Hi Monz,

I just found out about tonescape and it looks like its just what I've been
looking for for a long time.
Only problem is that it doesn't start up.
I am using XP, followed the instructions (updating etc.) but it stops after
showing the initial picture of a starshape lattice(?).
My DirectX vesion is the same as your version.
Do you have any advice for me?

Niels

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Oz,
>
> I've sent them to your ozanyarman.com email.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear monz,
> >
> > Thank you for your support. I followed your advice and
> > ran dxdiag. My DirectX is the same as your version.
> > However, it seems that d3d8.dll and d3d9.dll are not
> > up to date. I tried a complete reinstallation of
> > a new download to no avail. These files simply won't
> > update. There are exclamation marks next to them with
> > a warning saying that they are old versions. Can you
> > send me your version of these files and tell me
> > exactly where to copy them?
>

hi everyone,


Just wanted to post a message here concerning running
Tonescape in Windows Vista.

The good news is that Tonescape is working fine
on my newest laptop (Toshiba Satellite A215-S5850)
in Windows Vista Home Premium. And it looks more
beautiful than ever!

But i have tried to install Tonescape on several
Vista machines for other people and have had problems.
It always installs fine, but then crashes when
trying to run. But installing it onto my own Vista
machine, Tonescape worked perfectly right "out of the box".

Most of the problems with Tonescape are because of
compatibility issues between different versions of
Microsoft's DirectX. But getting a Windows Update
in Vista can also actually break a working Tonescape
installation, as happened to me.

I brought my Toshiba laptop to the September MusicByComputers
meeting, and Tonescape mysteriously crashed on
trying to open it.

I say mysteriously because i have 4 (yep, four)
different linux distros on this machine and i use two
of them all the time, and never use Windows for
anything except Tonescape. I actually had not booted
into Windows since showing some things in Tonescape
at the August meeting.

I suspected that Vista had gotten an automatic update
which broke Tonescape, and apparently i was right.
After trying to uninstall and reinstall Tonescape
several times with different configurations and no success,
i finally decided that the only solution was to reinstall
a fresh factory version of Vista.

Luckily i didn't have to do that, because when i put
in the CD it asked me if i wanted to roll back to a
previous version of Vista, and Vista apparently keeps
a database of each change that is made to the system,
BACK TO A CERTAIN POINT.

The earliest version that i had available was from
August 31 2008, just before a Windows update. Then only
a few days after that the changes made were that i had
removed Tonescape, then the next one after that was the
new install of Tonescape.

So apparently the database goes back about 6 months,
and i was very lucky that there was still a version of
Vista in which Tonescape worked. So i was able to keep
all the settings and software i had on August 31 -- which,
since i haven't used Vista at all since then, means everything
-- and get Tonescape working again.

The caveat is that as soon as i restored to that version
of Vista, i turned off automatic Windows updates, which
means that i shouldn't go online with Vista anymore. So i
also turned off the automatic wireless.

So as long as i keep that version of Vista exactly as it is,
Tonescape will be working fine for me on the Toshiba.
I can show it off again at the March meeting.


-monz

Hi Oz,

I've sent them to your ozanyarman.com email.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear monz,
>
> Thank you for your support. I followed your advice and
> ran dxdiag. My DirectX is the same as your version.
> However, it seems that d3d8.dll and d3d9.dll are not
> up to date. I tried a complete reinstallation of
> a new download to no avail. These files simply won't
> update. There are exclamation marks next to them with
> a warning saying that they are old versions. Can you
> send me your version of these files and tell me
> exactly where to copy them?

Dear monz,

Thank you for your support. I followed your advice and ran dxdiag. My
DirectX is the same as your version. However, it seems that d3d8.dll
and d3d9.dll are not up to date. I tried a complete reinstallation of
a new download to no avail. These files simply won't update. There are
exclamation marks next to them with a warning saying that they are old
versions. Can you send me your version of these files and tell me
exactly where to copy them?

Cordially,
Oz.

On Jun 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, monz wrote:

