thanks.

Cartan turns Mathematica into a handy tensor computation tool and expert
system. The package adds a large number of geometrical functions and
variables to Mathematica with a a special view towards the needs of general
relativists, but the program is useful in all fields working with tensor
expressions.
http://www.adinfinitum.no/cartan/



On Tue, May 15th, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jacques Le Vangie
<mojavecowboy@...> wrote:

> Hi:
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> Try this, short and sweet:
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> http://www.ift.unesp.br/users/jpereira/views/view1.pdf
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> Jacques
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> "Fools Obey Planets, Wise Men Control Them"
> Dr.B.V.Raman
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> --- On Tue, 15/5/12, d_k@... <d_k@...> wrote:
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> From: d_k@... <d_k@...>
> Subject: Re: [teslafy] A Most Hyperdimensional Eclipse and Final Venus
> Transit
> To: teslafy@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, 15 May, 2012, 2:30 AM
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> > Richard Hoagland just released a MUST READ report:
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> > http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional-Eclipse.htm
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Hello all,

Richard Hoagland was the guest on Jay Weidner GAIAM TV show:
http://www.gaiamtv.com/live/lisa-garr?chan=Partner&utm_source=Partner_Disinfo&ut\
m_medium=Social&utm_campaign=live

You'll need to download Microsoft's Silverlight, which is done by
clicking on the player. Thank you for mentioning me Richard in the video!

I'll be participating in this experiment this weekend here at The
Launching Pad in Phoenix. I'll have my Accutron Watch setup and hooked
up to one of my computers. You'll be able to watch it LIVE at:
http://ProgressiveTechCenter.org

Go to the LIVE Broadcast webpage on ustream. It's called Progressive
Tech TV.

Bill

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10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste C200-436
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Here's the actual paper from which the authors draw their conclusions;
http://users.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ELF%20Earthquakes
I was able to wade through the math to grasp his essential points, some very
interesting theoretical data...
I had formerly made objections to what Aquino made known back in 2000 concerning
his antigravitational claims, as the data presented seemed non sensible. I was
thinking he must had made a spelling error or something when he specified his
frequency of operation as he was using minus signs on his exponent with ten as
the base. I spent yesterday looking through JLN archives to coroborate that
info. Finally I came across his webpage of which this latest 2011 paper appears.
I havent yet looked at earlier papers to find out what freq he was talking about
in 2000, but a thing called "system H" is also talked about for levitating a
cannon ball perhaps?, in which a reply was reached saying that Aquino was using
10^-3 hz  Then on Fri the 13th,2002 I finally reached the point of non
sensibility to make some kind of reply to some other guy espousing
Infrasonics....
Infrasonics/G and Weapons
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jlnlabs/message/26577
My reply;
Re: [jlnlabs] Infrasonics/G and Weapons



> > gravity. I have no idea how to engineer a 120 dB
> 0.001Hz sound
> wave
> > speaker as he proposed.
> >
> > Steve
If I recall, this Brazilian guy had quoted a frequency
of one microhertz, or a freq of 10^-6 hertz.
If that were a sound wave the speaker cone would go
back and forth as a cycle in 10^6 seconds, or a cycle
time of 277.7 hours or 23.1 days. Pretty damn
illogical. If we applied it as EM it is still totally
illogical. The quarterwavelength radio antennae would
be 36 times the diameter of the earth! If we took an
arbitrarily large inductance, say 1000 henries, and
calculated the C value it would need to resonate at
that frequency, it is also impractically incredibly
small, something like .04 picofarad.
HDN
Well anyways reading his paper cleared some things up, this very low freq; HAARP
uses 2.5 hz is actually contained as a modulation of the much higher radio wave
that is used to heat the ionisphere. In turn this sets up currents in the very
long lengths of the ionosphere that mimic a very long radio antennae far above
the earth that should be broadcasting this very enhanced low harmonic signal
back to earth. I recall that the USA has a buried 22 mile spiralled antennae in
Michigan to achieve underwater communication with submarines, perhaps that
antennae might pick up the HAARP modulated low frequency signal? I myself have
some 300 H in large inductance air core coils that might be paired with capacity
to receive a 2.5 hz signal. But dismissing these speculations, including the
many sounds people heard comming from the sky not long ago when the trumpet of
Jericho was sounding off, the Aquino paper has some amusing things on page 13...

