt 1 of 3
As a precursor developement, two postings were made to
vortex list, which is now included in the present
postings as parts one and two. Part three will entail
the present developement of a bonifide charge time of
~170 volts in~ 3 seconds of a DC capacity storage
conversion of this rectification. The sole input to
this device is the amount of leakage reactance that
exists in the outlet switch in the off position, on a
typical ulility strip containing multiple 120 volt AC
plug in receptacles. The present postings are taken
verbatim from dates involved. There was no responces
generated from that list.

HDN: note my mispelling of this below teslafy list
posting, which is why it never reached the newly
formed list. Afterwards I consideredthe results so
meager that posting to this list was not considered. I
see we now have one member besides myself.  I am
dedicated to placing relevant documents to teslafy
list so that they are available as archives. Numerous
problems developed in attempting to Post Mike
Hollisters Inductance Max which is a good point to
start. This a document he mailed to me, a very good
file, but when I transfer it the borders are all
messed up, so I will have to wait for that posting. As
A matter of fact I can try sending the actual Document
as a sent mail so then at least it can be accessed in
the Archives. I will soon try this instead of placing
it in the files section. But to get on with the
present business here is the past history of
developements that were initially considered very
pessimistic to begin with, but now seem very
optimistic parameters for experimental demonstration.
The main factor here in the new model, is that the
magnet winding has been directly line tied to the
midpoint path, whereas before this was only a
inductive connection. This increases the voltage to
that of 120 volt wall voltage conditions, and a very
paradoxical observation of almost instaneous initial
charge time when the cap initially captures this free
energy. This will be noted in part 3.

: Mon, 28 May 2001 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Top of
Subject: A n ACTUAL 55 volt Radiant /Magnetic energy
Device: Another BRS Application.
To: vortex-l@...
CC: teslafy@... (forgot the r!)
Concerning this radiant energy thread, here are some
quite amazing facts concerning radiant or ambiently
derived energy. These are observed from having two
large inductors in 60 hz resonance. These are 60 henry
air core coils. By connecting the series resonances
180 out of phase to the wall plug, we have created a
circuit of resonant voltage rise in both opposite
polarities, similar to what is done in our electrical
distribution system. The ground is neutral and we have
simultaneous delivery of both opposite polarity 120
volt AC signals by a center tapped step down
transformer. To access the 240 one connects the load
to both opposite sides of the voltage source.

Now each of these (60 hz resonant)coils have a q
factor of about 15 in real electrical action. It is
the q factor that determines the voltage rise with
respect to that of the electrical voltage input. Thus
at 120 volts application we have simultaneous voltage
rises in opposite polarities of 15(120)=1800 Volts or
3600 volts between the midpoints. Thus in some
respects we can consider these coils a source of
voltage rise similar to that of a transformer, but
this is a transformer that raises the voltage by
resonance, rather than by ferromagnetic induction. The
important difference that can be shown by this
resonant transformer is that it works on the inverse
principle of an ordinary transformer.
See 3 phase Resonant Transformers vs Ferromagnetic
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/message/3>

"this transformer is substantially different in
operation as it is inverted to common operation... The
(ordinary) transformer can operate with the outside
load connections open or empty and consume minimal
reactive power. The resonant transformer is exactly
the opposite, in that it consumes maximum power with
no load connections, and for some load applications
such as electrolysis,it is surely necessary to make
the voltage input placed to this higher catastrophic
value, which only occurs if infinite resistance is
seen in the interior wye pathways. Also substantially
different in operation is a sort of floating voltage
potential that the output load will see(or apply). A
load of comparatively small resistance will see a
minimal voltage, and a larger resistance a larger
voltage. Thus these transformers then accomplish the
similar action of a current limited secondary of a NST
transformer, that will only supply so much rated
current and can be safely shorted on the secondary. An
ordinarily transformer becomes the catastophic version
if we short its secondary and cause meltdown, it
consumes maximum amperage, whereas the resonant
transformer consumes its minimal amount of amperage
under shorted output condition. Of particular interest
is the application towards the input voltages to a
many celled electrolysisor derived from the resonant
transformer input. The cells arranged in series
compared to the cells arranged in parallel will offer
the same values of voltage across the cells in both
methods with a resonant transformer, whereas a
ferromagnetic transformer will offer different values
when this is done. The voltage the resonant
transformer always gives is the thermoneutral voltage
value for most efficient electrolysis. This eliminates
the problem found in the ferromagnetic method of
making a certain number of cells in series to meet the
correct voltage requirement, thus eliminating
substantial costings of the electrolysis cell design."

Now having established these simple differences let us
return to the simple bipolar resonant model. I have
called this a Binary Resonant System(BRS). Because the
60 henry coils are 1000 ohms,having 9 miles each of 23
gauge wire: 440 volts can be inputed into the system.
What I have shown on my homepage is an example of what
can happen when this is done, and the catastrophic
consequences of stretching the system to the limit.
What happens is that the energy rebounds up the
system, seemingly returning the energy send in. This
is probably ordinarily refered to as rf kick back.

So essentially there is also another very different
aspect to the resonant transformer. If we compare the
BRS to a center tapped transformer, we understand that
the schematic has line symmetry on the secondary side,
each different side is a mirror image of the other in
respective polarity and also on secondary transformer
winding directions: where these are bifilar with
respect to each other. The coils of the BRS can also
be arranged to increase their voltage output by
placing them together in a bifilar fashion, and
retuning for the capacities needed to resonate. The
become bifilar by the fact that since the magnetic
fields are themselves 180 degrees out of phase,
turning one coil around in the opposite orientation
will put the magnetic fields in phase and the
identically wound coils will then appear bifilar with
respect to each other, producing magnetic fields in
unison. Becuse of the mutual inductance effect of both
fields, this raises the q factor for both coils to
make a better voltage rise. The important difference
between the center tapped transformer and the BRS is
that one has line symmetry and the other has point
symmetry. If we turn the  step up transformer around
and run it in reverse, it becomes a step down
transformer. In doing this we are simply reversing the
input and output connections. But when this is done
with the voltage rise shown by the BRS, the analogy
stops. The reverse connections yeild the same results,
the same exact circuit conditions yeilding a step up
of voltage with respect to its input. That is the
meaning of the BRS having point symmetry,IT IS THE
SAME CIRCUIT FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, AS THE INSIDE OUT.

What this seems to imply is that when we create a
large voltage discharge from the system, that voltage
discharge itself will momentarily act as a source of
emf with the circuit working backwards torwards its
source. The net result is that another discharge
occurs at the source, where it has apparently again
gained voltage on the bounce back. If this doesnt
border on a free energy pricinple further evidence can
show that. That is made by actual meter measurements
as will be shown. But for others to see and compare
the discharges I have set up a bottom page linked
electrical kick back video on my homepage at
<http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/Homepage.html>

This is a 33 sec mpeg that may show difficulties in
loading. Sometimes only 13 seconds will load on the
first play. Shutting down the window and reopening it
seems to then display the full 33 seconds where the
more spectacular kickback discharges occur. There also
appear to be precursor events to the large discharges.
Some jpegs of these can be found at files under 1.5 cm
needle arc gap and kickbacks at
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy>

