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#2030 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:14 am
Subject: Test
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In a winding of square type; at first consruction methods involving
spiraling another insulating "tetertiary winding" amidst the insulation
of the square windings of the outer structure made to contain
significant internal capacity: many difficulties were first found with
the concept construction wise.  The first of these are he turning of
corners on four square per wind is that the spiralling outer wind meets
itself on the fourth change and the ove.

#2031 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:31 am
Subject: Spirals Around Spirals
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I see my test went thru- lately I doubt things so I test. Or is that
teslafy?  A construction problem has arisen from the past and the
necessity for re-design of parts upon order; half of which has arrived.
Now the design is considered with five sides rather then four for the
purpose of return journey interwind; practically the whole crux of the
biscuit of my investigation; which my notes reveal as a lorentz force
transformer. The magic square theory where I formerly made the
speculation that the numbered order was the formula for maximum
internal capacity is reasoned to be false during my long stay in jail;
when numbers are quickly better fathomed according to their validity in
numerical schemes. Here we merely need concentrate on square windings
using diagonal layerings, but for starting considerations five segments
per wind should be used. This is for the grand purposes of spiralling a
wind around a wind sensibly; serving both he purposes of its insulation
and its possible secondary.  I could of course try better to forward
the whole problem, but it is in notes to be used.
HDN

