Hello!  Does anybody here have any boxed Tomy Tutor cartridges for
trade?  Or even just loose boxes or intructions for trade or sale?
Please reply of you have any surplus for sale or trade.

On an unrelated note, check out ebay auction #2054963068
It is a "NEC Trek" computer, anybody here have one of these?  I am
not sure how rare a machine it is, but it even comes with a "Canyon
Climber" game cartridge.  I will be looking forward to receiving this.

Matthew

At 4:06 AM +0000 9/24/02, atari_trader wrote:
>On an unrelated note, check out ebay auction #2054963068

Oh, dammit!

> It is a "NEC Trek" computer, anybody here have one of these?

No, but I wouldn't mind finding one!

> I am not sure how rare a machine it is

I think it's fairly rare, since it doesn't come up very often.

> but it even comes with a "Canyon Climber" game cartridge.

I have one cart at least...  "The Curse Of Crowley Manor".
I'd love to find more.  The person who I got the one from
may have thrown out others.  :-(

> I will be looking forward to receiving this.

Well, if you ever get tired of it...
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Several of us have NEC TREK computers.  If you'd like to go to the
more generic home computer forum, here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homecomputerclub/

If you want to see the emulator, go to
www.geocities.com/emucompboy
and it also comes with the Canyon Climber game.

The NEC TREK was sold at about the same time, and in the same places,
as the Tomy Tutor.


--- In tomytutor@y..., atari_trader <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hello!  Does anybody here have any boxed Tomy Tutor cartridges for
> trade?  Or even just loose boxes or intructions for trade or sale?
> Please reply of you have any surplus for sale or trade.
>
> On an unrelated note, check out ebay auction #2054963068
> It is a "NEC Trek" computer, anybody here have one of these?  I am
> not sure how rare a machine it is, but it even comes with a "Canyon
> Climber" game cartridge.  I will be looking forward to receiving
this.
>
> Matthew

The Nec Trek is fairly rare in terms of finding it on Ebay.  You can
go months before you will ever see one.  Unfortunately the Nec Trek
is not very desirable.  They often sell for around $50.00 or so.

My Nec Trek is very nice and is in excellent condition, boxed,
manuals, and also a Nec Trek Price guide and catalog, there were
quite a few carts and other devices planned.  Towards the end, NEC
appears to have dumped the entire system, as the carts sold direct
from NEC for next to NOTHING..  I'll have to open mine up and see
what the price guide said again.


I have never seen any of the other hardware devices on Ebay.  I know
somebody here owns the light pen.
I myself own 4 carts, Canyon Climber box and one that is not boxed,
Meteor Evader, and Tumble Bugs.

I am really looking to collect more Nec Trek Carts, I would really
like to get my hands on Shamus.

I will say the Nec Trek has been perhaps one of the most affordable
computers to collect.


Another computer that is very affordable and easy to collect is the
Panasonic JR 200U..    This computer is another one of my favorites.

I have the Touch Panel and the Expansion Unit hardware.  I disabled
the "auto reset" on one of the Expansion Unit's cartridge slots, so I
could use it for plugging in cartridges live, so I could make ROM
image files from them.

The seller for those was surfdaddy.com.  He also had a thermal
printer, and the demo disk, which I passed on (he wanted $30 for the
printer, or $100 for all his remaining NEC stuff).  Who knows, he
might still have those.  Looks like his website is now an online
pharmacy though.  If you're really interested, you might want to e-
mail him anyway.

I have Canyon Climber, Crowley Manor, Electric Pencil, Extended
BASIC, Micropainter, Music Editor, and Touch Panel cartridges.

If you could make images of your cartridges which are not on that
list, I'll add them to the emulator collection next time I update it:
www.geocities.com/emucompboy



--- In tomytutor@y..., swap_and_shop <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> I have never seen any of the other hardware devices on Ebay.  I
know
> somebody here owns the light pen.
> I myself own 4 carts, Canyon Climber box and one that is not boxed,
> Meteor Evader, and Tumble Bugs.
>
> I am really looking to collect more Nec Trek Carts, I would really
> like to get my hands on Shamus.