Aquino makes a proposition of an airplane making a 3000km journey. He uses his
derived equation and both the density and conductivity of aluminum to conclude
that if a low frequency 1 hz electric field oscillation @ 100,000
volts(rms)/meter suddenly appeared along the planes trajectory, the new distance
of the journey would be just .08 km!  Whoa, its a good thing he put that rms
figure in there for accuracy! If this doesnt make your petunia pucker the next
proposition should. Next he uses a steel ship in the ocean and its density
considerations and his magic formulas to conclude that this time he only needs
1360 volts(rms) per meter @ 1hz for a uniform field and when the ship starts out
in Jan 1st 1943, it automatically instantly arrives at Jan 1st, 1981, down to
the O hours,0min,0sec.s!!!! However it is very important to note that the
electromagnetic field, besides being uniform, must remain with the ship during
this time transition. It must be
  contained on the ship itself, but another problem,(that he next proposes to
fix!), is that because of persons on the ship containing different
conductivities and densities they will perform different transitions to
different times, in italics he reveals that "in this way it is unsuitable and
highly dangerous to make transitions to the future with persons".  Hope everyone
had as much laughter as I did when reading his material. Perhaps he has been
conversing with Al Bielec or Preston Nichols here? In any case I decided to post
my own resume at this newspaper site known as before its news...  Back again
later with that info...
Sincerely Harvey D Norris
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/


--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Terry Blanton <hohlraum@...> wrote:

> From: Terry Blanton <hohlraum@...>
> Subject: [Vo]:Can HAARP Alter Spacetime?
> To: vortex-l@...
> Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 9:47 PM
> Inquiring minds want to know:
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> http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2167/703/Physicist:_HAARP_Manipulates_Time.html
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64 views before announcement...
beforeitsnews.com/story/2177/069/Localized_time-_space_curvature_demonstrated_fr\
om_3_phase_alternator_powered_666_machine.html

This measurement showed in the video is the most important measurement ever made
regarding relativity, besides that of the eclipse of the sun verifying
Einstein's concepts. It furthermore shows that it is not necessary to make
astronomical measurements to show the principles involved with relativity, and
that machines exhibiting a "localized" time space curvature are indeed possible.
Topological Evidence of Time Distortion in the 666 Machine
youtu.be/uakJJKGf-mM
Biography: Founder of Tesla Research Group
nventor of the 666 machine, a special torsional device that can either expand or
compress the time periods acting between the three phases of a three phase power
source. This utilyses a higher dimensional vector expressed in the 3D space,
whereas the vectors of ordinary three phase machines will show their resultant
voltages plotted as vectors in time as a 2D flat diagram. 3 dimensional
representation of voltage vectors in time are necessary to show the results of
the 666 machine's operation. If we try to represent them in the conventional
manner employed with a 2D vector diagram; we wind up with the quandary of a 3rd
resultant vector solution appearing to exist as two different vectors on that 2D
vector diagram. By cutting out the piece of pie between these two vector
solutions: and then folding the entire diagram into a 3D cone shape by
connecting the two solutions into a single solution; we now have a 3D vector
system to show the actions of the
  machine by its plotted vectors. This vector translation becomes necessary to
describe a machine whereby the normal 360 degrees of separation in time are
compressed to an amount shown by the (missing) portion of time cut out of the 2D
diagram as a pie shape into a 3D cone shape; in order to make all the quantities
"fit" together as a coherant vector solution showing the actions of the machine.
A space-time "curvature" will now exist between resonant voltage rises of all
three phases involved as inputs. From our perspective however the full 360
degrees of a time circle will no longer exist on the resonated outputs. This
measurement is the most important measurement ever made regarding relativity,
besides that of the eclipse of the sun verifying Einstein's concepts. It
furthermore shows that it is not necessary to make astronomical measurements to
show the principles involved with relativity, and that machines exhibiting a
"localized" time space curvature
  are indeed possible.

Dual Channel Scopings of Secondaries to be placed in Series(from 666 machine)

youtu.be/CBR1z5WaKAE

There is a "time" difference present between the magnetic fields from just a
single phase of 3 coils in series when looking at the enter and exit pole faces
from that phase.(Shown at end of video) Thus each of three phases of the three
phase process may be split into delayed and advanced portions of time.  This
furthermore enables a series pairing of an advanced portion from one phase to a
delayed portion of the next phase of the phase rotation to yield near
simultaneous signals. In the next video this is done three times to yield a
voltage signal containing 97% of the total voltages initially separated in time
by 120 degrees.

15 watt bulb demo shows 50% more power through the air by three seriesed
secondaries. The initial bulb used as a comparison is 120 VAC from wall source
to compare what is made through the air @ 180 volts. Coils are later lifted from
their magnetic field source to show the air core transformer action.

youtu.be/GMvr2Ka8NDQ

The actual compressional distortion of time is ~ 310 degrees, not the mentioned
345 degrees.  This value may be calculated by using the law of cos and the 6
resonant and interphasal voltages.  225 volts is obtained from the additions
normally yielding 232.8 volts if those timeings were in fact in unison. The
normal addition of 3 phase voltages in time would be zero volts if no coil
reversals were employed.

