Linux List  (02.07.99  16:47):
>>Linux is best OS. But it may go by the same way as MS OSs.
>>It's real danger.
>
>No chance. Can't happen. For windoze there is only one
>company/mind controlling the show. For Linux there are
>many. That makes a VERY big difference.

You forget about Linux Torvalds, dad of Linux ;-)
I'm not Windows fan - I can say more - I don't like Windows as server
OS.
But we will see ;-)

>P.S. I will put on the list a good friend of mine,
>and a REAL Linux fanatic. And then you will see why
>some will NEVER forget Linux and go windoze.

There are many cool unixes. So, lets not talk about it.

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Lets not forget the numbers here. Over 70 Million
Windows systems and less than 10 Million Linux
systems. Linux still has a big hill it needs
to climb.

Windows still has the apps and drivers that Linux
is missing.

Most interest in Linux seems to be on the server
side as the client side is missing many apps.

This seems to be where most vendors are concentrating
their efforts. The client platform are not an issue here.
With companies providing web access to their server software
the browser will be the client of choice in the future.

This may really be the main competition to NT :)

Regards

Colin Sydes
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Linux List  (7/2/99  3:39 PM):
>Linux List  (02.07.99  16:23):
>>Linux List (07/02/1999 15:07):
>>>Sebastian  (02.07.99  15:26):
>>>>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>>>>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>>>>different from m$ way.
>>>
>>>Not agree.
>>>Linux is Unix in first.
>>>The new way was born in 1973 at AT&T and has many implementations such as
>>>Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix , SCO etc
>>>General difference is FREE distribution of Linux (of course if you use SRC of
>>>Linux you must do the same).
>>>For the reason Linux has many likers around world and these likers lifted
>Linux
>>>to the powerful state.
>>>But if Linux will be on sale - it will eat a pie of MS more slowly :-) (IMHO)
>>
>>The name says different :) (Linux Is Not UniX :)
>
>I think it's all
>
>>It is on sale: you can purchase it from RedHat, Caldera etc.
>>Or, just as well, you can download it for free. You have
>>options.
>
>Of course. But if Linux will be only on sale - our fun will disappear quickly ;
>-)
>One and bigger advantage of Linux is his FREE distribution.
>If MS puts his Windows-products as free available - we will forget about Linux.
>
>>I think it already started to eat from m$ pie. First there
>>were Linux Internet servers. Now you have Database servers.
>>The offer of desktop applications is growing (see GIMP or
>>the K Offie project -  see www.koffice.kde.or for snapshots).
>>And this is only the beginning.
>
>Linux is best OS. But it may go by the same way as MS OSs.
>It's real danger.
>
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>
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>
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Dimitry :

>One and bigger advantage of Linux is his FREE distribution.
>If MS puts his Windows-products as free available - we will forget about Linux.

The Linux success story can't be applied to windoze.
Even if there will be a windoze free to download, everyone
will that after a while you'll finish by paying double
for it.

>Linux is best OS. But it may go by the same way as MS OSs.
>It's real danger.

No chance. Can't happen. For windoze there is only one
company/mind controlling the show. For Linux there are
many. That makes a VERY big difference.

Sebastian
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P.S. I will put on the list a good friend of mine,
and a REAL Linux fanatic. And then you will see why
some will NEVER forget Linux and go windoze.

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Back to the original subject.  It is not question of porting TWO into
Linux or
not.  Such a version exists already in our labs.  Maybe not fully
verified but
mainly working.  The question is more that before releasing we need to
decide
the business model.  How can we make money in this freeware market.
Also the
question is what kind of support we can promise.  By giving out software
for
free you don't need to worry about support.  But if you take some money
your
customers are asking for continuity i.e. support for coming Linux
variants etc.

