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Re: Linear temperament names?

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@b...>
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> The article deals only with linear temperaments of octave-repeating
> octave-equivalent scales, so the reader is only interested in how
many
> periods there are modulo the number in the octave.

Someone reading about temperaments presumably wants to know what they
are. Your sloppy method means they must work at it even to get the
mapping of primes in terms of period and generator. How can you
simultaneously maintain you are dumbing down *and* increase the
number of mathematical hoops you expect your readers to jump through?
If you want to make things easy, you are going about it in a very,
very bad way.

So when the period
> _is_ the octave these are all zero and I prefer to omit them. It's
> easier to omit them without confusion if they come _last_. I do not
> want to use any vector or matrix math in the article.

It's pitched at
> an audience with more basic math skills.

So that is why you insist on making the math difficult??

> The article deals only with octave-repeating octave-equivalent
scales
> so why should I bother saying that there are zero generators in the
> 1:2 every time.

You should "bother" to give your poor readers a break by explicitly
giving them a mapping to primes. What is this--pledge week for
microtonalists? If they understand your article without the secret
decoder ring they are in? In any case sloppy is sloppy.

> Commas and wedgies are utterly irrelevant to my article.

Commas are irrelevant to explaining temperaments? I don't think so.
Once again, you propose leaving your readers clueless.





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... below? ... The article deals only with linear temperaments of octave-repeating octave-equivalent scales, so the reader is only interested in how many ...
Dave Keenan
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Oct 28, 2003
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... many ... Someone reading about temperaments presumably wants to know what they are. Your sloppy method means they must work at it even to get the mapping...
Gene Ward Smith
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Oct 28, 2003
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... Yes, but there are many ways to answer that. Those that are best for mathematicians are not necessarily best for musical types. For musical types...
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hi Dave and Gene, ... first of all, can both of you *PLEASE* take a deep breath and count to 10 before responding? and if you're still angry, turn off the...
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... Done. ... It isn't only vector addition I'm avoiding, but matrix multiplication. I deliberately don't even use the word vector, but simply "list", because...
Dave Keenan
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... If they are going to turn monzos into octaves/generators, they will need the information a mapping matrix gives, whether or not presented as a matrix. This...
Gene Ward Smith
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Oct 29, 2003
10:33 pm

... Yes indeed. I'm even using the MATLAB/Octave syntax, since it's the most compact I know of ("Octave" is a free GNU clone of MATLAB). I'm just not _calling_...
Dave Keenan
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... My explanations are not at issue. The question is whether the poor, unfortunate reader is going to be able to easily figure out what the temperament means....
Gene Ward Smith
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Oct 29, 2003
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... It is? ... Didn't he say he uses names because they have already been used? -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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... OK. Let me rephrase that. For most musical types of people who are not mathematicians, octave-equivalence is a given. ... Wot, do you mean that if I make...
Dave Keenan
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... I don't think that's true. Charles Carpenter, Brian McLaren, Jeff Scott, Wendy Carlos and many more have used non-octave scales. All these people have...
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I'm sorry about that last message. I lost it. But you do seem to have that effect on people, Gene. :-) I should have waited a bit longer before hitting the...
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hi Dave, ... for our software, i was trying to keep interval names as terse as possible, so i decided to trash regular words altogether, and simply use "7al"...
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... The generator can be taken to be an 11/7, which Manuel has listed as a "unidecimal augmented fifth." It may not be a very good name, but if you think that...
Gene Ward Smith
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... Sorry about that. I guess I was just too busy with other things like work, family and sagittal, around the time you were posting lists of 11-limit LTs. But...
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... Use a little imagination. -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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... Would you care to explain what you mean by that cryptic remark? Do you mean that you think they _could_ cause confusion? If so, then I think it would be...
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... Sorry, it wasn't meant to be cryptic. ... Sure. I can't count the number of times I've checked out a new subject and observed a terminology difference...
Carl Lumma
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... Good point. ... So when some minimally-mathematical musician wants to tune up their synthesizer or whatever, to my new Fart temperament. I should give them...
Dave Keenan
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... No, you should give them the size of the generator in cents, and probably the entire scale, and probably the entire fretboard, and probably the name of a...
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Sorry; never put anything in here... ... Ouch. This hurts my brain. I love Paul's names, as shown on the xoomer charts. -Carl...
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... It can be like chemistry. The common compounds have common names _and_ systematic names. But the uncommon ones have only systematic names. I think it is a...
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... Well yeah. I guess that's what I _should_ do. :-) ... Yeah, I was at one stage, but I thought it sounded dopey. If only there were more words like "half"...
Dave Keenan
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... then you'll have the same name for tons and tons of them. ... NB this is as true for notation symbols as for names!...
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Oct 30, 2003
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... Didn't I say that in the following sentence? -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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... even 13-limit linear temperaments? that may be going too far, considering that you'd need 4 commas for each, and various reduction schemes may give...
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... Sometimes it doesn't exist at all....
Gene Ward Smith
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... the ... I've already have up a posting devoted *solely* to unidec. Moreover, I rejected names like your proposal for a reason--it is likely to confuse...
Gene Ward Smith
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... Yes. I saw that one. The only posts containing the word "Unidec" come from you. In most cases, the name is buried in a great list of temperaments and their...
Dave Keenan
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... come ... Until now, I seem to have been the only person to take an interest in the temperament. Is that my fault? ... If you want to blame someone for...
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