Hi Deb, I'm not sure if this helps, but I know from a reliable source (a developer at Adobe in Ottawa!) that the FlexBuilder 3 Eclipse plugin has much improved...
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bill4414301
Feb 27, 2008 12:21 pm
Hi John, Thanks for the reply and you're right - I should be showing the failing test. I guess that's part of my delimma, I have some tests written to test...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 27, 2008 2:41 pm
Bill, I'm probably way off base because I haven't worked with WPF, but anyway that hasn't stopped me before ;-) I would expect to see a test doing this: ...
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bill4414301
Feb 27, 2008 2:48 pm
John, That makes perfect sense except for when I add the FindResource to the source code to make the test pass - it will always fail because FindResource...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 27, 2008 3:05 pm
Ah, ok that's clearer. Again, I don't know if it's feasible to test with the framework - someone who knows WPF can answer that. If we are pessimistic, then you...
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Justin Bozonier
justinbozonier
Feb 27, 2008 4:40 pm
... Hi Bill, I just made a cursory sweep through the other discussion and I didn't see anything about a different approach so I thought I would mention it. One...
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michaelgburton
Feb 27, 2008 5:42 pm
... As a general rule, throwing an exception in a constructor is a hard row to hoe. Is there any way to decompose your object a little and do the...
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Gojko Adzic
gojko_lastname
Feb 27, 2008 9:38 pm
If you are in London and want to learn how to use FitNesse or discuss best practices, come down to Skills Matter on March 27th for an intensive two hour...
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Ben Hall
ben2004uk
Feb 27, 2008 9:56 pm
Shame its at night :( If it was during the day would have definitely attended.... ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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bill4414301
Feb 27, 2008 10:56 pm
Hi Justin, Thanks for the thoughts. Yes, I agree and am familiar with DI as well. The interesting thing here was that this FindResource is getting called in...
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bill4414301
Feb 27, 2008 11:02 pm
Hi Michael, Hey - thanks for the tips especially on the constructor wrt exceptions. I don't think that I knew that. So, my solution of creating a StyleFactory...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 28, 2008 7:31 am
Bill, I'm not sure that "this TDD stuff gets easier". It's a skill that you can practice, and you get better at it. What does get much easier is the management...
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Pat Maddox
burritoooboy
Feb 28, 2008 8:19 am
A friend on another list asked "are bad tests better than no tests?" Here's my theory. Ranked, in ascending order of desirability: No tests Green suite, poor...
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Dale Emery
dalehemery
Feb 28, 2008 9:33 am
Hi Pat, Willfully choosing not to write tests means you are stupid. Willfully choosing not to write tests means you have some concern that competes with...
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Carfield Yim
c8133594
Feb 28, 2008 10:41 am
On concern is if not whole group support TDD, having bad test at first will give them bad impression about TDD, and make it hard to promote to them. However,...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 28, 2008 1:36 pm
Pat, It depends a bit on what "bad tests" means. I'm guessing it means not good coverage and slow to execute. Surely this is better than no tests. You can work...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 28, 2008 5:53 pm
Be patient with yourself. While TDD is wonderful, it doesn't come in the whole overnight. Like any good thing, it is learned line by line, precept by precept....
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Feb 28, 2008 11:36 pm
Hi, Dale! ... From: "Dale Emery" <dale@...> To: <testdrivendevelopment@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [TDD] Is...
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Dale Emery
dalehemery
Feb 29, 2008 12:22 am
Hi Gary, ... Whoops! Those are Pat's words. I was trying to quote them in order to offer an alternative. For some reason it didn't get formatted as a ...
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James Carr
cloud_strife...
Feb 29, 2008 12:34 am
Hi Pat, I'm actually on a team who maintains a code base with a ton of legacy tests (code was written TDD... just kind of poorly) and it's a mixed bag. At...
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Patrick Mee
paddymee
Feb 29, 2008 8:50 am
What is wrong with manual? If that is all you have, just do it. I worry that now that developers have heard what refactoring is and read the books, they won't...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 29, 2008 5:19 pm
... I agree, bad tests are better than no tests. At least you have something to refactor from. ... It might also mean that you're working for managers who have...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 29, 2008 7:20 pm
Hello, Kelly. On Friday, February 29, 2008, at 12:18:58 PM, you ... Would that count as "willful"? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com He who will not apply new...
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Brad Stiles
bradley.stiles@...
Feb 29, 2008 7:28 pm
... Is it only me, or does the phrase "drunk the koolaid" have a fairly serious negative connotation?...
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Feb 29, 2008 9:19 pm
... Not so much where I come from. It just means you've "bought in" in a fairly serious level. If it means something more where you're from, then I apologize....
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Feb 29, 2008 9:46 pm
... Kelly, I would guess that you're young enough not to remember the news reports of the Jim Jones mass murder/suicide. -- ... * George Dinwiddie *...
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Brad Stiles
bradley.stiles@...
Feb 29, 2008 10:37 pm
... Exactically. Hardly something with which I would expect most would want to be associated, even in a casual manner....
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Kelly Anderson
kellycoinguy
Mar 1, 2008 12:17 am
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:46 PM, George Dinwiddie ... You would guess wrong. I'm very familiar with it. However, the way I'm using it is common, at least in...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Mar 1, 2008 12:23 am
Dale, Yes, Sir! Sorry to have misread your misquote! Pat, please hold the ladder for Dale. 8^) GB. ... From: "Dale Emery" <dale@...> To:...
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Brad Stiles
bradley.stiles@...
Mar 1, 2008 1:16 am
... Well, it doesn't "offend", per se. It just doesn't conjure a positive image in my mind. Brad...