#2032 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:47 am
Subject: Notes from Recent Records.
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Am I here?  Okay.
I am now resuming some ideas concerning Teslas Coil for
Electromagnets, and submit a theoretical design to the tesla list for
comment, as I would rather see why something will not work before
expending funds again... All of my former assets, 50 miles of 23
gauge wire, 15,000 ft of insulated 14 gauge wire spools whose primary
use was conjuction for source frequency (continuous wave) resonant
voltage rise at alternator frequency near 480 hz; one thousand
dollars worth of square aluminum tubing, a dozen Radio Shack Mega
Cable Speaker wire spirals ect on down the line; all of these things
were taken during robbery of my homestead while incarcerated for a 6
month period, whereby I was granted early release for identification
of stolen items.
     Teslas Coil for Electromagnets deals with creating a higher
internal capacity via winding method, but the subject is introduced
from only the first consideration of a returned layer wind, which is
actually the lowest form of energy storage if the coils are
considered from the multi layer standpoint and utilysing square
shaped conductors.  The next method is using zig zag lateral
layering; whereby viewed from the axis of wind each layering will be
in opposing winding direction but also opposite current directions
thus they are in magnetic unity, and generally one third more
internal capacity is made by this conventional winding method, simply
for the fact that the energy storage value based on the relative
voltage difference between winding surface areas is a exponential
function, and therefore the winding design that can interface the
highest voltage differential between windings initially becomes the
concern, but this also depends on choice of arc gap and any
additional capacity to be added.  Richard Hull's Clorado Springs
commentary for July 8th shows a primary arc gap schematic he dubbs
the Tesla Equidrive Tank Circuit.  This shows the arc gap present
before the addition of two equal capacities on either side of the
break and then connection to the primary coil as its middle
component. What I would intially propose is to use square aluminum
tubing of 1 ft* .5 in *5 in as the primary windings, and the Mega
Cable Speaker wire as the insulation between windings. The
connections between the corners of the winds can be negotiated by
sanding down dowel rods to fit down the interior of the square
aluminum tube leaving 4 open internal corners on the endings, of
which four strands of grounding wire can be inserted for a tight
surface area connection between segments of the windings. The Mega
Cable Speaker Wire here is ideal for the purposes at hand, having two
flattened braided wires inside the PVC insulation and the external
width of both the square tube primary and its intervening coil
winding are good for construction.  The aim of the Lorentz
transformer is to procure simultaneous electric and magnetic field
interaction at right angles across, or more properly through the
width of the intervening secondary coil wiring inside the insulation
of the primary winds which is composed again of square aluminum
tubing. To do this the first premise is presented. If we visualize
the magnetic circles around the conductors arranged to produce an
external magnetic field, we find that internally between the windings
of a multilayered coil, all the magnetic circles are in opposition
with their neighbors, but externally the magnetic circles are in
agreement. If we reverse this scenario, internally between windings,
(the location of the secondary coil) the magnetic circles will be in
agreement.   In such an arrangement as a high frequency transformer,
the Megacable Speaker wire in analogy could fuction as the secondary
exciting a tetertiary third helically wound magnifier coil with
smaller gauge wire. The first consideration here becomes the
reduction of primary inductance by virtue of this "scalar" design,
and the Pandora's box of paradoxical consequences that is opened up
once conjecture begins to take place.  Another item to be replaced
from the ransacking of my assets is the spool of paper coated steel
wire,(used on bread bags) that I had wound several hundred turns
around  a four segment aluminum square tube wind to look for changes
of inductance by LCR meter, but understandably no changes were seen,
this more then likely due to the instruments sensing signal, but this
opens up the first question as to the use of the design employing no
high frequency effects, but ordinary source frequency transformer
design at 60 hz.
Question 1: One the one hand considering both the angles of the
interwinding  electric & magnetic fields being created by a design
that minimizes the possible  external magnetic field but enhances it
internally, For a multiturn primary could we not use iron  spiralled
loops around the windings so that the shape of the ferromagnetic core
itself is used for the secondary winding? This obviously is not a
good idea due to the resistance of steel wire, but it opens up other
imaginations for design such as again intervening MegaCable speaker
windings wrapped around the the inner and outer lengths of square
tube steel pieces made as steel sleeves fitting around the
circumference of the square aluminum windings, one of the few things
left from the robbery..., But here the paradox opens because
contradictory principles are at play. The first objection to the use
of iron to increase induction in primary loops is addressed by the
LCR readings themselves and perhaps the non linear factors involved
with ferromagnetism. Would  the idea of a "honeycomb" like iron
structure, in which the iron surrounds the windings themselves
instead of the windings surrounding a toroidal silicone iron loop be
applicable in transformer theory, possibly to reduce the amount of
iron itself used per amount of power transfered?  There seems to be
an explanation for many things easily overlooked without considering
that ferromagnetism has a saturation curve that also has a bottom
end, and perhaps for example if I built a nine turn primary with
windings surrounding by steel sleeves, I might never see the effects
of ferromagnetism due to the fact that the amount of amp turns needed
to engage the "ELECTROMAGNETISM" of the volume of ferromagnetic
material being stimulated by said method of a certain amount of amp
turns necessary to cause said magnetisation; BY DOGIES, if this
investigation might show that if a honeycomb iron core with windings
creating internal magnetic harmony might possibly USE an amount of
amp turns FAR below the normal external method; then in fact if that
were true, we must admit that Tesla's Coil For Electromagnets might
be the most cryptic patent of all time; almost like leading one into
a maze whereby only one possible solution is presented upon exiting
the maze: the hidden meaning behind the statement that increasing
internal capacity in a coil is an effective way to stimulate
electromagnetism, but Ha HA Ha I laugh because I doubt if even he
himself realized the ramifications there, but if he did he must have
been the most secretive person of all time; simply because once we
have glimpsed a magnificent thing we could barely be able to hold
such a thing to ourselves; and we would be out and about to preach it
to the rest of the thinking world!! There are also, in my opinion
clues here to the wireless transmission of energy through the ground,
where the concept of a high frequency resonant antennae design comes
into play, whereby there becomes no need for the receptor antennae to
employ a discreet external capacity to vibrate: instead that needed
capacity is itself interfaced with the earth ground on both sending
and recieving stations.  A modification of the magnifier principle is
imagined whereby the actual line coupled connection is eliminated and
the tetertiary is itself grounded capacitively identically to the
amount on the sending station, and placed in distance from the
approximation of what becomes the quarter wavelength linear distance
between sending and recieving stations accomplished at the sending
station by the splitting of that primary coil itself in two; by
allowing the primary arc gap to be placed not before the arrangement
as mentioned in the Hull schematic, but after the LC components
electrical travel path: in other words the literal midpoint of the
entire length of the circuit occuring in the middle of the primary
coils winding length. In this alteration of arc gap position the
distinction between "acting" internal capacity and "midpoint open
circuit" capacity becomes apparent. Consider a nine wind square
primary winding laid in three lateral layerings. For all cases 12
internal segments between winds exist as actual internal capacity.
Then we consider the charge alignment on the surface areas of the
square conductors when open circuit is made at the midpoint. For an
even number of conductors arranged in a square array. such as 16, the
division of the coil into two allows four surface areas on each four
center winds to function as plate areas for deposition  midpoint open
circuit charge, so this is the "actual" capacity present at arc gap
cessation for use in calculations involving Thompsons resonance
formula, only now that capacity exists inside the coil (which becomes
an additional complication) and for purposes of comparison we imagine
different winding schemes, whereby the ratio of total
internal capacity surface areas vs the open midpoint circuit
capacities is compared. At first I had contemplated that magic
squares used as the wind succession numbering method might be a code
as to ascertaining the highest internal capacity present as a winding
method, but during my long stay of incarceration I soon saw the
fallacy of my theory, so to speak: which is actually a good thing as
enormous complications are then removed by simply directly going to a
diagonally layered inverted cone design  constructed primary coil of
three layers, but unfortunately unequal numbers of winds; but however
the necessity of this as a first model becomes understood as a first
easily built and tested hypothesis. The aim here is to make a coil
with the highest midpoint open circuit capacity, (MOCC) by winding
method, and the first puzzle is shown. Suppose we are given 64 one ft
lengths of  of these 1/2 in wide aluminum segments, and told to form
a plate capacity with them which then consists of 32 to a side,
making one ft by 16 inches plate capacity. Now the requirement is
made to use only 36 pieces instead of 64, and still construct the
same amount of capacity, which is done instead by using more than one
side of the conductor for the MOCC, and diagonal layering methods. In
the first case of 9 square, the center open circuit as a split wind
no 5, have half of their total four surface areas are active as MOCC
surface areas, but the edge windings only use one conductor side for
MOCC, yeilding 4 internal capacity surface areas out of 12 for
possible use. Using the diagonal layering in the first odd magic
square of 9 uses 8 of the 12 as MOCC for surface areas. Using a
square winding structure we can use four arrays of 3*3  windings
connected in series with 32 internal MOC capacities with each wind
going through four of the arrays of nine concentric windings, for a
total of 2/3 usage of possible internal capacity. We next consider
the scheme using closer total usage of surface areas using first the
analogy of 10 winds, four arranged as a central diagonal, and six
arranged around it in fashion so that the beginning and ending winds
of the central arc gap can conect to either end of its surrounding
inner and outer conical diagonal windings alternating on either side
for highest relative voltage across adjacent surface areas between
the conductors.  This arrangement still does not do full justice to
the idea, which is to employ all four surface areas for the MOCC
function, which in this case for 16 winds only 3/4 of the winding
surface areas is exploited. But a game plan for initial construction
it seems sensible as a first enquiree, and not waste time with
insensible designs.  Here many blind alleys might exist, such as the
following; In particular we might wonder about the possibility of
minimizing hetzian EM by having the possibility of its own primary
windings, which will always occur with an odd number of windings
placed into a square array where the center point will be the center
winding; In contrast an even numbered amount of windings has its MOCC
point placed on an external winding, if this is correct. Surrouding
the arc gap with primary windings might sheild the hertzian EM?
      In any case a distortion of Thompsons resonance formula, should
be readily evident in the building of tesla coil primaries using
adjacent insulated square windings since internal capacity must be
measured in the equation in light of the fact that midpoint open
circuit capacities can be measured and logically explained by winding
succession method and midpoint open coil circuit break.  Now we
venture into thoughts concerning capacity in a primary tank circuit
and how it lowers the natural vibration. Surely the first thing to be
investigated here is to set up a high frequency vibration whereby
equal external and internal capacities are used, which in this case
is easily procurable by using the aluminum segments themselves
arranged into different geometries. If in fact we added an equal flat
plane capacitor of 64 aluminum segments to the same 36 pieces used
used to procur the same capacity, from the midpoint open circuit
break; and measured the total capacity present from the capacity
placed at midpoint in addition to the capacity present in the coil,
the meter reads those two capacities placed in parallel, as would be
suspected; but if that external capacity value were used internally
it lowers the coils natural vibration by half as would be expected,
but not by formula when using the external capacity alone. If the
same amount of capacity could be attached instead in series OUTSIDE
the coil appearing itself in series with the midpoint open circuit
capacity, as is shown by Hulls schematic then the role of added
capacity to lower the vibration would seem more efficient as then
twice the total capacity is charged externally to half the input
voltage if the coils as a midpoint load is not considered, which is
obviously untrue, as  then it has its own capacity to be discharged
as the pathway to arc gap.


I am aware that a vertical TC secondary is base grounded, and that it
is a forced node of the high frequency created by the primary arc gap
L and C values. Is it very common to ground one side of a primary arc
gap? If so is not an arc to ground creating an electrical wave in the
earth? I have previously considered a design for wireless energy
transmission predominantly through the ground that uses some unusual
features and have most of this written in wordpad so that I can
submit it later.  However this becomes the first question; can the
sending station arc to ground via the primary arc gap?
From this point I would prefer to use a very high frequency and
locate the secondary NOT over the sending primary, but at the distant
location one quarter wavelength away.  Several different things might
be tried as what might be called resonant antennae design will be
tried. This will be somewhat of a costly project as sectioned square
aluminum tubing  will be used for the primary(s) and the primaries
capacities used for resonance will consist of the placement of
dielectrically enclosed flat braided copper windings serving as an
Oudin like primary connection for the secondary. Essentially two
inverted conical constructions current wise using five segments to a
wind. (Notes to wireless group from other records in notepad) HDN /
Apology for segmentary records...