Now to try and get to the point of all this is the
radiant energy aspect. It was noticed that if one of
the potentials of the BRS were hooked to ground, it
did some really funny things. In household voltage
input it will ordinarily cause a neon bulb to blink at
about 12 hz, if one end is connected to a BRS high
voltage potential and the other is grounded. Two bulbs
from each potential do not want to do this and one
will predominate. A smaller 15 watt florescent will
not blink but display a steady discharge, and will
prevent another neon from the other BRS potential
discharging some 50 ft away on its grounded
connection.. In some applications of attempting to
send high frequency into the earth for gardening
applications, it was noticed that an oscilloscope
monitoring this earth line by sensor inductor would be
completely disabled on the scope trace,(none would
appear) on all but the highest voltage setting. In
making these connections I was dismayed at receiving
shocks, and wondered how that could be since the
device was turned off. As it turns out, the way you
turn the BRS off has everything to do with getting
shocked. Most of us assume that when we have a utility
strip having several places to plug devices into, that
if it has an on/off switch, turning off that switch
will not allow current conduction through those
devices connected by plug. Better than relying on
memory here on these figures,tonight I have retested
them. Actual meter measurements of the BRS show that
on turn from wall voltage on it consumes 192 ma.
Turning the strip outlet switch to off, the current
reads .017 ma on the input lines. Current still exists
in the system, this current was measured before turn
on so it is not some kind of long lasting delay due to
it being a 60 hz resonant circuit. Now shorting the
midpoints where a voltage rise would occur, the amp
meter then is reduced to .010 ma. Shorting the
midpoints of the series resonances, or what is
normally the high voltage sources from the circuit,
turns the entire circuit from being series resonant to
being  parallel resonant with a resonant rise of
amperage within the circuit. The Q of the BRS in tank
condition is reduced to 10. The normal amperage
figures for wall voltage input are .25 ma input and 10
times this value or 2.5 ma across the midpoint path.
Measuring the midpoint amperage with the outlet strip
turned off shows .068 ma. Measuring the open circuit
voltage of that path shows .285 volts. Now completely
pulling the plug from the outlet strip will normally
make all these amperage figures go to zero. This must
be done while internally working on the circuit, or
one will feel these small shocks. In fact there is
even a visible arc formed by touching the midpoint
potential to a ground rod, with the circuit connected
to the off position on the outlet strip which is why
the plug must be fully separated from that connection,
when working with the bare wire components.

  So as far on working on this principle I decided to
give up on it, since an open circuit voltage can be
made, but no amperage derived from it.That was until
tonights test. The fact that amperages do seem to come
from the closed switch probably has to do with the
fact that the circuit is somehow being capacitively
coupled to ground since one side of our household
electrical delivery is grounded.

Pulling the plug on the midpoint voltage measurements
will reduce the .285 volts to .22 volts. This side of
the circuit has copper bars attached to it so more
free electrons for oscillation are available from its
surface areas. Since the BRS is the same thing when it
is inverted, one can also measure a continuous .14
volts from the plug itself. The unusual thing here is
that normally mesuring the amperage from the plug is
zero, even though the voltage will be measured.
However tonights test shows a this to be possible from
the actual midpoints where the bars are attached.
Pulling the plug will still show a conduction of .028
ma, down from .068 ma.  Placing ones finger across the
input plug will reduce this to .014 ma. Thus in any
case without anything coupled to ground the BRS takes
in ~(.014)(.22)= .003 watts from the ambient
environment.

Curiosity getting the best of me I just ran in to
retest conditions at the actual input plug. As it
turns out the system will produce amperage, provided
the midpoint path is open. At open midpoint path the
plug reads .189 volts and .014 ma amperage when the
meter is selected to amperage. Shorting the midpoint
pathe the meter reads .31 volts across the plug and
then zero amperage. These readings can vary
tremendously as to the time of day and as the sun is
coming up, the conditions change dramatically. The
.014 ma measurement has gone done to about .004 ma
from 5 to 5:30 AM. Nightime may give better
measurements, in line with the cosmic ray hypothesis.

Now these are very small measurements of no
consequence however the principle seems to have been
increased by the use of magnets. What was done here
was to allow three 4 by 6 by 1 inch ceramic magnets to
be connected by surface area plate to one of the high
voltage potentials of the BRS. The other potential is
connected by needle to water surface, and then glass
as the midpoint connection. This is the Binary
Resonant Magnetic Amplifier shown at
<http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mag.html>

As is shown, a single layer of speaker  winds around
this three inch  magnet stack when placed in
conjunction with a proper large dual capacitive plate
arrangement in 4 ft of space will be an LC resonant
combination that the MWO plate on the top surface of
the magnet delivers to the magnet. By finding this a
good LC combination we can conclude that the process
is causing the magnet to naturally resonate at some
1.5 million hz, where the LC combination being
resonant to that frequency will enable the shown
disharge of two 20 inch neons. MWO or Lakhovkies
description of Multiple Wave Oscillations  to the BRS
was incorrectly attributed by the following fact: That
the high induction coils can be put into an arcgap
midpoint connection,as shown in the video and vastly
slowed down in time by the 1.5 cm arc gap distance,
which induces the coils into high frequency. But every
coil that we put into the magnetic field sensor to
determine what that frequency is(during much faster 60
BPS arcing) will display a different result. The
actual result is that the high induction coil process
makes the sensor coils themselves ring at their own
respective natural resonant frequency, generally
determined by the length of the wire and geometry of
the sensing inductor. We cannot easily determine or
measure what that actual natural resonant frequency of
oscillation is on the high induction coils themselves,
but using the quarter wavelength consideration, when
the arc occurs, 9 miles of wire exist on both sides of
the arc to produce this electrical standing wave, so
At 186,000 miles per second the electrical reverse
conduction,(which is what occurs in a series/parallel
resonant switching that this arc creates) would allow
for the backfire to arrive 9/186,000 seconds later on
both coil endings.
Now this time period where we assume the impulse to be
returning at the speed of light we are given, that
only represents 1/4 of the whole wave of the standing
wave that appears. To determine the frequency of this
standing wave we multiply that time period by 4, and
take the inverse to find a frequency of 5166 hz in
this instance. Now it is also known that since large
interwinding capacity exists and also a large
inductance, this inhibits the standing wave to a
considerable degree.  MWO measurements show A typical
Radio Shack 22 gauge 100 ft coil has its quarter
wavelength value reduced 5 fold from what the length
of wire by calculations would show. It stands to
reason that since the speed of light itself is
inhibited by some mediums, that the medium of the self
created magnetic field this electrical impulse might
create existing on a large inductance is itself
correspondingly slowed down in time. Given the fact
that the Radio Shack coils  may only have several
hundreds of adjacent windings, where a 5 fold
reduction in natural resonant frequency is observed,
comparing this to the 20,000 some winds on the 9 mile
coils, one cannot begin to estimate the actual
reduction of  the time period for the true reflection
to appear back at its source, but as the kickback
video shows, this may actually only be a fraction of a
second or so. In that case scenario the electrical
standing wave being created may actually be a slower
propagation impulse then the actual frequency impulse
that excited it, and not a shorter time period than
the actual source frequency being used to create it!

In any case we have something that has such a low
natural resonant frequency that it cannot be easily
measured, but it will make everything else around it,
including the human body to ring at its own natural
resonant frequency, which can also be interpreted as a
much higher harmonic of the unknowable true vibration.
In fact during high BPS(burst per second) applications
the reverse impulse may not have the time period to
naturally reach its source before another burst
appears, thus eliminating the backfire effect.

