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34735 abrar arshad
ibrararshad Offline Send Email
Aug 1, 2011
11:18 pm
Hi all I am doing my master thesis on "Requirements Traceability in TDD". I am doing a survey to gather views of test driven developers about requirements...
34736 Steven Gordon
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Aug 1, 2011
11:46 pm
Ibrar, What exactly do you mean by "requirements traceability"? Who uses "requirements traceability" and what exactly do they use it for? Can we not attain all...
34737 abrar arshad
ibrararshad Offline Send Email
Aug 2, 2011
12:06 am
Yeah, everybody here can have his/her own interpretation of requirements traceability. Actually, this survey is a start up to gather information about what...
34738 Donaldson, John (GEO)
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Aug 2, 2011
7:02 am
On my current project, they are asking for "requirements traceability". But, we don't really have a requirements spec - the customer asked us to modernize an...
34739 JeffGrigg
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Aug 2, 2011
2:47 pm
... My first thought is that the tests are the requirements. And their tracability to the code can be seen with any good code coverage tool -- or a debugger. ...
34740 John Roth
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Aug 2, 2011
5:44 pm
Since I'm retired, there wasn't any reason to actually include my opinions in your survey, but your survey didn't let me look at the entire thing without...
34741 abrar arshad
ibrararshad Offline Send Email
Aug 3, 2011
12:01 pm
Firstly I would like to thanks all of you for this interesting debate. Yeah I know requirements traceability has always been related to formal requirements...
34742 JeffGrigg
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Aug 3, 2011
12:31 pm
... I was involved in Document-Driven approaches for quite a few years before joining the XP community. "Requirements Tracability" was always a promise of the...
34743 George Dinwiddie
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Aug 3, 2011
5:18 pm
Jeff, That email deserves to be published! - George ... -- ... * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Software Development...
34744 JeffGrigg
jeffgrigg63132 Offline Send Email
Aug 3, 2011
8:50 pm
... Why thank you. To make it a little more persistent and accessible, I copied it to my blog: ...
34745 Adam Sroka
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Aug 4, 2011
7:15 pm
I think this is an interesting line of inquiry, and I will consider filling out the survey when I am back in front of my computer. However, I also think the...
34746 Matías Waterloo
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Aug 5, 2011
6:23 pm
Hi, I'm a newbie when it comes to unit testing and tdd so I decided to start a little project to give them a try. After a few test I think I'm starting to get...
34747 George Dinwiddie
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Aug 5, 2011
6:30 pm
Hi, Matias, ... I don't think I've ever started with the thought, "I want to test a factory method." Starting with a presumed design (I need a factory method)...
34748 Dale Emery
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Aug 5, 2011
6:34 pm
Hi Matias, ... First: What George said. Second: It is a kind of integration test. That makes sense, because a factory is a kind of integrator. One part of the...
34749 Matías Waterloo
matias_waterloo Offline Send Email
Aug 6, 2011
12:50 am
Thanks for the responses. Well, it's going to take me some times to get accustomed to applying tdd since my teachers and collegues prefer and apply the...
34750 Sam Serpoosh
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Aug 7, 2011
5:54 am
... I completely agree with George, when you're doing TDD you shouldn't face with a situation that you say I need this specific solution(Factory) and how ...
34751 Michal Svoboda
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Aug 7, 2011
9:43 am
... Just for the record, I don't think that such a class should be called a Factory, it's just something that transforms one set of objects into another (if I...
34752 Eb
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Aug 9, 2011
1:23 pm
** Folks - Given that this is a TDD group, I assume everyone uses TDD at the class (or unit) level but that may be an incorrect assumption. :) I was however ...
34753 Gishu Pillai
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Aug 9, 2011
2:27 pm
also known as ATDD ;) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
34754 Corey Haines
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Aug 9, 2011
2:48 pm
The BDD workflow consists of both the outer full-stack, scenario-level examples driving inner, isolated unit-level examples. There isn't really a concept of...
34755 Eb
amaeze77 Offline Send Email
Aug 9, 2011
2:52 pm
i'm not sure i understand you. it would seem to me that one could use a BDD framework that executed classes for which no unit tests existed for the ...
34756 Corey Haines
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Aug 9, 2011
3:00 pm
BDD isn't a framework or tied to a framework, it is a workflow. It actually encompasses a lot more than the coding aspect, including things like feature ...
34757 Charlie Poole
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Aug 9, 2011
3:09 pm
Hi Corey, It seems to me that Eb's confusion is quite understandable since BDD has meant (maybe still means) a number of different things to different people ...
34758 Donaldson, John (GEO)
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Aug 9, 2011
3:17 pm
Eb, I try - and especially with my current project - to write outer level "acceptance" tests in the same framework as the unit-tests. So, I have a failing...
34759 Peter Bell
freshstartsw Offline Send Email
Aug 9, 2011
3:21 pm
... And of course Dan North :) ... It's a great book and gives a really good sense of the flow, although it is Ruby specific. There are frameworks designed to...
34760 Peter Bell
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Aug 9, 2011
3:24 pm
... I still think Dan's original article on the topic is a pretty good starting point: http://dannorth.net/introducing-bdd/ I'd argue that everything in that...
34761 Eb
amaeze77 Offline Send Email
Aug 9, 2011
3:44 pm
If by workflow you mean the diagram referenced here - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/gg490346.aspx which I believe is pretty similar (if not exactly...
34762 Eb
amaeze77 Offline Send Email
Aug 9, 2011
3:45 pm
Hey John - Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for feedback on. Eb On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Donaldson, John (GEO) < ... -- blog:...
34763 Charlie Poole
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Aug 9, 2011
4:11 pm
Hi Peter, I'm familiar with Dan's article of course. What it (naturally) can't tell us is what has happened to the term BDD subsequently. The sort of history...
34764 Corey Haines
coreyhaines Offline Send Email
Aug 9, 2011
4:18 pm
Charlie, You mean like this (lots of other stuff on her blog, this was just the first thing I found)? ...
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