These are not big problems and I'm sure they will be solved soon.  (I
quess the
decision to release a Linux version of TWO has already made but the
timing is
still open :)

By the way TWO´s roots are not in Unix.  The first version was made in
OS/2 1.?
in 1988.  Unix was at that time representing old fashioned terminal
based
solutions (as user interface point of view).  OS/2 was the only possible
PC LAN
OS to implement such a solution.

Regards Hannu P.
Linux List  (2.7.1999  15:23):
>Linux List (07/02/1999 15:07):
>>Sebastian  (02.07.99  15:26):
>>>Colin Sydes  (07/02/1999 10:42):
>>>>They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
>>>>Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
>>>>a third party product :)
>>>
>>>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>>>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>>>different from m$ way.
>>
>>Not agree.
>>Linux is Unix in first.
>>The new way was born in 1973 at AT&T and has many implementations such as
>>Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix , SCO etc
>>General difference is FREE distribution of Linux (of course if you use SRC of
>>Linux you must do the same).
>>For the reason Linux has many likers around world and these likers lifted
>>Linux
>>to the powerful state.
>>But if Linux will be on sale - it will eat a pie of MS more slowly :-) (IMHO)
>
>The name says different :) (Linux Is Not UniX :)
>It is on sale: you can purchase it from RedHat, Caldera etc.
>Or, just as well, you can download it for free. You have
>options.
>I think it already started to eat from m$ pie. First there
>were Linux Internet servers. Now you have Database servers.
>The offer of desktop applications is growing (see GIMP or
>the K Offie project -  see www.koffice.kde.or for snapshots).
>And this is only the beginning.
>
>Sebastian
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Linux List  (02.07.99  16:23):
>Linux List (07/02/1999 15:07):
>>Sebastian  (02.07.99  15:26):
>>>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>>>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>>>different from m$ way.
>>
>>Not agree.
>>Linux is Unix in first.
>>The new way was born in 1973 at AT&T and has many implementations such as
>>Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix , SCO etc
>>General difference is FREE distribution of Linux (of course if you use SRC of
>>Linux you must do the same).
>>For the reason Linux has many likers around world and these likers lifted
Linux
>>to the powerful state.
>>But if Linux will be on sale - it will eat a pie of MS more slowly :-) (IMHO)
>
>The name says different :) (Linux Is Not UniX :)

I think it's all

>It is on sale: you can purchase it from RedHat, Caldera etc.
>Or, just as well, you can download it for free. You have
>options.

Of course. But if Linux will be only on sale - our fun will disappear
quickly ;
-)
One and bigger advantage of Linux is his FREE distribution.
If MS puts his Windows-products as free available - we will forget about
Linux.

>I think it already started to eat from m$ pie. First there
>were Linux Internet servers. Now you have Database servers.
>The offer of desktop applications is growing (see GIMP or
>the K Offie project -  see www.koffice.kde.or for snapshots).
>And this is only the beginning.

Linux is best OS. But it may go by the same way as MS OSs.
It's real danger.

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Linux List (07/02/1999 15:07):
>Sebastian  (02.07.99  15:26):
>>Colin Sydes  (07/02/1999 10:42):
>>>They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
>>>Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
>>>a third party product :)
>>
>>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>>different from m$ way.
>
>Not agree.
>Linux is Unix in first.
>The new way was born in 1973 at AT&T and has many implementations such as
>Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix , SCO etc
>General difference is FREE distribution of Linux (of course if you use SRC of
>Linux you must do the same).
>For the reason Linux has many likers around world and these likers lifted Linux
>to the powerful state.
>But if Linux will be on sale - it will eat a pie of MS more slowly :-) (IMHO)

The name says different :) (Linux Is Not UniX :)
It is on sale: you can purchase it from RedHat, Caldera etc.
Or, just as well, you can download it for free. You have
options.
I think it already started to eat from m$ pie. First there
were Linux Internet servers. Now you have Database servers.
The offer of desktop applications is growing (see GIMP or
the K Offie project -  see www.koffice.kde.or for snapshots).
And this is only the beginning.

