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Re: 3rd-best 11-limit temperament

--- In tuning-math@y..., genewardsmith@j... wrote:

> One thing you might note about it is that it is the 22-31 linear
> temperament, with tunings calculated by Graham's minimax condition.
> If we set B = 2^(0.2259478...), then his basis is 2^r B^s; we could
> also have a basis U = 2^5 B^(-22), V = 2^(-7) B^31 and in this
basis
> we approximate rational numbers q in the 11-limit by
> U^h31(q) V^h22(q).

Another thing to note is how easy it is to find the generators and
MOS scales if you don't proceed all the way down to the PB. In the
22-31 case, we have a continued fraction [1,2,2,4] for 31/22; the
penultimate convergent is 7/5, and our generator is U^7 V^5. For the
41-31 temperament, we have a continued fraction [1, 3, 10], which
leads to a penultimate continued fraction 4/3, and a generator
W^4 X^3 which is the miracle generator; here W and X are to be
selected by some optimality condition, such as minimax or least
squares on a tonality diamond (if I have the jargon right.)

This is easy enough that I've been meaning to suggest that Manuel
consider putting into Scala a routine to calculate Gen(m, n, p) and
Mos(n,m,p) for two ets m and n and a prime limit p; in case m and n
are not relatively prime this needs to be adjusted by working inside
of the interval of repetition. Of course one can also think of this
in terms of the ets generated by linear combinations of hm and hn, as
for instance h53 = h22 + h31 and h72 = h31 + h41.




Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:18 am

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While the top two temperaments in Graham's 11-limit list are essentially 31-out-of-72 and 46-out-of-72, the third one has the lowest complexity measure of all...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 4, 2001
7:01 pm

... One thing you might note about it is that it is the 22-31 linear temperament, with tunings calculated by Graham's minimax condition. If we set B =...
genewardsmith@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
5:04 am

... basis ... Another thing to note is how easy it is to find the generators and MOS scales if you don't proceed all the way down to the PB. In the 22-31 case,...
genewardsmith@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
6:18 am

... condition. ... could ... the ... Well, that's Graham's way of putting it . . . Anyway, the rest of this stuff looks wonderful, but needs to be presented in...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 5, 2001
6:51 pm

... If you wrote such a paper in the next ... Thanks for the suggestion; I've been meaning to ask about how much of this stuff you think is publishable and how...
genewardsmith@... Send Email Oct 6, 2001
1:15 am

In-Reply-To: <9pjjc9+5lu5@eGroups.com> ... That's roughly what my Python module does, and Manuel's welcome to take that code as inspiration....
graham@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
11:25 am

In-Reply-To: <9pibm5+jcmt@eGroups.com> ... This originally came out of Dave Keenan's spreadsheet. Note that it's compatible because the period is an octave....
graham@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
11:25 am

... error ... ET ... 24? What about the 22-tone MOS? ... OK....
Paul Erlich
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Oct 5, 2001
6:46 pm

... The number of otonal (or utonal) complete chords is always the number of notes in the scale minus the complexity measure. So 24 notes gives you 2 ...
graham@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
8:05 pm

... number of ... you 2 ... follows ... So 22-out-of-46 MOS gives you no hexads? That's odd, since the 22-out- of-46 omnitetrachordal scale (which is very...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 5, 2001
8:20 pm

... What's limit11.mos?...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 5, 2001
7:16 pm

... It's one of a series of files on my website that use the smallest MOS as the complexity measure in the figure of demerit. Check back through this forum...
graham@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
8:33 pm

... claimed ... still like ... There are such things as lattice basis reduction algorithms, but this isn't even a lattice basis. ... error ... ET ... It seems...
genewardsmith@... Send Email Oct 6, 2001
5:11 am

... and ... I don't know. Graham got the right generator for the system I meant. Does that mean you're wrong, Gene? I don't know. I do find it interesting that...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 6, 2001
6:15 am

... This is the system generated from the consistent mappings of 46- and 22-equal. There's also a system consistent with 46 -and 58-equal which I called...
graham@... Send Email Oct 6, 2001
4:08 pm

... Are you sure? This is the shrutar system, which you once said was not consistent with 22-equal. So maybe Gene was right?...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 6, 2001
9:14 pm

... not consistent with 22-equal. ... The two systems are very different melodically. The diaschismic shruti scale in 46-equal looks like: 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1...
Graham Breed
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Oct 8, 2001
11:35 am

... I meant the latter. ... that's ... Right, but this is a 7- and 11-limit adaptation of the sruti idea, keeping only the named 12 notes in their "canonical"...
Paul Erlich
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Oct 8, 2001
9:15 pm

... It would be a good addition, however it's quite a big piece of code. So probably I'd be quicker to rethink the algorithm myself. I already have the code...
manuel.op.de.coul@... Send Email Oct 5, 2001
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