Hi, This is something which I have covered in some blog posts recently ( http://blog.benhall.me.uk). When developing, I generally would write tests for the...
Slava, In your specific case, I'm pretty much with Gary and Carl. You aren't interested in how it works - just what the result is. But, while I'm not an...
... All of this is potentially true, which is why I don't do it. I don't just write unit tests, I write component tests, integration tests, acceptance tests,...
Please forgive me Wayne. Note to all: Wayne Fay is *not* a spammer. I misattributed the following: ... It looks like james.fredrick87 and tester.guay post the...
I really enjoyed this, and thought others might as well... http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=348373 The only downside was the wind sounds... -Kelly...
Hello, Kelly. On Thursday, November 1, 2007, at 4:22:17 PM, you ... He does run on ... though not as much as I do ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com If...
... that ... Mocks and Red-green-refactor are complementary in my experience. Can you elaborate a bit here? And: Slava, you're trying to test this: ...
... I believe I was reaching for A->B'. (-; One mock concept is writing A with B' before B exists. That's not Agile (self-similarity, communication, features...
Maybe it's just arguing semantics, but my TDD tests are guided by my view of the existing code. That makes it white box testing to me (at least after the...
Oh, I misunderstood; I thought you were just looking for a way to get the job done. I mostly do state based testing and don't use mocks much. When I do want...
Neil, actually, I thought your suggestion was bang on, and self-shunt is an elegant solution to the problem posed. (Not as described "ugly"). That there isn't...
I do A->B' to keep in stride with top down. The difference is that I throw out or change B' if I get it wrong. By saying you need A->B before A->B' is that you...
Hi all, I've created a new group: http://groups.google.com/group/altnet. The alt.netconference had a huge following as exemplified in the recent discussions on...
I don't remember that conference. What's the purpose of ALT.NET? What is the meaning of the word ALT? My first instinct is to assume alternative, as in Mono,...
There was a conference that was held in Texas. It was the next big thing around MS agile community after DevTeach in Montreal - which had a very strong agile...
i am new im TDD i see that in TDD when i inforced myself to remove dupliction then this habit lead me to drive and usefully grow design can i feel "remove...
Hi Adam, As I've posted elsewhere, the Alt.Net thing (movement? group?) seems much more .Net than Alt to me. It's great that some folks in the ms community are...
I'm going to see what flavor of discussion we get if the altnetconf yahoo participants end up there too.. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
Ali, I don't know of any test you could write that would drive the removal of duplication. That's just something you do during the "refactor" stage after the...
... Actually, Martin Fowler has been posting some things about it: http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/fowler-alt.net The conference was not very large, although...
Hi All, I've been writing a series on my blog detailing my efforts TDDing a WinForm app for a family member. I just posted the latest in the series: ...
Hi All, I'm getting a number of notes from folks who want to point out to me that nunit.org does not have info and downloads about the latest version of NUnit....
Hi Sean, ... implementation ... inspection. But ... behavior. ... test ... I must disagree! ...you seem not to quite get what mock objects really are. ...
Hi Phlip, ... "Mock Roles, Not Objects" ;-) see: http://www.mockobjects.com/files/mockrolesnotobjects.pdf ... Two objects implementing the same interface may...
Hi, I'm trying to test if i can insert a line in the database for an specific table. To avoid falling while writing a line in this table i have to feel two...
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