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Sebastian  (02.07.99  15:26):
>Colin Sydes  (07/02/1999 10:42):
>>They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
>>Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
>>a third party product :)
>
>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>different from m$ way.

Not agree.
Linux is Unix in first.
The new way was born in 1973 at AT&T and has many implementations such
as
Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Irix , SCO etc
General difference is FREE distribution of Linux (of course if you use
SRC of
Linux you must do the same).
For the reason Linux has many likers around world and these likers
lifted Linux
to the powerful state.
But if Linux will be on sale - it will eat a pie of MS more slowly :-)
(IMHO)


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>
>Yes but if we are not careful Linux will go the way
>of Unix and we will see Microsofts owned badged version
>of Linux. Where apps only run there and no where else :)

No chance! Open Source and GNU won't allow it. That's
another point to add to the list: there are less chances
that the owner of the OS to impose bad rules (like m$
did).

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Yes but if we are not careful Linux will go the way
of Unix and we will see Microsofts owned badged version
of Linux. Where apps only run there and no where else :)

Regards

Colin Sydes
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Linux List  (7/2/99  2:26 PM):
>Colin Sydes  (07/02/1999 10:42):
>>
>>Let's be honest here. TeamWARE is also driven by
>>commercial interests. They will only port TeamWARE
>>Office to Linux if they can sell it and make profit.
>
>Of course. They are not a charity organization.
>They do bussiness. And they CAN make money on
>Linux. Linux is free, but nobody expects the software
>for Linux to be free too.
>
>>Linux will have to be a good market for TeamWARE to
>>get into. Only major competitor seems to be Lotus.
>
>And he already put a target mark on Linux. Even if
>they don't have any work in progress, they made the
>announcement. 1 - 0 for Lotus.
>Speaking of Lotus: I see many sites "Powered by Lotus"
>TeamWARE could have done this too with very little
>effort.
>
>>But I would not rule out Microsoft getting in on the
>>act. After all they invested $150 Million in Apple to
>>appease the US Justice department. They now have
>>developers working on Apple Mac products.
>
>With the goal of moving people from Apple to m$. They
>can't do the same on Linux. Apple had a big user base.
>Linux is starting now to eat from m$ pie.
>
>>They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
>>Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
>>a third party product :)
>
>To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
>is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
>different from m$ way.
>
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Colin Sydes  (07/02/1999 10:42):
>
>Let's be honest here. TeamWARE is also driven by
>commercial interests. They will only port TeamWARE
>Office to Linux if they can sell it and make profit.

Of course. They are not a charity organization.
They do bussiness. And they CAN make money on
Linux. Linux is free, but nobody expects the software
for Linux to be free too.

>Linux will have to be a good market for TeamWARE to
>get into. Only major competitor seems to be Lotus.

And he already put a target mark on Linux. Even if
they don't have any work in progress, they made the
announcement. 1 - 0 for Lotus.
Speaking of Lotus: I see many sites "Powered by Lotus"
TeamWARE could have done this too with very little
effort.

>But I would not rule out Microsoft getting in on the
>act. After all they invested $150 Million in Apple to
>appease the US Justice department. They now have
>developers working on Apple Mac products.

With the goal of moving people from Apple to m$. They
can't do the same on Linux. Apple had a big user base.
Linux is starting now to eat from m$ pie.

>They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
>Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
>a third party product :)

To UNIX. Not to Linux. There is a big difference. Linux
is more than an OS, it's a new way of thinking, totally
different from m$ way.

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Lets be honest here. TeamWARE is also driven by
commercial interests. They will only port TeamWARE
Office to Linux if they can sell it and make profit.

Without the revenue stream there is no way TeamWARE
can continue to develop the products that they do.

Linux will have to be a good market for TeamWARE to
get into. Only major competitor seems to be Lotus.