Retrying URL if not accessible
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2177/069/Localized_time-_space_curvature_\
demonstrated_from_3_phase_alternator_powered_666_machine.html
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

Excellent results here. This model superceeds all previous ones that formerly
only used one four layers unit:133 winds per phase, and having the high
induction secondary coils acting independendtly for the two secondary arc gap
voltages. This method instead uses the secondaries taken with the series of
their voltages applied to two primaries in series, with middle placement of the
arc gap. Two of the available 6 poles from the 666 system are used as power
inputs. Very efficient demonstration of action. Analysis of this system using
just gas bulb loads should show a high power factor. Easily boasted as the
worlds most efficient high frequency system to date, pending consideration of
voltage drop vs load demand, which appears reversed on one phase that developes
higher then input voltages.
HDN

Hello all,

Just to give you a heads up, I'm lining up researcher Lloyd Pye of the
Star Child Project to be my guest on the Progressive Technology Hour in
two weeks! This will be an absolutely incredible show - the topic -
Reverse Engineering the Creation of Humanity by Ancient Extraterrestrial
Genetic Engineers. If your familiar with the new movie that's out called
Prometheus, you'll have a hint of what's to come.

http://VortexNetworkNews.com

What you've been taught in Sunday School isn't close to reality!

Bill

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PROGRESSIVE TECH CENTER, INC.
10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste C200-436
Phoenix, AZ 85028
PHONE: 602-626-8115
URL: http://progressivetechcenter.org/

Simply put, the efficiency of this voltage rise may be measured by drop of
potential in comparisons of open circuit voltage vs load voltage drop. In this
machine then there of these considerations, since there are three phases of
resonant voltage rise. In general a lowering of input amperage from source to
load occurs. Since the device employs two phases as secondary loads; the
independent addition of loads and the primary changes accompanying this should
first be noted.
HDN

Hello all,

Checkout our NEW website, "Return of the Gods Gallery":
http://ReturnOfTheGodsGallery.com

I'm predicting 2013 will be The Year of the Extraterrestrial! When the
Gods Return.

For more info, please contact EJ Heaven & Aurora Light by phone or email.

Bill

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PROGRESSIVE TECH CENTER, INC.
10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste C200-436
Phoenix, AZ 85028
PHONE: 602-626-8115
URL: http://progressivetechcenter.org/

3 phase alternator /Wireless bipolar TC driven by 666 pancake spiral system

~7.2 volt input @ 465 hz. Empty loaded state shown with phases 1,2 & 3 added in
succession. Voltage kickback from load to source shows average volts input =
empty loaded state. Highest efficiency TC considering no average loss of voltage
takes place under loading. Load appears to power its source.
http://youtu.be/D64du8RYAtQ

Meters now rearranged to capture pics for phase angle states.
HDN

Hello all,

I'm introducing a new product I've been working on called SmartWATCH at
the Extraordinary Technology Conference, July 26-29 in Albuquerque NM:
http://SmartWATCHSystem.com

SmartWATCH is an electronic timing processor that precisely measures the
frequency of a Bulova Accutron watch to 6 significant digits or 360.000
Hz. 10 times more precise than the competition!

SmartWATCH is perfect for experimenters looking to detect scalar /
torsion field phenomenon emitted from their projects.

The SmartWATCH Sytem includes an Accutron Mass Fluctation Sensor, Ultra
Precise Timing Processor, USB cable that connects to your notebook
computer and Graphical Display Software for Windows or Mac OS.

See you at the conference!
http://teslatech.info/ttevents/prgframe.htm

Bill

--
William S. Alek, Chief Director, President
PROGRESSIVE TECH CENTER, INC.
10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste C200-436
Phoenix, AZ 85028
PHONE: 602-626-8115
URL: http://progressivetechcenter.org/
--
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PROGRESSIVE TECH CENTER, INC.
10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste C200-436
Phoenix, AZ 85028
PHONE: 602-626-8115
URL: http://progressivetechcenter.org/

--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...> wrote:
>
> 3 phase alternator /Wireless bipolar TC driven by 666 pancake spiral system
>
> ~7.2 volt input @ 465 hz. Empty loaded state shown with phases 1,2 & 3 added
in succession. Voltage kickback from load to source shows average volts input =
empty loaded state. Highest efficiency TC considering no average loss of voltage
takes place under loading. Load appears to power its source.
> http://youtu.be/D64du8RYAtQ
>
> Meters now rearranged to capture pics for phase angle states.
> HDN
10 & 20 Volt Operation of Wireless Bipolar TC via 666 Pancake Spirals
http://youtu.be/KqtA7iVaCUg