> Hi Oz,
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Monz, if my understanding is correct, different
>> Direct X 9.0c versions arise from SDK updates occuring
>> every 2-3 months. Do you or Chris not know which exact
>> DirectX package works with Tonescape? It shouldn't be
>> too difficult to look up the version number on your
>> computer.
>
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to help increase your exasperation.
>
> Actually, yes, it's a simply matter to find out everything
> there is to know about the DirectX installed on one's
> machine ... assuming, that is, that Parallels on Mac
> works exactly like regular Windows XP.
>
> Simply click on the "start" button and click on the
> "Run..." link on your start menu. It should be the last
> entry on the right-hand side of the main menu. It will
> open a small dialog box with a text-box entry area.
> Type in "dxdiag" (without the quotes), then the "OK"
> button, and that will open another larger dialog box
> with several tabs.
>
> On the first tab, at the bottom, your exact version
> of DirectX will be listed. On the machine i'm typing
> from right now, which runs Tonescape fine, my info is:
> DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
>
> There's another tab which lists all of the DirectX Files.
> If you click the "Save All Information..." button it
> will save a text file of everything on this dialog box
> (but it's not necessary -- you can just look at the info
> by clicking the tab). Here is the complete list of
> DirectX files on my machine:
>
> (I've left out the "language" and "attributes" columns,
> since they were all the same -- English and "Final Retail"
> respectively -- in the interests of trying to keep each
> entry on a single line. I also know that the Yahoo website
> is going to make it look ugly, sorry)
>
> ------------------
> DirectX Components
> ------------------
> name          version        date               bytes
>   ddraw.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 279552
> ddrawex.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 27136
>   dxapi.sys: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 10496
>    d3d8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 1179648
> d3d8thk.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 8192
>    d3d9.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 1689088
>   d3dim.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 436224
> d3dim700.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 824320
> d3dramp.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 590336
>   d3drm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 350208
>  d3dxof.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 47616
> d3dpmesh.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 34816
>   dplay.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 33040
>  dplayx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 229888
> dpmodemx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 23552
> dpwsock.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 42768
> dpwsockx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 57344
> dplaysvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:17 29696
>  dpnsvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:17 17920
>   dpnet.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 375296
> dpnlobby.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:09:20 3072
> dpnaddr.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:09:19 3072
> dpvoice.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 212480
> dpvsetup.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:18 83456
>  dpvvox.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 116736
>  dpvacm.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 21504
> dpnhpast.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 35328
> dpnhupnp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 60928
> dpserial.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 53520
>  dinput.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 158720
> dinput8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181760
>   dimap.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 44032
> diactfrm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 394240
>     joy.cpl: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:41 68608
>   gcdef.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 76800
>     pid.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:02 35328
>  dsound.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 367616
> dsound3d.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 1293824
>  dswave.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 19456
>   dsdmo.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181248
> dsdmoprp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 71680
>  dmusic.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 104448
>  dmband.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 28672
> dmcompos.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 61440
>   dmime.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181248
> dmloader.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 35840
> dmstyle.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 105984
> dmsynth.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 103424
> dmscript.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 82432
>  system.dll: 1.00.3705.6060 6/2/2008 22:13:44 1179648
>  system.dll: 1.01.4322.2407 7/19/2007 01:37:11 1232896
>   dx7vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 619008
>   dx8vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 1227264
> dxdiagn.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 2113536
>   mfc40.dll: 4.01.0000.6140 8/10/2004 12:00:00 924432
>   mfc42.dll: 6.02.4131.0000 4/13/2008 17:11:56 1028096
> wsock32.dll: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:10 22528
> amstream.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:49 70656
> devenum.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 59904
>  dxmasf.dll: 6.04.0009.1133 4/13/2008 17:11:52 498742
> mciqtz32.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:56 35328
> mpg2splt.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 21:06:50 165376
>   msdmo.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:59 14336
>  encapi.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:53 20480
>    qasf.dll: 11.00.5721.5145 10/18/2006 23:47:18 211456
>    qcap.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 192512
>     qdv.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 279040
>    qdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 386048
>   qedit.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 562176
> qedwipes.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 10:21:32 733696
>  quartz.dll: 6.05.2600.5596 5/6/2008 22:12:40 1288192
> strmdll.dll: 4.01.0000.3936 4/13/2008 17:12:07 246814
> iac25_32.ax: 2.00.0005.0053 4/13/2008 17:12:42 199680
>  ir41_32.ax: 4.51.0016.0003 4/13/2008 17:12:42 848384
> ir41_qc.dll: 4.30.0062.0002 4/13/2008 17:11:55 120320
> ir41_qcx.dll: 4.30.0064.0001 4/13/2008 17:11:55 338432
> ir50_32.dll: 5.2562.0015.0055 4/13/2008 17:11:55 755200
> ir50_qc.dll: 5.00.0063.0048 4/13/2008 17:11:55 200192
> ir50_qcx.dll: 5.00.0064.0048 4/13/2008 17:11:55 183808
>   ivfsrc.ax: 5.10.0002.0051 4/13/2008 17:12:42 154624
> mswebdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:01 203776
>      ks.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 12:16:36 141056
>  ksproxy.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 129536
>  ksuser.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:56 4096
>  stream.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:45:15 49408
> mspclock.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:50 5376
>   mspqm.sys: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:51 4992
> mskssrv.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:52 7552
>  swenum.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:53 4352
>   mstee.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:50 5504
>  msdvbnp.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 22:01:54 58368
> psisdecd.dll: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:12:14 235008
> psisrndr.ax: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:12:30 224256
>   ipsink.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 16384
> mpeg2data.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 22:01:54 62976
>  ndisip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:22 10880
> streamip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:21 15232
> msvidctl.dll: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:15:52 1669632
>    slip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:23 11136
> nabtsfec.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:25 85248
> ccdecode.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:23 17024
>  vbisurf.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 30208
>   msyuv.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:01 16896
> kstvtune.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 61952
>   ksxbar.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 43008
> kswdmcap.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 91136
> vfwwdm32.dll: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:08 53760
> wstcodec.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:24 19200
> wstdecod.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:10 50688
>    msdv.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:09 51200
>
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:

> In the interests of really trying to help you, i've
> reformatted this list to look nicer here.


Oh, i forgot to say: if viewing on the Yahoo website, click
the "Option" and then "Use Fixed Width Font" links to make
it look neat.



-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi again Oz,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:

> On the first tab, at the bottom, your exact version
> of DirectX will be listed. On the machine i'm typing
> from right now, which runs Tonescape fine, my info is:
> DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
>
> ... Here is the complete list of DirectX files on my machine:


In the interests of really trying to help you, i've
reformatted this list to look nicer here.

("date" seems to be not important -- it appears to be
the date when my machine got that file via a Microsoft
update ... so i've also deleted the "time" component
to save more space.)


------------------
DirectX .. Components
------------------
name .......... version .......... date ......... bytes
ddraw.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 279552
ddrawex.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 27136
dxapi.sys ..... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 .... 10496
d3d8.dll ...... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .. 1179648
d3d8thk.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 8192
d3d9.dll ...... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .. 1689088
d3dim.dll ..... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 ... 436224
d3dim700.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 824320
d3dramp.dll ... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 ... 590336
d3drm.dll ..... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 ... 350208
d3dxof.dll .... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 .... 47616
d3dpmesh.dll .. 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 .... 34816
dplay.dll ..... 5.00.2134.0001 ... 8/10/2004 .... 33040
dplayx.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 229888
dpmodemx.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 23552
dpwsock.dll ... 5.00.2134.0001 ... 8/10/2004 .... 42768
dpwsockx.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 57344
dplaysvr.exe .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 29696
dpnsvr.exe .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 17920
dpnet.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 375296
dpnlobby.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 3072
dpnaddr.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 3072
dpvoice.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 212480
dpvsetup.exe .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 83456
dpvvox.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 116736
dpvacm.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 21504
dpnhpast.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 35328
dpnhupnp.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 60928
dpserial.dll .. 5.00.2134.0001 ... 8/10/2004 .... 53520
dinput.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 158720
dinput8.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 181760
dimap.dll ..... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 .... 44032
diactfrm.dll .. 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 ... 394240
joy.cpl ....... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 68608
gcdef.dll ..... 5.01.2600.0000 ... 8/10/2004 .... 76800
pid.dll ....... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 35328
dsound.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 367616
dsound3d.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .. 1293824
dswave.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 19456
dsdmo.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 181248
dsdmoprp.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 71680
dmusic.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 104448
dmband.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 28672
dmcompos.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 61440
dmime.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 181248
dmloader.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 35840
dmstyle.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 105984
dmsynth.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 103424
dmscript.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 82432
system.dll .... 1.00.3705.6060 ... 6/02/2008 .. 1179648
system.dll .... 1.01.4322.2407 ... 7/19/2007 .. 1232896
dx7vb.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 619008
dx8vb.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .. 1227264
dxdiagn.dll ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .. 2113536
mfc40.dll ..... 4.01.0000.6140 ... 8/10/2004 ... 924432
mfc42.dll ..... 6.02.4131.0000 ... 4/13/2008 .. 1028096
wsock32.dll ... 5.01.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 22528
amstream.dll .. 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 70656
devenum.dll ... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 59904
dxmasf.dll .... 6.04.0009.1133 ... 4/13/2008 ... 498742
mciqtz32.dll .. 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 35328
mpg2splt.ax ... 6.05.2710.2732 ... 8/05/2005 ... 165376
msdmo.dll ..... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 14336
encapi.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 20480
qasf.dll ..... 11.00.5721.5145 .. 10/18/2006 ... 211456
qcap.dll ...... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 192512
qdv.dll ....... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 279040
qdvd.dll ...... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 386048
qedit.dll ..... 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 562176
qedwipes.dll .. 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 733696
quartz.dll .... 6.05.2600.5596 ... 5/06/2008 .. 1288192
strmdll.dll ... 4.01.0000.3936 ... 4/13/2008 ... 246814
iac25_32.ax ... 2.00.0005.0053 ... 4/13/2008 ... 199680
ir41_32.ax .... 4.51.0016.0003 ... 4/13/2008 ... 848384
ir41_qc.dll ... 4.30.0062.0002 ... 4/13/2008 ... 120320
ir41_qcx.dll .. 4.30.0064.0001 ... 4/13/2008 ... 338432
ir50_32.dll ... 5.2562.0015.0055 . 4/13/2008 ... 755200
ir50_qc.dll ... 5.00.0063.0048 ... 4/13/2008 ... 200192
ir50_qcx.dll .. 5.00.0064.0048 ... 4/13/2008 ... 183808
ivfsrc.ax ..... 5.10.0002.0051 ... 4/13/2008 ... 154624
mswebdvd.dll .. 6.05.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 203776
ks.sys ........ 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 141056
ksproxy.ax .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ... 129536
ksuser.dll .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 4096
stream.sys .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 49408
mspclock.sys .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 5376
mspqm.sys ..... 5.01.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 4992
mskssrv.sys ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 7552
swenum.sys .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 4352
mstee.sys ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 ..... 5504
msdvbnp.ax .... 6.05.2710.2732 ... 8/05/2005 .... 58368
psisdecd.dll .. 6.05.2715.3011 .. 10/09/2006 ... 235008
psisrndr.ax ... 6.05.2715.3011 .. 10/09/2006 ... 224256
ipsink.ax ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 16384
mpeg2data.ax .. 6.05.2710.2732 ... 8/05/2005 .... 62976
ndisip.sys .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 10880
streamip.sys .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 15232
msvidctl.dll .. 6.05.2715.3011 .. 10/09/2006 .. 1669632
slip.sys ...... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 11136
nabtsfec.sys .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 85248
ccdecode.sys .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 17024
vbisurf.ax .... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 30208
msyuv.dll ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 16896
kstvtune.ax ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 61952
ksxbar.ax ..... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 43008
kswdmcap.ax ... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 91136
vfwwdm32.dll .. 5.01.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 53760
wstcodec.sys .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 19200
wstdecod.dll .. 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 50688
msdv.sys ...... 5.03.2600.5512 ... 4/13/2008 .... 51200



