Re: [TDD] Re: Community call to action - Where are all the testers
Hello, Mike. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 11:35:14 AM, you
wrote:
> Rather, the benefit and real purpose of TDD as we
> teach it is sheer productivity: more function faster.
I very much agree that this is the real benefit, and I admire your
cojones(1) in coming right out and saying it.
Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Assume that anything you didn't like was the funny stuff.
-- Jim Shore
(1) No conclusions or generalizations regarding any possible
overall admiration on my part of your cojones may be drawn
based on the above observation linked to this footnote.
Hi everyone, Last night I posted about the community and testers and I wanted to get everyone's thoughts, especially with regard to people who are involved in...
The subject of your post is sort of a question I've been asking (myself) for some time, but with a different meaning. I'm developing an open source project,...
I would expect the testers to be interested in the functional domain - whatever your project does - and not interested just because they are testers. So, you...
Thanks, now it seems quite logical to me. My post was emotional rather than rational, just as I said, couldn't resist.. ... - whatever your project does - and...
... Testers mostly have their own communities of practice. For example - Software Quality Engineering (www.sqe.com), Stickyminds.com, Software Test and...
PS - In my last post, I used the phrase "real software testers." I did not mean this as any kind of slight or insult. I am totally excited about devs that use...
... Matt... These are two points I set out to explicitly address in the materials Industrial Logic uses to teach TDD. We call XP's unit tests "microtests", at...
... How are they different???? A Unit Tests tests a *single* unit ... anything that tests 2 or more units is an integration test. What is a micro test?...
See - now I'm confused - that is just the definition of a good unit test ... define a unit test which is not therefore a microtest, but which is not also an...
Casey, ... As far as terminology goes, I think "unit test" vs "integration test" vs "acceptance test" works fairly well. "Microtest" just sounds weird to me. ...
... Matt... I work with a lot of different groups of people who have never heard of TDD in my normal year-round day job. Many of them believe they know what a...
Mike, ... wrote: <snip/> ... Makes sense. I think the problem space you face as a consultant (?) is entirely different than what I face as a developer. I...
The same test can have different uses in the project. The term to use to describe a test depends on context: which use of the test is being referred to. Some...
... Well, you've kinda answered your own question by making the good/bad unit test distinction. Some of the attributes I listed would distinguish Test X from...
Greetings Hill, That's a kickass list. My curiosity makes me wonder: Out of the below list, what varies from the original definition? What *is* the original...
... Oh, no, Mike, I have no problem with Unit Tests as described in Kent Beck's original paper, or, for that matter, in his first book or XP:Installed....
... Matt, don't go nuts. The purpose of making that distinction is not to split terminology hairs. The purpose is to segregate such tests from the faster...
Hello, Mike. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 11:35:14 AM, you ... I very much agree that this is the real benefit, and I admire your cojones(1) in coming...
Ron... For me, making the transition from microtesting-as-quality to microtesting-as-productivity resolved at one stroke a wide variety of nagging doubts I had...
... Yes, I can see that. I think you have expressed what I've felt right along -- regarding TDD. Down boy. ... Yes, very powerful. And it pushes back against...
Snowclone in the making? The trap is to put too much weight on the term. "Micro test" is refreshing because it's just another word; it doesn't try to say...
True. Names are slippery. Years ago I went to a meeting that was attended by a number of testing gurus: James Bach, Brett Prettichord, Cen Kaner, Brian...
Like you Michael, I will use whatever terms a client uses, whilst trying to nudge them in the right direction ... I recently posted on this with regard to...
... I can see the point with using word 'microtests' when presenting TDD to a group of developers not used to TDD. That is since "microtest" is an unknown word...
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