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Re: [TDD] New Article: Kate Oneal on Productivity

Kelly Anderson wrote:
> Ron, I work for a company that is not primarily a software company.
> They have this system of setting measurable goals for every part of
> the company. Manufacturing, sales, marketing, and development. The
> same system is applied equally to every part of the company. Now, I
> think setting measurable goals for a sales person is pretty easy...
> I'll sell $350,000 worth of stuff this year. But applying the same
> system blindly to software and hardware development is where I get off
> the train.

Seems to me that this is a case of local optimization, probably at the
expense of the global optimization. Pushing for better performance
within a small part of the overall flow often increases the overall
waste. There's a neat little simulation about flipping coins that shows
this very nicely.

Mary Poppendieck talks about 3M applying goals to each division, and
everybody in the division inherited those goals and their compensation
was, in part, related to the meeting of those goals. This sort of
vertical slicing of goals seems to work a lot better than the horizontal
slicing of goals (e.g., sales, manufacturing, development, etc). It's a
lot like software development in that respect.

- George

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... Seems to me that this is a case of local optimization, probably at the expense of the global optimization. Pushing for better performance within a small...
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... Let me try again. From the description you give, I take it that there are goals to optimize sales, different goals to optimize manufacturing, and yet...
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 4:05 PM, George Dinwiddie ... Yes, every person sets their own goals, in the context of what their department is trying to accomplish. ...
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... OK, get 8 people to play with you and let me know how the numbers come out. ... That's part of it, but also that having diverse goals penalizes the ...
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Clarke, Andrew ... There has been some discussion on this.. Read Mike Cohn / Alistair Cockburn works. the central premise...
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Hello, kathyvs. On Wednesday, March 5, 2008, at 2:02:03 PM, you ... My point exactly. Let's hope Bill is turned around. I think he is basically good hearted....
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Hello, Kelly. On Wednesday, March 5, 2008, at 2:06:31 PM, you ... What do you think their "true goals" should be? Isn't continuous improvement one of our...
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Hello, Kelly. On Wednesday, March 5, 2008, at 7:20:38 PM, you ... Checking the tapes, I see no one suggesting the niggling gathering of data. I would think...
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Hello, Kelly. On Thursday, March 6, 2008, at 3:40:16 PM, you ... It's supposed to be idealized. It is about how to do things well. ... See, there you are....
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