-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Oz,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
wrote:
>
> Monz, if my understanding is correct, different
> Direct X 9.0c versions arise from SDK updates occuring
> every 2-3 months. Do you or Chris not know which exact
> DirectX package works with Tonescape? It shouldn't be
> too difficult to look up the version number on your
> computer.


Sorry, didn't mean to help increase your exasperation.

Actually, yes, it's a simply matter to find out everything
there is to know about the DirectX installed on one's
machine ... assuming, that is, that Parallels on Mac
works exactly like regular Windows XP.

Simply click on the "start" button and click on the
"Run..." link on your start menu. It should be the last
entry on the right-hand side of the main menu. It will
open a small dialog box with a text-box entry area.
Type in "dxdiag" (without the quotes), then the "OK"
button, and that will open another larger dialog box
with several tabs.

On the first tab, at the bottom, your exact version
of DirectX will be listed. On the machine i'm typing
from right now, which runs Tonescape fine, my info is:
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

There's another tab which lists all of the DirectX Files.
If you click the "Save All Information..." button it
will save a text file of everything on this dialog box
(but it's not necessary -- you can just look at the info
by clicking the tab). Here is the complete list of
DirectX files on my machine:

(I've left out the "language" and "attributes" columns,
since they were all the same -- English and "Final Retail"
respectively -- in the interests of trying to keep each
entry on a single line. I also know that the Yahoo website
is going to make it look ugly, sorry)

------------------
DirectX Components
------------------
name          version        date               bytes
    ddraw.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 279552
  ddrawex.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 27136
    dxapi.sys: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 10496
     d3d8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 1179648
  d3d8thk.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 8192
     d3d9.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 1689088
    d3dim.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 436224
d3dim700.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 824320
  d3dramp.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 590336
    d3drm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 350208
   d3dxof.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 47616
d3dpmesh.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 34816
    dplay.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 33040
   dplayx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 229888
dpmodemx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 23552
  dpwsock.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 42768
dpwsockx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 57344
dplaysvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:17 29696
   dpnsvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:17 17920
    dpnet.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 375296
dpnlobby.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:09:20 3072
  dpnaddr.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:09:19 3072
  dpvoice.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 212480
dpvsetup.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:18 83456
   dpvvox.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 116736
   dpvacm.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 21504
dpnhpast.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 35328
dpnhupnp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 60928
dpserial.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 8/10/2004 12:00:00 53520
   dinput.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 158720
  dinput8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181760
    dimap.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 44032
diactfrm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 394240
      joy.cpl: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:41 68608
    gcdef.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 8/10/2004 12:00:00 76800
      pid.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:02 35328
   dsound.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 367616
dsound3d.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 1293824
   dswave.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 19456
    dsdmo.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181248
dsdmoprp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 71680
   dmusic.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 104448
   dmband.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 28672
dmcompos.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 61440
    dmime.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 181248
dmloader.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 35840
  dmstyle.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 105984
  dmsynth.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 103424
dmscript.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 82432
   system.dll: 1.00.3705.6060 6/2/2008 22:13:44 1179648
   system.dll: 1.01.4322.2407 7/19/2007 01:37:11 1232896
    dx7vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 619008
    dx8vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 1227264
  dxdiagn.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:52 2113536
    mfc40.dll: 4.01.0000.6140 8/10/2004 12:00:00 924432
    mfc42.dll: 6.02.4131.0000 4/13/2008 17:11:56 1028096
  wsock32.dll: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:10 22528
amstream.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:49 70656
  devenum.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:51 59904
   dxmasf.dll: 6.04.0009.1133 4/13/2008 17:11:52 498742
mciqtz32.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:56 35328
  mpg2splt.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 21:06:50 165376
    msdmo.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:59 14336
   encapi.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:53 20480
     qasf.dll: 11.00.5721.5145 10/18/2006 23:47:18 211456
     qcap.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 192512
      qdv.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 279040
     qdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 386048
    qedit.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:03 562176
qedwipes.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 10:21:32 733696
   quartz.dll: 6.05.2600.5596 5/6/2008 22:12:40 1288192
  strmdll.dll: 4.01.0000.3936 4/13/2008 17:12:07 246814
  iac25_32.ax: 2.00.0005.0053 4/13/2008 17:12:42 199680
   ir41_32.ax: 4.51.0016.0003 4/13/2008 17:12:42 848384
  ir41_qc.dll: 4.30.0062.0002 4/13/2008 17:11:55 120320
ir41_qcx.dll: 4.30.0064.0001 4/13/2008 17:11:55 338432
  ir50_32.dll: 5.2562.0015.0055 4/13/2008 17:11:55 755200
  ir50_qc.dll: 5.00.0063.0048 4/13/2008 17:11:55 200192
ir50_qcx.dll: 5.00.0064.0048 4/13/2008 17:11:55 183808
    ivfsrc.ax: 5.10.0002.0051 4/13/2008 17:12:42 154624
mswebdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:01 203776
       ks.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 12:16:36 141056
   ksproxy.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 129536
   ksuser.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:11:56 4096
   stream.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:45:15 49408
mspclock.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:50 5376
    mspqm.sys: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:51 4992
  mskssrv.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:52 7552
   swenum.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:53 4352
    mstee.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:39:50 5504
   msdvbnp.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 22:01:54 58368
psisdecd.dll: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:12:14 235008
  psisrndr.ax: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:12:30 224256
    ipsink.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 16384
mpeg2data.ax: 6.05.2710.2732 8/5/2005 22:01:54 62976
   ndisip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:22 10880
streamip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:21 15232
msvidctl.dll: 6.05.2715.3011 10/9/2006 17:15:52 1669632
     slip.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:23 11136
nabtsfec.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:25 85248
ccdecode.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:23 17024
   vbisurf.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 30208
    msyuv.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:01 16896
  kstvtune.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 61952
    ksxbar.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 43008
  kswdmcap.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:42 91136
vfwwdm32.dll: 5.01.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:08 53760
wstcodec.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:24 19200
wstdecod.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 17:12:10 50688
     msdv.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 4/13/2008 11:46:09 51200