But I would not rule out Microsoft getting in on the
act. After all they invested $150 Million in Apple to
appease the US Justice department. They now have
developers working on Apple Mac products.

They also now provide Unix versions of Internet
Explorer. Which they ported from Windows to Unix using
a third party product :)

Regards

Colin Sydes
TeamWARE Group, Helsinki
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Linux List  (7/1/99  5:14 PM):
>Colin Sydes (07/01/1999 17:01):
>
>>It will only be done if TeamWARE can make money
>>out of it and can sell the product. If our current
>>users want it then they should demand it from TeamWARE.
>
>Exactly my point of view!
>
>>Then we would be in a good position to fight Exchange
>>head-to-head. With Lotus coming up fast TeamWARE does
>>not have a lot of time to lose.
>
>In my humble opinion, they already are kind of late.
>It's public record that m$ has big support from ICL.
>And ICL could decide to support Exchange as workgroup
>platform. Then a big market share of TeamWARE will
>go. They need a replacement, a market not driven
>so much by commercial interests, but by quality
>software.
>
>>I would like them to say tomorrow yes we will be porting
>>TeamWARE Office to Linux. Then shout it from the roof tops.
>>That would be something to cheer about.
>
>I would like to believe you :)
>
>>We could start putting all thus 286/386/486 PC's to use as
>>TeamWARE Office servers :)
>
>There you have a point for the list. I'll add it.
>
>>We all need to put a good business case forward for why
>>TeamWARE should do it. Lets start a list right now.
>>
>>First point is:
>>
>>1)  Fast reliable platform
>
>2) Linux is associated with the Internet/Intranet ideea
>3) It's a fast new growing market
>4) It's not driven by shallow bussiness interest (like the
>micro$oft market).
>4) The Linux users are demanding, so TeamWARE will be forced
>to make good products. That means more clients and more money.
>
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Hi Antony & List

I am watching this list with interest.

Good to have TeamWARE people taking part
as well. We are all TeamWARE users after
all.

We should not be afraid to speak frankly
here and I will NOT take any remarks about
TeamWARE as an insult.

The point is to get the discussion going.

Question for Antony. How does Fujitsu see
Linux? Is it a longterm strategic platform
for them?

Regards

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>Antony  Bowesman (07/01/1999 17:13):
>>Hi Sebastian,
>>> What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.
>>
>>I am listening but am a little busy.
>
>Hi! Nice to hear from you again. I'm sure you'll read
>these messages when you'll get some free time. I
>really look forward to your opinions.
>Hope you are not uppset about that remark. It was not
>meant for you, I think you know that.
>
>Keep in touch.
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Antony  Bowesman (07/01/1999 17:13):
>Hi Sebastian,
>> What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.
>
>I am listening but am a little busy.

Hi! Nice to hear from you again. I'm sure you'll read
these messages when you'll get some free time. I
really look forward to your opinions.
Hope you are not uppset about that remark. It was not
meant for you, I think you know that.

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Maxine (07/01/1999 17:09):
>Hello
>I'm very interested in your discussion here.  I'm part of the TeamWARE
>Marketing team.  TeamWARE have in the past looked into a Linux port.  A list as
>of advantages as you have described in addition to the reasons why you would
>like to see TeamWARE ported onto Linux would help us understand your needs
>better.
>Maxine

Welcome again!

We are working on a list right now. Maybe we will even get a
memo in the end after all.

Can you tell us which where the reasons for not finishing
the Linux port? And, in general, if you have any opinion
on the subject, feel free to drop in anytime. We would
like to have some feed-back from TeamWARE too. Nothing
official, just friendly discussions.

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Colin Sydes (07/01/1999 17:01):

>It will only be done if TeamWARE can make money
>out of it and can sell the product. If our current
>users want it then they should demand it from TeamWARE.

Exactly my point of view!

>Then we would be in a good position to fight Exchange
>head-to-head. With Lotus coming up fast TeamWARE does
>not have a lot of time to lose.