I recently won a Boxed Panasonic JR-200U with two taped programs for
$25.00 with shipping included in the price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056017924

I now have three of these computers.  What was great about this
auction is it included two Panasonic Software Programs,


Personal Bill Paying JR-TU41
Business Analysis and Forecasting   JR-TU42


I know have a large and growing collection of JR-200U software... I
need to organize it though....

At 1:50 AM +0000 9/27/02, emucompboy wrote:
> If you want to see the emulator, go to http://www.geocities.com/emucompboy

The page doesn't say, but I assume these emulators are for the PC?
I don't suppose there are Mac versions of the NEC Trek emulator and
others?

---

At 1:18 AM +0000 9/30/02, swap_and_shop wrote:
>The Nec Trek is fairly rare in terms of finding it on Ebay.  You can
>go months before you will ever see one.

Are there other sources of acquiring these and/or cartridges for it?

>My Nec Trek is very nice and is in excellent condition, boxed,
>manuals, and also a Nec Trek Price guide and catalog, there were
>quite a few carts and other devices planned.  Towards the end, NEC
>appears to have dumped the entire system, as the carts sold direct
>from NEC for next to NOTHING..  I'll have to open mine up and see
>what the price guide said again.

I wouldn't mind seeing a list of carts that were released for it...

>I am really looking to collect more Nec Trek Carts, I would really
>like to get my hands on Shamus.

Yeah, great game anyway...

>I will say the Nec Trek has been perhaps one of the most affordable
>computers to collect.

Well, I'd love to hear about where I might find one I guess...

>Another computer that is very affordable and easy to collect is the
>Panasonic JR 200U..    This computer is another one of my favorites.

Yeah, it's very attractive.  It didn't take carts though, did it?
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I think I have both of those.  Check the emulator archive.  The most
recent update of the emulator has a "macro" ability for easier
loading of the tape images.



--- In tomytutor@y..., swap_and_shop <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I now have three of these computers.  What was great about this
> auction is it included two Panasonic Software Programs,
>
>
> Personal Bill Paying JR-TU41
> Business Analysis and Forecasting   JR-TU42

Ah, my emulators are for Windows 98 with DirectX 7.

All of the software for the Panasonic JR-200U that we know about came
on cassettes.  The "expansion port" was supposedly to be used for
things like memory expansion, disk drive interface, and the like,
none of which were marketed in the U.S. so far as we know.


--- In tomytutor@y..., Russ Perry Jr <slapdash@e...> wrote:
> At 1:50 AM +0000 9/27/02, emucompboy wrote:
> > If you want to see the emulator, go to
http://www.geocities.com/emucompboy
>
> The page doesn't say, but I assume these emulators are for the PC?
> I don't suppose there are Mac versions of the NEC Trek emulator and
> others?

> >Another computer that is very affordable and easy to collect is
the
> >Panasonic JR 200U..    This computer is another one of my
favorites.
>
> Yeah, it's very attractive.  It didn't take carts though, did it?

This subject has probably come up before ,but I feel that some
members including myself would be greatful, if a member has a copy of
the owners manual for the tutor, would scan it and put it in the file
section for us to download. Thanks

I deleted the member responsible for the board spam..  Sorry about
that...

Certainly that is something I would like to see on here as well. But
the manual is long, and would require several hours of work to scan
the pages.. Perhaps we should divide the task up among several of us,
and it would go faster...

If anyone would like to help in doing that, let me know, and I'll
organize the effort.

swap/founder






--- In tomytutor@yahoogroups.com, vortexamjk <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>  This subject has probably come up before ,but I feel that some
> members including myself would be greatful, if a member has a copy
of
> the owners manual for the tutor, would scan it and put it in the
file
> section for us to download. Thanks

opps..

http://home.kc.rr.com/vintagecomputers/index.html

Hi,
  From your website:

"killed off by the likes of the great video game crash of 1983 and by
the superior and more cheaply priced Commodore 64."

