Dear listmember,


UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!

Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
longer functional.

Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group list.



Regards,

Keith

- List Owner

May 25 2007 -

UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!

Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
longer functional.

Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group.



Keith

- List Owner

Hi Keith,

         Thanks for the good news.
         'See you there.

         Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] UFODISCUSSION has reopened.


Dear listmember,

UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!

Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
longer functional.

Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group list.

Regards,

Keith

- List Owner

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Keith: I just moved to Bolivar and using library computer until we get
one for the house. I will keep in touch as much as possible. My site is
www.worldfreedomtourinfo.com  Thank you, Shane Eden


:P





>From: "Keith" <kmskywatch@...>
>Reply-To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
>To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ufodiscussion] Ufodicussion has reopened
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:22:43 -0000
>
>May 25 2007 -
>
>UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!
>
>Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
>posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
>longer functional.
>
>Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group.
>
>
>
>Keith
>
>- List Owner
>

Shane where the heck are you?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: shane eden
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: shanesmusic@...
   Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:57 PM
   Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Ufodicussion has reopened



   Hello Keith: I just moved to Bolivar and using library computer until we get
   one for the house. I will keep in touch as much as possible. My site is
   www.worldfreedomtourinfo.com Thank you, Shane Eden

   :P

   >From: "Keith" <kmskywatch@...>
   >Reply-To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   >To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   >Subject: [ufodiscussion] Ufodicussion has reopened
   >Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:22:43 -0000
   >
   >May 25 2007 -
   >
   >UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!
   >
   >Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
   >posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
   >longer functional.
   >
   >Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group.
   >
   >
   >
   >Keith
   >
   >- List Owner
   >





