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3070 Steve Freeman
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Feb 1, 2003
6:04 pm
... I've done it in bash (Unix shell). The trick is to break your code up into small specialised scripts and then paramterise the command names, That way you...
3071 Dave Astels <dave@...>
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Feb 2, 2003
4:42 pm
... I don't think it's preorderable yet. ... Well, check out the reviewer comments at http://www.saorsa.com/page.php?page=pgtdd Ron's foreword ends with: "This...
3072 J. B. Rainsberger
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Feb 2, 2003
6:58 pm
Everyone: I have noticed something about TDD with frameworks that I wanted to share and ask for some opinions. Start with the proposition "the fewer mocks, the...
3073 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 2, 2003
11:13 pm
... I'm not understanding what you're getting at, J.B. Let me ask some questions: What do you mean by "TDD with frameworks"? Are you talking about using ...
3074 Andrew McDonagh
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Feb 3, 2003
8:58 am
Taking a different approach, test your current code on a different windows platform. We have just been experiencing some strange behaviour on Windows XP, even ...
3075 David Rovazzini <rova...
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Feb 3, 2003
3:59 pm
I just wanted to say thanks to the folks who have responded to the polls. If you haven't responded yet please do. I'm using the results for a school research...
3076 Logan, Patrick D
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Feb 3, 2003
7:49 pm
... See what John Hughes is doing with QuickCheck. It's not 1:1 what you might expect, but from my limited experience with FP it seems to fit into that ...
3077 J. B. Rainsberger
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Feb 3, 2003
9:21 pm
So said Ron Jeffries on 2003-02-02 -------------------- ... share ... <snip /> ... To clarify: I mean test-driving classes that hook in to a framework. The...
3078 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 4, 2003
1:59 am
... Well, sort of. But now I interpret your question as being "If the framework you are programming to runs on lots of message objects, do you find that you...
3079 Mike Clark
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Feb 4, 2003
2:01 am
... Nice explanation. I'm interested to get Ron's take on this, as well, and don't mean to jump in here. For what it's worth, I always lean toward option #2....
3080 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 4, 2003
2:12 am
... I would, as well. I think a high number of mocks is a testing smell. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict...
3081 Michael Feathers
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Feb 4, 2003
1:23 pm
... RJ> I would, as well. I think a high number of mocks is a testing smell. I'm kind of reappreciating the mock right now. I've recently worked with teams...
3082 Nicholas Robinson <ni...
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Feb 4, 2003
1:53 pm
... <mfeathers@o...> wrote: <<cut>> ... I ... Michael, I am interested in this point you mention. I have been developing a Visual Studio add-in, trying to use...
3083 Brian Christopher Rob...
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Feb 4, 2003
1:56 pm
... Dave, how is your book going to differ from Beck's?...
3084 Jonathan Rasmusson <r...
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Feb 4, 2003
5:56 pm
... I have seen this happen on my projects also. Currently I only goto a mock if I am about to do something that cumulatively may take a long time (i.e....
3085 J. B. Rainsberger
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Feb 4, 2003
5:57 pm
So said Ron Jeffries on 2003-02-03 -------------------- ... you ... still ... calling ... framework ... that ... something. ... for the ... Hm. Let me try...
3086 J. B. Rainsberger
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Feb 4, 2003
6:00 pm
So said Mike Clark on 2003-02-03 -------------------- ... object ... a ... you ... So in light of that, and with a better (I hope) expression of the ...
3087 Jon Strayer <jon@...>
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Feb 4, 2003
6:16 pm
I'm trying to write some JDBC code test first. My problem has to do with testing parent/child relationships. I've been able to test that I can read and write...
3088 Mike Clark
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Feb 4, 2003
9:30 pm
... What's anti-OO about it? To my mind, OO is about dependency management. If by only sending an object what it needs (and no more) that object in turn is...
3089 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 4, 2003
10:40 pm
... Ah. OK. I, too, would favor things that reduce the number of mocks. I like to run mock-free. I'm not sure I'd worry about the messages on the grounds that...
3090 Michael Feathers
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Feb 5, 2003
4:03 am
Hello Nicholas, Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 8:53:57 AM, you wrote: NRnycu> --- In testdrivendevelopment@yahoogroups.com, Michael Feathers NRnycu>...
3091 C. Keith Ray
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Feb 5, 2003
5:06 am
on 2003.02.04 9:57 AM, J. B. Rainsberger at jbr@... wrote: [...] ... [...] Depends on what you mean by message objects... if you could move...
3092 Nicholas Robinson
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Feb 5, 2003
8:17 am
... <<CUT>> <<...>> ... Hi Mike, I do still have a call to buildconfig, only it is with something that exists within the Build Config package (its actually...
3093 Dave Astels <dave@...>
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Feb 5, 2003
2:02 pm
... More applied, practical, pragmatic. Reading "TDD: By Example" is a good (but not required) prerequisite to reading mine. Afterall, it's called "TDD: A...
3094 Caroline Foster
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Feb 5, 2003
7:17 pm
I have just been presented with an application with 3 subsystems plus some procedures in the database. All of the application functionality is accessed via...
3095 Griffin Caprio
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Feb 5, 2003
7:42 pm
... Mock Objects are much more than just stubs. They allow you to set expectations, run your code, then self-verify themselves. I have used Mock Objects to ...
3096 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 5, 2003
9:36 pm
... Is there someone there who understands the program? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Sigs are like I Ching or Tarot. They don't mean anything, but...
3097 Caroline Foster
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Feb 5, 2003
9:59 pm
Good question. I'm still new, but I'm working hard to get to know people - oddly it helps that I'm a smoker, never under-estimate informal communication! The...
3098 Frank Maurer
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Feb 5, 2003
10:19 pm
We apologize if you receive this call for papers multiple times Frank Maurer (on behalf of the XP AU 2003 program committee) ...
3099 Mike Clark
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Feb 6, 2003
4:02 pm
... I would go about that piece-meal, refactoring only when I have to touch the servlet for another reason. And I'd want to understand what the servlet does...
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