-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Monz, if my understanding is correct, different Direct X 9.0c versions
arise from SDK updates occuring every 2-3 months. Do you or Chris not
know which exact DirectX package works with Tonescape? It shouldn't be
too difficult to look up the version number on your computer. Were you
not anxious for me to try Tonescape? You are not making this easy for
me at all. Here I am finally ready to try it, and you send me fishing
software on microhorror's junkyard webpage. The least you could do is
send me the link to the DirectX version that you yourself use. Without
your assistance, I will surely drop the whole matter in exasparation.

Oz.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 11:13 AM, monz wrote:

> Hi Oz,
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear monz,
>>
>> I have installed the Microsoft .net 1.1 service pack 1,
>> but still no luck. Where do I download Managed DirectX API
>> v.9.2 or above? And which exact version of DirectX do I need?
>> Can Chris help me?
>
>
> It's not so simple. If you read this blog and the comments
> which follow it, you'll get an idea of how f***ed-up this
> whole DirectX mess is:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000663.html
>
> Chris is very busy now and as i said, we are at the present
> time not able to officially offer tech support.
>
> It seems that the only way you can hope to get Tonescape
> working is to download and install every available version
> of "DirectX 9.0c" from the Microsoft website. Try fishing
> around here:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a\
-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en
>
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Oz,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear monz,
>
> I have installed the Microsoft .net 1.1 service pack 1,
> but still no luck. Where do I download Managed DirectX API
> v.9.2 or above? And which exact version of DirectX do I need?
> Can Chris help me?


It's not so simple. If you read this blog and the comments
which follow it, you'll get an idea of how f***ed-up this
whole DirectX mess is:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000663.html

Chris is very busy now and as i said, we are at the present
time not able to officially offer tech support.

It seems that the only way you can hope to get Tonescape
working is to download and install every available version
of "DirectX 9.0c" from the Microsoft website. Try fishing
around here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a\
-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en



-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Thank you for all this information monz. It appears that the problem
is related to the MDX and the correct DirectX version. I believe I am
close to making Tonescape work. I just need the two components above.

Oz.

On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:19 AM, monz wrote:

> Hi Oz,
>
> A few more comments ...
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
>> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman
>> <ozanyarman@> wrote:
>
>>> My Guest OS is Windows XP 2002 Service Pack 3. I even
>>> enabled DirectX shaders for Parallels Desktop VM.
>>
>> You're doing all the right stuff there.
>>
>>
>>> If only we had a clue what is lacking to make Tonescape
>>> work... I am currently migrating everything else from my
>>> old computer to my Mac. Nothing has caused any problem
>>> so far. All the other programs that worked in Windows ME
>>> work under the guest OS on my Mac smoothly. Since installing
>>> the two components above improved the situation, we seem
>>> to be on the right track.
>
>
> Please be aware that Windows ME and Windows XP are
> vastly different operating systems.
>
> Microsoft originally created Windows as an application
> that ran on top of DOS. With Windows 95 things changed
> a bit: the user could still boot into DOS if needed,
> but the OS was designed to boot directly into Windows,
> and most users of Windows 95/98/ME never used DOS at all.
> Members of the DOS-based Windows family, in chronological
> order, were:
>
> 1985 Windows 1.0 (the very first Microsoft Windows)
> 1987 Windows 2.0
> 1992 Windows 3.1
> 1995 Windows 95 (i.e., 4.0)
> 1998 Windows 98 (i.e., 4.1)
> 2000 Windows ME (i.e., 4.9)
>
> see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_9x
>
>
> The NT family uses an entirely different kernel, and
> was a fork off of Microsoft's work with IBM on OS/2,
> which it was hoping would supplant DOS. Important
> members of the NT family are:
>
> 1993 Windows NT 3.1 (the original NT OS)
> 1996 Windows NT 4.0
> 2000 Windows 2000 (i.e., NT 5.0)
> 2001 Windows XP (i.e., NT 5.1)
> 2007 Windows Vista (i.e., NT 6.0)
>
> Microsoft used version number 3.1 for the original NT
> to match it with the contemporary DOS-based Windows 3.1.
>
> As you can see from the version number 5.0, Windows 2000
> was the real successor to Windows 98 -- Microsoft
> never intended to release another DOS-based Windows
> after 98, and ME was only a sort of temporary fill-in.
> Many users (including me) never thought it was very good.
>
> Windows 2000 was intended for the business community,
> and XP was the version of NT designed for home use.
> It has proved to be wildly successful, and in fact
> is still much more widely used than Vista.
>
> see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_nt
>
>
>> Actually, i'm currently in the process of negotiating
>> to convince him to change some aspects of the Lattice
>> display so that Tonescape will work on lower-spec hardware,
>> so that even if it won't look so good, at least it will work.
>
> What i really intend to do here is to incorporate some
> other optional video modes, which require lesser hardware.
> We designed Tonescape to look really good, and it seems
> that it is that which is causing all of the problems.
>
>
> As i said before, the problems are almost always due
> to incompatible versions of DirectX. DirectX 9.0c
> is the one you need, but there are other minor
> version numbers after that, and if you don't have
> exactly the one we had when we created Tonescape,
> it won't work. I do intend to do something about this,
> but for now, that's the situation.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>

Dear monz,

I have installed the Microsoft .net 1.1 service pack 1, but still no
luck. Where do I download Managed DirectX API v.9.2 or above? And
which exact version of DirectX do I need? Can Chris help me?

Cordially,
Oz.