#2033 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:00 am
Subject: Re: Knights Templar Maze?
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--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...> wrote:
>

> Back to the subject at hand here which is the 64 move chess knight
> code...
>
>    I began to wonder if the Knights Templar knew of this code to
> initiate its members or some such far fetched thing because of the
> numbers used to solve the code.  In the Scottish? rite of
> Freemasonry, there are 33 degrees in the order:  It is on the no.
33
> that the code for the entire square sequence begins to be used;
Remember seven of nine  ? The code is based on those two numbers.



> 01-??-31-??-??-16-??-18
> 30-??-??-03-??-19-14-??
> ??-02-??-32-15-??-17-??
> ??-29-04-??-20-??-??-13
> 05-??-25-??-09-??-21-??
> 28-??-08-??-24-??-12-??
> ??-06-??-26-??-10-??-22
> ??-27-??-07-??-23-??-11
>
> A code of movement exists whereby moving a chess knight 63 times,
all
> 64 squares may be visited without becoming trapped in the maze.
This
> code when known shows the future location of every move by the
> location of the first 32 moves.
>
> Clue 1:  32 is the number of the difference of the squares that
> establishes the code on one dimension; but having more then one
> answer; only one answer is obvious.
The difference of the squares are squares of numbers, of which the
difference is 32. The square of nine is 81, and the square of seven
is 49, and the difference between them is 32, which solves the puzzle
on a lateral basis.  However two other pairs of numbers satisfy the
condition that their subtracted squares also equal 32.  Those are six
and two or 36 -4 =32; quite irrevalent here as such a pairing scheme
would never work to solve the puzzle, thus it is obvious.
> Clue 2:  33 shows the method of the code on a different dimension.
The method of the code works both on a horizontal and vertical basis
as dual additions of sums from the outside edge inwards. On the
bottom half of the chart the the vertical sums add to 33. That is
part of the vertical code, but the horizontal is easier to follow as
a continuous rule. Every move after 32 will be matched to an outwards
formed sum adding to seven squared or 49.  Those movements will be
exhausted when the pairings of numbers can no longer add to 49, but
must instead add to 81. The pairings in each case go up on one side
and down on the other, thus the pattern of future moves based on the
correct past moves as a following movement should be easily seen.
>
> About 25 wrong moves can be made from this halfway point, and I
dont
> imagine any of would not work to solve the puzzle; thus it is those
will lead to the end of the maze, except one of
> them will, but then all the rows and columns would not add to the
> same number.
With correct pairings they do.   WHAT A GREAT THING IT WOULD BE IF
PEOPLE WERE LIKE THAT AND WE ONLY NEEDED TO BE PAIRED WITH OUR ANGEL
OR SOUL MATE?
>Sincerely HDN
>

#2034 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:13 am
Subject: Doc Returneth
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/4C/image/  Dzl3393.jpg

Estimated 450 RPM of Copper Magnetic Motor

Around 1992 I began my scientific pursuits, and made past records here
at teslafy years later.  My first major project was a redirection of
the Newman motor idea, shown above.  This research showed that a
rermarkable principle is inherent, but perhaps not that practical. A
central magnet can be continually rotated by a DC field that never
reverses polarity,but rather simply shuts polar coils off during that
portion of rotation.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/4C/C4.jpg
Drawing of Norris 4 coil side/polar arrangement

In actuality I had an important assistant at this time, he calls
himself Doc, and  he has returned to assist me in future inventions.
He made  a good puzzle upon return which confounded me greatly.  In
fact he is sort of a magician with a good mind, so the puzzle can be
submitted, but the very strange thing is resurrection of knowledge. I
had been told of this thing before by him, but failed to remember, and
even argued with him again about the issue upon his return, saying
that you are crazy, it cant be done that way, which has to do with the
puzzle. Back then before the grand ideas of possible usages of
alternating currents with these aspects, direct current was the
manipulations to be used, and a grand idea came forward which I termed
the high speed commutator, which I do not remember making of reference
of this  years later here, but will quickly again describe it, and
submit the puzzle to the group.

Sincerely HDN

#2035 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:20 pm
Subject: Two New Members
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Doc joined and another. He is helping with computer problems.  Will be
back later for Docs puzzle.  He made up a jpeg drawing for the
commutation piece to be described later.  The could involve a
parametric capacity change in going from 32 changes in  a 64 square
array to some 21 times more capacity accomplished by mechanical
commutation of switchings normally accomplished thru diodes.
HDN;
  having some technical computer programs here with the wireless.

#2036 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:19 pm
Subject: Three Rollers.
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Imagine a central roller in parallel rotation and contact with two
adjacent rollers rotating in opposite directions. The central roller
is actually half metallic lengthwise, and half nylon lengthwise as an
insulator, where we first built this using aluminum and nylon, and
this serves the purpose of a commutation of electricity to the outer
cylinders from the inner one to two outside branches, also composed of
half lengthwise  metal and insulator. Thus the linear separation speed
between half circular electrodes itself was non-linear and meant the
voltage created by electrode separation speed in an induction arc
becomes a greater velocity during the ~second half of separation
distance, and might possibly be used as a method of "quenching" the
horrendous DC induction arcs that occur in a "60 henry" air core
inductance designed to propel large magnets via air core methods.
     Newmans method involved not only commutating the polarity of the
field coils required for DC operation, but also "blinking the power on
and off" to the field coils, and then harnessing the magnetic collapse
via an intervening short segment, also accomplished on the main
commutation. This three fold commutation method instead was meant to
"alternate" power between two Newman systems, and the triple
commutation sent power to two of four coils designed as the overall
field coil configuration. But two distinct commutation systems were
needed, but this secondary system accomplished the secondary function
of "power blinking" between systems. This kind of system however could
also be used for a mechanical substitute for the diode, which is later
realized to be of possible practical value. But it uses three shafts
in counter rotation. Doc and myself built this thing, but there were
bad vibration problems from the differences in weight between nylon
and aluminum half segments.
      Upon our recollections of old work upon his recent return, where
Doc is a fine artist and craftsman coming back from the Tennesee area
where I visited his family some 15? years ago, anyways the subject of
this high speed commutator design came up.  We were sitting in the
local bar, and he reminded me: "Do You remember the solution I came up
with on this design?  It uses two shafts instead of three and is
balanced!  You asked me if I could patent it!"
"Oh bullshit Doc, it can't be done like that", I replied.
But then he started remembering; slowly at first... and came up with a
preliminary drawing, which had to be argued over again before I was
fully convinced, but I have to say it does seem both logical and quite
ingenious and simple. So how does two shafts replace three? I'll have
to leave that for awhile till I can coordinate this jpeg attachment he
created.
HDN

#2037 From: Doc green <hidepainter1@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:45 pm
Subject: (No subject)
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#2038 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:55 pm
Subject: Aluminum Square Tubing Reordered
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69 l ft sections for a primary construction where I will first try 50
pieces in a pentagon of 10 winds, then maybe add windings later. Cost
has gone up to 2 dollars a section from 1.20 a section.  Pieces arrive
on Friday.
HDN

#2039 From: "fleubis" <jdavis@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Aluminum Square Tubing Reordered
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harvey,

Be happy with your pricing.  Wait 'til you check the prices of copper
wire!