--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@> wrote:
> >
> > 3 phase alternator /Wireless bipolar TC driven by 666 pancake spiral system
> >
> > ~7.2 volt input @ 465 hz. Empty loaded state shown with phases 1,2 & 3 added
in succession. Voltage kickback from load to source shows average volts input =
empty loaded state. Highest efficiency TC considering no average loss of voltage
takes place under loading. Load appears to power its source.
> > http://youtu.be/D64du8RYAtQ
> >
> > Meters now rearranged to capture pics for phase angle states.
> > HDN
> 10 & 20 Volt Operation of Wireless Bipolar TC via 666 Pancake Spirals
> http://youtu.be/KqtA7iVaCUg
Seriesed  secondaries atop 666 coil system. Those fields measured to be 130
degrees apart by noting the dual voltages and their series addition. (1st 10
volt case) The voltage rises of phases 1 & 3 when compared show OVER a 180 phase
angle. (13+45<68) Thus a 3d phase angle representation is not possible.  Proof
that the device is outputing voltage back to the alternator to enable its output
to be greater then its open circuit state is shown by the fact that it costs a
loss of amperage on that phase to enable that kickback.  Thus it is not
desirable for this to take place, since it actually decreases the output of the
input energy.

Two points of time are selected for analysis of power inputs. These are 4;12 in
the 10 volt in the first run and 7:32 in the second run.
These will be marked in the video description.
HDN

In the following video two aspects of time distortion are shown.  The first is
the making of a voltage system where the whole is greater then the sum of its
parts. Here it is shown that 13+43.3=69.2, where the numbers express the vector
addition of voltages created in time.  The second portion is the showing of a
system that reflects voltage back to its source so that when the third element
or phase is added, the source of voltage actually increases, rather then
decreasing, which is the normal function of the alternator when a resistive load
is added. I now understand that when this occurs, a loss of amperage from the
operation of the system on that phase does occur.  First of all to show people
what I am talking about I shut everything down, and then reconnect the three
phases of off timed energy inputs in order, one at a time. By the time the third
phase is added, the loads then start charging up their source of voltage, and
about 60% more voltage appears from the sender source then should logically be
present. Logic even dictates that if I put another load there on that phase
giving out extra energy, the source of voltage would again be reduced to the
amount shown at startup, but in the meantime this extra load has been powered
for free!  So when people ask me what my wireless tesla coil is good for, I tell
them that it converts time into energy! Since this occurs we might call that
kind of load a "negative" resistance, since it does the opposite from what an
ordinary resistance will do.  At the beginning of the video I open all the loads
at their middle connection, so that the capacitors all read zero volts, and the
coils all read zero amps. What has caused me to initially laugh about this
situation is that even though zero current and zero voltage are being read
across the capacitors, we can still determine the separation of timed impulses
in time across those capacitors connected by only one delivery wire, in that if
we take the remaining endings removed from their source, and measure the voltage
between them they will read the source voltage!  So essentially we have three
voltage meters in series where the outside voltage meters read zero, but the
inside one shows the voltage that will exist once we connect the circuits! It
might seem like we have measured a voltage seemingly from nothing but this is
simply the wrong way to look at things, so it seemed funny to me at first, but
now it is common sense.
~60% Voltage Kickback from Load to Stator Source(ph3)
http://youtu.be/8LUVyus1Yzg
Operation of Bipolar TC in Kickback Mode producing effect of load charging its
own source of voltage.  Effects include excess voltage noted between phases 1 &
3 where this represents quantities being over 180 phased in time. At 13:48 near
end of video we have 69.2 volts appearing between 13 volts and 43.3 volts. The
interphasal voltage meters with parenthesis are there to determine the phase
angle of time between each separate voltage rise. The most that the 1-3 meter
can record in our ordinary dimension of time having 360 degrees of time
separation would be 13 + 43.3 = 56.3 volts, but it reads 23% over that value at
69.2 volts.  So we cannot use the voltage meters to determine the total amount
of time expansion involved, but rather then we must use the amperage stator
amps/phase amps in delta delivery ratios to determine the amount of time
expansion. At 8:37 both the left and right top stator amp meters show amperages
slightly under the total amount of phase amperages existing on the arms of their
load, accounting for 180 degrees of amperage difference in time on each ending
delta triangle point. (If all the current from the phases returns on a stator
line, the currents are 180 out of phase) The remaining stator line showing 1.18
A serving .49A and 1.45A shows a 42 degree phase angle by the law of cos.; which
is used to determine any interior angle of a triangle once the outer lengths are
given. 402 total degrees of time separation are proved in this video. Machines
exhibiting a "localized" time space curvature are indeed possible. The 666
machine primary system used to power a wireless bipolar tesla coil literally
converts time into energy, thus accounting for the phenomenal efficiency of its
powering of loads. This is literally the discovery of a method to create and
harness the manipulation of "curved" space-time to release energy by means of
compression of magnetic fields in time, sourced from timings of resonance
themselves separated in time, with the end result showing an expansion of time
itself caused by those repelling magnetic fields.