On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:49 PM, monz wrote:

> Hi Oz,
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman
> <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear monz,
>>
>> After installing DirectX 9.0c and .Net Framework 1.1,
>> I can see a lattice window when trying to start Tonescape,
>> but the program still gives an error afterwards and crashes.
>> Something is missing, but what?
>
>
> OK, it's good that at least you got this far!
> Actually, most of the times that i've installed Tonescape
> for other people (mainly my students) this is exactly
> what happened. Unfortunately, i've never gotten past it.
>
> As i said, we are currently unable to offer real support
> (because Tonalsoft is only two people, me and Chris, and
> we're both busy earning a living).
>
>
>> I think my Macbook Pro's video card is terrific.
>> It is a NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT PCIe card with 512 MB
>> of VRAM.
>
> I think that's pretty close to the video card that i
> have in my Windows-2000 machine. Tonescape runs fine
> for me on that computer.
>
>
>> My Guest OS is Windows XP 2002 Service Pack 3. I even
>> enabled DirectX shaders for Parallels Desktop VM.
>
> You're doing all the right stuff there.
>
>
>> If only we had a clue what is lacking to make Tonescape
>> work... I am currently migrating everything else from my
>> old computer to my Mac. Nothing has caused any problem
>> so far. All the other programs that worked in Windows ME
>> work under the guest OS on my Mac smoothly. Since installing
>> the two components above improved the situation, we seem
>> to be on the right track. I shouldn't be required to
>> use another laptop for Tonescape if we can just isolate
>> the problem.
>
> Yes, you're right. If you've gotten this far, then we
> should be able to get Tonescape working on this machine.
> The problem now is that i can't help you any further.
> It's up to Chris, because he's the one who knows the
> details of the code for the hardware drivers.
>
> Actually, i'm currently in the process of negotiating
> to convince him to change some aspects of the Lattice
> display so that Tonescape will work on lower-spec hardware,
> so that even if it won't look so good, at least it will work.
>
>
>> Can you give a list of all the hardware and software
>> requirements to assure smooth running of Tonescape on
>> your system? Maybe we can locate the crucial element
>> that Tonescape needs to work.
>
>
> Harware requirements:
> http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/knowledge.aspx
>
> Installation notes:
> http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/install.aspx
>
> Other related info:
> http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/release-notes.aspx
>
> PLEASE NOTE: Some of the information on the install and
> release-notes pages is outdated -- for example, you no
> longer need to enter an activation code for Tonescape.
> These pages seriously require some attention from me,
> sorry about that.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>

Hi Oz,

A few more comments ...


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:

> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman
> <ozanyarman@> wrote:

> > My Guest OS is Windows XP 2002 Service Pack 3. I even
> > enabled DirectX shaders for Parallels Desktop VM.
>
> You're doing all the right stuff there.
>
>
> > If only we had a clue what is lacking to make Tonescape
> > work... I am currently migrating everything else from my
> > old computer to my Mac. Nothing has caused any problem
> > so far. All the other programs that worked in Windows ME
> > work under the guest OS on my Mac smoothly. Since installing
> > the two components above improved the situation, we seem
> > to be on the right track.


Please be aware that Windows ME and Windows XP are
vastly different operating systems.

Microsoft originally created Windows as an application
that ran on top of DOS. With Windows 95 things changed
a bit: the user could still boot into DOS if needed,
but the OS was designed to boot directly into Windows,
and most users of Windows 95/98/ME never used DOS at all.
Members of the DOS-based Windows family, in chronological
order, were:

1985 Windows 1.0 (the very first Microsoft Windows)
1987 Windows 2.0
1992 Windows 3.1
1995 Windows 95 (i.e., 4.0)
1998 Windows 98 (i.e., 4.1)
2000 Windows ME (i.e., 4.9)

see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_9x


The NT family uses an entirely different kernel, and
was a fork off of Microsoft's work with IBM on OS/2,
which it was hoping would supplant DOS. Important
members of the NT family are:

1993 Windows NT 3.1 (the original NT OS)
1996 Windows NT 4.0
2000 Windows 2000 (i.e., NT 5.0)
2001 Windows XP (i.e., NT 5.1)
2007 Windows Vista (i.e., NT 6.0)

Microsoft used version number 3.1 for the original NT
to match it with the contemporary DOS-based Windows 3.1.

As you can see from the version number 5.0, Windows 2000
was the real successor to Windows 98 -- Microsoft
never intended to release another DOS-based Windows
after 98, and ME was only a sort of temporary fill-in.
Many users (including me) never thought it was very good.

Windows 2000 was intended for the business community,
and XP was the version of NT designed for home use.
It has proved to be wildly successful, and in fact
is still much more widely used than Vista.

see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_nt


> Actually, i'm currently in the process of negotiating
> to convince him to change some aspects of the Lattice
> display so that Tonescape will work on lower-spec hardware,
> so that even if it won't look so good, at least it will work.

What i really intend to do here is to incorporate some
other optional video modes, which require lesser hardware.
We designed Tonescape to look really good, and it seems
that it is that which is causing all of the problems.


As i said before, the problems are almost always due
to incompatible versions of DirectX. DirectX 9.0c
is the one you need, but there are other minor
version numbers after that, and if you don't have
exactly the one we had when we created Tonescape,
it won't work. I do intend to do something about this,
but for now, that's the situation.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Oz,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman
<ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear monz,
>
> After installing DirectX 9.0c and .Net Framework 1.1,
> I can see a lattice window when trying to start Tonescape,
> but the program still gives an error afterwards and crashes.
> Something is missing, but what?


OK, it's good that at least you got this far!
Actually, most of the times that i've installed Tonescape
for other people (mainly my students) this is exactly
what happened. Unfortunately, i've never gotten past it.

As i said, we are currently unable to offer real support
(because Tonalsoft is only two people, me and Chris, and
we're both busy earning a living).


> I think my Macbook Pro's video card is terrific.
> It is a NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT PCIe card with 512 MB
> of VRAM.

I think that's pretty close to the video card that i
have in my Windows-2000 machine. Tonescape runs fine
for me on that computer.


> My Guest OS is Windows XP 2002 Service Pack 3. I even
> enabled DirectX shaders for Parallels Desktop VM.

You're doing all the right stuff there.


> If only we had a clue what is lacking to make Tonescape
> work... I am currently migrating everything else from my
> old computer to my Mac. Nothing has caused any problem
> so far. All the other programs that worked in Windows ME
> work under the guest OS on my Mac smoothly. Since installing
> the two components above improved the situation, we seem
> to be on the right track. I shouldn't be required to
> use another laptop for Tonescape if we can just isolate
> the problem.

Yes, you're right. If you've gotten this far, then we
should be able to get Tonescape working on this machine.
The problem now is that i can't help you any further.
It's up to Chris, because he's the one who knows the
details of the code for the hardware drivers.

Actually, i'm currently in the process of negotiating
to convince him to change some aspects of the Lattice
display so that Tonescape will work on lower-spec hardware,
so that even if it won't look so good, at least it will work.