In any case to end this long posting, the currents
derived from the magnet being stimulated have special
qualities, in fact those currents are the best used
for body treatment and electrohorticulture and
ozonation(with no visible arcing, only neon
discharge!) Plants exposed to a 30 by 40 inch plate
will become electrostatically attracted to the human
body at a 200 volt input, which delivers a mild high
frequency shock. At one point in experimentation a
primitive water cell and the  meter measured voltage
drop across the cell was put into magnet winding
circuit. Seeing the meter malfunctioning I went to
examine it, and getting quite a good skin effect shock
from the plastic casing of the meter. This should not
happen. Also examination of the EM emmited by these
magnetic circuit bulbs show that more high frequency
ringdowns than that time period will allow can occur,
where these form a summation pattern that shows a
quantum like appearance. In this process as we turn up
the sweep rate to examine the no of rf bursts per
cycle, the different sweep rates reveal different
information as to this true no, because this is
obscurred by summation at the ordinary source
frequency 2ms/div sweep rate, where these no of RF
burst /cycle are ordinarily viewable as shown on the
mag webpage.(At the higher input voltages the no of rf
bursts/cycle are not decipherable at that sweep rate)
Also the voltage selection showing the amplitude of
these signals. What happens is that in viewing a many
traced signal at the higher frequency sweep rate
selection, where we conclude that each of these traces
are one of the rf bursts on the cycle, when we turn
the voltage selection range down, instead of the
amplitudes of the signals being increased as should
occur we get many more scope traces than the previous
selection gave, but at the same voltage amplitude! In
this way I have made many jpegs showing multitraced
scoped forms at high sweep rates, as it truly becomes
an heisenberg gig where the instrument recieving that
information will recieve that information in different
forms depending how it looks at it. But again to get
to the remarkable end of the story here, the discovery
became that of the fact that the BRMA itself functions
as a sort of radiant energy device. This has not even
been remotely explored if someone can recomend a
better collection circuit, where I have already
suggested one to try at this conclusion. Now this is a
real circuit that appears to deliver 55 volts between
the bottom plate  of the air capacity which is a 30 by
40 inch aluminum foil on plastic supports 1 ft above
ground. This is the amount of voltage that can only be
measured with nothing turned on. It is not measured
with the switch turned on because that is the voltage
that already been shown to light 20 inch neons and
would surely ping the 750 volt max AC ratings on the
meter. Now again, without anything being turned on,
one can remove the top needle/ water connection and
the voltage is then reduced to 5 volts, so both
polarities are required for the process. When the plug
is completely removed from the outlet this potential
that appears is fully reduced to .5 volts( where these
have mostly all been low scale rms AC voltage and
amperage scale readings and measurements.) My
conclusion is that something is missing here in the
equation, one ought to be able to make the circuit
produce the 55 volts without resorting to the plug in
of a switch turned in the off position! Perhaps the
aluminum siding of the house would be a better top
plate connection, or perhaps a direct ground
connection will provide for this. Now another
initially discouraging measurement was found again in
the corresponding amperage  measurement between the
magnet winding coil and the capacity plate which again
shows zero amps. But this is not remarkable at all.
Only one side of that capacity was used to make these
measurements. This implies the system might be
improved so I decided to try this... Alas, connecting
the top plate 4 ft above as the completion of LC
circuit reduced the voltage measurement to 38 volts.
Perhaps an extra 30 some volts then also exists
between the other end of the magnetic winding and its
identical sized top plate? Nevertheless this seems to
be a possible correct approach, and I will try this
and report back if the results are of any
significance. As I have mentioned the fact that no
amperage flow can be found by meter, this is not
remarkable at all. We assume that the frequency that
must be occuring itself is 60 hz, since it is coming
off a set of windings from a magnet which is surface
area contacted to a 60 hz resonant circuit. Given the
stated 80 pf or so as the C value, the amount of
capacitive reactance current existing at 55 volts/60
hz AC would be miniscule to begin with. But it might
be worth the effort to try and make a DC collection
circuit.

I will put the circuit back to 55 volts using only the
bottom  capacitive plate and one end of the magnet
winding. I will then scrouge up a diode system,
hooking two of the corners at the radiant voltage
source being measured by meter. A fast 250 ns diode
assembly is available. I should be able to connect the
diode output to another capacitor and see if this can
charge that capacitor! A concurrent DC voltage meter
measurement on that storage capacitor should indicate
whether the system is charging! These exciting
measurements and concurrent postings have kept me up
all night, but I hope to immediately try this and post
back...

Sincerely Enthusiastical HDN





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I am soon ordering 3 of these wafers for testing. If
anyone is taking advantage of this offer, it seems
most generous at 10 dollars. The cost of SrFe
magnetised samples of this size is $25.00 from Dexter
Magnetics in Toledo.

I have seen them magnetize samples of this size years
ago when they were called Permag, before they got
bought out. Consumes 60 amps. Now they make the
customer wait in the lobby! Typical big corporation
takeover BS. They quoted me a cost of 1 dollar to
magnetize, or included that as a magnetization cost.
Thus people really wanting these slabs magnetized will
pay far more in the mere shipping and handling if you
use them for magnetisation.

Now that these samples are here and the list members
dont know what to do with them, and the whole subject
of special magnetisation techniques rears its ugly
face of reality, you should finally all realize the
importance of my ferrite capacity postings. If you
will look in the archives in 9 thoughts on things or
TEC Brute force this becomes particularly relevant.

There are 3 ways to measure the capacity of the
wafers. Across the widest surface areas, across the 4
inch sides, or across the 6. An interesting aspect may
be the difference of capacity whether the sample is
magnetised across the width or not. Each of these
measurement techniques should yeild a different
dielectric constant as I have indicated in nonlinear
post. Additionally the angle to gravity, to the
different vector angle to gravity can influence the
capacity. The same horizontal capacity may yeild a
different value when placed vertically. This is
surmised to be due to the relative pressures on plates
induced by the weight of the samples themselves, and
how that weight exerts pressure on the plates. This
fact has also confounded my efforts to construct what
I have called a flux capacitor, a ferrite capacity at
right angles to magnetic flux, inputed by method of
poly phased resonances.

There does not seem to be a specific resonant
frequency for a magnetic material per se, but rather
the capacity of a sample can resonate with a
particular L value paired to it, provided that the
input frequency matches that LC combination by
Thompson Resonance formula R(f)=1/2(pi)sq rt{LC}
Thus the resonant frequency has more to do with
geometry rather than calculations based on a capacity
determined by dielectric constants, which in turn is
found to be dependent on the geometry of a sample.
This fact that dimensions enter the equation is rather
reminiscent of what tesla coilers know as the Medhurst
corrections for resonant frequency. In that
consideration it is shown that the geometry of the
secondary made by the height/diameter ratio will also
influence the internal capacity inherent in that
secondary coil, thus changing the needed top load
polar capacity that such a tesla coil might use to its
greatest advantage.

I dont know how many people past Floyd Sweet have
stimulated a magnet to deliver overunity, or like the
Searl mythos has been able to imprint a magnet with a
motional emf. However I do know one thing, I have
found a practical application for all of this,
although that is not yet a self runner or a long days
ringdown. This topic list I have now created ranges
from high frequency stimulation of plant life, to
ozonation of water, to magnet powered Rife Bulbs ect.,
although none of this has yet been posted. So due to
some off topic spinoffs of this list I have elected to
create another list entitled Teslafy, found at
http://www.egroups.com/group/teslafy

Where the interests of both lists here coincide I will
continue to post to both lists.


