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Reply Message #186 of 20696 |
Re: big "mean" math question

[Joseph Pehrson wrote:]
>Actually, John... this is interesting because, if I'd known this, I
>probably wouldn't have been quite as "mystified" as I was after
>Graham's original post. The method you outline immediately above
>seems somewhat "averagy" to me... so it would have seemed more
>sensible.

>Here was Graham's original quote from post 24541:

>>Averages are trickier, you do need to consider all intervals then.
>>The most popular is the root mean squared (RMS). So you take the
>>errors in all intervals, square them all, add them together and
>>return the square root.

Right. That'd be the "Root Sum Square", which, as you've surmised,
wouldn't be very "averagy". In fact, I'm not sure what it would be
useful for. I'm sure Graham, and probably all the other people who
responded to your post yesterday, _do_ know the correct definition, but
all had a "brain fart" (which I know a lot about, 'cause I get them all
the time!).

The RMS value will always be less than the largest absolute value which
goes into its calculation (or equal if all input values are the same or
-same). I can see that you were grasping for that in your original
post. So, you have a better math sense than you realized!

JdL




Sat Jun 9, 2001 10:58 am

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Well, my big "mean" math question has to do with the idea of the "root mean square" (RMS) method of finding averages that Graham Breed was talking about on the...
jpehrson@... Send Email Jun 8, 2001
5:42 pm

... Joseph - I think there's an easier explanation than using vectors. It's basically using the Pythagorean triangle; 2 2 2 a + b = c Try...
Orphon Soul, Inc.
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Jun 8, 2001
7:27 pm

... You don't want to take the _straight_ average because it might be zero just from positives and negative signs canceling out. The two simplest alternatives...
Paul Erlich
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Jun 8, 2001
9:01 pm

... THAT'S what standard deviation IS? Ahh.. Thank you Paul. I don't think I ever knew that. Or if I did, I managed to not retain it......
Orphon Soul, Inc.
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Jun 8, 2001
9:17 pm

... Sorry, I was wrong about that. The Standard Deviation is something different. It's actually the RMS deviation of a set of measurements from their...
Paul Erlich
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Jun 8, 2001
9:40 pm

... Right, I remember it had to do with the mean, just didn't know how it was calculated. Thanks for clearing that up. ... Actually I've worked with that...
Orphon Soul, Inc.
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Jun 8, 2001
9:49 pm

... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/169 Thanks, Paul... this gives me a good overview on this one! It's pretty interesting... ________...
jpehrson@... Send Email Jun 8, 2001
9:38 pm

[Joseph Pehrson wrote:] ... Is it my imagination, or has nobody already caught the error in this? Paul E, even you??? Before you take the square root, you...
John A. deLaubenfels
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Jun 9, 2001
12:40 am

... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/180 ... this? ... Actually, John... this is interesting because, if I'd known this, I probably wouldn't...
jpehrson@... Send Email Jun 9, 2001
4:08 am

[Joseph Pehrson wrote:] ... Right. That'd be the "Root Sum Square", which, as you've surmised, wouldn't be very "averagy". In fact, I'm not sure what it...
John A. deLaubenfels
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Jun 9, 2001
10:57 am

... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/186 ... I ... then. ... but all had a "brain fart" (which I know a lot about, 'cause I get them all the...
jpehrson@... Send Email Jun 9, 2001
12:54 pm

[I wrote:] ... Oops! Well, maybe it'd be slightly useful for such abstractions as the length of a hypotenuse of a right triangle. ;-> JdL...
John A. deLaubenfels
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Jun 9, 2001
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