The former wireless bipolar TC videos were made using only 3 spiral elements
from each of the three phases sandwiched together, and held unbalanced amperages
on all phases. In order for a balance to be achieved 9 spiral elements placed as
the entire 666 machine was used; and only two of the six polar areas selected
for powering the bipolar TC by placing (tuned) high induction coils over those
areas. This method known as the ninth embodiment is far superior to earlier
models, all of which except one used no transformers to achieve the primary
voltage rise. Instead the voltage rise is accomplished by series resonance on
the primary and secondary precursors to the tesla coil itself. Hence as named it
is a 666 machine powered tesla coil. Once the secondary high induction coil
loads are attached in space over two of six polar areas, the amperage deliveries
again become unbalanced, but we are starting from a unloaded balanced state.

3 phase alternator /Wireless bipolar TC driven by 666 pancake spiral system
http://youtu.be/D64du8RYAtQ
~7.2 volt input @ 465 hz. Empty loaded state shown with phases 1,2 & 3 added in
succession. Voltage kickback from load to source shows average volts input =
empty loaded state. Highest efficiency TC considering no average loss of voltage
takes place under loading. Load appears to power its source.
July 16, 2012

July 28, 2012
Comparison of 3 phases of real power I^2R inputs to two secondary I^2R outputs
(Unfinished, need to show bulb operation coil loss)
http://youtu.be/LJL-8U3bdQU

July 28, 2012
10 & 20 Volt Operation of Wireless Bipolar TC via 666 Pancake Spirals
http://youtu.be/KqtA7iVaCUg

August 9, 2012 (posted today)
~60% Voltage Kickback from Load to Stator Source(ph3)
http://youtu.be/8LUVyus1Yzg

Sincerely
HDN

Greetings,

The following video documents the awakening of a whole new frontier of science.

I can attest that it is authentic and factual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V13xKUPTvTY

Respectfully,

Michael Ritcher

Your Resolved Question
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Amperage Rise for Air core transformer with identical components on primary and
secondary.?
I want to build a tesla coil with special requirements. I want to eliminate the
high voltage ferromagnetic step up transformer that gives enough voltage to
operate the primary arc gap. In place of this first requirement I instead want
to use series resonance, which gives a voltage rise according to the acting Q of
the coil, or the value approaching X(L)/R if it acted in an ideal manner. I also
noticed that (source frequency) resonance also can incorporate a amperage rise
for the inverse example of parallel resonance, the often quoted "tank circuit".
In that case more amperage exists inside the output loop, then the amount of
amperage contained in the wires supplying electricity to the loop as a parallel
circuit is described. I have two identical high induction coils of 2.4 H,140
ohms,23 gauge wire. I want to use identical paired C values for both elements
that cancel the reactance. I will hook up the primary L and C values in series
with respect to its
  voltage source. I will hook up the secondary L and C values in a loop as is
customary for the air core secondary. I have heard that air core transformers
can superceed the normal amp-turns ratios present in ferromagnetic transformers;
that is the secondary will contain the same amount of amp-turns as the primary.
This is the normal mechanism for determining amperage and voltage outputs for
the ferromagnetic transformer;ie- if half the winds are on the secondary we get
half the voltage but twice the amperage, making it a step down transformer. If
twice the winds are on the secondary, we obtain twice the voltage at half the
amperage, ect.. So what I want is the best of both worlds, both a voltage gain
AND an amperage gain,(NOT THE NORMAL INVERSE) All this should be possible
provided the air core transformer can have an output of amp-turns GREATER then
what is inputed. I should need at least 4 times the amount of amp-turns to make
this tesla coil powered
  by resonance, rather then a transformer. It will also be a totally wireless
tesla coil, since the primary arc gap receives its energy through the air.
Remember I want to use two identical 2.4 Henry coils atop each other in space,
one as a primary and one as a secondary, where the secondary demonstrates BOTH a
four fold amperage gain AND a four fold voltage gain,(not the normal inverse
action). Can this be done, or am I wasting my time here?

     2 weeks ago

Mook Mook
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I have to throw out a red flag any time someone mentions, "It will also be a
totally wireless tesla coil, since the primary arc gap receives its energy
through the air."

I realize it's stupid to call something impossible just because I haven't seen
it. Could you provide links to a site explaining EXACTLY how a spark receives
its energy through the air? If you can't explain it thoroughly, I call bull
crap. What exactly would your power source be?

Keep in mind as well that total power input will have to slightly exceed total
power output to make up for resistive losses. In an ideal transformer of any
kind the power ratio would be 1:1, but there's no such thing as an ideal
transformer. Producing a 4-fould voltage AND current increase is simply
impossible.

We're also going to need more information about your setup. You say your coils
are 2.4H? Either they're monstrously large, or they have multiple layers. In a
Tesla Coil, the resonator coil MUST be a single layer coil if you want a high
voltage output, otherwise you'll see great losses. Are your coils helical?
Placing one -on top- of the other won't provide enough coupling between the
coils to have adequate power transfer between them. It is possible to wrap a
helical coil around the base of the resonator in a two-coil TC, but it's been
shown over and over again that a flat spiral primary is more efficient. It
doesn't matter if the Fres is identical in both coils. They need to be properly
designed and coupled in order to produce "Tesla effects".