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> For Info,
> Bre.
> Unite Our Worlds.
>
>
>> From http://www.ufodisclosure.com <http://www.ufodisclosure.com> .
>> Roswell UFO crash witness Col. Jesse Marcel Jr., who made his
>> subsequent career as a medical doctor in the US Air Force, is about
>> to publish an explosive new book about it, for the upcoming 60th
>> anniversary commemoration.
>>
>>
>>
>> A Discussion With Col. Jesse Marcel Jr.
>> by Thomas Horn
>>
>> Editors note: This is the second in a special series of Raiders
>> NewsNetwork.com interviews focusing on the 60th Anniversary of the
>> 1947 Roswell, New Mexico UFO Incident. Tom Horn is joined by Col.
>> Jesse Marcel Jr., whose highly anticipated new book "The Roswell
>> Legacy," is being released at the Roswell Festival this year (July
>> 5-8 http://www.roswellufofestival.com/
>> <http://www.roswellufofestival.com/>). Col. Marcel's book claims that
>> the famous UFO event near the city actually occurred, including the
>> recovery of an extraterrestrial craft. Col. Marcel's father, Maj.
>> Jesse Marcel Sr. was the lead military investigator into the crash of
>> 1947 and is finally vindicated according to this book.
>>
>> HORN: Col. Marcel, it is so good to speak with you again. Thank you
>> for taking time to talk to us about Roswell and your new book. You
>> will be speaking and on some panels at Roswell this year. One
>> question or correction. I note in the past we had the title of your
>> book as "Roswell: It Really Happened", but I see it advertised
>> elsewhere now as "The Roswell Legacy". Has the book title been changed?
>>
>> MARCEL: The book has evolved with time. As I was writing it, I
>> realized that Legacy was more appropriate than what really happened.
>> The title of the book is "The Roswell Legacy."
>>
>> HORN: This is the 60th anniversary. Does it feel that long ago to you?
>>
>> MARCEL: It is hard to believe that 60 years have passed on the
>> calendar. It seems like yesterday to me to use a cliché'.
>>
>> HORN: As the only man alive who the government admits handled
>> material from the debris field in 1947, material your dad let you and
>> your mother see as he stopped off at home on his way back to the
>> base, how did that night effect you. It changed the course of UFOlogy
>> and put Roswell and your family on the map.
>>
>> MARCEL: It was then that I realized that our civilization was not
>> alone certainly in the galaxy and that we were in fact being visited
>> by others more advanced because they could get here from where ever
>> they come from. I took it to mean that we were being studied from a
>> scientifically curious race just as we would be curious about other
>> life forms on our planet.
>>
>> HORN: Col. Blanchard authorized a press release saying the military
>> had recovered a flying disc. I assume he had some facts about what
>> was recovered before he allowed the press release.
>>
>> MARCEL: Certainly he had been briefed by my dad as to the true nature
>> of the debris and that it represented an artifact from elsewhere
>> which went along with all of the unusual sightings seen in the skies
>> at that time.
>>
>> HORN: Your father was ordered to load the debris onto a B-29 which
>> was then flown to Wright Field and that is where General Roger Ramey
>> took over. Correct.
>>
>> MARCEL: He took a small representative portion of the debris for
>> General Ramey's inspection and I am convinced that he realized that
>> this was too big of a story to be unleashed on the public at that time.
>>
>> HORN: What happened then?
>>
>> MARCEL: My dad was told to participate in the cover story. And when
>> he came home he sat my mother and myself down and said in no
>> uncertain terms that we were never to discuss what we had seen. I
>> later recalled him stating that he was part of the cover up.
>>
>> HORN: Let me ask something more personal. What was your dad's
>> qualifications to evaluate a crash site?
>>
>> MARCEL: He was the intelligence officer for the 509th and had
>> training in aircraft accident investigation and in addition he had
>> gone to radar school so he was familiar with the types of radar
>> targets used on weather balloons etc. He was a natural to have been
>> sent out on the initial investigation of the debris.
>>
>> HORN: The material your dad brought home. Tell us what you saw.
>>
>> MARCEL: He had pre-positioned the debris on the kitchen floor so my
>> mother and I could realize the unusual nature of the debris. What we
>> saw was something certainly different from mundane material. I have
>> described the debris itself many times so I don't know if you want
>> that repeated here.
>>
>> [EDITOR'S NOTE: Jesse Marcel Jr.?s first published recollections of
>> the debris was that they were composed of: "...foil-like stuff, very
>> thin, metallic-like but not metal, and very tough. There was also
>> some structural-like material too - beams and so on. Also a quantity
>> of black plastic material which looked organic in nature...Imprinted
>> along the edge of some of the beam remnants there were
>> hieroglyphic-type characters. I recently questioned my father about
>> this, and he recalled seeing these characters also and even described
>> them as being a pink or purplish-pink color. Egyptian hieroglyphics
>> would be a close visual description of the characters seen, except I
>> don't think there were any animal figures present as there are in
>> true Egyptian hieroglyphics," (Berlitz, Charles and William Moore.
>> The Roswell Incident. New York: Berkley, 1988, pgs 78-80]
>>
>> HORN: You are a military man too. Have you ever saw anything that
>> matches those materials?
>>
>> MARCEL: As a flight surgeon, I was trained myself in aircraft
>> accident investigations and have never seen anything that would match
>> the debris.
>>
>> HORN: What about the theory that this was a Mogul balloon?
>>
>> MARCEL: A balloon is a balloon and the Mogul balloon had a classified
>> mission, but it used off the shelf materials that was not unique.
>>
>> HORN: Did you ever see the movie "Roswell"? Were you and the other
>> events portrayed accurately in it?
>>
>> MARCEL: For the most part it reflected what happened, there was of
>> course some poetic license in depicting the event.
>> HORN: Last year in McMinnville you told me an interesting story about
>> a trip to Washington where you wound up in the dungeons of the
>> Capital building talking to somebody I believe was later identified
>> as Dick D'Amato, an aide to Sen. Robert Byrd, who wanted to know
>> where the Roswell UFO debris were. Tell us that story.
>>
>> MARCEL: It was there that I was told that the event was not fiction.
>> I don't know if you want me to go into the story again as I have
>> related it many times. I am sorry that Mr. D'Amato's name came out
>> because hopefully this would not cause any difficulties for him.
>>
>> [EDITOR'S NOTE: To this day Jesse Marcel doesn't know how the
>> participants in DC knew where he would be at that particular time.
>> When he arrived at his motel, there was a message waiting for him on
>> the phone in his room. It was from Dick D'Amato. He wanted to meet
>> with Marcel the following day at 1:PM in a certain room at the
>> Capital building. Marcel felt uneasy, but agreed to go to the
>> meeting. On arrival, he was ushered into D'Amato's office, who got
>> right down to business. He wanted to talk to Marcel about Roswell,
>> and he asked if Jess would be more comfortable "in a secure room."
>> When Marcel explained that he wouldn't be saying anything he hadn't
>> said before, D'Amato pressed the idea of the alternate meeting area,
>> explaining, "Well, maybe I want to tell you something you don't
>> already know."
>>
>> Leaving the office, they proceeded to the secure room where no
>> listening devices existed, in an area Jess described as "the dungeons
>> of the Capital building." They sat at a table where Marcel noticed a
>> book about Alien Abductions, UFO technology and Roswell. D'Amato
>> tapped on the book with his finger and said outright, "This is not
>> fiction." He continued talking for a while and then asked Marcel if
>> he knew where the material recovered from the Roswell ranch was being
>> kept. Jesse found the question curious and said, "No. Don't you?"
>> D'Amato's answer was as enigmatic as the question, so Marcel
>> responded with a inquiry of his own: "If extraterrestrial activity is
>> real, and you guys know it, when is the government planning Official
>> Disclosure of what really happened at Roswell?" D'Amato said, "If it
>> was up to me, we'd be doing it now" (as told to Tom Horn by Jesse
>> Marcel Jr. in a 2006 interview. At that time, Jesse did not use Mr.
>> D'Amato's name)].
>>
>> HORN: I know that you are a spiritual man. How do you reconcile the
>> idea of intelligent life somewhere else in the universe with your
>> personal faith?
>>
>> MARCEL: It strengthened my faith in God because His Creation is
>> greater than anyone realized by populating the Universe with many
>> different civilizations.
>>
>> HORN: A lot of people are saying we are getting close to an official
>> disclosure event from either the US Government or maybe the United
>> Nations concerning some evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence.
>> Other people point to the discovery of extra solar planets like
>> Gliese 581 that was found recently that might be able to sustain
>> life. What can you tell us, or what do you suspect, with regard to
>> official disclosure?
>>
>> MARCEL: It just confirms what I already new. It is only a question of
>> time before a radio signal will be picked up by the SETI team and
>> that will probably be the catalyst for our government to make the big
>> announcement.
>>
>> HORN: Any surprises in this new book?
>>
>> MARCEL: It confirms the qualifications of my dad and proves he was
>> who he was and that he knew what he was talking about.
>>
>> HORN Where can people get a copy of your new book?
>>
>> MARCEL: We plan on releasing it at Roswell for the 60th anniversary
>> of the event.
>>
>> HORN: Thanks Jess for talking to us again. I'll be in Roswell this
>> year and hope to see you again.
>>
>> VISIT THE UFO DISCLOSURE WEB SITE
>> http://www.ufodisclosure.com <http://www.ufodisclosure.com>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 26/05/2007
10:47 a.m.
>>


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Hi Regan,


Good to hear from you. :)


Regards,

Keith


--- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, REGAN POWER
<soulsearcher_22@...> wrote:
>
>         Hi Keith,
>
>         Thanks for the good news.
>         'See you there.
>
>         Regan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:19 AM
> Subject: [ufodiscussion] UFODISCUSSION has reopened.
>
>
> Dear listmember,
>
> UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!
>
> Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
> posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
> longer functional.
>
> Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Keith
>
> - List Owner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Shane,


How is Bolivia? :)

Yeah. Although, it's a good service that libraries provide to increase
equatability, even though practical access can be a problem at times.