What I would recommend to experimentors on this list
is that the unmagnetised material be formed as
capacities that can resonate to an inductor, and that
investigations modeling the use of ferrite as a
capacity topload in an interphasal arc discharge "ala
a poly phase tesla coil system" be investigated. I am
leading in this kind of work by now conducting
investigations with 3 phase at 476 hz, derived by an
ordinary AC converted car alternator.
We never need to confine our research to the
parameters of a supply line dictated 60 hz, so I would
urge the serious magnet researcher to procur his own
practical higher than supply grid frequency source
made by a motor driven AC alternator conversion. This
makes it much easier to make an "LC Resonant
combination to satisfy Thompsons formula necessary to
resonate at the source frequency".

This becomes an exceedingly prohibitive venture when
made at 60 hz. The cost of a High Voltage Binary
Resonant System at 60 hz is easily $1000.00 for the
two spools of wire each containing 9 miles of 23 gauge
magnet wire on 13 inch height plastic spools to make
an approximate pair of 60 henry coils. Yet here to
now, this is the only setup investigated to be able to
stimulate Sr Fe mentioned size wafers to release
significant electrical energy. Measurements of EM
radiation around  neon bulbs produced by NST's  show
that hundreds of times more EM radiation is made by a
similar amount of voltage generated by resonant
voltage rise of air core coils. It is this same freely
vibrating high voltage source that enables a magnet to
deliver free vibrations by surface contact, whereas
the "stiff spring" of an equal ferromagnetic voltage
source will not accomplish this.

The hitch on this effort that at first seems
remarkable and has been posted before as
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/mag.html

is that it takes far more ~(3 times) the electrical
input energy on the coils than what the magnets
themselves seem to deliver. However this is with a
mere single layer of speaker winds around the magnets.
If fact in the progression of that page I had changed
the jpegs showing bulb output from 4 inch bulbs to the
current simultaneous 20 inch discharges.

So it is easy to end here with the following
observation; few people have been able to stimulate a
magnet to deliver electrical energy as I have shown on
that web page. If anyone has been able to produce dual
20 inch neon discharges from a 3 magnet wafers of this
size, I would certainly like to know about it.


The Sweet VTA cadre needs to become more informed on
the traditional methods of high frequency
transformers, and how that can apply to the capacity
of magnetised ferrites vs its traditional use as an
inductive material. So I invite the members to have a
check on the small postings I have placed on this new
list, and to check out the 70 watt Binary Resonant
Water arc discharge I have placed as the main jpeg. It
will take a long time to get relevant tesla coil files
added to these files, as here on this teslafy list we
are also concerned with high frequency as it may
interact with magnetic materials. This is considered
off topic on the major tesla coil discussion list,
which has not even recognized the significance and
difference of the arc gap method that I have referred
to as a binary resonant one. To try and fathom this
difference, please read the first posting on this list
at http://www.egroups.com/group/teslafy which
describes what Nikola Tesla first patented as a high
frequency transformer for lighting.

Sincerely Harvey D Norris
Tesla Electric Co.


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When possible when reposting;the original letters will be posted to
show the evolution of things over time.

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:19:01 PDT
From: "Harvey Norris" <tesla4@...>
To: freenrg-l@...
Subject: 3rd diagram try

Binary Resonant Arc Gap schematic;
   In posting this to another discussion
list I noticed that when I drew the schematic
on word pad and pasted into excite compose
mail it came out garbled because of different
font sizes? I am therefore attempting to write this
again directly from the mailbox this time, forgive if it is garbled.
                   0
                   !
            -----------------
            !               !
            !               !
           cap             coil
            !               !
            !------ X ------!
            !               !
           coil            cap
            !               !
            !---------------!
                    !
                    0
  Cap and coils are identically designated
to resonate at the input frequency. X is the
placement of the arc gap. 0's are AC input.

  Arc across gap represents special tank circuit occurring
as two caps in series being in parallel with two coils in
series. As such its respective inductances and capacitances
are doubled in this circumstance. However this doubling
only serves to double the internal resistance of that
experienced in a SINGLE parallel resonant. It does not
change the frequency at which the circuit resonates.
(In the experiments I made L and C were given values
to resonate at 120 v , 60hz,with identical values on
each side of course.) This tank circuit has the special
distinction of allowing the midpoint path where the arc
occurs to be shared by both the inductive AND
capacitive branches of current flow; however these
expressed currents are themselves opposite or 180 phased.
BECAUSE of the fact that this current path itself
is shared in OPPOSITE directions by both, instead of
a cancellation effect a doubled negative occurs in which
these currents that are normally 180 out of phase are
then in unity across this pathway,thus the measured current
on closed switch position or dead short is twice that
of the sides alone.
       It should then be obvious that the open switch
position (which in this air gap analogy represents the
quenched arc) then represents an entirely new condition:
that of two series resonant phases at 180 phasing. At
the moment one phase experiences a positive resonant
rise of voltage the other produces a negative. Thus the
measured voltage BETWEEN the midpoints where the
arc occurs is then TWICE that of either side alone.
Indeed it is this dual opposite rise of voltage on each
side that enables the arc to take place in the first place.
In the 56 H binary system intially constructed this voltage
rise was about 30/1 enabling a high frequency effect
form the arc gap to accur at wall voltage conditions
alone without the use of a step up transformer!
Further modifications produced a typical tesla arcing
across a water capacity that was impressive in that this
1/3 inch discharge of miniature lightening is produced
at an energy discharge estimated at 10 watts input!
      The condition during arcing changes  the condition of
minimum or zero reactance to that of one of maximum
impedance  which in the case of large inductors where
the q's of the coils have caused the ignition at the spark
gap, the instant withdrawal of this resonant rise of voltage
to a new condition of practically no voltage at the arc gap,
contradicted by the new condition of resonant rise of
amperage instead of  voltage rise still nevertheless very
efficiently quenches the arc which is usually violet or blue
disharges. Again whether this same kind of arc gap
used in conjunction with two tesla primaries could be
made is open to experimentation. Sometimes more
important agendas assert themselves.
       IT SHOULD BE SEEN THAT THIS TANK CIRCUIT
CONSISTS OF TWO SERIES L AND C  BRANCHES
IN PARALLEL WITH THE DISTINCTION THAT IT
HAS BEEN TWISTED INTO A FIGURE 8, MAKING
A NEW PATHWAY SHARED BY BOTH SIDES
FROM OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS WHEREBY
AN ARC GAP IS PLACED AT THIS MIDPOINT.
THIS REPRESENTS A FLUCTUATION
BEWEEN SERIES  AND PARALLEL RESONANCES
RATHER THAN AN OSCILLATION IN AND OUT
OF PARALLEL RESONANCE AS OCCURS IN A
TYPICAL TESLA PRIMARY. AN OBJECTION
MAY BE MADE THAT THE RESONANT RECHARGING
METHOD IN TESLA PRIMARY ARC GAPS INCORPORATES
BOTH A SERIES AND PARALLEL CONFIGURATION,
BUT AS THE POSITION OF THE ARC GAP SHOWS
IN THE SCHEMATIC, THIS METHOD IS ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT THE FORMER. HDN

Since reactive and true power measurements often
befuddle the free energy researcher, I have decided to
repost this from  past writings. As one will see we
should not ordinarily assume that the magnetic field
from an inductor is actually 90 degrees out of phase
from its source voltage, as that only applies in the
ideal case.

We ordinarily assume by electrical laws that the
current on an inductor is 90 degrees out of phase with
its AC voltage source. It is also known however that
this only applies to an ideal inductor of zero
resistance. Thus the currents are not exactly 90
degrees out of phase with their source voltages on
real inductors. An interesting question, given a 60
henry coil of 1000 ohms, and a lower resistance  12
ohm inductor of .15 Henry, which of the inductors are
more perfectly 90 degrees out of phase?