James


--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...> wrote:
>
> 69 l ft sections for a primary construction where I will first try 50
> pieces in a pentagon of 10 winds, then maybe add windings later. Cost
> has gone up to 2 dollars a section from 1.20 a section.  Pieces arrive
> on Friday.
> HDN
>

#2040 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:14 pm
Subject: Yahoo Mail Acct Problems
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Went to send a graphic into files section describing two shaft
commutator part: this was sent as an attachment to me from Doc last
week but my Yahoo mail does not have this, in fact now it only holds
86 messages, and only goes back two days. So apparently this is lost.
  Anyone have problems like this with Yahoo?  I switched to the new
acct type, but it still does not have any info past two days back.
HDN

#2041 From: Harvey Norris <harvich@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:49 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fw: cut away
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Note: forwarded message attached.


Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/


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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:40:45 AM
Subject: cut away

here ya go


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#2042 From: "fleubis" <jdavis@...>
Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 1:56 am
Subject: Re: Yahoo Mail Acct Problems
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Harvey,
I use Yahoo Mail (Plus).....the only problem I have is if attachments
are too large....these sometimes get lost.  I like to keep my
attachments under 2meg

James



--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...> wrote:
>
> Went to send a graphic into files section describing two shaft
> commutator part: this was sent as an attachment to me from Doc last
> week but my Yahoo mail does not have this, in fact now it only holds
> 86 messages, and only goes back two days. So apparently this is lost.
>  Anyone have problems like this with Yahoo?  I switched to the new
> acct type, but it still does not have any info past two days back.
> HDN
>

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#2044 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:26 pm
Subject: High Induction Coils Rewound
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Manufacturers of magnet wire do not supply an inner lead on the
winding for passing current through the entire spool.  Formerly this
had to be done with an 80 lb coil rewound onto another spool; where
the specs for 23 gauge wire show this would be nine miles of wire. The
first experimentation with 60 hz source frequency resonance took place
with these huge 60 Henry Coils of ~ 1000 ohms. It gave an acting Q of
15, from a predicted 20.  Two of the coils could be inversely series
resonated  for simultaneously opposite voltage rises; whereby a
combined Q of 30 is obtained. During the tuning the coils can be
placed base to base so that magnetic unity increases each coils
impedance, thereby gaining a higher Q factor by the interaction of
mutual inductance. A paradox however exists regarding the fact that
when the pair of coils are INVERSELY series resonated; which is simply
one set of series LC values attached oppositely in series to the
input: this implies that even though the tuning was accomplished with
the higher reactances present in magnetic unity between the coils, the
magnetic unity of these fields should not be present after being
inversely placed in series resonances, since the  effect of inversely
phased resonances is to produce opposite magnetic field orientations
between the coils.  This is reffered to as the Binary Resonant
Paradox. When this was explained to Doc, he puzzled and asked "Well
what kind of polarity would then exist if the coil was in between two
equal capacities in series?"  Damn good question.  In any case all the
former 23 gauge coils (~ 480 lb.s) had been stolen by the criminal
DiGrino family, so upon consideration of replacement costs I find they
want about 12 dollars a lb, so each of the 6 coils will cost ~ a
thousand dollars to replace.  To replace these stolen assets I have
now purchased 23 lb of 23 gauge wire on two different 6 inch OD
spools, and have seen that it seems practical to "miniaturize" the
binary resonant system without a significant loss in voltage rise.
One eighth the volume of copper can be used on smaller spools to
theoretically produce about 1/3 the voltage of the former 160 lb system.

Doc & I rewound the spools using a modified drill press set up; about
30 -40 minutes unwinding over a mile of wire.  They register near 140
ohms.  An AC variac test at 100 volts yielded a current of .1 A,
having an impedance of 1000 ohms, vs the former 20,000 ohms when a
larger 80 lb coil was wound. The theoretical Q factor for 60 hz is
then X(L)/R = 1000/140 = 7.14, where formerly this was 20.  These
smaller coils also offer use in alternator frequency resonances.  A
single phase motor to drive the alternator was also stolen; this is
being replaced also.

Sincerely Harvey D Norris

#2045 From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@...>
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:02 am
Subject: electroversial
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#2046 From: "Chris Arnold" <pulsed_ignition@...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:41 am
Subject: Gun Digest the Magazine on NanoLube
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Legitimate NanoLube Creator Battles Against Copycat for Future of
Product.

In a previous issue of Gun Digest the Magazine, Associate Editor
Kevin Michalowski wrote a sidebar extolling the virtues of an
outstanding new firearms lubrication product: NanoLube.

The results of initial tests were outstanding, but controversy ensued
when it became clear the man who presented himself as the developer
of the product was apparently taking credit for work he did not
create and selling a product he did not produce.

"Chris Arnold is the developer of NanoLube and is the only person
legally allowed to be selling the product to anyone," Michalowski
said. "Court documents clearly show that Christian StClaire has been
ordered to stop selling the product and using the NanoLube name."

On Dec. 1, a preliminary injunction was ordered against Christian
StClaire of www.nanolube.com in case 2007CH1877 in DuPage County,
Ill., for multiple infringements of Arnold's products and patented
technology.

Arnold said the product StClaire is selling is apparently a diluted
form of the lubricant and does not offer the performance of Arnold's
product. Arnold provided samples of his product to Gun Digest the
Magazine, and Michalowski said the lubricity and performance of
this "pure" product far outpaces that of the product sent by StClaire.

"It's just a shame to see something you've worked your life for taken
apart by someone like this," said Arnold, who continues to pursue
legal means to stop StClaire from selling, marketing or distributing
anything resembling NanoLube.

"Right now it appears StClaire is in violation of every portion of
the court order instructing him to stop what he's doing," Arnold
said. "So we are going back to court to see what the next step is."

Further, Arnold now alleges that StClaire is apparently using the
publicity he received in gun digest the Magazine to continue selling
the product in violation of the court order.

NanoLube is available directly from Arnold at www.nanolube.net, which
is the only outlet legally authorized to sell the product. Other web
sites for the product are not authorized outlets for NanoLube.

Reprinted with permission of Gun Digest the Magazine (April 14, 2008).

#2047 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Tue Apr 8, 2008 1:10 am
Subject: Progress on Current Teslafy Business
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A variable speed motor drive is purchased for wire rewinding. After
some confusion regarding wiring, we now learn the unit must be
programed resulting in a delay of start up operations. This is a
Leeson "Speedmaster" Solid State Unit that converts single phase into
three phase, but allows for a variable frequency to be harnessed on
the three phase conversion motor end so that a variable rpm is
obtained on output.

