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Re: More temperaments (from Tuning List)   Message List  
Reply Message #118 of 20696 |
CS (was: Re: Temperament program issues)

> Thanks Carl. But the above definition means that I can make an
> infinitesimal change to the generator (in either direction) and the
> scale suddenly becomes CS. Not a very useful scale property. Or not
> a very useful definition of it.

Hate to say it Dave, but I don't think CS is that useful a property
anyway. Or, maybe I should say, I can almost hear Wilson crying
out, 'Of course! It's only a guide, an idea. Why would you expect
it to be so precise?'.

> Anyone want to propose a better definition? One that doesn't have
> this defect.

A treatment along the lines of what I did for propriety and
stability would be one approach. But by that time, I'd just be
using those measures anyway.

Now, Erlich's consonant constant structures I can live with.
One could imagine...

1. Listing the target consonances. Say, for easy of what follows,
there is only one target consonance.

2. In h.e. fashion, find for each interval in the scale the
probability it will be heard as the target interval.

3. Sum these probabilities for each scale degree.

4. Subtract from the largest sum all the other sums. Or maybe
take the difference between the two largest sums. Or maybe the
difference between the largest sum and the mean sum. Or something
like that.

...hmmm... if one insisted on normal CS and not consonant CS (CCS?),
he might use the statistical approach above, but include all the
intervals in the scale in #1, and use all the intervals instead
of a farey series in #2 (and midpoints between these instead of
mediants).

-Carl




Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:04 am

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... Ok. Monz, you might want to delete that bit from your dictionary. ... Thanks Carl. But the above definition means that I can make an infinitesimal change...
Dave Keenan
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Jun 2, 2001
7:22 am

... Hate to say it Dave, but I don't think CS is that useful a property anyway. Or, maybe I should say, I can almost hear Wilson crying out, 'Of course! It's...
carl@... Send Email Jun 3, 2001
4:04 am

... Actually, Dave, if you're only interested in CS, I think you can just use the size of L/s. The stuff I gave in my last message is good for any scale (not...
carl@... Send Email Jun 3, 2001
4:21 am

In-Reply-To: <9f8ggf+60hs@eGroups.com> ... Looks like it. ... Dunno, it's Dave's formula. I'm not sure why you only get one MOS there: it should have given...
graham@... Send Email Jun 1, 2001
4:56 pm

... What do you mean by this? Do you mean you want to find MA errors at an N+1 integer limit instead of N odd limit when the octave is tempered too?...
Dave Keenan
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May 26, 2001
9:44 pm

... I mean taking an arbitrary set of intervals and finding some generators and periods that fit them. Graham...
graham@... Send Email May 27, 2001
12:28 pm

(21) [16,2,5,6,37,-34] <2401/2400, 3136/3125> 68+31=99 (22) [4,-3,2,13,8,-14] <49/48,225/224> 10+9=19 (23) [1,4,10,12,-13,4> <81/80,126/125> Meantone (24)...
ideaofgod Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2001
7:41 am

Could you take a look at my questions on the first 20?...
paulerlich Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2001
8:00 am

... I thought I did--which questions still require an answer?...
ideaofgod Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2001
9:43 am

... On that page it says, "I've written a Python script to systematically find equal temperaments consistent within a given prime limit." You mean odd limit,...
Paul Erlich
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May 25, 2001
9:52 pm
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