csUnit V1.5.1 is available immediately from the csUnit web site. Go to http://www.csunit.org and then to the download area. csUnit is a C# based...
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Bishop, Murray
murray_bishop
Nov 14, 2002 9:03 pm
... Thanks Michael. ... After I wrote yesterday, I went and joined refactoring, and downloaded your draft from there. Where I found what you've put above and...
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darach_ennis
Nov 14, 2002 11:50 pm
Hullo Kent, guys. I intend to. My coalface just got crazier. An MSc I submitted about 9 months ago finally came through the other end of the 'back hole' that...
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Keith Nicholas
keithcompac
Nov 15, 2002 12:44 am
KN> You mention testing on system boundaries.....Real time control systems KN> tend to need a simulation software to effectively test, which can be KN>...
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Pierre Boudreau
pier1972
Nov 17, 2002 4:27 pm
I need some guidance on what to do with some tests that are failing, but the functionality that is being tested is not necessary for now. I am writing some...
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Chet Hendrickson
suechet
Nov 17, 2002 4:49 pm
Hello Pierre, Do these failing tests operate against application code that is there only to support this now undesired functionality? If so, both the...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 17, 2002 4:50 pm
... I would most likely comment them out. I don't like to look at a failing test run to decide whether the tests that fail are the ones that are supposed to...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Nov 17, 2002 5:07 pm
If I think I'm going to want the tests in the future, I may preserve them to remind me of the problem. With junit, I just rename the test from testXyz to...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 17, 2002 6:46 pm
... On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 12:11:02 PM, Dave Astels wrote, ... These are both good views, and I could be (as I said) wrong. If the tests were dead...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Nov 17, 2002 7:53 pm
Ron, ... On piece of code under active development, I often comment something out and then delete it a week or so later if it hasn't been revived or modified...
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Pierre Boudreau
pier1972
Nov 17, 2002 7:58 pm
Ron Jeffries wrote: <replies from Chet and Dave snipped out> ... My first intuition was to leave the failing tests as a reminder that there is still work to be...
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Manuel Amago
mamagouk
Nov 17, 2002 8:01 pm
As Charlie says, taking a two step approach to the problem you can have the best of both worlds: a) Start by commenting out/renaming (as per George's post) the...
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Marco Dorantes Martinez
marcodorantes
Nov 17, 2002 10:23 pm
also keep in mind that deleting some unused code or unit tests which are required later, makes you re-write or "re-think"; your detailed design (source code),...
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Yuhong Liu
serphakay
Nov 17, 2002 10:26 pm
Hello, everyone, Who could give me some suggestions about how to implement test driven development in Personal Software Process (PSP) environment? Thanks a...
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Michael Feathers
mfeathers256
Nov 17, 2002 11:43 pm
RJ> However, people often ask, regarding XP, whether and how we document RJ> ideas or the reasons why things happen. The code is required to RJ> communicate...
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Charles Medcoff
cmedcoff
Nov 18, 2002 12:58 am
... "edged out"? Was there some sort of contest?...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 18, 2002 1:03 am
... What do you see as the obstacles? What is holding you back from just doing it? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Bang, bang, Jeffries' silver hammer came...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 18, 2002 1:08 am
... Of course. You don't think we write these things to get the information out, or to make money, do you? It's all about selling more than the other guy at...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Nov 18, 2002 2:26 am
... Yeah, that's really painful and slow. I hate that red bar. ... Given your analysis of the situation, I think you did the right thing. On a slightly...
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Ross Shaw
rshaw1961
Nov 18, 2002 11:04 am
With the xUnit frameworks that I have used (RubyUnit, jUnit) tests have one of the following states at completion.
1. Red bar or E when test is unsuccessful...
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Benjamin Schroeder
benschroeder2
Nov 18, 2002 1:44 pm
... I will occasionally write a test that is only testing that something doesn't throw an exception, or one that only expects an exception, and those might not...
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Kari Hoijarvi
hoijarvi
Nov 18, 2002 2:47 pm
I have used many PSP practices test first. My main recommendation is, that log unit test writing as coding time, not as testing time. The whole XP loop:...
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Yuhong Liu
serphakay
Nov 18, 2002 5:41 pm
Hello, everyone, Maybe the question I put forward previously was a little bit ambiguous. Now I describe it in more detail as the following. The personal...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 18, 2002 6:26 pm
... I don't know PSP details well enough to address the above. Perhaps a bit more detail in your questions would help? ... In Test Driven Development, we write...
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Kent Beck
kentlbeck
Nov 18, 2002 6:40 pm
... My practice is to begin with a list of tests (described as Test List in the TDD book) that I "know" I will have to satisfy. I'm afraid I don't have much...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 18, 2002 6:58 pm
... How closely do you find that you follow the test list, in order and in overall content? I'm sure that I have a sense of where I'm going, but my preference...
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Kent Beck
kentlbeck
Nov 18, 2002 7:05 pm
... Order--not at all. Content--I always find new test cases, and some of the tests I thought I would have to write are obviously satisfied by previous code. A...
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Kari Hoijarvi
hoijarvi
Nov 18, 2002 8:20 pm
... From: Kent Beck [mailto:kentbeck@...] ... When it comes to unit test vs. code writing, this indeed is my opinion too. I put it all together. But when...
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Kari Hoijarvi
hoijarvi
Nov 18, 2002 8:20 pm
... From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@...] ... When compile times were measured in hours, clean compile indeed saved time. Anyway, my most persistent...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 18, 2002 8:31 pm
... Please give an example of some code where you make this error. I'm wondering how we can help you avoid it ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Discontinue...