In my humble opinion, they already are kind of late.
It's public record that m$ has big support from ICL.
And ICL could decide to support Exchange as workgroup
platform. Then a big market share of TeamWARE will
go. They need a replacement, a market not driven
so much by commercial interests, but by quality
software.

>I would like them to say tomorrow yes we will be porting
>TeamWARE Office to Linux. Then shout it from the roof tops.
>That would be something to cheer about.

I would like to believe you :)

>We could start putting all thus 286/386/486 PC's to use as
>TeamWARE Office servers :)

There you have a point for the list. I'll add it.

>We all need to put a good business case forward for why
>TeamWARE should do it. Lets start a list right now.
>
>First point is:
>
>1)  Fast reliable platform

2) Linux is associated with the Internet/Intranet ideea
3) It's a fast new growing market
4) It's not driven by shallow bussiness interest (like the
micro$oft market).
4) The Linux users are demanding, so TeamWARE will be forced
to make good products. That means more clients and more money.

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Hi Sebastian,

> There are a few - (very few). Can't say the names, I
> respect their privacy. But they are free to say open
> if they are listening.

> What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.

I am listening but am a little busy.
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Hello
I'm very interested in your discussion here.  I'm part of the TeamWARE
Marketing team.  TeamWARE have in the past looked into a Linux port.  A
list as
of advantages as you have described in addition to the reasons why you
would
like to see TeamWARE ported onto Linux would help us understand your
needs
better.
Maxine

Linux List  (01/07/99  16:48):
Dimitry (07/01/1999 16:28):
>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:46):
>>I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
>>"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
>>port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
>>consider it".
>
>How many guys from TeamWare are reading the list ?
>The flame is not for Hannu - it's for market man.

There are a few - (very few). Can't say the names, I
respect their privacy. But they are free to say open
if they are listening.

>>Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
>>to TeamWARE. What do you think?
>
>I think it change nothing.
>It's a question out of our competence.

Not quite. If we present something close enough to a
bussiness case, that should get their attention.

Anyway, there is something else bothering me: we seem
to be the only ones talking here.

What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.

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Hello

Well I would like to say yes we will port Office
to Linux. But thats not a decision I can make.

It will only be done if TeamWARE can make money
out of it and can sell the product. If our current
users want it then they should demand it from TeamWARE.

Then we would be in a good position to fight Exchange
head-to-head. With Lotus coming up fast TeamWARE does
not have a lot of time to lose.

I would like them to say tomorrow yes we will be porting
TeamWARE Office to Linux. Then shout it from the roof tops.
That would be something to cheer about.

We could start putting all thus 286/386/486 PC's to use as
TeamWARE Office servers :)

We all need to put a good business case forward for why
TeamWARE should do it. Lets start a list right now.

First point is:

1)  Fast reliable platform


Regards

Colin Sydes
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>Dimitry (07/01/1999 16:28):
>>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:46):
>>>I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
>>>"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
>>>port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
>>>consider it".
>>
>>How many guys from TeamWare are reading the list ?
>>The flame is not for Hannu - it's for market man.
>
>There are a few - (very few). Can't say the names, I
>respect their privacy. But they are free to say open
>if they are listening.
>
>>>Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
>>>to TeamWARE. What do you think?
>>
>>I think it change nothing.
>>It's a question out of our competence.
>
>Not quite. If we present something close enough to a
>bussiness case, that should get their attention.
>
>Anyway, there is something else bothering me: we seem
>to be the only ones talking here.
>
>What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.
>
>Sebastian
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Dimitry (07/01/1999 16:28):
>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:46):
>>I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
>>"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
>>port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
>>consider it".
>
>How many guys from TeamWare are reading the list ?
>The flame is not for Hannu - it's for market man.

There are a few - (very few). Can't say the names, I
respect their privacy. But they are free to say open
if they are listening.