     A great deal of confusion initially exists regarding whether the
750.00 dollar  frequency controller and the 350 dollar  3 phase motor
should be wired at the same choice of voltage, be that 120 or 240.  We
have agreed consensus wise after several opinions that both should be
the same. The programming requires a password and some things I am not
aquainted with, but Doc says he will pour over the manual.

     A lot of (women) stresses at home have taken place, having to do
with Queen Guinevere in the story; but I shall persevere against her
most vile and selfish ways to the end of my final liberations... My
own lap top computer has ben sent back to Hewlant Pakackart for
repair, a somewhat amazing mishap. Some Indian lady apologized for
delay.  Of course I am tired of delays myself...  So I have
repurchased important components for the resurection of this research
regarding source frequency resonances, and how they might be harnessed
according to the agenda I have already set forth in my elucidations,
which assuredly so shall be repeated into the future.

Sincerely Yours;
Harvey D Norris

#2048 From: Pickur <pickur@...>
Date: Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:18 am
Subject: Re: Progress on Current Teslafy Business
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you should have bought an acs350 abb drive,,it is
sooooo easy..

tim
--- Harvey D Norris <harvich@...> wrote:

> A variable speed motor drive is purchased for wire
> rewinding. After
> some confusion regarding wiring, we now learn the
> unit must be
> programed resulting in a delay of start up
> operations. This is a
> Leeson "Speedmaster" Solid State Unit that converts
> single phase into
> three phase, but allows for a variable frequency to
> be harnessed on
> the three phase conversion motor end so that a
> variable rpm is
> obtained on output.
>
>     A great deal of confusion initially exists
> regarding whether the
> 750.00 dollar  frequency controller and the 350
> dollar  3 phase motor
> should be wired at the same choice of voltage, be
> that 120 or 240.  We
> have agreed consensus wise after several opinions
> that both should be
> the same. The programming requires a password and
> some things I am not
> aquainted with, but Doc says he will pour over the
> manual.
>
>     A lot of (women) stresses at home have taken
> place, having to do
> with Queen Guinevere in the story; but I shall
> persevere against her
> most vile and selfish ways to the end of my final
> liberations... My
> own lap top computer has ben sent back to Hewlant
> Pakackart for
> repair, a somewhat amazing mishap. Some Indian lady
> apologized for
> delay.  Of course I am tired of delays myself...  So
> I have
> repurchased important components for the resurection
> of this research
> regarding source frequency resonances, and how they
> might be harnessed
> according to the agenda I have already set forth in
> my elucidations,
> which assuredly so shall be repeated into the
> future.
>
> Sincerely Yours;
> Harvey D Norris
>
>
>

#2049 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:34 pm
Subject: Aluminum Square Primary Constructions/ New ASP file
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Five winds of the proposed "lorentz force high frequency transformer"
are constructed and shown at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/ASP/DSCN3241.JPG
Five winds with four interwoven Megacable winds

Here we get to show off some of Doc's fine craftsman skill, as if this
project were undertaken by myself it would be much more haphazard and
sloppy.  From the beginning of my efforts to build this contraption
the connections between square segments of the winds has been
problematic, where I had decided that sanding down a wooden dowel rod
to fit inside the ID of the square aluminum tubing would be sufficient
to enable four strands of grounding wire to be inserted on the inner
corners of the square tubing, and this could serve as corner
connections.  I had also initially seen that 3/8 inch OD copper tubing
would be a tight fit, but decided it was too stiff to work with, but
Doc decided this was a better method, and he also used aluminum rivets
when needed.  Sometimes it takes some real elbow grease to get these
joints to the proper bend and clearance for the corners. The central
wind here is hidden by the outer four winds, but the clearance
problems of the spiraling megacable winds surrounding the central wind
are evident in the pictured corner and the bottom outer wind cannot be
seen, but the megacable that circles the central wind as a clockwise
turn on each succeeding segment can be seen at the pictured corner. At
first I had suggested vices for construction to hold together the
segments as constructed to sandwich the interwoven MegaCable Speaker
wire, but Doc said I already have enough vices, including going to the
bar for breakfast, but I am presently heading back there to get my
bicycle home again after a couple, so things here can be added later.
  Doc once again came to the rescue and tried a  hot glue gun to adhere
the insulated  megacable to the aluminum, which seems to work well at
a good temperature, but not at lower ones, where yesterday continued
work was  abandoned with the spot of cold weather we are having in
Ohio.  Doc decided it was better to work on one central aluminum ring
at a time, and solder Megacable layers together instead of having a
continuous length of megacable. There are still some problems on going
up to the next diagonal central layer, where the 3/8 inch tubing is
harder to bend when going from inner diagonal to outer diagonal. The
outer winds are going back and forth on these diagonal layerings also
which will mean for problems there also, and not all the corner
connection are completed in the jpeg, which also shows the tuning fork
used in resonance experiments. This was inserted in the  12 lb coils
air core volume we wound of 23 gauge wire to improve the performance
of the air core transformer, where the second coil was stacked on the
first and mutual inductance measurements started. The Q of the coils
are miserable only about 2.5, but the (60 hz tuned)secondary was able
to light a bathroom nightlight at half the household voltage and the
insertion of ferromagnetic metal in the air core resonance would
increase the illumination of the light. More on those calculations
later, where the readings seem opposite to what one would expect.
Instead of the primary drawing more amperage as the secondary load is
added the reverse takes place. The variance between the change in
inductive reactance as secondary load is added is not as wide as the
variance exibited by the ratio of primary and secondary currents in
resonance.  In other words the mutual inductance as registered by the
inductive reactance measurements is NOT the same as would be predicted
once the actual resonant capacities are added, which of course are
"predetermined" by the actual change in inductive reactance brought
upon by the addition of the mutual coupling between coil systems.  I
will use F E Termans definitions in the volume "Radio Engineering" to
see if some discrepancy exists here, which would seem to be the case.
  This was noted long ago that two long columns of 14 gauge coils at
alternator frequencies (400 hz) would have practically no mutual
inductance when measured reactively, since the ending poles of each
column were only side by side and not face to face for maximum mutual
induction: but when the columns were resonated, if I recall correctly,
one quarter or more of the current of the excited column would be
produced in the loop of the unexcited adjacent column.  In comparison
here for the better circumstance when the ferromagnetic tuning fork is
inserted into both the primary and secondary  core volumes a given a
100 volt input enabling 180 ma primary draw, the tuned secondary
enables a 120 ma circulation, showing a high secondary mutual
inductance.  (both the primary and secondary coils are near 2.5 Henry
and given ~ 3 uf capacity for resonance)  Without the tuning fork in
place the differences are a 240 ma primary draw vs a secondary draw of
90 ma. Thus the primary draw goes down as the secondary draw goes up
upon insertion of the tuning fork into the core volumes. Heres a
little pic of our joint projects on the work table.
Dual 12 lb 23 gauge coils/ 60 hz Resonance Experiments
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/ASP/DSCN3242.JPG

I might be having some URL problems here so I will post and see if the
URLs go thru.