Matter of opinion here...the only "superior" things about the C64 I can
think of are cheap, the sound chip and the sheer mass of software
available.  The TI-99 was better built, the Atari had a better keyboard,
the CoCo had great support from Radio Shack and all of them had much
faster and more reliable disk drives and easier versions of BASIC to
use.  The Panasonic JR200 had good graphics, a great BASIC and was well
built, and if it had lasted longer and gotten more popular, it would
have been a great system.  Sure the C-64 was cheap, but it was, well,
cheap...

  From my collection:
4 20 year old TI-99 systems, all work reliably including disk drives
3 20 year old Atari systems, all work reliably including disk drives
6 15-20 year old CoCo systems, all work reliably including disk drives
2 20 year old Tomy Tutors, one works great the other is marginal
1 20 year old Panasonic JR200, works reliably
1 NEC Trek, built like a tank, works every time
3 VIC-20s, 2 Commodore 64s, 3 C-128s, 8 drives from 1541-1571, 3
printers, one VIC-20 almost works, one 64C new style works, one 128
works, one 128 works only in C64 mode, 2 1541-II drives work most of the
time, rest seldom work, 1 printer works usually.  That's 8 systems, of
which only 2 work right, with 1 disk drive a piece.  The games and demos
for the C64 are great, when they work...

Just my humble opinion based on my experiences.
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swap_and_shop wrote:
> opps..
>
> http://home.kc.rr.com/vintagecomputers/index.html
>

> Matter of opinion here...the only "superior" things about the C64 I can
> think of are cheap, the sound chip and the sheer mass of software
> available.  The TI-99 was better built, the Atari had a better keyboard,
> the CoCo had great support from Radio Shack and all of them had much
> faster and more reliable disk drives and easier versions of BASIC to
> use.  The Panasonic JR200 had good graphics, a great BASIC and was well
> built, and if it had lasted longer and gotten more popular, it would
> have been a great system.  Sure the C-64 was cheap, but it was, well,
> cheap...

No offense to those in the conversation, but I'd really like to avoid a
my-computer-can-beat-up-your-computer thread. I get that enough other
places and it's really quite tiresome.

ObTutor: Great things are afoot on the GBASIC front -- stay tuned for a
very complete analysis, and the first steps towards a working GBASIC
model in Tutti. I'm still fleshing out the syntax tree (there's a lot of
weirdness in GBASIC's expression handling), but at least one
undocumented keyword has emerged, as well as some clues to its
internal memory representations. I'll be posting when it's done very
soon (next week perhaps).

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Hey Davey..


Davey, you know I am partial to Commodore.

But the videogame crash of 1983 did kill off a lot of computer brands
as well as videogame systems..

My opinion is based partly on the research I conducted from the
Panasonic JR-200 magazine articles I found.  The articles basically
state that NEC Trek, Panasonic jr-200 and yes, even the Tutor, could
not compete in price when compared to the Commodore 64.

Go to the magazine section on my website..


Very few companies could compete with the price of the Commodore 64
David, as you very well know..   The video game crash, combined with
the low cost 64 made the NEC TREK, Panasonic JR-200 and the Tomy
Tutor unable to compete.. The market was flooded as well.


What I thought was interesting in my research is that both the Tutor,
Nec Trek and Panasonic JR-200 were cancelled during the same time
period in January/February 1984.  Obviously the Japanese were having
major problems competing in the American marketplace at that time.


So, that is my opinion and I am sticking by it..  :)



Now as to the success of the C=64.


The graphics on the Commodore 64 are some of the best I have ever
seen on a 8bit computer.

Frankly, there is no software that I have seen on the Panasonic JR-
200 that that even remotely competes with the graphics of the
Commodore 64...

In my opinion the Commodore 64 beats Apple IIe, TI-99 4/a, Tomy
Tutor, Mattel Aquarius, Nec Trek, and Panasonic JR-200, and just
about all other 8 bits for graphics..