What is with the cheeky smiley face?? <g> :)


Regards,

Keith


--- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "shane eden" <shanesmusic@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hello Keith: I just moved to Bolivar and using library computer
until we get
> one for the house. I will keep in touch as much as possible. My site is
> www.worldfreedomtourinfo.com  Thank you, Shane Eden
>
>
> :P
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Keith" <kmskywatch@...>
> >Reply-To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> >To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [ufodiscussion] Ufodicussion has reopened
> >Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:22:43 -0000
> >
> >May 25 2007 -
> >
> >UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!
> >
> >Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
> >posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
> >longer functional.
> >
> >Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group.
> >
> >
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >- List Owner
> >
>

Keith , Ted here, this site will be sent to me. Remember that might sight isn't
quite like most others. If not please advise , on how to receive your postings.

Thanks , Ted
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:43 AM
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: UFODISCUSSION has reopened


   Hi Regan,

   Good to hear from you. :)

   Regards,

   Keith

   --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, REGAN POWER
   <soulsearcher_22@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi Keith,
   >
   > Thanks for the good news.
   > 'See you there.
   >
   > Regan
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Keith
   > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:19 AM
   > Subject: [ufodiscussion] UFODISCUSSION has reopened.
   >
   >
   > Dear listmember,
   >
   > UFODISCUSSION IS NOW OPEN FOR POSTING!
   >
   > Due to changing circumstances, I have decided to reopen the group for
   > posting. The group http://www.phpbb88.com/investigations/ is now no
   > longer functional.
   >
   > Look forward to you posting on and/or reading the group list.
   >
   > Regards,
   >
   > Keith
   >
   > - List Owner
   >
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   >





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"Fathers of the zodiac tracked down"

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1139

"Fathers of the zodiac tracked down"

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1139

Cross post.