Before attempting to dicipher the answer to the above,
it is useful to consider the definition of a true
power input, which has confused me before. For the
example of the 60 Henry coil, plugging the 1000 ohm
coil into  the 60 hz,120 volts AC input results in a
reactive power measurement of the rms voltage times
the rms amperage. This becomes 5 ma* 120 volts or VI.
However the TRUE power input becomes the reduction
made by the multiplication of cos (phi) to VI. It is
seen that this then equals I^2R on the coil.

Here are some useful references from Herbert W
Jackson's "Introduction to Electric Circuits"
concerning Power in Alternating Circuits

"Since a pure inductance in an ac circuit
alternately takes from and returns to the source equal
amounts of energy, THE AVERAGE OR TRUE POWER IN A PURE
INDUCTOR IS ZERO."[Introduction to Electric Circuits,
Herbert W Jackson, pg 387]

As can be imagined a PURE capacitance is defined
in the same way as a PURE inductance. Because of the
reactance there is no true (average)power input. This
is because during one half cycle energy is being
stored in either magnetic or electric fields and in
the next half cycle it is being returned. That is the
reason and necessity for the term average. At any
particular moment in time there MAY be a power input,
but the total AVERAGE power input over cycle time is
zero. Now concerning a pure resistance; from pg 385,
"Since the voltage drop across a pure resistance must
be exactly in phase with the current through it, the
instantaneous voltage and current reach their peak
values simultaneously. Therefore whenever i is a
positive quantity, e is also a positive quantity; and
whenever i is a negative quantity, e is also a
negative quantity. Since the product of two negative
quantities is a positive quantity, the instantaneous
power graph for a pure resistance is always positive."

Now what happens when we are making the power
curve for the pure inductance example is that the
impressed amperage lags behind the impressed voltage
by 90 degrees. Since the instantaneous power curve is
the voltage times the amperage charted out over time,
this product will be a sine wave of twice the
frequency of the input frequency. This is because at
every quarter cycle of the input frequency either the
voltage or amperage quantities have reached zero in
their polarity change. Again the average power is
zero, since power in = power out. Now let us see what
Jackson says about adding a "true" resistance into the
reactive circuit. From pg 390;

"The instantaneous power graph for an ac circuit
containing both resistance and reactance is again a
sine wave of twice the frequency of the voltage and
current. But the instantaneous power graph is neither
all positive, as in the case of a pure resistance, nor
equally positive and negative, as in the case of a
pure reactance. Since the instantaneous power graph is
more positive than negative, there is an average or
true-power component, which represents the true-power
input to the resistance portion of the circuit. A
portion of the positive instantaneous power is offset
by the negative instantaneous power TO ACCOUNT FOR THE
REACTIVE POWER OF THE REACTANCE OF THE CIRCUIT."
Jackson now describes the condition of power in a
circuit containing resistance and reactance.
"If a circuit consists of equal resistance and
inductive reactance in series, the current lags the
the applied emf by 45 degrees. Therefore when we plot
the instantaneous power it is a positive quantity
between 0 and 135 degrees and becomes a negative
quantity only for the short period of time between 130
and 180 degrees." Glancing at this graph in the text,
it is also noted that the area under the negative
portion is also very small compared to the positive
portion. So at least here we can see that there is not
quite a linear relationship of the amount of returned
energy by varying the phase angle conditions from 90
degrees to 45.

Now here is how I made my monumental error of
assuming that the apparent power was equal to the true
I^2R value. I had noticed that in resonance that only
one of the equations for power would be valid.
Ordinarily from Ohms Law V=IR. The Power requirement
ordinarily means that multiplying both sides of the
equation by I yeilds VI=I^2R. But these quantities are
not equal in resonance, or the way I understood
things,(which has already been shown to be wrong!) To
give an example the 1000 ohm 56 henry coil will
experience a voltage rise during series resonance, so
a meter measurement of the voltage times the amperage
will give a VI that does not equal I^2R, but a much
higher value. Therefore for series resonance I^2R must
be used for the true power input. By this
understanding and the fact that I thought that I
understood the meaning of VI being the apparent power
of a reactive curent; I simply deduced that the
reactive power measurement method yielded a result far
higher than the actual true power input. Therefore I
THOUGHT I knew what this meant, but evidently I did
not. Now for the inverse condition of parallel
resonance because of the parallel resonant rise of
amperage if the power were measured with the amperage
term I^2R inside the circuit it would yeild another
false reading of the true input power,being far
greater than the true input power; thus to derive it
in that case the true power would be derived by VI as
measured in the input. So in all this confusion I
assumed that in the inductor case of reactive current,
since there was no resonant rise of voltage, that VI
WOULD EQUAL I^2R. This is where I made MY STUPENDOUS
ERROR! I knew that in the non resonant condition the
amount of current in the new phase angle condition
had already been reduced from the resonant current
conditions by whatever phase angle that inductance
made in the new phase angle. This is why I reasoned
that it was okay to call VI the apparent power,and
that this should equal the true power because the
amount of amperage in that circuit had already been
reduced by the new larger phase angle. This is then
why I then considered it heresy to say that to find
the true power input the cos of the phase angle must
be multiplied by that result. I now FINALLY understand
that when this is done it yeilds the I^2R quantity,
which is the true power expended on the inductor. So
sorry for all the Hoi Poloi here, I have seen the
error of my ways. At least I have finally done so, and
have actually been convinced of the truth.

Now in this circumstance the Q of the coils, or the
ratio of X(L)/R seems to be the parameter for
determining the true phase angle. Thus the larger coil
has a ~20,000 ohms X(L)/1000 ohms resistance. Thus
refering to trigonometry we have X(L) as the y axis,
and R as the x axis and also the fact that we know
that tan(phi)=y/x or 20.

Thus the arctan of 20= 1.52 in radians.  To obtain the
conversion to degrees we multiply by 180 degrees/pi
radians where the radians then cancel yeilding
1.52*(180/pi)=87.08 degrees
For the low resistance 12 ohm inductor @ .15 Henry we
find the inductive reactance to be X(L)=2(pi)*freq*L
or 6.28(60)(.15)= 56.5 ohms. Taking this as the y
quantity and again forming the ratio of its resistance
as the quantity to be found as the arctan solution for
the phase angle we can then generally conclude that
arctan(Q)=arctan(56.5/12)=1.36 rad= 78 degrees.

Thus here in this example we can see the larger the Q
the greater the phase angle of the reactive currents.
Speaking of reactive currents being 90 degrees out of
phase with the voltage is then strictly a misnomer,
Imagined as the condition of a described IDEAL
component of zero resistance and not a  REAL component
having resistance, as these calculations have shown at
60 hz it takes a VERY LARGE inductance to even become
close to a REAL 45 degree phase angle in its reactive
condition.

Sincerely HDN

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I am reposting this document from a tesla list posting
of Jan 2001 to explain the differences of 3 phase
resonant transformers versus the conventional
ferromagnetic.

The two trinity web pages I have made are only a case
of making a resonant three phase transformer, in
contrast to the normal ferromagnetic method. See
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/trin3.html
Others can do the same thing without using massive L
components as I have done by simply using a higher
input frequency, or spinning the alternator faster. I
have outlined the differences  between ferromagnetic
and resonant transformers below. The resonant voltage
rises were done in delta sections, each voltage rise
made further by more LC resonances placed as another
delta inside the former delta from the midpoints of
the former triangle. Since I have made a schematic for
this, there is no mystery, only straightforward series
resonant rise of voltage where the L quantities are
given the proper C values to resonate to the input
frequency. The first stage was successful to take a 19
volt input from the alternator and light 15 watt
florescents. The second stage was successful to then
light neons. The third stage was unsuccessful to
display much arcing, but did provide a smaller voltage
rise. This is something that will be returned to as
nothing has actually been tuned, and the third stage
was a very haphazard effort where the coils should
have been placed on top of the stage two resonance,
but were instead wired to another room because of
winter conditions in the garage. But since I am only
inputing 60 watts max to begin with (having not yet
added a step up transformer), I didnt really expect
much from stage 3 to begin with.