>>Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
>>to TeamWARE. What do you think?
>
>I think it change nothing.
>It's a question out of our competence.

Not quite. If we present something close enough to a
bussiness case, that should get their attention.

Anyway, there is something else bothering me: we seem
to be the only ones talking here.

What are the others doing? They can't be THAT busy.

Sebastian
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Hi there

I am reading the list, But nothing really to
add yet as just getting a feel for the list :)

Regards

Colin Sydes
TeamWARE Group, Helsinki


Linux List  (7/1/99  4:28 PM):
>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:46):
>>I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
>>"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
>>port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
>>consider it".
>
>How many guys from TeamWare are reading the list ?
>The flame is not for Hannu - it's for market man.
>
>>Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
>>to TeamWARE. What do you think?
>
>I think it change nothing.
>It's a question out of our competence.
>
>--
>
>Best rgds,                      Dimitry
>
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>Ukrainian Computer Laboratory   nic-hdl: DYA7-RIPE
>
>

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Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:46):
>I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
>"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
>port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
>consider it".

How many guys from TeamWare are reading the list ?
The flame is not for Hannu - it's for market man.

>Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
>to TeamWARE. What do you think?

I think it change nothing.
It's a question out of our competence.

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Dimitry (07/01/1999 15:24):
>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:00):
>>Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
>>>I have some skills with SCO 3.2, Unixware 2.1 and SCO OS 5.3
>>>These systems are not for networking and internetworking - they are only good
>>>as isolated servers.
>>
>>I probably have less experience than you with them, but
>>I have some ideea about SCO can do. What exactly do you
>>think makes it unfit for networking?
>
>Bugs in TCP/IP subsystem. If root NSes are unavailable or the system has many
>network interfaces
>you will see strange things sometimes.
>In one word these systems are unstable in TCP/IP sense

I can't argue, I don't have the expertise. And you sound
like you know what you're talking about. So Linux is best
suited. I haven't heard about bugs in Linux TCP/IP. Works
for me!

>>And what do you think about Linux from this point of view?
>
>I can repeat one more - Linux is best unix from SVR4 family.
>I like Solaris but in Intel servers I like Linux too ;-)
>
>>TeamWARE would make a smart decision to go Linux. After
>>all, Linux has a long-time experience as a Internet and
>>Intranet server. Putting Office and Security Server on top
>>of this is a natural thing to do.
>
>One example - VPN, created by TW ISS, can be created by FREE software under
>Linux too
>(but there is impossible to connect clients, only server-to-server)

TeamWARE is good, and we are trying to promote it. I don't
deny that there are good freeware applications, but TeamWARE
is good too.

I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
consider it".

Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
to TeamWARE. What do you think?

Sebastian
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Dimitry (07/01/1999 15:24):
>Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:00):
>>Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
>>>I have some skills with SCO 3.2, Unixware 2.1 and SCO OS 5.3
>>>These systems are not for networking and internetworking - they are only good
>>>as isolated servers.
>>
>>I probably have less experience than you with them, but
>>I have some ideea about SCO can do. What exactly do you
>>think makes it unfit for networking?
>
>Bugs in TCP/IP subsystem. If root NSes are unavailable or the system has many
>network interfaces
>you will see strange things sometimes.
>In one word these systems are unstable in TCP/IP sense

I can't argue, I don't have the expertise. And you sound
like you know what you're talking about. So Linux is best
suited. I haven't heard about bugs in Linux TCP/IP. Works
for me!

>>And what do you think about Linux from this point of view?
>
>I can repeat one more - Linux is best unix from SVR4 family.
>I like Solaris but in Intel servers I like Linux too ;-)
>
>>TeamWARE would make a smart decision to go Linux. After
>>all, Linux has a long-time experience as a Internet and
>>Intranet server. Putting Office and Security Server on top
>>of this is a natural thing to do.
>
>One example - VPN, created by TW ISS, can be created by FREE software under
>Linux too
>(but there is impossible to connect clients, only server-to-server)

TeamWARE is good, and we are trying to promote it. I don't
deny that there are good freeware applications, but TeamWARE
is good too.

