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TURMEL: Judas Goat Liberty Dollars linked to CC by DeMeulenaere   Message List  
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JCT: http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel/message/3207 is my
article titled: "Liberty Dollar Straw Man Judas Goat"
because the Liberty Dollar system has angered the American
government by casting coining an alternate currency that can
be mistaken for American money. Now the Judas Goat currency
has been linked to the Community Currency movement by
Stephen DeMeulenaere:

>CC Database surpasses 2006 registration targets
>Posted by: "Stephen DeMeulenaere" stephen_dem@...
>Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:21 pm ((PST))
Greetings, The CC Database
http://www.complementarycurrency.org/ccDatabase/les_public.html
set the modest target of 100 registrations in 2006.
Due to recent activity by the Liberty Dollar network
in the US, the CC Database is now at nearly 150
registrations. We hope that all CC systems will register
their systems in the CC Database. Regards, Stephen

JCT: Stephen hopes all CC systems wil register at his site
to be associated with the Judas Goat system. Best way to
bring the wrath of government down on us as well as them.
Thanks to social currency saboteur Stephen DeMeulenaere.

>Subject: [apfn-1] Digest Number 4490
>Private silver currency gets notice in western North
Carolina
>Posted by: "Augustine" a.tulips@... arkzoneus
>Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:30 pm ((PST))
>Liberty Dollars Used in Asheville Are Not Legal Tender

Associated Press via The Herald-Sun, Durham, North Carolina
By Ieva M. Augstums
Saturday, November 11, 2006
http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-787392.html

IMA: ASHEVILLE, North Carolina -- What's in your wallet? If
it's a Liberty Dollar, watch out.

JCT: Time for social currency organizers to watch out with
the Liberty Dollar boys.

IMA: Similar in size and design to the U.S. Mint coins that
are legal tender for all debts, public and private, Liberty
Dollars are stamped from 1 troy ounce of 0.999 fine silver
with a supposed face value of $20. It's an alternative
currency accepted by some 85 businesses in Asheville, the
largest city in the mountains of western North Carolina. The
silver coins are similar in size and design to coins minted
by the U.S. government. Trouble is,

JCT: Yes, the "trouble" with Liberty Dollars may become the
trouble with alternate currencies listed on the DeMeulenaere
database with the bad argent provocateur.

IMA: it's illegal under federal law to pass money not minted
or printed by the federal government, and it's an offense
punishable by an expensive fine, up to five years in prison,
or both. So unless those spending Liberty Dollars are clear
about just what they're using to pay their bills -- that
they're "bartering silver" for goods and services and not
paying with federal cash -- they risk prosecution.

JCT: And when they bust them, Community Currency systems on
the same DeMeulenaere database should get smeared with the
same brush.

IMA: "This is a medallion that they are promoting for use as
circulating money. That's the concern," says Mint
spokeswoman Becky Bailey.

JCT: They called the coin a dollar. Can't be more
provocative than that. Not a barter buck or green dollar but
a Liberty Dollar when there used to be "liberty" coins.

IMA: The coins are minted in Idaho by NORFED -- the National
Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and
the Internal Revenue Code -- and have been around for eight
years. The group also prints paper certificates, and says
its private currency -- sold only for real U.S. currency --
is backed by silver stored at an audited company warehouse.

JCT: Their supply of alternative currency is limited by
their supply of silver rock. Har har har har.

IMA: Karen Griffin, owner of the Gourmet Perks restaurant in
Asheville, started accepting payment in the dollars about a
year ago as a way of promoting her business. She admitted,
however, not many customers actually come in with them. "It
gets my name out there in a different market," said Griffin,
who has not used Liberty Dollars personally. "I don't know
if the concept will catch on. It's just something
different."

JCT: Sounds like the same kind of good things that community
currencies report.

IMA: The Liberty Dollar coins look like U.S. currency, down
to their use of the words "Liberty" and "USA" -- both seen
on real coins -- and the phrase "Trust in God."

JCT: Argent provocateur. ("argent" is "silver" in French)

IMA: (Legal tender has the phrase "In God We Trust.")
Liberty Dollars also bear images that echo those seen on
U.S. coins, including the Statue of Liberty and her torch.

JCT: Really argent provocateur.

IMA: Two modern touches found on Liberty coins and notes are
a phone number - 1-800-NEW-DOLLAR -- and a Web address,
LibertyDollar.org.

So far no one has been charged or prosecuted for crimes
stemming from the use of Liberty Dollars, and federal
prosecutors in western North Carolina won't say if they've
received questions or inquiries about the coins. While it is
not illegal to own the coins or certificate notes as
collectibles, Bailey said, the government is concerned that
people are using Liberty Dollars as money.

JCT: Which is the whole purpose of a community currency.

IMA: NORFED executive director Michael Johnson claims that
more than $20 million in Liberty medallions and paper
certificates are in circulation. The head of the Evansville,
Ind.-based non-profit, which promotes use of the alternative
money, agrees it's against the law to use the Liberty Dollar
if someone believes it is government money. "The terms that
they use are valid terms," Johnson said. "It just means that
you can use the Liberty Dollar to purchase, to transact
business between individuals who want to use it as private
currency."

Kevin Innes is one of them. He has paid $250 to become a
Liberty Dollar "associate," which allows the music teacher
to buy the private currency at a discounted price. He said
he explains to businesses around town that the dollars are
not official currency, and if they want to use them, they
have to be willing to "accept it and actively give it as
change."

"It hasn't been a part of people's consciousness to use
another currency unless you're at the border of Canada or
Mexico," said Innes, who leaves the coins as tips and uses
them wherever he can in Asheville. "It builds a form of
customer loyalty. It's like a community currency."

JCT: It's like community currency but it's designed to
provoke the government into attack on the community currency
movement once it's linked to CC by the bankster agents in
the CC movement.

IMA: Asheville -- a hotbed of liberal political activism
surrounded by mountain communities home to many people with
strong libertarian and anti-government views -- would seem
to be the perfect place for an alternative currency to
thrive.

JCT: Sure but why pick a model that offends the government
especially when Michael Linton spent so much time making
sure there could be no such confusion.

IMA: And while there are several dozen businesses that
accept the money, Liberty Dollars have a long way to go
before they're as popular as federal greenbacks. "I'd be
willing to work with it, but they are not in a wide enough
circulation," said Meg Anderson, a massage therapist and
owner of A Tranquil Haven. "I haven't used or have had
customers use them."

Lawrence H. White, a professor of economic history at the
University of Missouri-St. Louis, doesn't see much reason
for the government to worry about Liberty Dollars, except to
the extent that their increased use reflects a drop in
confidence in the country's leadership. "I would see it as a
symptom rather than a cause of trouble," White said.
"There's not a lot of reason to use them when banks don't
take them."

JCT: And I would see it as a move made to provoke a
government back-lash against all those other community
currency systems being linked to the bad guys by bankster
agents like Stephen DeMeulenaere.

Needless to say, groups associating with DeMeulenaere's
database will get what they deserve.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics



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