     Sorry for all the pasted ramblings, but when I am
wrong I will admit so. I agree that the Hutchison
material borders on psuedo science. Just for the
record here is what I am saying. Anytime you run a
short between two 180 phased series resonances, across
the circuits midpoints, that changes the circuit into
one figure 8 tank circuit of 4 times more internal
resistance, then that contained in the dual 180 phased
series resonances in parallel. This can be shown by
anyone assembling an series resonant dual opposing
parallel LC circuit from a signal generator, since 60
hz resonant circuits are themselves costly to build.
When this method was tried with very large induction
coils, it was found that an arc gap along this short
midpath would be very self quenching, producing good
high frequency effects from its air core construction.
I have also tried this method with a large amperage
system in 60 hz resonance of 15 [14 gauge coils of 500
ft on each side in series], where the arc gap did not
perform satisfactorily consisting of merely large
staccato pops(Lower voltage at arc gap, attempting to
regulate a 12 amp consumption) But the actual short
shows the same condition, it changes the two series
resonances into one parallel resonance. I have
suggested that this method might also be employed by a
set of dual tesla primaries. I am now trying a mini
version of this idea using the Radio Shack dual mega
speaker cable as the coiled spiral primaries. The
advantage to this method is that the combined
primaries mutual inductance is almost 4 times that of
one primary. The reason for this can be found in
teslas "Coil for Electromagnets" where I have
discussed why I consider some analysis and even the
claims made on the patent itself as qualifying as a
myth. This and the patent link can be found at my
messageboard under Myth of Tesla Patent 512,340.
      To continue here to the three phase application,
a simple thought occured. If the three phases were
loaded by three series resonances, would not running a
short wire between the midpoints of those series
resonances do the same thing? So this was tested and
the answer is yes with some complications, involving
the fact that I did not procure a 4th return wire when
the alternator conversion was made. That leaves only 3
120 phased voltage terminals. The confusion concerning
delta and wye connections to the three loads is made
by simple facts of how can you hook 3 loads up? There
are only two ways to do it. Connecting one end of the
series resonances(made in ordered directions) to each
of the terminals only leaves two options. Either you
connect the other end to the adjacent phase for a
delta connection or you hook all 3 ends in common,
making it a wye connection. Now I have scoured some
textbooks to find references for what I am talking
about, but have found none. The textbooks state that
either delta or wye connections are made, but they do
not indicate that if they are series resonant loads,
that shorting the midpoints will then make them into 3
tank circuits. But it is also very much common sense
when this schematic is looked at, that the series
resonances can be reinterpreted as  3 tank circuits
attached in wye,WITH all the connections on the wye
being shared with another phase as a common loop
connection.. In any case that circuit offers an
outside path of series resonances, and a inside path
of tank circiuts where the shared amperages amount to
1.73 of the total tank circuit.where the wye bisects
the three delta seires resonances. If resistive loads
are placed on the interior wye, the device acts as a
resonant transformer. Im sure folks have heard of
delta/wye conversions where one schematic can be
transposed to another, and new ohmic values assigned
to the resistors in order for those circuits to be
deemed identical in amperage consumptions. But that is
NOT what I am referring to. What I am referring to is
the fact that if 3 series resonances are powered in 3
phase delta, then schematically changing them into
three tank circuits will involve the insertion or
transposition of the circuit made by a wye connected
across the S.R. delta midpoints. Likewise(but
untested) would be the fact that if the series
resonances were arranged in WYE, then the insertion of
a delta short path across those midpoints should
create three tank circuits. I doubt if anyone can
disproove these facts.

Do I employ much speculation? Yes I do for the
interest of discovery. If I had not speculated to
begin with I would have never made the AC alternator
conversion and went to proove something deemed
impossible by some. Why is it deemed impossible?
Because it seems to defy electrical common sense at
first glance. The outside delta quantities that
consume an amperage dictated to be close to their ohms
law conduction values consist of one current path that
would be deemed the predominant one. The other current
path made by the  interior insertion of a wye at
series resonant midpoints should only represent
another alternative current path, whose ratio of q
squared less amperage consumption in tank condition
would be assumed to only be a portion of total
amperage consumption, as if we were to typically treat
this as another branch in parallel. Since its
impedance on that interior branch is vastly greater
than the  impedance lacking resistive currents on the
outer branchways, by ordinary DC law (analogy) that
outer branchway will always contain the predominant
amperage. But of course we are not dealing with DC
laws but laws of AC resonance. In AC resonance the
path of highest impedance is taken in preferance to
that of one of lower impedance,where these appear to
be possible as parallel pathways in the circuit: {This
is what happens in the wye inserted DSR's, two
possible pathways are made}something construed to be
in semi conflict with ordinary DC current path laws.
Depending how you look at it,this actually happens
when you short one element in a LC series resonance,
the new preferred pathway is of higher impedance.
Taking two LC series resonances 180 out of phase and
in parallel, and further supplying a path between
their midpoints is equivalent to now supplying a new
path of even higher impedance, an amount q squared
greater than the original impedance conditions. Thus
it takes the path of highest impedance, in that case
changing two separate series resonances, thereby
diverting their resonant rises of voltage to resonant
rises of amperage combined into one parallel resonant
circuit with twice the recorded amperage(or 1.73 in
midpoint/wye 3 phase pathways)than on the sides or
individual elements alone. Knowing this can lead to
the construction of catastrophic resonant
circuits,(that must be input fused)   I could easily
construct such a circuit by placing the 19 volts from
the 3 phase alternator to my 3 phase 10/1 step up
transformer, making a 190 volt input across 12.6 ohms
per phase,those phases consisting of 10 14 gauge coils
to the delta series resonances. If the inside wye load
becomes disabled, the outside delta windings will go
towards insulation meltdown, or in this case attempt
to conduct 190/12=15.8 Amps, something the alternator
probably might not supply at the small input rpm.  So
what I have supplied here is an  example of a
(approximately) purely resonant 3 phase AC
transformer, where voltage transformation is normally
something ordinarily made with ferromagnetic means of
a 3phase step up transformer using silicone steel, but
this transformer is substantially different in
operation as it is inverted to common operation... The
(ordinary) transformer can operate with the outside
load connections open or empty and consume minimal
reactive power. The resonant transformer is exactly
the opposite, in that it consumes maximum power with
no load connections, and for some load applications
such as electrolysis,it is surely necessary to make
the voltage input placed to this higher catastrophic
value, which only occurs if infinite resistance is
seen in the interior wye pathways. Also substantially
different in operation is a sort of floating voltage
potential that the output load will see(or apply). A
load of comparatively small resistance will see a
minimal voltage, and a larger resistance a larger
voltage. Thus these transformers then accomplish the
similar action of a current limited secondary of a NST
transformer, that will only supply so much rated
current and can be safely shorted on the secondary. An
ordinarily transformer becomes the catastophic version
if we short its secondary and cause meltdown, it
consumes maximum amperage, whereas the resonant
transformer consumes its minimal amount of amperage
under shorted output condition. Of particular interest
is the application towards the input voltages to a
many celled electrolysisor derived from the resonant
transformer input. The cells arranged in series
compared to the cells arranged in parallel will offer
the same values of voltage across the cells in both
methods with a resonant transformer, whereas a
ferromagnetic transformer will offer different values
when this is done. The voltage the resonant
transformer always gives is the thermoneutral voltage
value for most efficient electrolysis. This eliminates
the problerm found in the ferromagnetic method of
making a certain number of cells in series to meet the
correct voltage requirement, thus eliminating
substantial costings of the electrolysis cell design.
     Having gone off topic let me only suggest that if
someone were to attempt to drive three identical tesla
coils from a three phase source, having three arc gaps
seems to be redundant as one should serve to be
sufficient, in the same way that the primaries of a
binary resonant tesla coil would have two primaries
each sharing the same arc
gap from opposite polarity directions.
Sincerely Harvey D Norris