Reptoid ~ wrote:
> A whole generation has been brought up with the term "UFO" (aka: "The flew
> across the sky, much faster than my airplane, at a very high rate of speed,
> like saucers skipping across the water..." Washington sighting witness 1947)
> and has been aclimatized to such possibillities.  In 1987, 40 years after
> "the Roswell incident" (Mass sighting and crash retrival project birthing
> the "MJ12" or "Majic twelve" group) still only a small percentage of those
> polled believed it even possible that visitors from far off worlds (where
> life may potentially exist) could even get to earth, let alone be actually
> visiting our people on a regular basis, where life cleary exists somewhere
> in the deepest reaches of the outtermost arm the this particular "milky way"
> galaxy.  Anyone born before the Roswell incident might never have even heard
> the term "UFO" or "extraterrestrial" in their entire lives, and never seen
> such a fantastic notion upon the silver screen as "entertainment".  Those of
> us born after Roswell have at the very least seen the movies about such
> themes of ET contact and so on, like Close encounters of the 3rd kind
> (1970's), which was based upon documented reports collected by the US
> government under the name "Project: Bluebook", which concluded,
> interestingly, that "these flying objects are of no threat to national
> security", but they would never officially state that they had discovered
> some of the most incredible things about these very same craft from other
> crash retrieval sites or the bodies found at some of these same locations.
> The military in most countries has a VERY strict policy against ever
> mentioning even having seen one of these craft let one its occupants once
> they've been indoctrinated into such a sensitive area of the government and
> it's assorted programs which rate their budgets some of the highest paid
> positions in the world.  There is no doubt that the growing generational
> paradigm that we are all facing is of intense interest to not only just the
> silent government agents and projects of this planet's assorted countries,
> but of its citizens.  In 2000 already the figures have shifted from "not
> very likely, but possible" to "Most likely, but it frightens me to think any
> further about it" when asked the same questions from 1987 regarding possible
> extraterrestrial contact.  And now that we are in 2007, there are very few
> people left who have NOT grown up with the terms UFO and ET as part of their
> common dialoge and most people appear ready to take the next logical step -
> direct contact.  We are the generation which has been groomed for the
> possibillity of extreaterrestrial consciousness in assorted ways by our own
> hand, through our art, movies, radio and TV programs, UFO discussion
> meetings and lectures that number in the hundreds with thousands in
> attendance across the world every year, including doctors, lawyers, nuclear
> physicists, and even astronauts... and these facts have been stimulated by
> the sheer number of UFO sightings and other direct contact stories first
> hand.  Whole agencies are dedicated to the study of "ET contactees" and the
> data that is shared between these possible "ETs" and ourselves.  Not in the
> last 2000 years has such an intense wave of ET consciousness been such an
> intense part of our daily lives, and it happened all within one generation
> of human kind's existance.  The hundreds of thousands of reports from very
> credible witnesses alone should be enough, when the facts sink in for the
> first time and are fully understood by the reader, to change one's sense of
> place within the infinite cosmos around us. We are clearly not alone, and
> there are very few of us left who truly believe we are.  They are the last
> of the few perhaps, and they are about to become extinct.  We have been
> primed for open, full blown contact with extraterrestrials, and whether any
> world governments wish it or not, the entities who direct these UFOs can
> clearly come and go as they please, circumnavigating every new technology
> that we develop or steal from the crashed saucers that still happen today
> every so often.  Shall the governments of the world continue their cover-up
> programs and disinformation about our place in the universe, or shall the
> ever patient ETs who have so gingerly prepared our minds over one short
> period in history for open contact, soon make their permanent appearance in
> our skies and perhaps knock on our front door one day soon?  It seems
> inevitable, based upon all data provided, that we were only fooling
> ourselves when we used to assume that the universe was black, silent, devoid
> of life elsewhere... we were foolish to asusme such - but we didn't even
> understand our own planet and lives, let alone our true history which we are
> still uncovering regarding ancient world sightings of perhaps similar craft
> - some of which are ven mentioned in the Bible itself.  We are older and
> wiser now... at least we'd better be - fooling aroud with extraterrestrial
> people more advanced than us is not a wise idea, as would be shooting down
> their craft on a regular basis.  Surely these ongoing crashed saucers are
> all due to ET pilot error... at least us citizens better hope that's the
> case, or we may be in for a rather large retalitory action one day - and
> that act is even beyond the scope of this writer.  Perhaps we are not judged
> by the actions of our assorted governments but by the actions of ourselves,
> the common individual and our daily lives... how we conduct ourselves with
> each other, whether we "believe" in their existance or not.  Any advanced
> race must know at LEAST as much as we do about our planet and its people by
> now... it's been at least 60 years since Roswell - but there are probably
> still a few remaining sceptics who will no doubt look at this video clip and
> the hundreds of other reports in the main stream media with direct evidence
> and do their best to not think about it.  Fear is a most powerful force -
> perhaps that's why these beings are taking so long to make a landing in the
> first place... not due to their fear of us, but no doubt our fear of the
> remote possibillity that they might even exist.  Are you ready for contact?
> If not, your children will surely be - of this I have nothing but the most
> absolute of certainty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------
>
> M Y FRIENDS...HERE IS THE LATEST...ON PERU..
> DERREL
>
>
> Dear friends:
> I send you the translation to English of the my report referring to
> the first massive sighting ufo in Peru , recording in video; as well
> as some links referring to my "33 Project", that is the first integral
> scientific study on the phenomenon ufo in Peru .
> Greetings
> Dr
> Anthony Choy
>
> ufoperu@hotmail. com
> .
> anthonychoy33@ yahoo.com
>
> ufoperu@gmail. com
>
>
>
> 33 PROJECT :
> 1st. Integral Scientific Study on the Phenomenon
> Ufo in Peru
> First registered Massive Sighting in Peru
> PRELIMINAR REPORT
> 1RA.PARTE
> By: Dr. Anthony Choy
> Independent Researcher
> Founder Member of the Office of Investigation of Aerial Anomalous
> Phenomena (OIFAA) of the Air Force of Peru
> E-mails : ufoperu@hotmail. com
> ovniperu333@ yahoo.com
> anthonychoy33@ yahoo.com
>
> SEE INTERVIEWS AND VIDEOS (Spanish) in
> -Newspaper El Comercio www.elcomercioperu. com To push CTRL + click
> in :
>
> http://www.elcomerc ioperu.com. pe/EdicionImpres a/Html/2007- 04-
> 13/ImEcCronicas0706
> 622.html
>
> -Digital Newspaper WWW.PERU.COM To push CTRL + click in :
>
> WWW.PERU.COM/ NOTICIAS/ IDOCS/2007/ 5/25/DETALLEDOCU MENTO_410657. asp
>
> -Newspaper WWW.PERU21.COM To push CTRL + clic in :
>
> www.peru21.com/ impreso/html/ 2007-05-15/ imp2entrevista07 22859.html
>
> -Video of the sighting : To push CTRL + clic in:
>
> *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkNdXncScmY ***
>
> Report : Sunday May 20 2007
>
> Photograms : ATV Canal
> 9 Lima Perú
>
> List of Credits
>
> Authors of the recording in video:
> Erick Schreiber y R. Monsefú..
> Jobs: Cameramans de ATV Andina de Radiodifusión – Canal 9 of Lima, Perú.
> Date of the sighting :
> Sunday, May 20, 2007.
> Place of the recording in video of the sighting: Arequipa Ave. ,
> district San Isidro , Lima , Perú.
> Local Hour: 14:00 (19:00 GMT)
>
>
> Details of the event
>
> By: Dr. Anthony Choy
>
> >From end of November of the 2006, I began to receive reports about
> massive sightings of ufos, from the zone of Acho and Central Market,
> in the downtown of Lima .
> However, in afternoon of this last Sunday twenty of May of the 2007,
> it began to get information which from midday, strange white spheres
> were being on the sky of Lima , Peru .
> The reports came from the districts of Lima , from Surco (Surco
> Viejo), San Isidro , and the donwtown of Lima . Indeed the journalist
> Francisco Landauro of ATV News, (TV Station) was in this last zone
> when he noticed that tens of people watched the sky.
> What they observed they were thirty white balls of light, that gave
> the impression to form geometric figures. Immediately he called to its
> tv station, Canal 9, so that they registered the images.
> Surprised by the unusual fact, the cameramans of ATV News, Erick
> Schreiber and R. Monsefú; they began to record around the 2 p.m.,
> about of half an hour.
> Nevertheless the phenomenon came showing from the noon, reason why it
> calculates that it lasted near , since two hours and half an hour,
> after this time slowly they were disappearing.
>
> PRELIMINARY ANALISIS
>
>
> 1. - According to the video of near 30 minutes of duration and the
> declaration of witnesses, which can be seen are between 30 to 50
> physical manifestations, similars to spheres of white color, of
> unknown origin, very near one of which they were immovable, near two
> hours and half an hour, without emitting noise or sound some, to an
> approximated height of 2.000 meters (data to verify), that they were
> seen from different points from the capital.
>
> 2. - According to law, the Dirección General de Aviación Civil (DGAC),
> maximum authority of civil aeronautica in Peru, is the one in charge
> to authorize in zones of the airspace from Lima, the flight of
> airships with advertising, scientific aims or of another nature.
> Nevertheless according to the video, the objects did not
> "commercialize" anything, nor no scientific institution has demanded
> the responsibility of this massive aerial presence, until the moment.
>
> 3. - Either CORPAC, has not been pronounced about if the radar of the
> International Airport Jorge Chávez has been able to detect and to
> identify, these aerial anomalous phenomena. In any case, the zone of
> the sighting, is within the area of work of the radar before mentioned.
>
> 4. - The aeronautical hypothesis discards, since according to the
> video this urban zone is not airway, is not possibly looked like known
> aerial or aerodynamic object (airplane, helicopter, airship, model
> airplane, or similar).
>
> 5. - The possibility of sounding balloons for scientific workings
> dragged by the wind discards, because they were immovable near two
> hours and half and hour, in spite of the wind, soon not to move away
> or to move but visually to disappear.
>
> 6. - In case of not manned military aerial devices for espionage
> workings, also one would discard, since the nature of their task
> forces it to be furtive, and, less detectables or as far as possible
> observable. The myriad of objects was observed by more than two hours
> from diverse sectors of the capital.
>
> 7. - The hypotheses of metereological phenomena discard (there is no
> associate metereológical antecedents) , atmospherics phenomena (like
> to ray in ball, rosary or similars, according to the video totally
> different), globes festive pyrotechnicses (we remember the duration of
> the event, immovable in the sky between half an hour, according to the
> cameramans and near two hours and half and hour, according to our
> sources); birds in flight or similars.
>
> 8. - Possibility of Sicosocial Campaign ?. - At the moment in the
> political aspect of Perú, there is no a problem of political, social
> or economic nature, so serious that it justifies the creation of a
> sico-social campaign, so elaborated. On the other hand, said supposed
> sico-social campaign one would occur within the context of the
> reorganization of peruvian intelligence services. The conflicts
> before mentioned are delicate, but they do not comprise of processes
> of deterioration or social political resonance, associable to
> sico-socials campaigns. But the accurate question would be well...
> exists technology at the present time to be able to project images in
> skies of holographic nature, so as we can observe in the video ?. And
> the answer simply we do not have it, because the source of information
> at the present time on this subject in concrete is very debatable. At
> the moment, we left raised the hypothesis. But we return in the
> beginning. And why to project holographic
> images in the sky of Lima ? Experiments of social control.?
>
> Dr.
> Anthony Choy
>
> Sunday, May 20 2007
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>

