--- In texperanto@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote:
> And, speaking of verbs, how about making the imperative ending -aw.  The
current -u
> ending does clash somewhat with the -u ending in the personal correlatives.

Sounds good. "aw" has a rather imperative sound to it.

I'm still thinking about the previous message.
---larry

--- In texperanto@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote:
> Here's a thought.  Change the -ar ending meaning group to something else. 
Then make
the
> infinitive ending -aro, appropriate because it suggests romance infinitive
endings, and
> because an infinitive does behave a lot like a noun.

I would stick with unstressed "-ar" for the infinitive. We Western language
speakers are
taught that infinitives are verb forms and it becomes a complicated thing to
explain why
they should look like nouns.

>
> I'm still wanting input on what the -aro meaning group ending ought to be.

Still thinking....

---larry

Upon reflection, I've decided that "e" for "and" is a bad idea.  I
think I'll go back to "kay".  For "or", I can't use "aw," because
that is now the imperative ending.  I actually think that "kor" would
be the way to go here.

Other short words should not interfere with roots.  That is, I
decided that too many borrowable roots begin with "al," so I started
using "Ad" for to, towards.  Now I'm thinking that too many roots
begin with "ad" for that to be optimum.  We could go with
English "tu," or German "tsu" or even "nak"   (Me iras nak la domo)
But nak is a little uneuphonius, if that's a word.  It needs to be
able to combine with other prepositions, because T doesn't use
the 'motion towards' accusative form.  "Tsu" is also a little weird
looking, and, come to think of it, we could just go with "zu" - a
spelling borrowing rather than a sound borrowing.   Me iras zu la
domo.  Me iras zu dan la domo.  I like it.

Same goes for Eo "el", meaning out of or from.  Possibilities are
keeping el, or using ex (esh)or using eks, or Russian "iz", or
squeezing two roots together and making it "del".  I'm actually
inclined towards "del".

Have to keep in mind that I'm trying to minimize the possiblity of
misleading things like 'sukero,' not eliminate them entirely.  That,
I'm sure, would warp T way too much.

I await reactions.  It's lonely in here.

--- In texperanto@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote:
> Upon reflection, I've decided that "e" for "and" is a bad idea.  I
> think I'll go back to "kay".  For "or", I can't use "aw," because
> that is now the imperative ending.  I actually think that "kor" would
> be the way to go here.

Good and good.

>
> Other short words should not interfere with roots.  That is, I
> decided that too many borrowable roots begin with "al," so I started
> using "Ad" for to, towards.  Now I'm thinking that too many roots
> begin with "ad" for that to be optimum.

Rex, could you illustrate what kind of problem you're trying to avoid?
With "sukero" the problem is that the root for 'a drop/bit/unit of
something', "er-", occurs also as a syllable at the end of the root
for 'sugar', "suker-". I get that. But I'm not understanding how you
mean 'interfere' in 'Other short words should not interfere with roots'.

Could you give an example of how "zu", say, would be superior to "al"
or "ad" in this respect?

---SNIP---

> I await reactions.  It's lonely in here.

I'm here for you, Rex. :-)

--larry

Saluton!

> Upon reflection, I've decided that "e" for "and" is a bad idea.  I
> think I'll go back to "kay".  For "or", I can't use "aw," because
> that is now the imperative ending.  I actually think that "kor" would
> be the way to go here.
         Agreed.

> Other short words should not interfere with roots.  ...
> Me iras zu la domo.  Me iras zu dan la domo.  I like it.
         So do I.

> Same goes for Eo "el", meaning out of or from.  Possibilities are
> keeping el, or using ex (esh)or using eks, or Russian "iz", or
> squeezing two roots together and making it "del".  I'm actually
> inclined towards "del".
         I thik either 'iz' or 'del' is OK -- my preference is for 'iz.'

> Have to keep in mind that I'm trying to minimize the possiblity of
> misleading things like 'sukero,' not eliminate them entirely.  That,
> I'm sure, would warp T way too much.
         I've never shared the concern about the 'sukero' problem.  It seems
to me that spending much time and rebuilding everything to eliminate rare
difficulties is too wasteful.  After all, 'sukero' probably never would
appear outside a context that would make its meaning clear.  Still, it is
fun to play with wills-o'-the-wisp!