Sincerely HDN

#2050 From: teslafy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:18 am
Subject: New file uploaded to teslafy
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#2051 From: "Doc" <hidepainter1@...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:39 am
Subject: White Neon Discharge
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Thought I'd drop a recent pic of todays work, which has turned out to
be semi- satisfactory. As I had mentioned 23 gauge wire was purchased
and two spools ~ 12-13 lbs were rewound with drill press manipulations
as the revolver of wire spools; but this is most impractical, and a
variable speed drive is in the works, sent out today for programing by
some excellent comrades in the high induction heating field.

I have procrastinated lately for works needing completion, and a most
amusing chain of events seems to have opened up concerning the path of
enquirees.  I was very much reminded of works in the past concerning
research of resonant frequencies in the 400 hz range obtainable by
alternator means, and the somewhat illogical actions that occur when
two (differently phased) resonances are interacted by mutual
induction, which of course I fully intend to re-investigate at those
higher frequencies available by alternator, and have made the proper
investments to continue in those lines of endeavor.  But again apt
comparisons can be made from the present observations, and those of
the past. In fact from the beginning of things the (source frequency)
60 hz resonance studies were started using huge 80 lb coils of ~ 60
Henry each, containing 9 miles of 23 gauge wire of some 20,000 turns
and having 20,000 ohms impedance at 60 hz.  Some very strange
considerations or paradoxes evolved over time about circumstances of
the theory of operation.  Let us say a certain Pandora's box may
exist, or it may not; which if that is the case things must have been
misunderstood, and it is the observer who has misinterpreted things,
and not nature itself. But I doubt if nature can fool me so much, so
tomorrow I have devised a test to see which opinion may favor itself.
  Do not mind me speaking in so strange a way, for I have seen some
strange things that demand explanation, so strange in fact that I am
hesitant to describe them pending further enquirees. But for now let
me say that if this observer is correct, it is simply a further proof
of time distortion present between resonant voltage rises, as the
process again defies logical explanation.  But first then things
should be described from the outside and the past.

      The larger 80 lb, 60 H, 1000 ohm coils had a book value Q of 20
where having 1000 ohms resistance had 20,000 ohms inductive reactance,
almost identical to the actual impedance where in these cases can be
estimated as identical. However when resonated they only exhibited a Q
of 15, which we might say here the "real acting Q" factor is different
from the "ideal theoretical Q factor" obtained by book value
calculations. The "culprit" of coils exhibiting a difference between
ideal and real Q factors is thought to be internal capacity of the
coil itself. Thus there a 25% loss of Q factor occurred at 60 hz. At
alternator frequencies of 480 hz those coils only performed to 5% of
the expectation predicted as Q factor at 8 times the former frequency.
  In fact the acting Q factor went from 15 to 8, which is a reduction
and not an expansion of Q factor. Then by method of producing an
opposing magnetic field by three phase interphasing, the principle of
the air core transformer was discovered, somewhat by accident in that
TWO electrical influences could be placed on the high induction coil;
one from its actual wire connections and another from that obtained
through space from mutual induction of another coil: and when the wire
connections were severed, the same currents assumed themselves;
provided the former end connections to the former "line coupled"
electrical delivery were themselves shorted, forming a complete
electrical loop for current circulation.  What the former electrical
connections delivered as current to the load was now acting backwards,
and now the load was powering its inputs, and the ratios there
performance wise were grand, for the simple fact that far more
electricity went through those coils  powered through air then would
be the case if the coils were actually connected to the original
source of line voltage.  These considerations also come into play when
considering the actions of a binary resonant system, simply for the
fact that each side has two sources of emf, that obtained from its
line connections, and that obtained from mutual induction at
resonance, which may not be the same quantity as that recorded from
reactance readings.

      Now in this case here the coil size on each side is reduced from
80 lbs to 12-13 lb. The wire has 140 ohms but 1000 ohms reactance @ 60
hz, a theoretical Q value around 7.  However the first coil tested in
isolation only developed some 260 ma with a variac input of 100 volts
for easy voltage ratio comparisons.  This is only a q fator of 2.6 vs
the predicted factor of 7, which is a miserable performance.  Then
another identical coil was placed over its pole and when shorted with
amperage meter drew only 40 ma. This caused the Q factor of the
primary coil to drop slightly to ~ 240 ma.  Then the secondary was
given the same resonating capacity as the primary, 3uf in its
secondary loop and then its secondary draw increased to 90 ma, and
again the primary draw was reduced towards 210 ma. So the primaries Q
factor was reduced according to the secondaries amperage draw.  When
ferromagnetic metal was placed near the air core(s) such as the
mentioned tuning fork this ratio was further increased where this
maximum was mentioned as 180 ma IN vs 120 ma OUT.  Without the
complications of ferromagnetic metal in the picture if the primary is
pulling  near 200 ma, and inducing near 100 ma in the secondary, it
seems obvious that the secondary draw is reducing the Q factor
involved with the primaries amperage draw.  In fact voltage meters
were placed on both processes, the primary showing a 200 volt resonant
rise of voltage provided a 100 volt input, (Q factor of 2): and then
the secondary showing a internal voltage of 115 volts on its meter,
simply by the voltage induced by mutual inductance of tuned resonant
circuits.