05/07/01 Update
The speculated trisectional arc gap may not be an easy
accomplishment as I have speculated. This was tried
yesterday with large inductance 60 henry coils subjected
250-275 volt application from an outer delta series
resonance @ 476 hz. This raises the interior voltage
of that circuit sufficient to light 20 inch neons in
delta or wye configuration. However it is difficult
to achieve a balance to get three to light simul-
taneously. This has also been the case with adding
a third stage of resonant rise at an inductors supposed
natural resoant frequency as is done in the secondary
of a tesla coil. Then it was impossible to get three
bulbs to light between the top loads. But here a tri-
sectional arc gap was instead inserted into the circuit,
instead of the third stage of resonance. This resulted
in the same phenomenon where only two of the gaps could
be made to fire. A scoping of the 19 volt alternator
inputs however shows something considered impossible,
that a signal in the reverse polarity, or a signal roughly
180 out of phase, is made by the arcing phenomenon.
This is generally referred to as back emf spikes, and
they have been observed before from 15 watt florescents
placed as loads on the outer DSR at 188 hz resonance.
However in that instance the back emf spikes only occured
in a miniscule portion of the cycles time period.
In the new direct arc testings this back emf signature
occurs as a whole separate phase directly opposite to
two of the 180 phases being scoped out, and appears as a
separate trace. The timings of these reverse emf signals
is assumed to be in coordination with the arcing at the gap.
It has not yet been investigated if the orginal signal
is knocked out when these occur, as if this were present,
  that would be time reversal evidence. Most, but not all,
analysis has yeilded the result that 180 based scoped forms are a
result of an optical illusion made by events occuring too fast
in time for the eye to detect, and analysis of scope forms
show that in most cases, the polarity flips occur as a singularity,
and not a duality where two simulataneous traces occur.
At high frequency scope monitoring of rf events, this is impossible
to reasonably analyse, since the present equipment of a VHS
camera only allows for single frames of the source frequency, or
possibly 16.6/2 ms.  HDN

The following was a post made to tesla list, which is very on topic,
where this list is not.

Re: Polarity vs Phase/3 phase Analogy
To: tesla@...

I am getting a kick out of these polarity posts and
the 3 phase AC thread which I may post to later, after
I am more sure by tests of my remarkable conclusions.
This has to do with the fact that in a source emf WYE
to loads as DELTA series resonances, all three phases
must be resonant for any of them to be resonant, and
if two phases are not completely resonant, it will
prevent the third one from doing so. Talk about tricky
tuning! But to convey the idea of polarity here the 3
phase example makes it very easy. A series resonance
is a quantity of L and C values satisfying resonant
Thompson formula that can be wired in series and
connected on each end to its polarity inputs. We have
two connections and two ways to hook it up. Therefore
we also specify that all three resonances are ordered
or hooked up the same way as *LC*LC*LC for all 3 of
them to be 120 degrees out of phase. It is simple to
the understand then if one of these LC combinations
were reversed, it would then be (120-180)=60 degrees
phase separation instead of 120. Now the above
argument is easily visualized as an inverse resonance
example. The question then becomes how do we visualize
the same thing for 3 parallel resonances? Or for that
manner how do we even do it for a single tank circuit!
That is puzzling because there is no difference in
simply plugging in the circuit backwards, it is
schematically the same thing.

That is where the conception of loops sharing a common
path make this explainable.

In the unused 90 degree phase generation system two 1
amp phase consumptions instead of using two return
wires of 1 amp each can be combined into one wire
carrrying the phase summation of the square root of 2
amps=1.41 Amps. This represents the vector addition of
two 90 degree phase currents,or the hypotenuse of a
unit rt triangle
That return current represents a path shared by two
current loops, and the resultant reduction in return
currents is made by that partial cancellation of
phase currents.
In three phase,the return wire path for a 4 wire wye
delivery can exist in complete cancellation, provided
equal amperage consumptions exist on the three phases.
The entirety of the return currents is made as a
preferred pathway on the adjacent phases.

The option of 180 phased inputs is a condition for
making the seemingly impossible 180 phased tank
circuit. This takes the form of a center tapped
transformer secondary. Each of the bifilar secondary
winding directions are reversed on the primary core,
so that the emfs are of opposite or 180 phased
polarities, where the provision is made that these two
current loops also have a grounded shared current
path. Again if the amperages on each side are equal,
no current will exists on the center tap return path,
because of 180 phased currents summing to zero. The
return current is made on the opposite phase instead
of the center pathway of phase cancellation. This of
course is the grounded path.
Now let us apply resonance to the below posting;
--- Tesla list <tesla@...> wrote:
> Original poster: "Eric Davidson by way of Terry
> Fritz <twftesla@...>" <edavidson@...>
>
> Hi All,
>
>     To make the idea of polarity a bit simpler, lets
> disconnect the grounded
> center tap on the secondary of the distribution
> transformer.  Now the house
> only has 240 volt,  2 wire service, no grounded
> neutral conductor.  I think
> this is where the confusion is occurs.  The fact
> that we can have two 120 volt
> circuits on one 240 volt secondary.
Applied to resonance we can also resonate two coils
180 out of phase from each opposite 120 volt inputs on
each side of a center tapped secondary and obtain a
voltage rise by the q of the coil that can be measured
from the middle or midpoint of the LC circuit to the
outside where the ends of the circuit are connected.
Since each of these voltage rises are on opposite
directions of polarity, there will exist 2 q of a
voltage rise between the midpoints of the oppositely
phased resonances. This is the same result that
inputing the coils at twice the voltage would give.

We still only
> have one phase.
Yes but it depends how we hook up the resonant LC
quantities that always determines two options. By
containing two paralleled opposite LC quantites from
the same input we can create two opposite voltage
rises, however simply placing the coils themselves in
series and resonating them instead of 180 phased
parallel example will deliver the same voltage rise.
The 180 phased example is the analogy of resonance
from the concept of a simple transformer to that of a
center tapped transformer secondary with shared
current loops in cancellation.

There is an important distinction however, in that all
the previous examples of pathways with shared current
loops showed that shared pathway producing a partial
or full cancellation of the currents that would exist
on that pathway. There is also the possibility of
doing the reverse application. This is actually shown
in balanced,(no return 4th wire current)Delta 3 phase
delivery. In that situation Each of the 3 supply lines
are supplying two phases, where at a particular point
in time, it is not only supplying the one unit amp for
one phase, but also the return .7 amp for its adjacent
phase. Thus for three phases of one amp currents, the
"shared loop" pathways of the supply lines at 1.7 amps
are greater than the individually phased currents.