>> 33 PROJECT :
>> 1st. Integral Scientific Study on the Phenomenon
>> Ufo in Peru

A Contactee friend in the States, who's now in her 90s,  sent me an email
saying that a comet breakup (Comet 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3) was being
used as a cover for a mass landing of UFOs. I wonder why Dr Choy didn't
mention this "short-period" comet, which is the closest a comet has been to
Earth in 20 years?
Karin





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Is this forum still active?

Dex

In my opinion the Gulf Breeze encounter was real. Why?
ED Walters describes an experience he had IMO no one else could
possibly know about being possible unless it happened to them.
At the age of sixteen, a friend and I, driving a car, began an
adventure working our way across the United States.
ET began their tracking of us the same time.
The tale I could tell.
Even though many of us are quite prepared and acclimated to the
magical ways of the extraterrestrial, I doubt you'd believe me.

Dex

Cross posting:

donware@... writes:

Dear All,
I do not know Phillip Coppens, but his report below shows a serious
denial of truth though he has done some good research. The Gulf
Breeze
encounters were extensively reported by trained investigators, yet he
seems to have
accepted the rather feeble disinformation of the debunkers.
Fifty-five years as a truthseeker has led me to accept an extensive
alien presence interacting with those who are spiritually, and in
most cases,
mentally, and emotionally ready for the alien presence. Our world
leaders
responsible for alien matters have a policy to put information on the
alien
presence into the public domain so it is available to those seeking
it while not
forcing it on those who are not yet ready. Coppens is apparently not
a true
truthseeker. US national policy is to avoid getting the public too
excited
about the alien presence. Control of the major media and well managed
disinformation allows them to implement this policy.
Seek with Joy, Don Ware, Director, International UFO Congress,
_http://home.http://homhttp://home._
(http://home.earthlink.net/~donware)

Dex, why don't you write a journal of your experiences? We publish them.
Karin
www.experiencers.net

: [ufodiscussion] Gulf Breeze
> At the age of sixteen, a friend and I, driving a car, began an
> adventure working our way across the United States.
> ET began their tracking of us the same time.
> The tale I could tell.
> Even though many of us are quite prepared and acclimated to the
> magical ways of the extraterrestrial, I doubt you'd believe me.





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30.06.07


Roswell Officer's Amazing Deathbed Admission Raises Possibility
That Aliens Did Visit

Exactly 60 years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the
Cascade Mountains in Washington State, at a height of around
10,000ft.

Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft.
Visibility was good and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky
to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny
metallic objects flying in formation.

He estimated their speed as being around 1,600 miles per hour -
  nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet
aircraft at the time. He described the craft as arrow-shaped and
said they moved in a jerky motion - 'like a saucer would if you
skipped it across the water'.

A reporter seized on this phrase and in his story described the
objects as 'flying saucers'. The age of the Unidentified Flying
Object (UFO) had begun.

Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America.
This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting, this was the
birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary
fascination.

Then, two weeks after Arnold's sighting, something happened that
was to lead to the biggest UFO conspiracy theory of all time. On
or around July 2, 1947, something crashed in the desert near a
military base at Roswell, New Mexico.

Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The
many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality
yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group
of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate
enough to gain possession of a disc."

The headlines screamed: 'Flying Disc captured by Air Force.'
Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and
claimed the object they'd first thought was a 'flying disc' was
a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

Amazingly, the media and the public accepted the explanation
without question, in a way that would not happen now. Roswell
disappeared from the news until the late Seventies, when some of
the military involved began to speak out.

The key witness was Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer
who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage. He described
the metal as being wafer thin but incredibly tough.

It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned.
Some witnesses described seeing strange inscriptions on the
wreckage.

These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been
dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers.

But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell
mystery - which casts new light on the incident and raises the
possibility that we have, indeed, been visited by aliens.

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the
base in 1947, and was the man who issued the original and
subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the
base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died last year, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened
only after his death.

Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather
balloon claim was a cover story, and that the real object had
been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar. He
described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about bodies. Local
undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted
by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to
provide a number of child-sized coffins.