I can show you a few classic games on the C=64, Defender of the Crown
would be an excellent demonstration.  Or perhaps legacy of the
ancients.. Or even Three Stooges...

True the disk drives are slow.  And they do have to be aligned from
time to time.. I was able to use my original drives for 5 years
running a bbs without cleaning or alignment.

The SID chip of the Commodore 64 is hard to beat, although I know
that the Panasonic JR-200 has an excellent sound chip..

So for graphics and sound, the 64 is top notch...

The Commodore 64 was superior to the Panasonic JR-200U in every
respect except for Commie BASIC lacking sound and graphic commands.

If you've been programming the Panasonic JR, you've probably
discovered that its BASIC sound commands are nothing to write home
about anyway -- and the sound quality (almost-square waves) is not
great.

But we're discussing this in the wrong group.  This thread should be
in Home Computers and not in Tomy Tutor.


--- In tomytutor@yahoogroups.com, "David S. Brain" <dsbrain@n...>
wrote:
> Hi,
>  From your website:
>
> "killed off by the likes of the great video game crash of 1983 and
by
> the superior and more cheaply priced Commodore 64."
>
> Matter of opinion here...the only "superior" things about the C64 I
can
> think of are cheap, the sound chip and the sheer mass of software
> available.  The TI-99 was better built, the Atari had a better
keyboard,
> the CoCo had great support from Radio Shack and all of them had
much
> faster and more reliable disk drives and easier versions of BASIC
to
> use.  The Panasonic JR200 had good graphics, a great BASIC and was
well
> built, and if it had lasted longer and gotten more popular, it
would
> have been a great system.  Sure the C-64 was cheap, but it was,
well,
> cheap...
>
>  From my collection:
> 4 20 year old TI-99 systems, all work reliably including disk drives
> 3 20 year old Atari systems, all work reliably including disk drives
> 6 15-20 year old CoCo systems, all work reliably including disk
drives
> 2 20 year old Tomy Tutors, one works great the other is marginal
> 1 20 year old Panasonic JR200, works reliably
> 1 NEC Trek, built like a tank, works every time
> 3 VIC-20s, 2 Commodore 64s, 3 C-128s, 8 drives from 1541-1571, 3
> printers, one VIC-20 almost works, one 64C new style works, one 128
> works, one 128 works only in C64 mode, 2 1541-II drives work most
of the
> time, rest seldom work, 1 printer works usually.  That's 8 systems,
of
> which only 2 work right, with 1 disk drive a piece.  The games and
demos
> for the C64 are great, when they work...
>
> Just my humble opinion based on my experiences.
> --
> Davey Brain
> dsbrain@n...
> http://www.neosplice.com/~dsbrain/
>
> <<--Unfortunately in Win98 today, Netscape 7.0-->>
> <<--AMD Athlon 1700XP+  S3 ProSavageDDR 4X AGP-->>
>
> swap_and_shop wrote:
> > opps..
> >
> > http://home.kc.rr.com/vintagecomputers/index.html
> >

I like the way the Atari 8-bit computer graphics look on a TV screen,
but that's just me.

Oh, and I hate the Panasonic's sound chip (which appears to be
integrated into the sub-cpu -- remind you of something?  Reminds me
of Commodore's TED).  The near-square waves are just harsh on the
attack.

The AY sound chips in the NEC TREK and the Aquarius mini-expander
(and numerous other computers) are much nicer than the Panasonic JR
sound.

>
> The SID chip of the Commodore 64 is hard to beat, although I know
> that the Panasonic JR-200 has an excellent sound chip..

--- In tomytutor@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@s...> wrote:
> No offense to those in the conversation, but I'd really like to
avoid a
> my-computer-can-beat-up-your-computer thread. I get that enough

LOL, not the least of which is that we're doing the "my computer is
better" about computers that are seventeen years obsolete.