If you can provide ALL the details of what you want to build, I'll build one too
so that we see two independent tests of the same device...that's assuming you
want to be scientific in any remote way. If not, then I hope you get joy out of
building something even though it won't work, because that's OK too.


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How to reply to Mook when he asked questions about my wireless tesla coil?
My first edited synopsis of the wireless tesla coil/first embodiment
http://youtu.be/EBlMvo4xwO4
People ask questions about your individual question, yet I see no way to reply
to them. Why do they ask questions if there is no way to email them? Is there an
actual way to email a responder to your "Asked Questions" Why do these dummies
assume they can be contacted with an answer and keep asking questions when there
seems no apparent way to make a reply to them? Now you want to know why I can
get four times the amperage AND voltage with energy transfer between equal coils
as asked in http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?… Heres what Mook said and
received a best answer for;
" Producing a 4-fould voltage AND current increase is simply impossible".
Unfortunately for Mook he is not the founder of teslafy yahoo group which
advertises itself as "pioneering the applications of interphasal resonances",
but I am that person and so I will now tell folks how something that appears to
be impossible, is possible and HOW it is done. At the beginning of my video I
show a collection of 500 ft spools of 14 gauge wire. There are nine there in
that example, and I put three in series for each phase, and power all three
phases with a 3 phase car alternator. Each phase is series resonated by giving
an equal reactance capacitor in series and this produces an internal voltage
rise with respect to the voltage inputed by the alternator itself.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/549… The next photo shows the individual
voltage rises on each phase produced from a 1 volt source, AND the voltages
BETWEEN the phases midpoints where the phase angles between those voltage rises
can also be calculated from the law of cos. Now people may ask:What is an
interphasal resonance? Well this is just a second generation resonance with LC
series values placed across the first generation of LC series values, and since
this is BETWEEN the phases at the midpoints of their resonances we call it
"interphasal"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/549…
The interphasal resonance's (resistive value) can load down it's source of
voltage far past the point of maximum energy transfer(if R(load) approaches
R(int)source) so that over half of the starting voltage input is wiped out and
we have it going from 25 volts to 7 volts allowing a 15 ma consumption (12 min
into video) Now we add another identical LC loop in space above that coil and
now we find that its voltage goes back up to 20 volts, but its conduction has
gone down to 3 ma. The second LC loop in space has COUPLED with the first coil
working as the interphasal resonance and this has caused it's (acting resistive
value) to rise to such a high value that now only 3 ma issues through that coil,
but at a greater efficiency of delivery from the observation that the starting
voltage of 25 volts only dropped by 1/5 to 20 volts, and the original starting
~15 ma on the first coil now instead appears on the second coil as the energy
transfer through space,
  also giving a voltage rise past 5 times the source voltage of 20 volts seen in
this case. 20V-3ma INPUT; 109V-15 ma OUTPUT IS MADE AS A MANIPULATION OF THE
MAXIMUM ENERGY TRANSFER LAW STARTING FROM INNEFFICIENT OVERLOAD MARGIN BEING
BROUGHT BACK UP TO EFFICIENT POWER TRANSFER BY COUPLING OF THE OVERLOAD SOLITARY
STATE TO A HIGHER RESISTIVE VALUE MADE BY COUPLING OF THE INDUCTORS TOGETHER. If
one wishes to go even farther on what I do as considered to be impossible, now
in the NINTH EMBODIMENT of the wireless TC with 1.5 inch arcing the load can be
seen as powering its own source of voltage.
3 phase alternator /Wireless bipolar TC driven by 666 pancake spiral system
http://youtu.be/D64du8RYAtQ
~7.2 volt input @ 465 hz. Empty loaded state shown with phases 1,2 & 3 added in
succession. Voltage kickback from load to source shows average volts input =
empty loaded state. Highest efficiency TC considering no average loss of voltage
takes place under loading. Load appears to power its source.
July 16, 2012

July 28, 2012
10 & 20 Volt Operation of Wireless Bipolar TC via 666 Pancake Spirals
http://youtu.be/KqtA7iVaCUg

August 9, 2012
~60% Voltage Kickback from Load to Stator Source(ph3)
http://youtu.be/8LUVyus1Yzg

     1 week ago

Mook Mook
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The main reason I removed the contact me option is because I don't want to be
flooded with emails any more from people trying to convince me that Tesla Coils
break the laws of physics. It is possible to add to your own YA submission to
have some simple semblance of a conversation.

Please forgive me for not founding a Yahoo group.