I'm intrigued that no one from TeamWARE stood up and say:
"Guys we will/won't go Linux" or "Guys, if you want Linux
port, tell us how this will bring us more money, and will
consider it".

Maybe we should make a list of advantages and send it
to TeamWARE. What do you think?

Sebastian
E-mail: proteus@...

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Sebastian  (01.07.99  16:00):
>Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
>>I have some skills with SCO 3.2, Unixware 2.1 and SCO OS 5.3
>>These systems are not for networking and internetworking - they are only good
>>as isolated servers.
>
>I probably have less experience than you with them, but
>I have some ideea about SCO can do. What exactly do you
>think makes it unfit for networking?

Bugs in TCP/IP subsystem. If root NSes are unavailable or the system has
many
network interfaces
you will see strange things sometimes.
In one word these systems are unstable in TCP/IP sense

>And what do you think about Linux from this point of view?

I can repeat one more - Linux is best unix from SVR4 family.
I like Solaris but in Intel servers I like Linux too ;-)

>TeamWARE would make a smart decision to go Linux. After
>all, Linux has a long-time experience as a Internet and
>Intranet server. Putting Office and Security Server on top
>of this is a natural thing to do.

One example - VPN, created by TW ISS, can be created by FREE software
under
Linux too
(but there is impossible to connect clients, only server-to-server)


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Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
>I have some skills with SCO 3.2, Unixware 2.1 and SCO OS 5.3
>These systems are not for networking and internetworking - they are only good
>as isolated servers.

I probably have less experience than you with them, but
I have some ideea about SCO can do. What exactly do you
think makes it unfit for networking?

And what do you think about Linux from this point of view?

>>>And what about R/3 from SAP for Linux ? It work ....
>>
>>That was one of the best successes for Linux. Maybe
>>the biggest. I just don't have any qoute from Linus
>>regarding this :)
>>
>>But when you see giants like SAP, Informix, Oracle,
>>SCO, IBM and many, many others betting their money
>>on Linux, that means something. It's not about a bunch
>>of fanatics anymore. We're talking bussiness (big time)
>>and market shares. And TeamWARE can't ignore that.
>
>100% agreed

TeamWARE would make a smart decision to go Linux. After
all, Linux has a long-time experience as a Internet and
Intranet server. Putting Office and Security Server on top
of this is a natural thing to do.

Sebastian
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Sebastian  (01.07.99  15:42):
  >Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
  >>Sebastian  (01.07.99  15:10):
  >>>Speaking of Micro$oft: they are pushing very hard
  >>>Exchange now, so there is no safety for TeamWARE
  >>>in Windows world (I think). So why not Linux? Or
  >>>even SCO. After all, TeamWARE camed from the Unix
  >>>world. Sometimes is good to go back to the roots.
  >>
  >>SCO is not for network deals as it went nowhere.
  >
  >I don't quite agree. I still think SCO is a very good
  >application server. And it has very good reputation,
  >as it was proved in many mission critical systems.
  >But I digress.

  I have some skills with SCO 3.2, Unixware 2.1 and SCO OS 5.3
  These systems are not for networking and internetworking - they are only good
  as isolated servers.

  >>And what about R/3 from SAP for Linux ? It work ....
  >
  >That was one of the best successes for Linux. Maybe
  >the biggest. I just don't have any qoute from Linus
  >regarding this :)
  >
  >But when you see giants like SAP, Informix, Oracle,
  >SCO, IBM and many, many others betting their money
  >on Linux, that means something. It's not about a bunch
  >of fanatics anymore. We're talking bussiness (big time)
  >and market shares. And TeamWARE can't ignore that.