> ObTutor: Great things are afoot on the GBASIC front -- stay tuned
for a
> very complete analysis, and the first steps towards a working GBASIC
> model in Tutti. I'm still fleshing out the syntax tree (there's a
lot of

Well, for the third time, I have failed to make an emulator for the
Tomy Tutor.  I really gave it a good try this last time, too.
(Sometimes my good tries work out fairly well -- the Panasonic JR-
200U emulator works well enough to play about half its games).  I
failed partly because I do not understand the MAME 9995 CPU module,
which is not like the other modules (old z80 and recent 680x) modules
I have been working with.  I think for my next try, I'll try to make
a TI emulator, and if that works, change it into a Tomy Tutor
emulator.

> > ObTutor: Great things are afoot on the GBASIC front -- stay tuned for a
> > very complete analysis, and the first steps towards a working GBASIC
> > model in Tutti. I'm still fleshing out the syntax tree (there's a lot of
>
> Well, for the third time, I have failed to make an emulator for the
> Tomy Tutor.  I really gave it a good try this last time, too.

I'm wondering if the (so far poorly understood) banking logic is to blame.
The Tutor has a lot more ROM to worry about and deal with than the TI.

Tutti 0.3 is nearly done. I'm not going to put the GBASIC interpreter in it
yet (I'm not finished figuring out all the quirks), but it will have some
semblance of a GBASIC mode, and I'll probably enable some sort of file
access from the MONitor. I fixed all the bugs from before and cleaned up the
GRAPHICs mode raster flicker, too. It's not perfect but it's cleaner.

Also working on a comparison architecture between the TI series and the Tomy
(hey, does anyone know if the 9995 in the 99/2 and 99/8 is also muxed?),
updating all the old information, and I might work on a Tutor-ial page for
getting started with the Tutor, GRAPHICs mode, etc.

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OK, first let me apologize to everyone.  The message about the Commie
computers was SUPPOSED to go to Swap personally.  I had just got out of
bed and was obviously not fully awake when I wrote and sent that letter.
   I don't mean to start any wars, especially when I'm outnumbered here
(and most places as there were approximately 6.8 C64s sold for every
TI-99 sold).

Second, how did the Panasonic JR200 pop up in the Tomy Tutor group?  I'm
not even sure I knew what group I was in when I got the link to the
website :/
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emucompboy wrote:
> The Commodore 64 was superior to the Panasonic JR-200U in every
> respect except for Commie BASIC lacking sound and graphic commands.
>
> If you've been programming the Panasonic JR, you've probably
> discovered that its BASIC sound commands are nothing to write home
> about anyway -- and the sound quality (almost-square waves) is not
> great.
>
> But we're discussing this in the wrong group.  This thread should be
> in Home Computers and not in Tomy Tutor.
>

Davey, you have nothing to apologize for.


To everybody else;



I personally don't mind these types of conversations as long as they
are civil,-- And I know all of us are old enough and wise enough to
be civil.  :)

I remember having heated debates when I was 14 yrs old about the
C=64,  (and that was 16 years ago), and I don't need to rehash that
part of my youth. :)

Secondly, there has been little to talk about on the Club board, so I
personally don't mind if we discuss other machines, unless you all
have a problem with doing so.   I don't like to censor people unless
it is for something entirely inappropiate.

Thirdly, I consider all of us to be friends who have similiar
collecting hobbies.  If you want to talk about other vintage
computers, please fill free to do so. Or, as an example, if you own a
vintage car and want to talk about it, then do so.

This is a free speech board...


whew.... . :)

swap

Happy New Year!

I am going to be working on placing the Tomy Tutor Newsletters on the
club over the next three days.. This is what I do when I get some
time off.. LOL...


Also in the works,  a Tomy Tutor History document.

I will also begin to make some of the manual available..



swap.

I want to collect it before you do, but you seem to have a larger
supply of $$$ and space than I do, not to mention a quicker finger on
the E-Bay Bid button!

