Jon, I've recently been trying out the BDD-style add-on called StoryQ. My approach was like this: write the "story" (it's encoded as given-when-then with some...
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Gishu Pillai
gishu_pillai
Feb 1, 2011 12:52 pm
Sorry about the delay.. day job :) Tried the Flash cards kata with Lisp and C# - now I have even more questions about the transformations idea. ...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 1, 2011 2:34 pm
Gishu, Very nice. I too had a hard time getting going - it's such a simple problem, and yet... I think we shouldn't be too strict on the actual order, and yes,...
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Josue Barbosa dos San...
josuebsantos
Feb 1, 2011 2:36 pm
... +1. In other others ATDD+TDD -- Abraços, Josué http://twitter.com/josuesantos On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Donaldson, John (GEO) < ... [Non-text...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 1, 2011 2:52 pm
I had a try using StoryQ (http://storyq.codeplex.com/) with Flash Cards. StoryQ is a simple BDD framework. There are a couple of examples as I started below. ...
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Adam Miller
millerar1980
Feb 1, 2011 3:45 pm
After a posting this, reading more of the posts in the "Rethinking when to write unit tests vs acceptance tests" topic and doing some more thinking I think...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 1, 2011 4:03 pm
Adam, For the story where you say: "... the wording of the Given and Then clauses feels kind of "silly" for a BDD test": The heart of the test is: ...
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Erlis Vidal
erlis.vidal@...
Feb 1, 2011 4:11 pm
Hi Adam, What is happening to you is common initially, when we start trying BDD there is a blur line between acceptance and unit tests. I even tried once to ...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 1, 2011 4:25 pm
Erlis, Thanks - a good explanation for me of the use of scenario. I'm definitely at the "shu" stage in BDD... John D. ... From:...
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Erlis Vidal
erlis.vidal@...
Feb 1, 2011 4:31 pm
Hi John, I've been using it for a while and I really like it. Something that I'm doing to improve my tests, and probably could help yours also is to use a ...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 1, 2011 5:03 pm
Erlis, ha! You beat me to it. Yes, it helps. I was thinking of breaking out the scenarios as you show. Possibly something like: In order to exercise a flash...
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Adam Miller
millerar1980
Feb 1, 2011 5:06 pm
Erlis, Thank you for your post. I think my problem was the same that you mentioned, trying to replace all tests with BDD tests. I think I jumped on this...
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Erlis Vidal
erlis.vidal@...
Feb 1, 2011 5:24 pm
Hi Adam, I'm more than glad to help you. I would like to suggest you a couple of books that could help you more and the RSpec book ...
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Josue Barbosa dos San...
josuebsantos
Feb 1, 2011 5:36 pm
Is there is a StoryQ for Java? :) On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Donaldson, John (GEO) < ... -- Abraços, Josué http://twitter.com/josuesantos [Non-text...
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Erlis Vidal
erlis.vidal@...
Feb 1, 2011 5:42 pm
No that I know, The project is relative young, not a lot of people know about it, (at least not like SpecFlow) I don't think porting it to java would be...
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Behrang Saeedzadeh
behrangsa
Feb 2, 2011 4:08 am
The article is here: http://toranbillups.com/blog/archive/2011/01/31/Test-Driven-Development-Is-Hard The questionable part is here: "When I first started unit...
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Gishu Pillai
gishu_pillai
Feb 2, 2011 4:49 am
Depends on the context actually, if state-based testing is possible with real collaborators (possible => meets all the criteria for a good unit test), I prefer...
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Behrang Saeedzadeh
behrangsa
Feb 2, 2011 5:02 am
... collaborators. What's your definition of unit-test in an OO language then?...
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Gishu Pillai
gishu_pillai
Feb 2, 2011 5:46 am
Good question :) A unit test tests one behavior that is expected from an object. It is also automated, self-checking, consistent/repeatable, independent,...
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Michael Hill
uly562000
Feb 2, 2011 9:06 am
I got an answer to that one, too: http://anarchycreek.com/2009/05/20/theyre-called-microtests/ I find that sidestepping the boring "my unit test != your unit...
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Behrang Saeedzadeh
behrangsa
Feb 2, 2011 11:38 am
Okay, does anybody know what's the oldest definition of unit test, 1- In computer science/software engineering literature, and 2- In object oriented...
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Freedom Developer
freedomdevel...
Feb 2, 2011 11:55 am
That was a very clear example. Thanks for sharing. Tom...
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Donaldson, John (GEO)
geo_johnfr
Feb 2, 2011 1:00 pm
I don't know what the oldest usage is, but *I* first encountered it in the "Test Infected" article by Beck and Gamma. Here's one copy:...
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Richard Howells
loopylozzysdad
Feb 2, 2011 1:28 pm
I too, do not know the oldest usage. However I think you may find *unit* to be a slippery term and therefore unit test to be a poorly defined term. When I...
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John Roth
jhrothjr
Feb 2, 2011 2:59 pm
IIRC, when I first heard the term, it was applied to the smallest unit they could think of at the time: the separately compiled module. And I seem to remember...
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Keith Ray
attkeithray
Feb 2, 2011 5:57 pm
What has worked for you, or didn't work? C. Keith Ray Amplify Your Agility Coaching | Training | Assessment | eLearning http://industriallogic.com...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Feb 2, 2011 9:00 pm
Hi John, That's how I first encountered it as well. I moved into programming in the early 70s and the term seemed to be well established at the time. Charlie ...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Feb 2, 2011 9:34 pm
IIRC, the term predates the computer and is borrowed from Electrical Engineering. I have not yet found a citation to confirm that. I studied EE in the 90s, but...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Feb 2, 2011 9:43 pm
P.S. This is an aside, but one thing that has always fascinated me is how often and how quickly our terminology gets borked. It seems to happen more in...
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abrar
ibrararshad
Feb 2, 2011 10:49 pm
Hello, I have a few queries about the use of test-lists in TDD. I want to know the actual procedure which is being followed for TDD in industry. I know the...