> Can you give a list of all the hardware and software
> requirements to assure smooth running of Tonescape on
> your system? Maybe we can locate the crucial element
> that Tonescape needs to work.


Harware requirements:
http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/knowledge.aspx

Installation notes:
http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/install.aspx

Other related info:
http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/release-notes.aspx

PLEASE NOTE: Some of the information on the install and
release-notes pages is outdated -- for example, you no
longer need to enter an activation code for Tonescape.
These pages seriously require some attention from me,
sorry about that.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Dear monz,

After installing DirectX 9.0c and .Net Framework 1.1, I can see a
lattice window when trying to start Tonescape, but the program still
gives an error afterwards and crashes. Something is missing, but what?

I think my Macbook Pro's video card is terrific. It is a NVIDIA
GeForce 8600 GT PCIe card with 512 MB of VRAM. My Guest OS is Windows
XP 2002 Service Pack 3. I even enabled DirectX shaders for Parallels
Desktop VM. If only we had a clue what is lacking to make Tonescape
work... I am currently migrating everything else from my old computer
to my Mac. Nothing has caused any problem so far. All the other
programs that worked in Windows ME work under the guest OS on my Mac
smoothly. Since installing the two components above improved the
situation, we seem to be on the right track. I shouldn't be required
to use another laptop for Tonescape if we can just isolate the problem.

Can you give a list of all the hardware and software requirements to
assure smooth running of Tonescape on your system? Maybe we can locate
the crucial element that Tonescape needs to work.

Oz.



On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:32 PM, monz wrote:

> Hi Oz,
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I own a Macbook Pro with Parallels Desktop installed. This
>> allows me to run Windows XP simultaneously with Mac OS X.
>> I downloaded and installed Tonescape from the Win XP window,
>> but the program crashes everytime I execute it. I don't know
>> what the problem is. Can anyone help?
>>
>> Oz.
>
>
> We have never tested Tonescape on any kind of Mac, however,
> i have tried to install Tonescape onto several different
> virtual machines and have never had any success. It seems
> to be too tightly tied in to the necessary Microsoft technology
> to allow it to work under a virtual environment ... at least
> with current hardware availability.
>
> I have Tonescape running fine on a desktop Windows XP machine.
> Trying to install it to a virtual Windows XP running on
> top of that didn't work. On the same computer, i also tried
> installing it under Wine in a virtual Ubuntu Linux, and that
> also didn't work.
>
> I also have Tonescape running beautifully on Windows Vista SP1
> laptop. Trying to install it to a virtual Windows XP running
> on top of that machine also didn't work.
>
> You should note that many people have had problems even
> trying to install it directly onto a real Windows XP or
> Vista machine, and those are the only two operating systems
> on which it *will* work.
>
> I don't know why so many people have problems with it,
> because it's always worked fine on any computer i have
> which has the required hardware. You *do* need to have
> a good video card, .Net Framework 1.1, and DirectX 9.0c.
>
> The biggest problems come from Microsoft constantly
> changing DirectX and not keeping it entirely compatible
> with previous versions. Even if you have 9.0c, it may
> not be the exact version number needed to run Tonescape.
>
> Unfortunately the project has been dormant since 2006 and
> we are presently unable to offer tech support. We do plan
> to, at some point, port the graphics engine over to OpenGL,
> to avoid the DirectX problems.
>
> In some cases it will install just fine, but if your
> video card is not good enough, there will be a warning
> during installation that "Your video card may cause
> the program to run slowly" (or something to that effect),
> and in fact what will happen is the program will run OK
> except that it will not display the Lattice -- the Lattice
> window will be completely blank. Of course, the Lattice
> is the whole point of Tonescape. But at least you will
> have the Pitch-Height (i.e., score) window working OK,
> and playing the piece will give both the audio, and the
> video updating of the Pitch-Height window.
>
> My advice, if you really want to use Tonescape, is to
> use a real XP or Vista machine with all of the Microsoft
> updates installed.
>
> I just purchased my super-hot Vista laptop brand-new
> about a month ago for only US $600. So the price of
> the necessary hardware is coming way down. In this
> country (USA) you can get a capable Windows XP laptop
> for around $150-200.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Oz,

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
wrote:
>
> I own a Macbook Pro with Parallels Desktop installed. This
> allows me to run Windows XP simultaneously with Mac OS X.
> I downloaded and installed Tonescape from the Win XP window,
> but the program crashes everytime I execute it. I don't know
> what the problem is. Can anyone help?
>
> Oz.


We have never tested Tonescape on any kind of Mac, however,
i have tried to install Tonescape onto several different
virtual machines and have never had any success. It seems
to be too tightly tied in to the necessary Microsoft technology
to allow it to work under a virtual environment ... at least
with current hardware availability.

I have Tonescape running fine on a desktop Windows XP machine.
Trying to install it to a virtual Windows XP running on
top of that didn't work. On the same computer, i also tried
installing it under Wine in a virtual Ubuntu Linux, and that
also didn't work.

I also have Tonescape running beautifully on Windows Vista SP1
laptop. Trying to install it to a virtual Windows XP running
on top of that machine also didn't work.

You should note that many people have had problems even
trying to install it directly onto a real Windows XP or
Vista machine, and those are the only two operating systems
on which it *will* work.

I don't know why so many people have problems with it,
because it's always worked fine on any computer i have
which has the required hardware. You *do* need to have
a good video card, .Net Framework 1.1, and DirectX 9.0c.

The biggest problems come from Microsoft constantly
changing DirectX and not keeping it entirely compatible
with previous versions. Even if you have 9.0c, it may
not be the exact version number needed to run Tonescape.

Unfortunately the project has been dormant since 2006 and
we are presently unable to offer tech support. We do plan
to, at some point, port the graphics engine over to OpenGL,
to avoid the DirectX problems.

In some cases it will install just fine, but if your
video card is not good enough, there will be a warning
during installation that "Your video card may cause
the program to run slowly" (or something to that effect),
and in fact what will happen is the program will run OK
except that it will not display the Lattice -- the Lattice
window will be completely blank. Of course, the Lattice
is the whole point of Tonescape. But at least you will
have the Pitch-Height (i.e., score) window working OK,
and playing the piece will give both the audio, and the
video updating of the Pitch-Height window.

My advice, if you really want to use Tonescape, is to
use a real XP or Vista machine with all of the Microsoft
updates installed.

I just purchased my super-hot Vista laptop brand-new
about a month ago for only US $600. So the price of
the necessary hardware is coming way down. In this
country (USA) you can get a capable Windows XP laptop
for around $150-200.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

I own a Macbook Pro with Parallels Desktop installed. This allows me
to run Windows XP simultaneously with Mac OS X. I downloaded and
installed Tonescape from the Win XP window, but the program crashes
everytime I execute it. I don't know what the problem is. Can anyone
help?

Oz.

