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Reply Message #8521 of 20696 |
Re: Temperament agreement

--- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
> --- In tuning-math@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@b...> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't want to include any outside the 5-limit linear temperaments
> > having the following 18 vanishing commas. And I wouldn't mind leaving
> > off the last four.
>
> Your wishes can be accomodated by setting bounds for size and
> epimericity. For the short list, we have size < 93 cents and
> epimericity < 0.62, the only five limit comma which would be added to
> the list if we used these bounds would be 1600000/1594323. Presumably
> you have no objection to that, as it appears on your long list.

I could live with it, but I'd rather not.

> The long list has size < 93 and epimericity < 0.68. If we were to use
> these bounds, we would add 6561/6250 and 20480/19683. The second of
> these, 20480/19683, has epimericity 0.6757, which is a sliver higher
> than the actual maximum epimericity of your long list, 0.6739, and so
> setting the bound at 0.675 would leave it off. What do you make of the
> 6561/6250 comma? If you had no objection to letting it on to an
> amended long list, you'd be in business there as well.

I'd rather not.

What I don't like about both of these proposals is the "corners" in
the cutoff line. I prefer straight or smoothly curved cutoffs.




Fri Jan 9, 2004 11:45 pm

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Continued from the tuning list. ... With these it seems I need to scale the parameters to k=0.002 p=0.5 and max badness = 75 where badness = complexity *...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 8, 2004
7:20 am

... cutoff ... See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning_files/files/Erlich/dave3.gif It looks like going back to logarithmic error scaling would be better for...
Paul Erlich
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Jan 8, 2004
8:35 am

... error ... better ... See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning_files/files/Erlich/dave4.gif Your criterion (the cyan curve marked '75') allows in two commas...
Paul Erlich
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Jan 8, 2004
8:38 pm

... is ... then ... find ... Right. If Dave will give a list of commas he must have, we could simply find out the maximum epimericity. Then we could produce a...
Gene Ward Smith
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Jan 8, 2004
9:16 pm

... list ... Obviously there will be! 2/1, 3/2, 4/3, 5/4, 6/5, 9/8, 10/9, and 16/15 automatically qualify....
Paul Erlich
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Jan 8, 2004
9:23 pm

... Yes. I like the log error scale. ... Thanks very much for doing this Paul. ... Right. Well it was just an estimated modification to the original formula,...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 8, 2004
11:54 pm

... chart. Could you enlighten the rest of us and give a comma list of commas you want?...
Gene Ward Smith
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Jan 9, 2004
2:47 am

... I wouldn't want to include any outside the 5-limit linear temperaments having the following 18 vanishing commas. And I wouldn't mind leaving off the last...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 9, 2004
2:30 pm

... Your wishes can be accomodated by setting bounds for size and epimericity. For the short list, we have size < 93 cents and epimericity < 0.62, the only...
Gene Ward Smith
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Jan 9, 2004
9:55 pm

... I could live with it, but I'd rather not. ... I'd rather not. What I don't like about both of these proposals is the "corners" in the cutoff line. I prefer...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 9, 2004
11:45 pm

... It gives you the commas on your list, but you reject it anyway because it doesn't make use of your personal fetish about smooth curves? You may be happy to...
Gene Ward Smith
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Jan 10, 2004
12:48 am

... Read again. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/8521 I said I could live with it. ... It is neither fetish, obsession nor preposterous. (I...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 10, 2004
2:26 am

... in ... Uh-oh. ... It may be time to run for the hills again :)...
Paul Erlich
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Jan 11, 2004
9:58 pm

... Hee hee. Sorry to disappoint. :-)...
Dave Keenan
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Jan 11, 2004
10:38 pm

I don't like these two-curve boundaries when it's clear one simple curve could do. I personally could do without 78732/78125 and 20000/19683, but not without...
Paul Erlich
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Jan 11, 2004
9:58 pm

... Is this subjective, or can you quantify it?...
Gene Ward Smith
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Jan 12, 2004
4:21 am

... simple ... Actually, it's absurd. I misremembered the four curves that I drew, which was easy since no one has referred to them yet. What I really meant...
Paul Erlich
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Jan 12, 2004
7:42 pm
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