         Best regards and wishes,
John

--- In texperanto@yahoogroups.com, "HandyDad" <lsulky@r...> wrote:
> --- In texperanto@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote:
> > Upon reflection, I've decided that "e" for "and" is a bad idea.
I
> > think I'll go back to "kay".  For "or", I can't use "aw," because
> > that is now the imperative ending.  I actually think that "kor"
would
> > be the way to go here.
>
> Good and good.

Glad you agree.  Actually, in picking 'e' I violated the whole notion
of homonym-avoidance elaborated below.

>
> >
> > Other short words should not interfere with roots.  That is, I
> > decided that too many borrowable roots begin with "al," so I
started
> > using "Ad" for to, towards.  Now I'm thinking that too many roots
> > begin with "ad" for that to be optimum.
>
> Rex, could you illustrate what kind of problem you're trying to
avoid?
> With "sukero" the problem is that the root for 'a drop/bit/unit of
> something', "er-", occurs also as a syllable at the end of the root
> for 'sugar', "suker-". I get that. But I'm not understanding how you
> mean 'interfere' in 'Other short words should not interfere with
roots'.
>
> Could you give an example of how "zu", say, would be superior
to "al"
> or "ad" in this respect?

Yes, I was vague.  What I'm thinking about is roots we might have
like admirar, admiralo, adiktar, adorar, aluminumo, almondo, alumeto,
that would be marginally misleading because the ad and al look like
they're constituents of a compound.  OTOH, law me, 'zu' would be much
less likely to begin a general average European root, and hence, less
potential confusion.

Same of course applies to el or ex, with so many roots beginning with
them.  Now, I like iz, but it does seem less Eo-ish than del would,
and del has the advantage of combining easily as a prefix with most
roots.  'Delirar,' 'delijar', 'deltirar' etc.  Now, Eo uses 'de' for
the meaning of 'from,' which, I think, is putting too much on such a
little word.  I'd thought about just using English 'from,' or the
abbreviate 'fro,' but now I'm thinking that maybe German 'aus,' or
Teo 'aws' would be the best word to replace 'el.'

Lu delijis la skatolo.  Lu izijis la skatolo.  Lu awsijis la skatolo.

Okay -- iz, del, or aws?
And for just 'from', do we want to use de, from, or fro?

And, which is better - zu or tsu, or, for that matter, tu or to?  And
we also have 'ko' from Russian.

All this is nitpicking, perhaps, but I do want Teo to be marginally
better than Eo, and avoidance of homonyms is a worthy goal.  Oh,
that's the reason for 'dan' replacing 'en' - lots of roots, I think,
begin with 'en.'  And 'in' would be even worse, and besides that,
it's also the feminine suffix.

> > I await reactions.  It's lonely in here.
>
> I'm here for you, Rex. :-)
>

Dank zu (tsu, to, tu, ko) ta!

>         I've never shared the concern about the 'sukero' problem.  It
seems
> to me that spending much time and rebuilding everything to eliminate
rare
> difficulties is too wasteful.  After all, 'sukero' probably never
would
> appear outside a context that would make its meaning clear.  Still,
it is
> fun to play with wills-o'-the-wisp!

Johan!  Bonven!

Me akord ke la 'sukero' problemo non es tre grav, sed, lamode kel ta
diris, es amuze ludar per lo.  Kay memoraw, la Texperant linq kreijis
ce otra universo, dan kel Zamenhof lernis tem Hispanling, Cerokiling,
Kreyolling, kay ec numete tem Cinling!

I updated the page with these changes:

I decided to keep the original Eo "al."
Verb infinitives end in -ar
The Eo -ar suffix becomes -arm (suggesting 'swarm')
We now have "ex" (pronounced 'esh') meaning 'former' and "eks" meaning 'from' or
'out of',
replacing 'el.'
Please point out any mistakes.

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