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Hello Jim, thanks for writing. On Friday, September 29, 2006, at ... Are you saying that every good idea ultimately takes hold? Is it not possible, for...
Ron Jeffries
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19450
Hello Ilja, thank you for the thoughts quoted here. On Saturday, ... Yes, certainly DAOs //in their place// seem like perfectly good objects. And yet I see...
Ron Jeffries
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19451
... Ah yes. Reminds me of Borland DataExpress for Java. I think it's downright evil. Two years ago, we took over maintenance of a relatively simple data entry...
Ilja Preuss
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... they are ... know ... talk to ... but ... easily have ... can ... thought ... Well said. I agree with you exactly. But while the presence of DAOs may not...
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19453
... Ah, this is interesting. So MS is shipping some kind of standard DAOs with .NET or something? Puzzled, Ilja...
Ilja Preuss
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19454
... Good question - and I don't have an answer. One client (the one you and I visited across the pond, Ron) had all their business logic in stored procedures....
Bob Koss
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19455
Well dammit Bob, I need answers! :-> For now, my response is to do TDD with OOP whenever and whereever I can, constantly learning and improving myself. While...
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19456
... DAOs ... Yes, very much like Ron described, its a native part of the .NET framework, and Visual Studio provides lots of tools around those class that makes...
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19457
Can you expand on this? I'm not sure what you meant here....
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 1, 2006
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19458
Because MS needs to sell software, and all those features that you describe make a _very_ nice demo. Given the limitation of the normal demo (30 minutes tops),...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 1, 2006
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... describe ... visual ... I can agree with this assessment. I used to be a Microsoft evangelist, where my primary deliverable was these sorts of demos. In...
Kenneth LeFebvre
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Security and performance in SP are two distinct things. The performance issue just because you are using SP is _long_ gone. The security aspect means that you...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 1, 2006
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19461
... As far as I can tell, you can't map the following domain model using Hibernate: class Habitat { long habitatNumber; List<SubHabitat> subHabitats; } class...
Ilja Preuss
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19462
... In my opinion, a small price to pay. I can put up with ID fields in my domain model in exchange for the other things Hibernate does for me. -- J. B. (Joe)...
J. B. Rainsberger
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Oct 1, 2006
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... In SQL Server, you can give an account rights to execute specific stored procedures and, at the same time, deny the same account direct access to the...
Jop Pascual
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Oct 1, 2006
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19464
... I'm curious as to whether you consider what I do close to the ideal you have in mind. In the web MVC world, the C advertises its dependency on Repository ...
J. B. Rainsberger
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19465
That is exactly what I meant. Denying access rights to the table and giving them to the SP still means that either all users run as the same DB user (bye...
Ayende Rahien
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19466
Hello J., thank you for your email. On Sunday, October 1, 2006, at ... It's hard to say, Joe. Your description sounds good, and I would suppose that you do...
Ron Jeffries
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19467
... It's not just the id fields - I could live with that. It's that I have to change the *structure* of my model to make it work - I have to change which...
Ilja Preuss
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No, not every good idea takes hold. It is all relative of course. If someone comes along with a new and better graphics library for the Apple IIE, well, I...
Jim Bennett
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... You'd win. -- J. B. (Joe) Rainsberger :: http://www.jbrains.ca Your guide to software craftsmanship JUnit Recipes: Practical Methods for Programmer Testing...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... I read your message about having to have back-references to owning objects. I haven't done Hibernate recently enough to know that you absolutely must have...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... I read your message about having to have back-references to owning objects. I haven't done Hibernate recently enough to know that you absolutely must have...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... I'm not *totally* sure, but that's what our hibernate expert told me, and I didn't find another way although I tried really hard. <sigh> But thanks for...
Ilja Preuss
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Oct 1, 2006
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19473
Not really, I think that this is possible if you are willing to allow a null column (to Habitat) in the SubHabitat (and null column to SubHabitat in the ...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 1, 2006
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19474
One of our tests blokes here made the following assertion... "The Automated Tests never find any bugs, the only bugs we are finding are through manual...
John Carter
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... Sorry, I forgot to mention that the db design is already fixed in this project (yeah, I know, I'm working on it), and SubHabitat has a composite key,...
Ilja Preuss
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Oct 1, 2006
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People find bugs. Automated tests REVEAL them. ... -- C. Keith Ray <http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/index.html> ...
Keith Ray
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Oct 1, 2006
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Hi John, Insufficient info. :-) The automated tests could be very bad. They may be testing nothing at all and leaving lots of problems for the manual tests to...
Charlie Poole
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Oct 1, 2006
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... I suppose I've been doing it long enough now that I don't see the problem any more. The pattern for tests with mocks is slightly different: Setup, Expect,...
Steve Freeman
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