--- In tuning-math@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> Well, my big "mean" math question has to do with the idea of
> the "root mean square" (RMS) method of finding averages that Graham
> Breed was talking about on the "fat" list...
>
> I'm actually intrigued by this, since I'm not understanding why
> squaring everything, adding it all together and then taking the
> SQUARE ROOT of the sum is going to lead to an accurate average...
>
> Why is this done this way again?? This is pretty interesting,
> actually...
You don't want to take the _straight_ average because it might be
zero just from positives and negative signs canceling out.
The two simplest alternatives are to take the _maximum_ error, or to
take the average of the absolute values of the errors (called MAD,
for Mean Absolute Deviation).
The RMS is known as the Standard Deviation in statistics. It's the
standard measure of error in science and engineering. There are
several reasons for this. Let me give you a rough idea of why it
makes some sense in this context.
Look at the dips in the harmonic entropy curve. Notice how they
are "rounded" at the bottom. Any curve with a round minimum like this
(not getting too technical) approximates a parabola more and more
closely the more you zoom in on the minimum. A parabola is just the
curve representing squared error. So if you sum the squared errors,
you're summing the dissonances, in a sense. And then you have to take
the square root at the end so that the result is comparable with the
units for a _single_ error. For example, in the 3-limit there's only
one interval to evaluate. Let's say it has a 2-cent error. So any
sort of _average_ over this one interval would have to be 2 cents. It
wouldn't make much sense to say the average was 4 cents when there's
only a single 2 cent error, would it? So that's why you have to take
the square root after summing. If you want to get more technical,
check out a statistics book.
Well, my big "mean" math question has to do with the idea of the "root mean square" (RMS) method of finding averages that Graham Breed was talking about on the...
jpehrson@...
Jun 8, 2001 5:42 pm
... Joseph - I think there's an easier explanation than using vectors. It's basically using the Pythagorean triangle; 2 2 2 a + b = c Try...
Orphon Soul, Inc.
tuning@...
Jun 8, 2001 7:27 pm
... You don't want to take the _straight_ average because it might be zero just from positives and negative signs canceling out. The two simplest alternatives...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 8, 2001 9:01 pm
... THAT'S what standard deviation IS? Ahh.. Thank you Paul. I don't think I ever knew that. Or if I did, I managed to not retain it......
Orphon Soul, Inc.
tuning@...
Jun 8, 2001 9:17 pm
... Sorry, I was wrong about that. The Standard Deviation is something different. It's actually the RMS deviation of a set of measurements from their...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 8, 2001 9:40 pm
... Right, I remember it had to do with the mean, just didn't know how it was calculated. Thanks for clearing that up. ... Actually I've worked with that...
Orphon Soul, Inc.
tuning@...
Jun 8, 2001 9:49 pm
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/169 Thanks, Paul... this gives me a good overview on this one! It's pretty interesting... ________...
jpehrson@...
Jun 8, 2001 9:38 pm
[Joseph Pehrson wrote:] ... Is it my imagination, or has nobody already caught the error in this? Paul E, even you??? Before you take the square root, you...
John A. deLaubenfels
jdl@...
Jun 9, 2001 12:40 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/180 ... this? ... Actually, John... this is interesting because, if I'd known this, I probably wouldn't...
jpehrson@...
Jun 9, 2001 4:08 am
[Joseph Pehrson wrote:] ... Right. That'd be the "Root Sum Square", which, as you've surmised, wouldn't be very "averagy". In fact, I'm not sure what it...
John A. deLaubenfels
jdl@...
Jun 9, 2001 10:57 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/186 ... I ... then. ... but all had a "brain fart" (which I know a lot about, 'cause I get them all the...
jpehrson@...
Jun 9, 2001 12:54 pm
[I wrote:] ... Oops! Well, maybe it'd be slightly useful for such abstractions as the length of a hypotenuse of a right triangle. ;-> JdL...