The Case of the Missing Fingerprint <http://www.stickyminds.com/BetterSoftware/magazine.asp?fn=cifea> February 2007- Better Software Magazine Feature Article ...
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David Goldsmith
noaadgoldsmith
Feb 1, 2007 4:40 pm
Pre-script: I hope, Carl (and the rest of the list), that you don't mind that I replied to the list instead of just you - I want to maximize my chances of...
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Avi Naparstek
avinap77
Feb 1, 2007 4:49 pm
Page 61 and counting... I'm now deep inside the MVP stuff, and my highlights are: 1. Too intimate tests for MVP 2. Alternatives to testing a msgBox 3....
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bradyklly
Feb 1, 2007 5:20 pm
I'm just starting my first TDD project and would like some input on my strategy for building up tests. I have a method that accepts some data, packages it, and...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Feb 1, 2007 5:47 pm
... A really easy checklist: - do you only make 1~10 edits between test runs? - how often could you make 1 (one) edit? - are your test cases short and easy to...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 1, 2007 8:14 pm
... When I read tests as documentation, I generally skim just the names of the tests on the first pass... so for me, it generally helps to have the longer...
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Carl Manaster
cmanaster
Feb 1, 2007 8:30 pm
Hi, David, ... No problem; I just didn't think that what I had to say had much relevance to the larger group, but your problem certainly does. It looks...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 1, 2007 8:33 pm
David, It sounds very frustrating and I feel for you brother! Without more information, it's hard to answer without resorting to platitudes. So, let me throw a...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 1, 2007 8:43 pm
... This is a very interesting challenge to my world view, so I'd like to investigate it further if you don't mind. The values that are acceptable to the...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 1, 2007 8:51 pm
In general, I agree with Avi, that it is very helpful to a declarative GUI to have specific types rather than int or string. Having specialized controls for...
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David Goldsmith
noaadgoldsmith
Feb 1, 2007 9:09 pm
More information: the first failure was that it wasn't getting the boundary layer correct qualitatively - that might be akin to it says "rain tomorrow" and...
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Alan Baljeu
alanbaljeu
Feb 1, 2007 9:19 pm
... I suppose, but am not sure, tha a good solution to the Telephone issue and the value-limit issue is to do MVP controls. class LimitedField : TextBox { ...
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Alan Baljeu
alanbaljeu
Feb 1, 2007 9:31 pm
... I get this situation often, and I blame it on missing tests. My approach to solving it is to trace down where the code does not behave as expected, and...
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Ilja Preuss
ipreussde
Feb 1, 2007 10:28 pm
... You also need to use "UGENT" as the subject line. Additionally spell "will anyone please" as "can u pleaz". Cheers, Ilja...
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Avi Naparstek
avinap77
Feb 1, 2007 11:32 pm
Hi Kelly. ... I think when we talk about validation we might be referring to several different things. I just looked up Validation in Wikipedia (ha ha.. the...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 2, 2007 12:51 am
I second what Alan said... It seems that what is failing is failing at an integration level... the trick to tracking it down would seem to be to take the...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 2, 2007 12:57 am
... While that would likely get you laughed off of most of the news groups, you would probably get a pretty good response to such a question on RentACoder......
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 2, 2007 12:59 am
... Yes, I would think something like that would work pretty well, assuming that it was compatible with the rest of your architecture. One of the things I've...
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David Goldsmith
noaadgoldsmith
Feb 2, 2007 1:16 am
If it gets to it (right now I'm going back and adding tests to make sure that everything that should be a float is in fact a float) I like this "bifurcation"...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 2, 2007 1:26 am
... Hi Avi. ... It's clearly a complex subject, and yes there are multiple levels of validation and cross-talk amongst fields too. ... At least The Oracle......
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 2, 2007 1:29 am
Divide and conquer... it's a pretty old idea... I'd wish I thought of it, except that would mean that I would have had to live thousands of years ago, and they...
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David Goldsmith
noaadgoldsmith
Feb 2, 2007 2:47 am
... I will, but I don't imagine it will be well-received. DG...
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unmesh_joshi
Feb 2, 2007 4:18 am
... I agree completely. When you have to add details to the model, its almost like writing actual code. Also I am not sure how much it is possible to follow...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 2, 2007 8:50 am
Brad, I feel it *is* the wrong way. Start with the simplest business logic test you can imagine. Then let that drive you into details such as logging and ...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Feb 2, 2007 8:59 am
... Me too. I also find it helps with diagnosing test failures. When I break a test and my test runner says something like "hitsInGrid00AreTheUnitInteger...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 2, 2007 9:04 am
There has been some development of executable models. Of course, you have to become very detailed in your model and some of it is code. But still, your model...
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Joakim Ohlrogge
j0hlrogge
Feb 2, 2007 9:42 am
That sounds very cool. So far those kind of tools I have seen have ben more cool than /helpful/. Maybe I'm just old fashioned in my thinking but to me getting...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 2, 2007 10:32 am
Joakim, try "uml executable model" as a Google search string. There's a lot of stuff out there. I haven't followed it for several years though. When I was...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 2, 2007 11:15 am
Hello, Kelly. On Thursday, February 1, 2007, at 3:14:00 PM, you ... No doubt. What we are seeing in this application is what really happens. It's going very...
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Avi Naparstek
avinap77
Feb 2, 2007 11:23 am
... I think I later made my point about why you would NOT necessarily need the same validation for both GUI and XML, but I'll restate it just to be sure: ...