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Hi I'm new in all this matter of Just Intonation, I've been studying it
for a couple of weeks only. I just found Tonalsoft yesterday. I
installed it, but I can't hear anything when I play the sample files.
The installation went good, do I need to set up anything else???
Thanks

Hi Alessandro,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "chiodo1975999"
<chiodo1975999@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I (re?)did the installations you adviced me.
> Then, I reinstalled Tonescape from scratch.
>
> I still get error messages. First during the installation
> I get the message: "Your video adapter may cause the
> application to run slowly". Then, i get plenty of error
> messages and Tonescape crashes due to DirectX related issues...
>
> Thanks for helping me, I really would like to use Tonescape.
> I read something about the incompatibility with Dell
> video cards...


I'm sorry that you're still having problems.

Unfortunately, several people who have tried Tonescape
have reported problems with DirectX. The problem there
is that Microsoft keeps changing it, and newer versions
are not always totally backwards-compatible with
older versions. We are currently hoping to get some
help from programmers to help us port the graphics engine
from DirectX to OpenGL.

The other problem you report is also unfortunately
rather common. Tonescape relies on very advanced 3-D
graphics, and if your video card isn't up to the task
you'll have trouble. I myself cannot run Tonescape on
my laptop because the video card is too outdated and/or
not powerful enough.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Thanks for your reply.

I (re?)did the installations you adviced me.
Then, I reinstalled Tonescape from scratch.

I still get error messages. First during the installation I get the
message:
"Your video adapter may cause the application to run slowly"
Then, i get plenty of error messages and Tonescape crashes due to
DirectX related issues...

Thanks for helping me, I really would like to use Tonescape. I read
something about the incompatibility with Dell video cards...

Alessandro

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "chiodo1975999"
<chiodo1975999@...> wrote:
>
> After a successful installation Tonescape crashes
> continuously and says it is unable to properly initialize
> DirectX. Any help?


It would be useful for you to read this too:

http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/knowledge.aspx


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "chiodo1975999"
<chiodo1975999@...> wrote:
>
> After a successful installation Tonescape crashes
> continuously and says it is unable to properly initialize
> DirectX. Any help?


Your system needs to have Windows updates installed as
of the date of the Den Haag release, which was January 28
of this year. You need to be using IE as your browser,
and go to

http://www.update.microsoft.com/


There are additional installation notes on our website,

http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/install.aspx

However, note that the information pertaining to activation
is now out-of-date, as the Den Haag version has been released
to the public fully activated.


I quote this from that webpage:

>> VERY IMPORTANT! After the installation is complete,
>> before running Tonescape® for the first time, be certain
>> that you have Microsoft .Net 1.1 Service Pack 1 installed.
>> Tonescape® will generate various errors if Service Pack 1
>> is not installed. You can install Service Pack 1 by using
>> the Windows Update command that's built right into the
>> Windows start menu. When running Windows Update, ensure
>> that you have selected the .Net 1.1 Service Pack 1 to be
>> installed.


After making sure that your Windows XP is fully updated,
try Tonescape again and let us know if there are still
problems.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

After a successful installation Tonescape crashes continuously and says
it is unable to properly initialize DirectX. Any help?

Hello all,


I've made an interesting Tonescape file for one of my students
(he's learning the piece on the piano): an arrangement of the
March from Prokofiev's "Love for 3 Oranges".

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tonescape_denhaag/files/pieces/prokofiev_love\
-for-3-oranges_march_699.99-ct-mt.tonescape


What makes it interesting is that i tuned it in a 31-tone
meantone whose generator-5th is 699.99 cents, so that it is
essentially a type of torsional 12-edo which allows all 31
common spellings in the meantone chain from Gbb to Ax,
and puts them all on the Lattice.

I suspect that for piano pieces of the "common-practice"
period and the 20th-century, i'll probably be using this
torsional 12-edo so that i can preserve the composer's
original spellings from now on, instead of true 12-edo.


Enjoy!


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> >
> > Out of 4 pc's I've tried, the lattice display only works
> > on one, and gives an application error on the rest.  The
> > other 3 install successfully but give that warning about
> > the graphics being slow.  I guess they don't support the
> > 'vertex shaders 2.0' from the requirement page?
> >
> > The video card that worked is a 'Radeon X1300 Series'
> > (from an hp pc).
> >
> > One of the video cards that didn't work is an 'Intel(R)
> > 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller' (on a dell pc).
> > My old 'ATI All in Wonder Radeon' didn't work either
> > (custom amd pc).

I finally got around to installing SP 2 on my old desktop system,
after clearing off some space, so I tried installing Tonescape to see
what would happen. I also get the warning about the graphics being
slow, and the lattice window doesn't show up. I have an Nvidia
GeForce2 MX. I used the Windows hardware wizard to look for updated
device drivers and installed them -- I probably should have gone
directly to Nvidia's web site and get the drivers from there but I'll
try that next. The Nvidia driver version is 6.14.10.4523.

Herman Miller

> Thanks for reporting this in such detail.
>
> One of the biggest problems we had during the test phase
> of development was in dealing with the limitations of
> video cards.
>
> I'm glad that it works for you at least on one of your
> computers. Getting a lot of feedback like this will
> really help us deal with the video problem.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>

Hi Herman,

--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
wrote:

> Another one of these bug temperament sketches that I have
> (in a similarly early state of development) has a
> meter of 4 + 2/3 beats per measure!


Hmmm ... that's *very* much like a piece i started composing
a few weeks ago: a swing/bebop jazz piece in 13-edo. I set
up the Time Signature in Tonescape as "11/8: 3+3+3+2 as 6+5",
but my idea of how it feels is really a swing 4/4 which is
missing the final swing-8th, so that would make it 3+(2/3) / 4.



> > However, if you (or anyone else) desires to use a particular
> > Time Signature which is not in Tonescape's built-in list,
> > simply let me know and i'll be able to set up a file for you
> > with that Time Signature included.
>
> It wouldn't be worth the trouble for a rhythmic pattern that
> I'll probably only use once. But if you had some kind of
> hand-editable file for these (something that could be edited
> in Notepad), even if you don't have a nice GUI for editing
> them inside Tonescape, I'd probably get some use out of it.


As long as i can use my spreadsheet, it's really not that
hard to set a Tonescape Time Signature. My idea was that
since we plan to eventually incorporate a real Time Signature
Editor, it made sense to put in the mental effort to figure
out the algorithm in my spreadsheet, and the added benefit
is that even before we get the Editor in there, it's fairly
easy for me to calculate any Time Signature accent pattern
that i can dream up.

Actually, the last work i did on Time Signatures before they
were implemented into Tonescape was quite systematic: i was
calculating every possible combination of accents for each
numerator ... but i only accomplished that for numerators
2 thru 11; after 11 i only put in ones that i had used in
compositions myself.


> I just thought it was a pretty cool feature already to
> have built-in preset rhythmic patterns more than just
> quantizing to the nearest 16th note (as in a typical
> MIDI editor).


It's something that i've been wanting in a MIDI sequencer
for a long, long time ... along with easy input of microtonal
tunings, of course!

