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RE: [The Commons] Critique on Amory Lovins / RMI

Hi Eric,

 

I have had a go at the Amory Lovins brand of idiocy before.  The paper “The Demise of Business as Usual” was written to apply the remarks in “On the Conservation-within-Capitalism Scenario” to The Apollo Alliance, which Mike Ruppert and Dale Allen Pfeiffer wanted to shoot down; but, it could be made to apply to Amory Lovins mutatis mutandis, which we can let the intelligent reader do for himself.

 

Essentially it’s this:  Lovins and his ilk know about Peak Oil but nothing about Maximum Renewables, which they leave out of account in operating a market system, which is certain to be energy intensive.  They don’t seem to understand that every economic transaction has energy consequences; and, in particular, in a market economy, it must bear the huge cost of commerce.  Just ask yourself how many people you know who produce the things we need to live rather than transfer money to themselves or their employers.  If you leave healthcare out of account, which is a peculiar artifice of the diseased capitalist economies, you will get a more realistic answer of how much energy can be saved.

 

To drive home this observation, I wrote “Energy in a Mark II Economy”, which provides an Excel spreadsheet for an economy that is simple but complicated enough to illustrate my point – perhaps even prove my point.

 

Tom Wayburn, Houston, Texas
http://dematerialism.net/

 

 


From: the-commons@yahoogroups.com [mailto:the-commons@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eric.britton
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:39 AM
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Subject: [The Commons] Critique on Amory Lovins / RMI

 

Der Colleagues,

This commentary which just slipped in over the transom is something that I share with you not to demean the intelligence or good intentions of Amory Lovins as a person or thinker, but because the rather vigorous author -- to my mind -- puts his finger right on a very important weak point in the present sustainability debate. Other than that let me give the stage to the author for his trenchant commentary.

Eric Britton

From: Bram Büscher [mailto:BE.Buscher@FSW.VU.NL]

Sent: 25 February 2008 03:23

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Subject: [Spam] Critique on Amory Lovins / RMI

 

Dear All,

I was at the Berlin conference of the Human Dimensions of Global Change yesterday and attended a (video conference) presentation by dr. Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain institute. I have seen few people so bluntly reduce all environmental problems (and the politics around it) to technological fetishes (apparently accessible to all?).

He also advocated another book of his and colleagues entitled 'Natural Capitalism' that again combines all the good and the ugly into a 'profitable' 'win-win' mix for all of humankind and nature... On the website of the book (natcap.org) it says that they want to publish cheers and jeers, but that 'so far, the book has received almost pure praise and that frankly, this is a bit embarrassing'.

Now, personally, I cannot imagine this, and wonder whether anybody on the list has some suggestions for critical literature/articles. Basically, I'm looking for some more practical armour in the face of people who so optimistically go about selling such grand illusions.

Thanks,

Bram



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