      Now the observer stands to be corrected, but if I have a 200 volt
signal, and a 115 volt signal: and each of those signals are being
registered by their own voltage meters; it stands to reason by this
observer that if I a place a third voltage meter between those two
voltage meters, I should record the difference between the voltage of
each system relative to each other.  But one further qualification
needs to be added to this; THAT OF THE TIMING BETWEEN EACH WAVE OR THE
PHASE ANGLE! If I have a 120 degree phased alternator outputing 10
volts that becomes 100 volts internal to the LC series in resonance
with an acting Q factor of 10, I can take the midpoint voltage of 100
volts on one phase, connect a voltage measurement to the next phases
measurement of its internal 100 volts, and if I measure  170 volts
between them, this verifies that one voltage wave is 120 degrees out
of phase with the other voltage wave. If the midpoint voltage
difference was twice the outer voltages this supposes the waves are
instead 180 out of phase or completely opposite to one another.  So in
this case by simple logic if I measure the difference of voltage
between these two 200 and 115 volt waves, if the waves are in phase
the minimal voltage between them would be 200- 115 = 85 volts, or in
the other extreme they would out of phase completely yeilding 200 +
115 = 315 volts.  Yet what do I measure between these voltage
reference points... , only a meager 5 volts!  And the when  the
measured  voltage points are reversed on one side the same answer is
given 5 volts???  The timing reference points between the two systems
cannot be logically measured or answered, this is simply another
example of the time distortion that can occur between resonant rises
of voltage; here more profoundly illustrated when the sources of each
voltage are of differing natures; that of a direct line coupled source
or that of mutual induction.
      So now we go one step further. Instead of allowing the secondary
partner to assume its currents solely from mutual inductance made by
tuned air core resonances, we also give it its own line coupled
electrical delivery, or an actual wire connection to its electrical
delivery.  But this delivery is given as a binary resonant system, or
simply each side is inversely connected as concerns its own series LC
resonance.  Now by analogy we no each side induces current on its
partner, but also each side has a wire connection for its electrical
delivery, and we ASSUME these aid each other. (This has to do with the
upcoming test to determine if a paradox actually exists.)
      Now the results are completely different! Each voltage system can
be referenced to itself to show to be almost opposite. And something
completely different happens, instead of the Q factor being degraded
it is increased on each side, but the currents on each side do not
wish to be balanced.  I can dig up comparisons to what has been found
before at alternator frequencies, but the same thing seems evident.
When each side of the series resonances are placed inversely to the
inputs the former primary sides Q factor increases to ~3.1 and its
partner yeilds 4.6 yeilding a collective Q between them near 7.6.  Now
in this jpeg a smaller ~ 4 inch neon is placed between those inputs
and the input voltage from variac is maxed at 130 volts.  Because
these bulbs need current limiting a 3/8 inch block of ferrite is
placed as a barrier to the conduction. A most unusual white neon
discharge developed as shown on the last post, and because I am using
Docs computer here I cant understand how to get back to file a new
window and show the URL just provided but the 200 some meter readings
on each side are the voltage rises on each side of the system, and the
440 some voltage between them goes across the neon/ ferrite series.
Given an empty loaded q of 7.6, after the load is added the Q factor
appears as ~440/130 volt input = about over 3.  I guess I got to be
done for a while.  Still awaiting the return of my own computer after
returning to Hewlant Packard.  Will be more specific in the future.
Sincere or Not....
Harvey D Norris

#2052 From: "ashtweth_nihilistic" <ashtweth@...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:40 am
Subject: Recovery of reactive power what we can all do
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Look up Eric dollars 4 quadrant theories, Peter lindermann has just
pointed out that Erics paper is a proprietary method to extract 95%! o
the reactive power that means we could have an off the shelf over
unity devices g9iven the reactive power circuits on the net including
the roto verter and the solid state version being the Trasverter.

Ash

#2053 From: "Phil Karn" <karn@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Recovery of reactive power what we can all do
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--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "ashtweth_nihilistic" <ashtweth@...>
wrote:
>
> Look up Eric dollars 4 quadrant theories, Peter lindermann has just
> pointed out that Erics paper is a proprietary method to extract 95%! o
> the reactive power that means we could have an off the shelf over
> unity devices g9iven the reactive power circuits on the net including
> the roto verter and the solid state version being the Trasverter.

Say what?

Another name for "reactive power" is "imaginary power". There's a
reason that term was picked.

Real power is what flows from generator to load to do useful work.
Reactive power is energy that sloshes back and forth between generator
and load on every AC cycle. The round trip heats wires and
transformers but doesn't do anything useful.

It's like mail ordering a lot of stuff only to return part of it and
then order it all over again. Great for UPS or FedEx, not great for
you or the merchant (depending on who has to eat the shipping).

I can no more achieve overunity in an AC system by "extracting"
reactive power than I can create merchandise out of the blue by
ordering it and returning it and hoping Mother Nature will get
confused and lose track.

#2054 From: "MagicBill" <htmagic@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Recovery of reactive power what we can all do
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Phil,

Ridiculous! In my Tesla coiling heydays when I was firing up my 4-inch
diameter secondary coil, it LOVED reactive power! In fact, it left the
resistive power at the meter and actually SLOWED DOWN THE METER! When
I fired the coil, the power meter would spin fast and then go to a
dead crawl. But the coil was just sparking away and filling my
basement full of ozone! (I was filling up the hole for AlGore!  ;-)  )
And I think it was playing games with the power factor too but not
only did I get cool 4 foot long sparks and a basement full of ozone
but a lower power bill...

MagicBill



--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Karn" <karn@...> wrote:
>
> --- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "ashtweth_nihilistic" <ashtweth@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Look up Eric dollars 4 quadrant theories, Peter lindermann has just
> > pointed out that Erics paper is a proprietary method to extract
95%! <SNIP>

> Say what?
>
> Another name for "reactive power" is "imaginary power". There's a
> reason that term was picked.
>
> Real power is what flows from generator to load to do useful work.
> Reactive power is energy that sloshes back and forth between generator
> and load on every AC cycle. The round trip heats wires and
> transformers but doesn't do anything useful.
>
> It's like mail ordering a lot of stuff only to return part of it and
> then order it all over again. Great for UPS or FedEx, not great for
> you or the merchant (depending on who has to eat the shipping).
>
> I can no more achieve overunity in an AC system by "extracting"
> reactive power than I can create merchandise out of the blue by
> ordering it and returning it and hoping Mother Nature will get
> confused and lose track.
>