Please also forgive me if I misunderstood your previous question/statement. It
seemed as though you were talking about over unity, more out than in, which is
simply impossible unless you have another source of energy feeding your system.
And now you come in and say, "Load appears to power its source." I'm not sure
what to take away from that. If you've come across an as of yet undiscovered
source of energy, then we should leap for joy because that would be amazing!

My gripe is simply that if you want to make these claims, please provide finite
details so that others can build it too. Pictures of meters and spools of wire
just won't cut it. A clear, concise schematic would be swell. I'd like to see it
detail the workings of every component in your system including the power
supply, and please word it with "common" language. There's no need for technical
jargon.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, and I never will. I'm perfectly willing to be
completely wrong. In fact, I welcome it as it presents opportunities to learn. I
was trying my best to be helpful and I'm sorry if I came off as a jerk.


5 fold wireless gain of amperage between equal coils
Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:01 PM
 
http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/08/inventor-shows-5-fold-wi\
reless-gain-of-amperage-between-equal-coils-2463024.html
I get in arguments all the time about what I am talking about, so this article
pretty much explains the special circumstances involved here, and it uses an
interphasal resonance as the sender of vibrations.  Anyone with access to three
phase could reproduce my experiments with special coils, but a higher then 60 hz
frequency is also very helpful for the simple fact it becomes much easier to
procure coils with a high q factor if we instead have a three phase source such
as a car alternator that also produces a higher frequency then 60 hz. Then using
ordinary 500 ft 14 gauge coils with just two of them and an alternator frequency
in the 400 hz range it is easy to procure Q factor internal voltage rise factors
in the 15 range. And you will be outraged at the electrical books explanation
for resonant phenomenon because it is a pipe dream expounded by theorists who
never actually did the experiments to verify what they are talking about. The
real Q factor
never equals X(L)/R, and the inductor never comes to an ohms law conduction at
resonance. I purposely selected the best circumstance I could find which was a
coil resonance at 60 hz and found that only 83% of ohms law conduction issued.
http://youtu.be/LgXfbkqxBok
In any case what I am talking about is using voltages DERIVED FROM SERIES
RESONANCE. If you are using AC voltages derived from ferromagnetic transformers,
which is what everyone is familiar with; then you cant get more out of a coil
then what you sent in. But resonant rise obtained voltages has instances of
secondaries exceeding the normal amp turn ratios. Heres some jpegs past what is
shown on the video, where the coil imparts energy to other components and the
ending component still has energy obtained in excess to the sending amount.
These are the other components seen in the video, but not dealt with in
application as they are given open connections.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/7907775572/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/7907801088/
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvJtKTvvGQ0FqntmuI0GJhLty6IX;_ylv=3\
?qid=20120829161924AAguLPE


I have two voltages out of phase on two(high turn amount) secondary coils in
space and I connect one wire between them and measure the voltage on the
remaining endings. These coils receive their emf by sitting in the pole areas of
primary(low turns) air core coils issung AC magnetic fields that are almost
opposite in their timing cycles issuing opposite North and south poles, I
connect the bottom wire of both coils and read a 300 volt value from the top
connections of the coils, but the individual voltages on the coils are measured
at 175 volts..When I apply the law of cos using the 300 volts as the hypotenuse
I arrive at something near a 120 degree phase angle Is this correct? This does
not seem correct to me as 300/350 = 6/7. This would mean that going from 120 to
180 degrees phase difference,the last seventh of the total of opposite voltages
then appears. There is one lame answer here in Engineering category/ and is
still open for answer.

I would have someone reply as follows;
Series Addition of Stator Voltages Separated 1/3 in Time shows Unity of Timings
via 666 Machine; Proving that it IS a Time Distortion Machine
http://youtu.be/RBaOZTLgb3M
  There is shades of the double slit experiment here noted as follows. When we
measure three secondaries in series all the fields appear closely in phase and
the highest amperage between them developes.
Dual Channel Scopings of Secondaries to be placed in Series from (corrected) 666
Machine; ~ 60 degree Time Difference from poles over Identical Phase Series!
This actually explains how fields in near unison can exist from the
combinations.
http://youtu.be/CBR1z5WaKAE
  So if we measure the fields on just the top, they will be 120 out of phase and
this is the condition made for the 9th embodiment of the wireless TC where we
form a power supply for the bipolar tesla coil by seriesing those resonant rises
of voltage using large inductance 2.4H coils of 140 ohms for the collectors; and
these are placed over the 120 degree magnetic fields for a four fold increase
from the reactive case, an unusually low q factor for these coils, which has
given me the idea of "STAGED SECONDARIES" But the point here is the reaction of
these coils to various combinations of primaries and secondaries Shows that if
just a single high induction coil is employed the smallest recorded amperage
ensues: if the next adjacent 120 degree pole area is chosen for the additional
current, both currents rise to a slightly higher value, and if I have this right
when the line between them is connected and the other end of the combo is still
given open connection there is a doubling of current on each coil. I will have
to repost later on this issue as I may have things wrong Heres a closed reply
for physics list;
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvH5shv1p.G5SIL3F31fK5Tsy6IX;_ylv=3\
?qid=20120829161423AAonRVk

checked your numbers and agree.
I get 118 degrees.
And although the result may seem surprising a check of the values of cosine
shows that it is correct.
If you draw the scale diagram with the two vectors at 120 degrees and another
with the vectors at 180 degrees and measure the hypotenuse in each case, it
should put your mind at rest.
After all when two identical vectors are at 90 degrees the result is over 70 %
of the sum of the two individual vectors.

