Sorry about the previous message, sent by mistake.
--- In tuning-math@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> I'm getting a little confused here... Did Harry Partch use a
> 41-tone scale in addition to his 43-tone scale??
Sure. There are two in the Scala archive, But that's not what I meant.
> He never actually used "Miracle 41" did he??
No. I didn't say that either. But he might not have noticed if someone
had substituted a scale which was MIRACLE-41 plus a couple of extra
notes from MIRACLE-45.
Sorry about the previous message, sent by mistake. ... Sure. There are two in the Scala archive, But that's not what I meant. ... No. I didn't say that either....
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 25, 2001 4:04 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/329 ... meant. ... someone ... Hi Dave... I guess what I'm understanding is that some of the "fill in"...
jpehrson@...
Jun 26, 2001 3:36 am
... extra ... Yes. But I was referring to the early 43 toner in "Expositions on Monophony". It only applies to the later one in "Genesis" if Partch wouldn't...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 26, 2001 6:38 am
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 25, 2001 6:36 am
... Actually, the pair was 11/10 and 10/9 . . . you don't get a PB or CS the other way....
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 11:38 am
In-Reply-To: <004601c0fd40$bfed2d20$4448620c@...> ... Without hard facts, all we have is speculation. Which is good, because it's much more fun that way. ...
graham@...
Jun 25, 2001 9:53 am
Graham and Dave, Wilson knew Partch, and his mappings for the Diamond to Modulus-41 and Modulus-72 keyboards did not use the MIRACLE generator, but rather...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 11:43 am
I wrote, ... and ... Oops -- I meant the Partch 43-tone scale, not the diamond....
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 11:43 am
... [43-tone scale] to Modulus-41 and ... other generators. Which ones? ... MIRACLE, in any way ... All that means is that Partch wasn't intentionally using...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 25, 2001 5:16 pm
... You bet! ... "Imply" is a little strong. I'd say "suggest"....
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 10:05 pm
In-Reply-To: <9h7845+e2fi@eGroups.com> ... Oh, come come. If Partch was ever feeling towards Miracle he would have stopped doing so long before Wilson came up...
graham@...
Jun 25, 2001 2:04 pm
... Diamond ... could ... whatsoever. ... have ... ideas. ... Now you're stretching the meaning of the word "imply". ... Now you're _really_ stretching the...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 9:50 pm
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 25, 2001 3:48 pm
... comparison. ... It's interesting that Miracle distinguishes all three of these ratios, as Partch did. 11:12 is -9 generators 10:11 is 22 generators 9:10...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 25, 2001 5:26 pm
... ratios, ... Partch distinguished them because they're all in the diamond. Early on, his scale was _just_ the diamond. 10:11 and 9:10 (and their octave...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 10:08 pm
I'm replying here to two of Graham's posts about Partch and MIRACLE.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <graham@...>
> To:...
monz
joemonz@...
Jun 25, 2001 8:01 pm
... So, if "Exposition on Monophony" was1933, that's well in advance. ... Be careful you don't get carried away with these speculations. It seems plausible...
Graham Breed
graham@...
Jun 25, 2001 9:56 pm
... seems ... improved ... Oh yes, that's certainly still worth considering. ... something like ... with does ... Please give details. How many holes in a...
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 25, 2001 11:28 pm
... I will continue to take the (partly devil's advocate) stance that this is not the case at all and Partch was really just feeling out modulus-41 while...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 25, 2001 10:15 pm
... Yes. Please do. ... But Partch did compromise the diamond in the 39 note "Ur" scale, and in just such a way as to reduce its width on a Miracle chain, i.e....
Dave Keenan
D.KEENAN@...
Jun 25, 2001 11:40 pm
... and ... I replied to this view on the tuning list....
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 26, 2001 12:33 am
... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/366 ... So the thought is that, possibly, something was "bothering" him about these temperaments... (??) ...
jpehrson@...
Jun 26, 2001 4:07 am
... That's kind of silly. He did include 31 in his table, and was unfamiliar with 41 and 72, both absent from the literature with which he was familiar. But...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 26, 2001 4:17 am
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 26, 2001 3:23 am
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joemonz@...
Jun 26, 2001 3:28 am
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 26, 2001 3:39 am
... That's understandable, since 31-tET conflates pairs of ratios in his diamond, such as 9:8 and 10:9, and gives them both an error of 11 cents! Since these...
Paul Erlich
paul@...
Jun 26, 2001 4:13 am
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monz
joemonz@...
Jun 26, 2001 5:23 am
... This is useful terminology. "<temperament> conflates ratios in <JI structure>" means the same as "<JI structure> overloads <temperament>". ... What do you...
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