I might as well say it now: my goal in creating Tonescape
all along has been simply for *me* to have the music
composition software with all the bells and whistles
that *i* always wanted! And naturally, that makes it so
good that others are going to like it too. ;-)



-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

monz wrote:
> Hi Herman,
>
>
> --- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
> wrote:
>
>> monz wrote:
>>
>>> * Time Signature (the default is "4/4 Rock"). We have
>>> included a large number of different Time Signatures in
>>> a drop-down list, with accent patterns utilizing volume
>>> and tempo changes already built in.
>> Nice! Will these be programmable? Could I set up a
>> repeating pattern with 2 bars of 7 against 5 followed by
>> one bar of 11 against 8? :-)
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/bug9.mp3
>
>
> I'm pretty good at hearing complex meters, and can hear
> the 7+7+11 in this in this short piece (which i really
> like BTW -- sounds to me kind of like a steel-drum band
> which got drunk *and* took speed! ;-) ). By "against",
> do you mean some sort of tuplet configuration?

Essentially one percussionist playing in 7+7+11 while another one plays
a different rhythm in 5+5+8 (with very slight changes in tempo so that
they both start at the same time). Another one of these bug temperament
sketches that I have (in a similarly early state of development) has a
meter of 4 + 2/3 beats per measure!

> However, if you (or anyone else) desires to use a particular
> Time Signature which is not in Tonescape's built-in list,
> simply let me know and i'll be able to set up a file for you
> with that Time Signature included.

It wouldn't be worth the trouble for a rhythmic pattern that I'll
probably only use once. But if you had some kind of hand-editable file
for these (something that could be edited in Notepad), even if you don't
have a nice GUI for editing them inside Tonescape, I'd probably get some
use out of it. I just thought it was a pretty cool feature already to
have built-in preset rhythmic patterns more than just quantizing to the
nearest 16th note (as in a typical MIDI editor).

Hi Herman,


--- In tonescape_denhaag@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
wrote:

> monz wrote:
>
> > * Time Signature (the default is "4/4 Rock"). We have
> > included a large number of different Time Signatures in
> > a drop-down list, with accent patterns utilizing volume
> > and tempo changes already built in.
>
> Nice! Will these be programmable? Could I set up a
> repeating pattern with 2 bars of 7 against 5 followed by
> one bar of 11 against 8? :-)
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/bug9.mp3


I'm pretty good at hearing complex meters, and can hear
the 7+7+11 in this in this short piece (which i really
like BTW -- sounds to me kind of like a steel-drum band
which got drunk *and* took speed! ;-) ). By "against",
do you mean some sort of tuplet configuration?

Anyway, our plan for Tonescape eventually is to have a
Time Signature editor dialog-box, which will allow you
to construct any kind of metrical pattern you want.
But with development stalled as it is right now, that's
certainly a long way off.

For now, we've simply supplied a long list of time-signatures:
(as usual with Windows, the ones from 10 to 19 should come
after 9 but instead are "alphabetized" to come after "1")

1: Neutral
10: 2+2+3+3 as 4+6
10: 2+3+2+3 as 5+5
10: 2+3+3+2 as 5+5
10: 3+2+2+3 as 7+3
10: 3+2+3+2 as 5+5
10: 3+3+2+2 as 6+4, Mission Impossible
10: Neutral
11: 2+2+2+2+3 as 6+5
11: 2+2+2+2+3 as 8+3
11: 2+2+2+3+2 as 4+7
11: 2+2+2+3+2 as 6+5
11: 2+2+3+2+2 as 4+7
11: 2+2+3+2+2 as 7+4
11: 2+3+2+2+2 as 5+6
11: 2+3+2+2+2 as 7+4
11: 2+3+3+3 as 5+6
11: 2+3+3+3 as 8+3
11: 3+2+2+2+2 as 3+8
11: 3+2+2+2+2 as 5+6
11: 3+2+2+2+2 as 7+4
11: 3+2+3+3 as 5+6
11: 3+2+3+3 as 8+3
11: 3+3+2+3 as 6+5
11: 3+3+2+3 as 8+3
11: 3+3+3+2 as 6+5
11: 3+3+3+2 as 9+2
11: Neutral
12: 3+3+3+3, Standard
12: Neutral
13: 3+2+2+3+3 as 7+6
13: 3+3+3+2+2 as 6+7
13: 3+3+3+2+2 as 9+4
13: Neutral
14: 4+3+3+4, Monzo - Bulgaria Unlimited
14: Neutral
15: 3*5 as 6+9
15: 3*5 as 9+6
15: Neutral
16: 3+3+4+2+4, Bo Diddley
16: 3+3+6+4, Mellow Bo Diddley
16: Neutral
17: 8+9
17: 9+8
17: Neutral
18: 8+4+6
18: Neutral
19: (4*4)+3
19: Neutral
2: Heavy 1
2: Neutral
3: Heavy 1
3: Neutral
3: Viennese Waltz
4: Funeral March
4: Heavy 1
4: Neutral
4: Rock
5: 2+3
5: 3+2
5: Neutral
6: 2+2+2, 3-beat
6: 3+3, Standard
6: Neutral
7: 2+3+2
7: 3+4
7: 4+3
7: Neutral
8: 2+3+3
8: 3+2+3
8: 3+3+2, half Bo Diddley
8: Neutral
9: 2+2+2+3 as 6+3, Brubeck
9: 2+2+3+2 as 4+5
9: 2+3+2+2 as 5+4
9: 3+2+2+2 as 5+4
9: 3+3+3 Standard
9: Neutral


Even this is a far from exhaustive list, but it does
provide a good selection of built-in accent patterns,
especially considering how many users will probably
stick with "4: Rock", "4: Heavy 1", "6: 3+3 Standard",
etc. But i personally happen to really like crazy meters.
:-P


> I'd like to finish this someday, but the rhythms are so
> tedious to set up by hand. (I actually used the Event List
> and a pocket calculator...)
> But I don't suppose many composers will want to use this
> particular rhythm....

I actually created an Excel spreadsheet to figure out
the tempo and volume changes needed for these accent
patterns. Since the spreadsheet is already set up, it
would be easy to continue making the list longer ... but
as i said, it's not likely that the Time Signature features
of Tonescape are going to be updated any time soon.

However, if you (or anyone else) desires to use a particular
Time Signature which is not in Tonescape's built-in list,
simply let me know and i'll be able to set up a file for you
with that Time Signature included.


-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

monz wrote:

> * Time Signature (the default is "4/4 Rock"). We have
> included a large number of different Time Signatures in
> a drop-down list, with accent patterns utilizing volume
> and tempo changes already built in.

Nice! Will these be programmable? Could I set up a repeating pattern
with 2 bars of 7 against 5 followed by one bar of 11 against 8? :-)

http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/bug9.mp3

I'd like to finish this someday, but the rhythms are so tedious to set
up by hand. (I actually used the Event List and a pocket calculator...)
But I don't suppose many composers will want to use this particular
rhythm....