  :)



--- In tomytutor@yahoogroups.com, swap_and_shop <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> Thirdly, I consider all of us to be friends who have similiar
> collecting hobbies.  If you want to talk about other vintage
> computers, please fill free to do so. Or, as an example, if you own
a
> vintage car and want to talk about it, then do so.

Hi,
This will be a great resource.  I've got about 10 irons in the fire
right now, but I do find time to do some of it sometimes.

I'd be glad to help with the Tomy manual project but I don't own the
manual.  If I did I'd already have made a txt and html version of it
(does anyone else hate pdf as much as I do?).

The TI-99 came with an excellant introduction to BASIC programming and a
great BASIC reference guide (blue and green books).  I'm actually in the
process of converting those texts to the Tomy Tutor.  The BASICs are
very similar, and it's easy to try everything out on the Tomy.  I
haven't worked on that for a while.  I have a sick Atari MegaST2 I'm
working on taking the desk space.  But I'll let you all know when that's
done.

Thanks everybody for everything you're doing:
Cameron-Tutti emulator, GBASIC docs
Emucompboy-trying to make an emulator for the PC
Swap-all the docs and newsletters

If I forgot anyone, speak up!
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swap_and_shop wrote:
> I am going to be working on placing the Tomy Tutor Newsletters on the
> club over the next three days.. This is what I do when I get some
> time off.. LOL...
>
>
> Also in the works,  a Tomy Tutor History document.
>
> I will also begin to make some of the manual available..
>
>
>
> swap.

And some of us live with a mommy who says things like "one more computer
and you're outta here" but I keep pushing it :)
Davey B.

emucompboy wrote:
> I want to collect it before you do, but you seem to have a larger
> supply of $$$ and space than I do, not to mention a quicker finger on
> the E-Bay Bid button!
>
>  :)
>
>
>
> --- In tomytutor@yahoogroups.com, swap_and_shop <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
>>Thirdly, I consider all of us to be friends who have similiar
>>collecting hobbies.  If you want to talk about other vintage
>>computers, please fill free to do so. Or, as an example, if you own
>
> a
>
>>vintage car and want to talk about it, then do so.
>

"Cameron Kaiser" <spectre@...> wrote:
<snip>
> Also working on a comparison architecture between the TI series and the
Tomy
> (hey, does anyone know if the 9995 in the 99/2 and 99/8 is also muxed?),
> updating all the old information, and I might work on a Tutor-ial page for
> getting started with the Tutor, GRAPHICs mode, etc.

The 9995 muxes the databus always.  The 9995 is the indirect descendant of
the 9985 that was supposed to be in the 99/4 -- which instead got a 9900
kludged to work similarly to the 9985.  The 99/8 uses a special version of
the 9995 that disables most of the on-chip RAM.  Not sure about the 99/2.

Jeff White
jhwhite@...

> The 9995 muxes the databus always.  The 9995 is the indirect descendant of
> the 9985 that was supposed to be in the 99/4 -- which instead got a 9900
> kludged to work similarly to the 9985.  The 99/8 uses a special version of
> the 9995 that disables most of the on-chip RAM.

Explain this. Is there another "$8300 page" RAM out there in the 99/8?
Is that page connected by the same 16-bit wide path as the 9900's, or muxed
in the same way as the rest of memory access? And what's most of the RAM?

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Since we are so chatty today, I thought I would mention a couple of
things non-tutor related.

1)  For all you in need of a CD-Write drive, Office Max has a sale on
them for $19.99,  they ran out, but they do offer substitutions. It's
a super deal.



2)  I am curious to know if there are any fans of the Board game Axis
and Allies??     If so, I would love to play a game either by email
or online in MSN game zone with the CD...  Or if any of you all
happen to play chess. I wouldn't mind playing some of the members in
a game.


Now back to work on the Tutor Newsletters..  :)

> 1)  For all you in need of a CD-Write drive, Office Max has a sale on
> them for $19.99,  they ran out, but they do offer substitutions. It's
> a super deal.

Kewl. I wonder if that can be coerced to work in a Mac ...

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