  100% agreed

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Dimitry (07/01/1999 14:23):
  >Sebastian  (01.07.99  15:10):
  >>Does anyone has any information regarding a Linux
  >>port of TW products? Or care to make any comments
  >>regardind this matter?
  >>
  >>I think Lotus Notes on Linux will be launched soon.
  >>They made a promise for this many months ago. I
  >>don't want to see TeamWARE in the same position
  >>as Informix. Informix made the first Linux port
  >>of a serious database. But Oracle advertised more,
  >>and now they are credited to be the first major
  >>RDBMS on Linux. And they don't even have good Linux
  >>support, like Informix does. But their sales force
  >>has the same power as the one from Micro$oft.
  >>
  >>Speaking of Micro$oft: they are pushing very hard
  >>Exchange now, so there is no safety for TeamWARE
  >>in Windows world (I think). So why not Linux? Or
  >>even SCO. After all, TeamWARE camed from the Unix
  >>world. Sometimes is good to go back to the roots.
  >
  >SCO is not for network deals as it went nowhere.

  I don't quite agree. I still think SCO is a very good
  application server. And it has very good reputation,
  as it was proved in many mission critical systems.
  But I digress.

  >>Don't forget: Linux is here to stay. Remember the
  >>words of Linus: "Informix on Linux? This changes
  >>everything!"
  >
  >And what about R/3 from SAP for Linux ? It work ....

  That was one of the best successes for Linux. Maybe
  the biggest. I just don't have any qoute from Linus
  regarding this :)

  But when you see giants like SAP, Informix, Oracle,
  SCO, IBM and many, many others betting their money
  on Linux, that means something. It's not about a bunch
  of fanatics anymore. We're talking bussiness (big time)
  and market shares. And TeamWARE can't ignore that.

  Sebastian
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Sebasrtian Avarvarei  (01.07.99  15:10):
  >Does anyone has any information regarding a Linux
  >port of TW products? Or care to make any comments
  >regardind this matter?
  >
  >I think Lotus Notes on Linux will be launched soon.
  >They made a promise for this many months ago. I
  >don't want to see TeamWARE in the same position
  >as Informix. Informix made the first Linux port
  >of a serious database. But Oracle advertised more,
  >and now they are credited to be the first major
  >RDBMS on Linux. And they don't even have good Linux
  >support, like Informix does. But their sales force
  >has the same power as the one from Micro$oft.
  >
  >Speaking of Micro$oft: they are pushing very hard
  >Exchange now, so there is no safety for TeamWARE
  >in Windows world (I think). So why not Linux? Or
  >even SCO. After all, TeamWARE camed from the Unix
  >world. Sometimes is good to go back to the roots.

  SCO is not for network deals as it went nowhere.

  >Don't forget: Linux is here to stay. Remember the
  >words of Linus: "Informix on Linux? This changes
  >everything!"

  And what about R/3 from SAP for Linux ? It work ....

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(Sebastian Paul Avarvarei):
Hello!

  Does anyone has any information regarding a Linux
  port of TW products? Or care to make any comments
  regardind this matter?

  I think Lotus Notes on Linux will be launched soon.
  They made a promise for this many months ago. I
  don't want to see TeamWARE in the same position
  as Informix. Informix made the first Linux port
  of a serious database. But Oracle advertised more,
  and now they are credited to be the first major
  RDBMS on Linux. And they don't even have good Linux
  support, like Informix does. But their sales force
  has the same power as the one from Micro$oft.

  Speaking of Micro$oft: they are pushing very hard
  Exchange now, so there is no safety for TeamWARE
  in Windows world (I think). So why not Linux? Or
  even SCO. After all, TeamWARE camed from the Unix
  world. Sometimes is good to go back to the roots.

  Don't forget: Linux is here to stay. Remember the
  words of Linus: "Informix on Linux? This changes
  everything!"

  Best regards,
  Sebastian Paul A.
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