Now to return to the paradox of constructing a 180
phased tank circuit, this could be done by using a
center tapped transformer, with the traditional shared
current loop in cancellation. But here is why I
brought up the three phase issue for simplicity. We
can easily imagine three ordered delta series
resonances in delta, and because of the three phase
inputs we know each of the circuits are 120 degrees
out of phase. If we now place a wye short current path
between all midpoint q rises as shown at
http://www.escribe.com/science/freenrg/m9505.html we
will have converted the three series resonances into
three tank circuits, with the provision that each of
the tanks with have portions of shared current paths
of adjacently phased tank circuits. It is on these
shared current paths that we see that the 3 phase tank
circuits internal amperages are 1.7 the amount of
amperage on the shared pathways, than on the outside
individual phase pathways. The new configuration has
actually turned the tanks  to a shared path of
connections in WYE. A wye circuit is specified as
using a 4th return wire for the case when unbalanced
currents among phases occurs. If this is not available
then the amount any phase can conduct is also tied to
the amount of conduction made on those adjacent phases
as a return wire pathway. In this way it was found
that the nonresonance of two phases can limit the
possible amount of resonance on another phase.The same
situation applies in reverse for tuning the outside
ordered DSR's, because of the internal wye stator
field connections. So making a  complete AC
modification of a car alternator should ALSO always
consist of making a fourth return wire from the stator
connection. I have not tried this yet, but undoubtably
if it were there for the return currents it would
uncomplicate the 3 phase tuning situation.

So in summo it should also be seen that when the same
situation is made on 180 phased series resonances:
where a short wire is made between their midpoint
resonant rises of voltage, this circumvents and
changes the circuit into a figure 8 tank circuit,
where that pathway being shared by those L and C
reactive circuits is a shared pathway used from
opposite directions of travel, leading to unity
instead of cancellation as a shared current loop
pathway. Since this is unity of each reactive current,
twice that current then exists along that shared loop
pathway.
Three phase resonant midpoint voltage rises  with
appropriate LC quantities used at 188 hz are shown at
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/trinity.html
and schematics on the following linked page.

Also the concept of using these resonant voltage rises
as a resonant transformer;
http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/2001/January/msg01175.html

Hi All, My name is Harvey D Norris and to start things off a breif
history is in order. I am the Author of the Binary Resonant System
with homepage at
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/LaGrangeLn/teslafy/Homepage.html

I am interested in tesla coils, and adapting this special arc gap to
their operation. To describe this we must first consider the ordinary
center tapped transformer, which will be dealt with a little better
in the next post. The center pathway is shared by two 180 phases that
produce a net cancellation of current on that path, provided the
opposing sides of currents are equal. For the thing I am talking
about, the inverse situation applies where one resonant tank circuit
will be divided into two, with a center pathway shared by both
reactive sides from opposite directions, leading to the observation
that twice the current exists on that pathway than on the sides
alone. It is therefore a figure 8 tank circuit, that no one but
myself apparently is willing to work on. To make this into an arc gap
one merely needs the opening at the center of the 8. This opening
itself will procur a voltage rise, if the circuit is tuned to the
source frequency. The problems of this application to a tesla coil is
the fact that that circuit is not tuned to the source frequency, but
rather the secondaries resonant frequency. It is  good now to explore
what Tesla himself invented, with some practical hints for a dual
spiral binary resonant arc gap.

The first record Of Tesla's high frequency coupled
oscillatory circuit with an air cored transformer is
to be found in patent 454622 of 23 June 1891 under the
title "System of electric lighting". The oscillator
converts low frequency currents into "currents of very
high frequency and very high potential" which then
supplies single terminal lamps. (from Aleksandar
Marincic's CSN preface)
The arc gap in this schematic is within the tank
circuit, something later abandoned as the best method.
On July 2,1899 Tesla notes the reasoning for this;
In a schematic showing the break within the tank
circuit he comments... "the scheme of connections has
the disadvantage that the primary discharge current
passes through the break hence, the resistance of the
latter being large, the oscillations are quickly
damped and there is besides a large current through
the break which makes good operation of the latter
difficult. To prolong oscillation in the primary and
increase economy one of the schemes before considered
may be resorted to." He then refers to the
conventional approach of allowing the break to be
shunted across the hv secondary outputs where he
comments.. "in this arrangement the currents through
the break device are much smaller and the oscillations
started by the operation of the break device continue
much longer."
Tesla makes no comment concerning the idea of placing
an inverse tank circuit on the other side of the break
in the first example for a center tapped high
frequency transformer. In that situation two (180
phased)primaries would recieve their oscillations from
a single arc gap. The problem of the arc containing
the entirety of the currents is then circumvented by
the pathway established along the sides of the newly
configured figure 8 LC quantities.

So here I am making some conceptual suggestions upon
implementing the "third schematic arc gap" apparently
neglected by Tesla as a possibility. This is described
using dual identical spirals. The usual reply that
this is already accomplished by a bipolar tank circuit
does not take into account the fact that in the
"third" schematic possibility there are two and not
one capacities involved.
I am still working to try a NST gap like that. Cant
take that much longer.
I have made some preliminary modeling ideas using the
dual spirals available at Radio shack as their flat
stranded 50 ft insulated for a mini-tesla coil
primary. I'm trying mine in a bipolar application for
a mini tesla coil one would suppose that length of the
wire is is small in comparison on the smaller mini
secondary, thus making the operation at a high
frequency. Since the duration of that rf burst is then
a very small time period,I am aiming for a very high
bps rate which this system should permit. Here are
some considerations of difference in tuning with a
single arc, oscillating two primaries 180 out of phase
as I have described as a Binary Resonant System,(BRS)
1)Because magnetic agreement between the primaries is
necessary for the maximum inductance, and the currents
on the primaries themselves are 180 out of phase, and
the further fact that the spirals themselves are not
themselves bifilar with respect to each other: to make
the fields in agreement means that opposite outer and
inner coil connections to the repective opposite hv
terminals is necessary. The inner and outer leads of
the dual spirals that remain are in turn connected to
capacities which connect in series with the opposite
hv potential. This then consists of two oppositely
phased series LC quantities in parallel which is the
current limiting condition before gap firing.
2) The arc gap is made from the connections at the
midpoints of the 180 phased series LC quantities, or
the ends of the inner and outer wire spirals that are
not connected to the hv secondary. Thus upon arcing
the resistance of the primary is on either side of the
arc: the arc is not directly shunted to the hv ouput.
3) The capacities on each side are NOT made from the
resonant frequency calculated from that sides L
quantity, but rather the quantity established by the
needed capacity to resonate with both L quantities in
mutual inductance where the primaries are in series to
determine this new L(total). A C(total) is then
matched to this new L figure to resonate, and each
side will recieve twice C(total). This is because
these capacities will appear in series when the gap
fires, thus to arrive at C(total) twice the value must
be used in series.
4) Because of the dielectric qualities of the
insulation between windings the spiral set also has a
internal capacitance, and adding capacitance on each
side of the LC quantites may not change the resonant
frequency as suspected. Since the set then has a
recorded C internal capctance of 220 pf, and a
measured .636 mh L quantity correctly wired in series,
a natural resonant frequency of 425,000 hz might be
suspected. A scope measurement of this frequency seems
to indicate 588,000 hz including the 25 pf scope
capacitance.
5) It may be possible to simply connect the inner and
outer spiral ends together at an arc gap and have the
primary resonate at its own natural resonant frequency
established by its internal parameters. Of course then
one would have no tuning and be limited to placing the
correct secondary to resonate in place.
HDN