When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse
(who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small
humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered. But Haut is the
only one of the original participants to claim to have seen
alien bodies.

Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended
with base commander Col William Blanchard and the Commander of
the Eighth Army Air Force, Gen Roger Ramey. Haut states that at
this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for
participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the
material.

He says the press release was issued because locals were already
aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second
crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen. The
plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site,
which had been discovered by a rancher, would divert attention
from the second and more important location.

Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months
afterwards military personnel scoured both crash sites searching
for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing
all signs that anything unusual had occurred.

This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as
souvenirs was seized by the military.

Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to 'Building 84'
- one of the hangars at Roswell - and showed him the craft
itself. He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 12-15ft
in length and around 6ft wide. He said he saw no windows, wings,
tail, landing gear or any other feature.

He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a
tarpaulin. They are described in his statement as about 4ft
tall, with disproportionately large heads. Towards the end of
the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I
personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from
outer space."

What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the
many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his
role and made no such claims. Had he been seeking publicity, he
would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies.

Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed
confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who
had stayed loyal to the end?

Another military witness who claimed to know that the Roswell
incident involved the crash of an alien spacecraft is Colonel
Philip J. Corso, a former Pentagon official who claimed his job
was to pass technology from the craft recovered at Roswell to
American companies.

He claims that discoveries such as Kevlar body armour, stealth
technology, night vision goggles, lasers and the integrated
circuit chip all have their roots in alien technology from the
Roswell crash.

Corso died of a heart attack shortly after making these claims,
prompting a fresh round of conspiracy theories.

As bizarre as Corso's story sounds, it has support from a number
of unlikely sources, including former Canadian Minister of
Defence Paul Hellyer, who spoke out recently to say that he'd
checked the story with a senior figure in the U.S. military who
confirmed it was true.

The U.S. government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the
Nineties. In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the
General Accounting Office, the Office of the Secretary of the
Air Force published a report, The Roswell Report: Fact vs.
Fiction in the New Mexico Desert.

The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been
attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top secret
project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment
into the upper atmosphere, listening for evidence of Soviet
nuclear tests.

The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a
cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about
extraterrestrials.

A second U.S. Air Force report, The Roswell Report: Case Closed,
was published in 1997 and focused on allegations that alien
bodies were recovered.

It concluded that any claims that weren't entirely fraudulent
were generated by people having seen crash test dummies that
were dropped from balloons from high altitude as part of Project
High Dive - a study aimed at developing safe procedures for
pilots or astronauts having to jump from extreme altitudes.

These tests ran from 1954 to 1959 in New Mexico, and the U.S.
government suggested that sightings of these dummies might have
been the root of stories about humanoid aliens, with people
mistaking the dates after so many years, and erroneously linking
what they'd seen with the 1947 story of a UFO crash.

Sceptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut.
After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's
no proof. But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows
that, 60 years on, this mystery endures.

UFO enthusiasts plan to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the
Roswell incident with a series of events. In Roswell itself
there will be a conference partly sponsored by the city
authorities. Thousands are predicted to attend. Roswell has
become not just big news, but big business.

Ever since Kenneth Arnold's sighting and the Roswell incident,
UFO sightings have continued to be made around the world.

In the UK, in 1950, the Ministry of Defence's Chief Scientific
Adviser, Sir Henry Tizard, said UFO sightings shouldn't be
dismissed without proper, scientific investigation.

The MoD set up arguably the most wonderfully named body in the
history of the Civil Service, the Flying Saucer Working Party.
Its conclusions were sceptical.

It believed UFO sightings were attributable to either
misidentifications, hoaxes or delusions. Its final report, dated
June 1951, said no further resources should be devoted to
investigating UFOs.

But in 1952 a high-profile series of UFO sightings occurred, in
which objects were tracked on radar and seen by RAF pilots. The
MoD was forced to think again and has had been investigating
ever since. To date, the MoD has received more than 10,000
reports.

The best-known UK incident occurred in December 1980 in
Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. In the early hours of December 26,
personnel at RAF Bentwaters (a base leased to the USAF) reported
strange lights in the forest. Thinking an aircraft had crashed,
they went to investigate.

What they found, witnesses say, was a UFO. They took photographs
(which they were later told hadn't come out) of the brightly
illuminated craft and one of the men got close enough to touch
the object, which then took off and flew away. The stunned men
briefed their bosses, including the deputy base commander,
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt.

Halt ordered the men to make official witness statements,
including sketches of the craft. The following night Halt was at
a social function when a flustered airman burst in, saluted and
said: "Sir, it's back."

Halt looked confused and said: "What's back?" "The UFO, Sir. The
UFO is back," the airman replied.

Halt and a small team went to investigate. His intention, he
later reported, was to 'debunk this nonsense'. As they went into
the forest, their radios began to malfunction and powerful
mobile searchlights cut out. Suddenly, Halt and his team saw the
UFO and attempted to get closer. At one point it was directly
overhead, shining a bright beam of light down on them.

After these events, Halt ordered an examination of the area
where the UFO had been seen on the first night. Three
indentations were found in the ground where the craft had
landed. A Geiger counter was used and radiation readings were
taken, which peaked in the three holes. Halt reported it to the
MoD and an investigation began.

This was inconclusive, but Defence Intelligence Staff assessed
the radiation readings taken at the landing site were
'significantly higher than the average background'. The MoD's
case file on the incident has only recently been released under
the Freedom of Information Act.

Another spectacular UFO incident occurred in March 1993. Over
six hours, around 60 witnesses in different parts of the UK
reported a series of sightings of spectacular UFOs. Many of the
witnesses were police officers and the UFO also flew over two
military bases in the Midlands, RAF Cosford and RAF Shawbury.

The Meteorological Officer at RAF Shawbury described the UFO as
being a vast triangular-shaped craft that moved from a hover to
a speed several times faster than an RAF jet in seconds.