#2055 From: "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...>
Date: Tue May 6, 2008 4:54 pm
Subject: HDN In Exile??
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Still been working with a few things with the 60 hz resonance,(using
the 12 lb coils of 23 gauge wire). I found I was wrong on some
aspects concerning the mutual inductance factor when the coils are
placed pole to pole.  A very great inbalance exists between coil
sytems and their amperage consumptions.  We could for example compare
the reactance or in this case where the impedance is practically the
same value as the inductive reactance, and what I found was that the
reactive amperage consumption for each coil can achieve a value
either 15% above or 15 % below the value achieved in isolation, this
was the same result shown with the larger 80 lb coils, and this
depends whether the magnetic fields are made in unison or
opposition.   I have not yet retuned the coils for each higher or
lower case, but the issue here is using 3 uf as a value close to that
needed in isolation, we find the reactive currents may differ by only
a few % pts at most, but when put into resonance, if I recall, (my
notes are not with me) one coil might pull 30 % more amperage then
the other.  The most mysterious thing however is the referencing of
secondary generated voltages in time to that of primary generated
voltages: for the scenario when the secondary is powered only by air
core induction by virtue of being somewhat of a tuned resonant
circuit.  We might have for example 2/3 the voltage on the secondary
that the primary shows in its voltage rise, but a volt meter BETWEEN
each primary and secondary AC voltage, despite the fact that the
LOWEST possible voltage difference between them would be the case
where they were in phase; in which case if the primary had 100 volts
across it and the secondary had 70 volts, The LEAST amount of voltage
that could be between them would be 30 volts, and that is if they
(the primary and secondary voltages) were in phase.  If we understand
the interpretation of Lenz law, perhaps then the secondaries voltages
would be 90 degrees out of phase with its air core induction source
of voltage, in which we should see a 100 volt difference between the
signals.  And for the maximum case of voltage difference we should
see 170 volts difference if the signals were 180 degrees out of
phase.  Yet for these three case scenarios, the voltages measured
between the primary and secondary remain near zero!!!  It almost as
if the secondary voltages occur in an entirely different time zone,
that cannot be referenced to our time sequence for comparison!  I can
only conclude that this is yet another example of time distortion
evident in electrical resonance.  The first example was the evidence
that over 360 degrees of phase variance between three (120 degree)
phases of resonant voltage rise can exist, which also defies logic...
      I may not have mentioned that in the previous white neon
discharge jpeg that the bulb was ballasted by a 3/8 inch block of
ferrite in series, and the bulb was still passing too much current
evidently because the ends of the bulb became very hot, including the
ferrite which was to be expected, but not the bulb itself.  I would
imagine running the neon bulb in that fashion would ruin it.  Doc
suggested that the end filaments might have a mercury coating that is
coming off during the discharge, hence the white color.  The normal
orange discharge was seen when instead discharging the neon to a
ground post.
      In other matters I am very perplexed concerning my use of the
internet. My computer is still being repaired by Hewlat Packard, it
is a Pavilion Notebook PC.  Sent out over a month ago first they said
it would be back April 12, then the 23rd, then when I called again
they didnt even give a delivery date, now today they say it will
arrive on May 12th.  The virus software on Doc's Computer expired so
we have been without a computer for some time, but now I have
arranged for him to obtain this, since his computer is at my
residence. He says he doesnt like Norton?? Go figure.  So today I
journeyed back to my brothers house to check my Yahoo mail. I have no
clue what is going on there, it only gives the first page containing
20 messages, and all the old entries are being deleted before I even
have a chance to read them!  What good is a mail service that only
gives you 20 messages in storage, when I pay them 25 dollars a year
for extra storage!  I guess I'm just going to have to raise some hell
about this, or just start using a different email harvich@...
is the one I started. In fact you HAVE to do such a thing to even
COMPLAIN to Yahoo, as they request an alternative email acct when you
complain to them, which they never seem to have answered my last
complaint.
    Will try to return some time later.
Sincerely HDN

#2056 From: Harvey Norris <harvich@...>
Date: Tue May 13, 2008 4:23 pm
Subject: Aluminum Square Tubing Primary Inductances?
harvich
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As mentioned some time ago, I am exploring a concept
using square tubing as the primary. It became
necessary to construct this as a pentagon, using 1 ft
by .5 X.5 in dimensions.  Five winds have been
connected in such a way that the pattern resembles a
horiz and vert  lateral cross; with the central wind
being one set, and winds 1-4 being another set, where
the central wind uses its entire surface area,(5 *.5 *
4)= 10 sq inch as the internal capacity of the
(primary)coil itself. The insulation between the winds
is a combination of superglue and PVC Radio Shack
Megacable speaker wire, that itself spirals around
this central wind for a total of (5 * 4 = 20) turns
around the pentagon. Thus an additional interweaving
set of winds is available for the purpose of measuring
a "lorentz force interaction"  between the central and
outer windings. This should only be the case if the
current directions between the central wind and the
outer winds are in opposition, thus reducing the
inductance of the primary.  But in this case both the
magnetic fields of the  individual outer conductor
winds and the central one will be in magnetic
agreement on adjacent conductors, and both a
orthogonal electric and magnetic field should be
present to move the free electrons of the speaker wire
on the third right angle of space as the interweaving
wire is laid.  The problem now becomes the LCR meter
readings accuracy, as this is a low end of inductance
measurement, and does not correspond the what
mathematical Wheeler equation type predictions yeild.
     If the primary were operated with all five winds
in agreement the Wavetech LCR meter reads 32.7 uH, and
for the central wind being opposite it reads 17 uH.
The intention here is to employ the arc gap IN SERIES
with the central winding, or within the primary  coil
itself and not external to the coil as other designs
dictate.  The midpoint open circuit break LCR C
reading seems high; .472 nf, perhaps the superglue has
a high dielectric constant.

     Thus we might suspect that operated in magnetic
agreement with the L and C values of 32.7 uH and .427
nF: the arc gapped resonator should yeild a frequency
of ~ 128 khz, but this does not account for the fact
the every changing electric field has a counterpart
magnetic field at right angles to itself, and this in
turn might change the acting L value of the primary.
Other larger scale measurements of this (magnetic flux
capacitor) effect at lower frequencies suggest a 10%
deviance from the book calculated  R(f) value, but the
direction of the deviance for this case is unknown,
where ordinarily this is determined by the polarity
connection of the capacity inserted into the
orthogonal space of the resonating inductors magnetic
field.

     For that unique case of (1/5th)external magnetic
cancellation, but internal magnetic unity using 17 uf,
the resonance formula yeilds a very high figure of
~1,777,000 hz.  Now the problem becomes comparisons to
formulas.  Using an average between 18 in. and 20.5
in. diameter as the pentagons closest and farthest
pts. and the formula
Uh= .8(R^2N^2)/[6R+9L+10B]
Where dimensions given in inches are used and have the
values
R = 9.625 in
L = 2 in.
B = 2 in

I arrive at a value just under 1 uH, about a 33 fold
error according to LCR meter.  Do folks think the LCR
meter is wrong?  Are formulas obscured by the unusual
geometry being employed here?

Sincerely Harvey D Norris

Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

#2057 From: "Steve Elswick" <steve@...>
Date: Wed May 14, 2008 3:17 pm
Subject: ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference Coming Soon!!!
teslatech2003
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Current preregistration discount for members is at 20%.... this
expires on May 31! The  ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference is just
around the corner, and now is a great time to preregister!  We have
just recently mailed out our programs in the mail, and have placed a
pdf version on the web.  It is at:
http://www.teslatech.info/ttevents/2008conf/program2008.pdf

Save an additional 5%  during the month of May with our Companion
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In addition to the great speakers, we will have a lot of hardware
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#2058 From: "miki02131" <miki02131@...>
Date: Mon May 19, 2008 5:54 am
Subject: VSG Replication
miki02131
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All,

My first test of the VSG (Vallee Synergetic Generator) resulted in the
meltdown of the connecting cables. The output heat and current was
significantly and terribly high. Please experiment but be careful. I
think that might be the first true working alternative technology.

I encourage everyone to give this one a short, you may not be
disappointed.

Thanks,

Miki.

#2059 From: "Bruce" <bruce_mccaskey@...>
Date: Tue May 20, 2008 1:33 am
Subject: Re: Tesla Engine Builders Association?
bruce_mccaskey
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I did get my books eventually; took a few weeks longer than usual. I
think he was out of town when I ordered them.


--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <bruce_mccaskey@...> wrote:
>
> I ordered some books from
>
> http://www.teslaengine.org/main.html
>
> but never heard back from them. Anyone else have any experience with
> them?
>
> thanks in advance
>
>
> Bruce
>

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