My apparently wrong reasoning:
the answer should be only the X component that lies on the x axis and the
negative and positive voltages developed as a highest voltage different points
in time. Therefore the vector problem should always be set up so as to show the
hypotenuse as a parallel solution to the x axis, so that no discrepencies
between the answers can exist. If we choose the 175 volts on one side to be the
positive , the negative side should have only have half the starting amount of
175 volts as its x-coordinant reflection of the vector. This makes perfect sence
in the light of the fact that in three phase if we have 1A max on one side, the
other sides will contain -.5A instantaneously in time. This would be a voltage
3/4 of the total voltage difference. Yet the voltage that developes between them
is instead 6/7ths of the total difference between them on a 120 degree phase
angle? should this not then be a larger phase angle we are measuring? Apparently
not, but this descrepancy of reasoning exists on my side.
HDN

Various ways of connecting these will be shown.
HDN

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>
> Are YOU still MESSing up TIME, Harvey?
> We are skipping [lines] as if we are
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> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 5:04 AM
> Subject: [teslafy] Single Megacable spools set as receptors/ 3 pole areas of
666 machine
>
> Various ways of connecting these will be shown.
> HDN
http://youtu.be/SeUXEKl0e4M
Series unity of three phase signals tested via 42/1 step up transformer loads

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http://youtu.be/Z5fRoHF6NbY
Demonstration of "adding a third opposite in time" in series with the ordinary
duality of adding two opposites in time to attain the highest voltage between
them. This according to the expressed phase angle between them according to a
three meter law of cos measurement. For every two voltage meters in this three
meter series, another voltage meter is placed whose magnitude represents the
longer "hypotenuse" portion of the triangle formed by all three vectors and also
the phase angle as that made between the source vectors themselves. Inside the
180 degrees of "our"dual polarity time exist an another 180 degrees of triple
polarity time and an extra 120 degrees of triple polarity time. 300/180 or 5/3
extra time appears in this triple polarity time system. TO CLAIM THAT WE ARE
CONVERTING TIME INTO ENERGY IS TO MERELY FIND THE "LOAD" WHEREBY THE INPUT
VOLTAGE IS CAUSED TO BE REDUCED WELL BELOW 50% OF ITS OPEN CIRCUIT STATE, SO
THAT FURTHERMORE INSPECTION OF THE INTERIOR "TRIPLE DUAL POLARITY" VOLTAGE
SUMMATIONS THEN RESUMES A VALUE OF 180 DEGREES OF THE DUAL POLARITY SYSTEM.

When we next test a neon we find that a 2/3 reduction of open circuit voltage
takes place, but individual dual series component phase angle measurements of
158.5 degrees and 73.9 degrees are recorded so that 5/3, or 66% extra time has
been reduced to 232.4/180 = 1.291 Thus the neon discharge is still being sourced
from a 29% expanded time frame. Thus at least 22.5% of the energy expressed by
the neon discharge is being obtained in the conversion of time into energy.
HDN

Like Dr. Who's small telephone booth containing an expansion of space once
entered; these experiments show an output obtained by drawing from frames of
time reference having an "Expanded" time contained within it. A complete triple
duality time system will contain  360+180=540  degrees.  A certain voltage is
offered to the circuit where we must conclude that voltage is above what could
ordinarily be had in the dual opposite polarity system. Ordinarily as a gauge if
the developed voltage is OVER the sum of two of the three voltage inputs, then
time is being converted into energy. But  at1:45 in the video we see the wide
phase angle pickup@... degrees will contribute OVER 2/3 the voltage to be
outputed shown at 5.17 volts, and since 158.5/180= 88%, out of the 3.96 volts
only 88% of that voltage will be applied to the neon load, or 3.48 volts. The
next segment being ~74 degrees have 74/180= 41 % of its 3.64 volts to be applied
to neon load or 1.49 volts. That summation amounts to 3.64+1.48= 5.12 volts, in
close agreement to meter reading of 5.17 volts. But we are using phase angles of
158.5 and 74 degrees to achieve that higher voltage reading, and this is 29 %
over the voltages given using complete opposites from the dual polarity system 
thus we further conclude that the output contains 29% extra energy as a
conversion of time into energy.
http://youtu.be/zcqMfNKbvWw