> But isn't it a bit strange that a generator that is 7 units of 72-
> tET should create FIVES... and that 5+2, the small interval = 7.
>
> I'm not entirely understanding why that is...
>
> ??
It's very simple.
72 divided by 7 is 10, with a remainder of 2.
So after 10 generators in the cycle, you're 2 units short of where
you started.
Another generator later, you're 7-2 = 5 units beyond where you
started, and 2 units short of the second note in the chain.
Similarly, you'll divide each of the 7-unit steps of the first cycle
into a large (5-unit) step and a small (2-unit) step as you go around
the second cycle.
When you've completed the second cycle, you've completed the
blackjack scale.
When you've completed the third cycle, you've completed the canasta
scale.
When you've completed the fourth cycle, you've completed the MIRACLE-
41 scale.
Well, this isn't very advanced... but, if not math, at least it's arithmetic... I still don't understand how 7 of the 72-tET scale is a generator of blackjack....
jpehrson@...
Jun 20, 2001 3:10 am
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 20, 2001 4:52 am
... Joseph, As a complement to Monz's explanation, see what I just added to http://uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/MiraclePitchChart.gif It shows the octave as a...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 20, 2001 6:14 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/258 ... and follow the (new) straight line segments clockwise. You'll see each one jumps 7/72 of an...
jpehrson@...
Jun 21, 2001 2:09 am
... There is only one chain. It _starts_ at D>. It goes around the circle once, producing 9 more notes. Then D pops up. Then 9 more notes. Then D< is last....
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 21, 2001 2:32 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/267 ... those ... is ... are ... circle ... Then ... Thanks, Paul... I just started on the wrong note......
jpehrson@...
Jun 21, 2001 2:46 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/256 ... Hello Monz! Thank you so much for this interesting response. Well, I read ahead, and I guess...
jpehrson@...
Jun 21, 2001 2:04 am
... Yup . . . it's identical in form to the derivation Woolhouse did (in 1835?) of the optimal meantone temperament, which turned out to have a fifth (the...
Paul Erlich
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Jun 21, 2001 2:29 am
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monz
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Jun 21, 2001 6:22 am
31-EDO is "MIRACLE" in exactly the same way that 12-tET is meantone. i.e. Not really. At best borderline, with large deviations from JI. We have the following...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 22, 2001 12:40 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/280 ... meantone. ... Thanks, Dave! This is very interesting... ______ _____ ______ Joseph Pehrson...
jpehrson@...
Jun 22, 2001 3:33 am
... I've also found it useful as a keyboard notation for Blackjack on a traditional keyboard -- it's easy to set up a 2-octave keyboard mapping with the...
Herman Miller
hmiller@...
Jun 22, 2001 1:52 am
... mapping ... black ... Herman, Could you describe this keyboard mapping in more detail? The main problem I'm having here is that there are 11 "unnaturals"...
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/271 ... Thank you Monz, for this. This is the first time I've started to understand it. After the first...
jpehrson@...
Jun 22, 2001 3:26 am
... It's very simple. 72 divided by 7 is 10, with a remainder of 2. So after 10 generators in the cycle, you're 2 units short of where you started. Another...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 22, 2001 7:05 pm
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/294 ... 72- ... cycle into a large (5-unit) step and a small (2-unit) step as you go around the second...
jpehrson@...
Jun 22, 2001 9:04 pm
In-Reply-To: <9gpf0f+i66g@eGroups.com> ... 11-limit by most figures of demerit, although that is ignoring some obviously too complex scales. 7-limit it's...
graham@...
Jun 21, 2001 6:19 pm
... Your page says "11 limit" where it should be "13 limit"....
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 22, 2001 1:26 am
In-Reply-To: <9gu46b+b1l3@eGroups.com> ... That could be continued Meantone MIRACLE ... 26-EDO 21-EDO 7-EDO 10-EDO 5-EDO 11-EDO although 7 and 5 may be...