He estimated that the UFO was midway in size between a Hercules
transport aircraft and a Boeing 747 and said that at one point
the craft had been as low as 400ft. He also said that it had
been firing a narrow beam of light at the ground and emitting an
unpleasant low-frequency hum.

The MoD investigation lasted several weeks and the case file -
  also recently released - runs to more than 100 pages.

The final briefing submitted to the Assistant Chief of the Air
Staff stated: "In summary, there would seem to be some evidence
on this occasion that an unidentified object (or objects) of
unknown origin was operating over the UK." That is about the
most frank admission on UFOs that the MoD has ever made.

Sixty years after Kenneth Arnold's 'flying saucer' sighting,
pilots are still seeing UFOs. In April this year, Captain Ray
Bowyer, a pilot based in Alderney, saw two bright yellow UFOs in
the vicinity of the Channel Islands.

Some of his passengers saw the same thing, another pilot in the
area made a similar report and some unusual readings were seen
on air traffic control radar. The MoD and the Civil Aviation
Authority investigated the incident and no explanation has been
found.

Despite any number of hoaxes over the years, interest and belief
in UFOs remains strong. Under the Freedom of Information Act,
the MoD receives more requests relating to UFOs than on any
other subject.

So what is it about UFOs that continues to excite our
imaginations? To some people, the subject has become almost a
religion and perhaps that gets to the heart of it. Those who
study the subject are on a quest not just for the truth, but for
meaning. It's a search for the answer to one of the most
fundamental questions we can ask - are we alone?


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--- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "dexxxaa" <dexxxaa@...> wrote:
>
> Keith
>
> Is this forum still active?
>
> Dex
>

Hi Dex,


Yes, it's now returned to being active (the other site was deleted).


Welcome back! :)


Regards,

Keith

Please, forgive me this intrusion but I wonder if I'm onto something important.
I'm sharing this with as many members of the UFO community that I have addresses
for and I'd appreciate it if you'd forward this to your ufological addresses as
well.

Aspergillus causing death of stranded dolphins
A report from the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs features the
death of cetaceans stranded on UK shores shows that most die from respiratory
infection, many from infection with aspergillus.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/cvo/report/2006/section_c.pdf

   Aspergillus the cause of widespread deaths of Honey bees in the US?
   35% of bees in the US have disappeared in the last six months, bees vital for
producing food. This is the biggest die-off in history. Hives are abandoned and
the honey left untouched by other insects. One theory is that weakened bees are
left vulnerable to infection by aspergillus and that the fungus is poisoning the
hive.
   http://www.bloggernews.net/16841



   My husband and I had an unusual experience here in London, shortly after I
moved here from the US. I'm an alien abductee/Experiencer, researcher, and
investigative hypnotherapist. I worked for MUFON and The Alien Abduction
Transcription Project. I'm now just very ill, with an aspergillus infection in
my head, on my hands and feet, and perhaps in my lungs. Paul is far worse than I
am as he's in great pain from the infection in his sinuses, but neither of us
have had any success getting the medical community to take our illness
seriously. They say it doesn't exist in their manuals although it's what came
back in their lab results.

   We got ill after that unusual experience and maybe there's a connection and
maybe there isn't. If there is, it's something for the rest of you to be aware
of.

   You could have what you think is just a sinus condition, or an allergy, or
terrible headaches (often mentioned in abductee symptom lists). The aspergillus
will spore and every once in a while someone may be able to smell a moldy smell
come from you, but many people don't notice mold smells. Other than this, you
will have no suspicions, before now, that you, too, could have an aspergillus
infection.

   Our unusual experience was this: we woke up to find the front door hanging
open, held closed by the chain; someone had fed the cat and thrown out the tin
in the wrong place; Paul had a big bruise on his thigh and I had a black line
drawn on an inside leg. I felt as though I'd been out in the parking lot (near
the door) and that there had been people there laughing. No aliens, no lights,
no UFOs; just humans.

   In the States I'd had one last weird experience before I left: after finally
securing a visa (do you know of any other American being told in London they
needed one to visit England?) in Chicago, my son was separated from my side on
the way into the train station, and I was taken by both arms and led towards a
private elevator (it had no external buttons) by two older English people who
spoke to me soothingly of the weather. I noticed my son was missing and I broke
free and ran back up the stairs and out of the building to find him.

   Are these events all connected? Or is this only my imagination and our weird
illness has nothing to do with anything other than our bad luck? Whichever, the
above news items have shocked me into sending out this warning, no matter my
personal embarrassment, just in case we are also being infected.

   Best,

   Karin Hoppe Holloway, CHt

   www.experiencers.net

   http://www.fungalresearchtrust.org/Press.html






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I'm assuming Unsubstantiated...very interesting..
From Bre

> Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati
> By Henry Makow Ph.D.
> June 29, 2007
>
> A Chinese secret society with 6 million members, including 1.8
million
> Asian gangsters and 100,000 professional assassins, have targeted
> Illuminati members if they proceed with world depopulation plans,
> according to Tokyo-based journalist Benjamin Fulford, 46.
>
> They contacted Fulford, a Canadian expat, after he warned that the
> Illuminati plan to reduce the Asian population to just 500 million
by
> means of race-specific biological weapons.
>
> "The Illuminati, with the exception of Japan, is very much a white
> man's game," Fulford says.
>
> The secret society confirmed Fulford's information and asked for
> advice. He provided them with a list of 10,000 people associated
with
> the Illuminati, mainly members of the Bilderberg, CFR and Skull and
> Bones. Neo Cons are also high priority targets.
>
> "I have promised that not a single person will die if they
negotiate
> in good faith," Fulford says.
>
> Fulford is the former Asian Pacific bureau chief for Forbes
magazine.
> He quit in disgust when Forbes refused to run a damaging story
about
> one of its advertisers. Fulford has since written 15 books in
> Japanese. His most recent is a scathing dissection of the 9-11
Hoax.
>
> Fulford says Japan has been controlled in secret by the Illuminati
> through the use of murder and bribery. Underground sources tell him
> the Americans have murdered over 200 Japanese politicians and
> influential citizens since the end of WW2.
>
> Among the victims are former Prime Ministers Tanaka, Takeshita,
Ohira
> and Obuchi. They were all murdered using a special drug that
induces
> strokes. The Illuminati have been warned that the Chinese secret
> society will not tolerate any more murders. It has also extended
its
> protection to truth seekers in the West.
>
> AN ANCIENT SOCIETY
>
> The Chinese Secret Society is called the "The Green and the Red
> Societies," Fulford says.
>
> It "can be found in the history books. When the Manchus invaded
China
> in 1644, the Ming army became an underground society aimed at
> overthrowing the Qing (Manchu) and restoring the Ming. They
supported
> the Boxer Rebellion but were put down by imperialist powers. Later,
> with the help of overseas Chinese and the Japanese imperial family,
> the society managed to overthrow the last Emperor and install Sun
Yat
> Sen in his place. They last appear in the history books as the
Green
> Gang and the Red Gang that fiercely fought the Communists in
Shanghai
> in the 1940’s. They were defeated by the Communists in 1949 and
once
> again became an underground organization."
>
> "Since 1949 they have steadily increased their influence throughout
> China and the rest of the world. They have members at the very
highest
> levels of the Chinese government but they are by nature
> anti-establishment, and are not an official Chinese government
> organization. ..
>
> "The society has deep roots in Japan because of the link between
> Yakuza crime gangs and the Japanese imperial family. The Japanese
> imperial family are descended from 6th century Korean invaders. The
> original invaders had trouble putting down the native Jomon peoples
so
> they brought over a tough, warlike minority people from the Asian
> mainland. These are the ancestors of the Yakuza. They have
> historically been used for secret work and for jobs like collecting
> taxes. When the Japanese decided to help overthrow the last Chinese
> dynasty, they used the Yakuza as a go-between with the Chinese
secret
> society, many of whose members were gangsters. To this day many of
the
> senior leaders of this group are actually Japanese, not Chinese."
>
> "It must be made very clear though that it is not a crime gang.
> Although many members are Triad and Yakuza members, over 2/3 thirds
of
> the members are intellectuals such as university professors,
> researchers and government bureaucrats. Each member earns their own
> living and membership in the society is like belonging to an
emergency
> fire brigade. Their book of rules reads like a book of ethics
filled
> with instructions to do things like help the weak, fight injustice,
> help your comrades etc."
>
> "They approached me and asked if they could help after I made a
speech
> in Tokyo describing the Bush regimes’ use of race-specific
biological
> weapons. For me it was like a ghost from the history books
appearing
> right in front of me. At first I thought of silly things like
having
> them play 911 truth videos in Chinatowns around the world. However,
> then I remembered the scene from the movie Kill Bill where Uma
Thurman
> snatches out her opponent’s eye. I soon realized these people
could
> save the world by directly attacking the eye at the top of the
pyramid
> on the one-dollar bill."
>
> "Think about it, the illuminati and their top servants have a total
> membership of about 10,000 whereas the Chinese group has over 6
> million members. That is 600-to-one odds. Furthermore, the 6
million
> have the names and addresses of the 10,000 while the 10,000 do not
> know who or where the 6 million are."
>
> FULFORD ON THE ILLUMINATI
>
> "Below is a brief a summary of the intelligence I have received
from
> sources including: former Japanese Prime Ministers, senior Yakuza
> gangsters, senior Japanese Freemasons, Western intelligence
agencies etc.
>
> "First the illuminati are really inbred families of European and
North
> American traditional aristocracy and banking families. They control
> the U.S., England, Europe (except for Scandinavian countries,
Germany
> and Italy; Italy kicked them out in the 1970's),Japan, Africa,
Iran,
> Canada and Mexico. They do not control China, Russia (Putin kicked
> them out for the first time since 1917), India, South East Asia,
South
> America, Cuba etc.
>
> "Their goal is to create a world government. Until 2 years ago the
> plan was the New World Order. That was outlined pretty clearly in
the
> Project for a New American Century. However, with the debacle in
Iraq,
> the secret government of the West changed to a new plan that is a
> world government based on the EU. To do this they will sabotage the
> U.S. economy.
>
> "However, there is a big schism in the secret government. Jay
> Rockefeller and Philip Rothschild support one faction, the Global
> Warming Faction. Opposing them is the War on Terrorism Faction
> supported by David Rockefeller and the JP Morgan descendents (Bush,
> Harriman, Walker etc.). The warming people want to sell 500 nuclear
> power plants to China and a similar amount to the rest of the
world.
> The terrorism guys want to keep U.S. dominance by maintaining
control
> over oil. Putin was a huge setback for them.
>
> "They are also neo-Nazis who want to reduce the amount of colored
> people in the world by at least half through disease, starvation
and
> war. The Chinese secret society got wind of this and is preparing
to
> stop them."
>
> GERMANY AND SCANDINAVIA NOT ILLUMINATI?
>
> I challenged Fulford on Germany, Italy, Scandinavia and possibly
> Russia not being controlled by the Illuminati. He replied that "the
> quality of my intelligence varies":
>
> "I can say with certainty that China, Russia and India are free.
When
> Putin kicked out Nieslev and Bereshovsky and arrested Khordokovsky,
he
> basically kicked the Rockefellers and Rothschilds out of Russia. I
> have good Russian sources and am confident Putin is a nationalist
who
> is fighting the Illuminati with all his might. When ex-NSA chief
Bobby
> Inman spoke at the Foreign Correspondent’s Club of Japan on June
26th
> he made it very clear he expected a protracted struggle with
Russia.
>
> "India kicked them out in Ghandi’s day and they have never been
> allowed back. Having liberated themselves after 300 years of
> Illuminati (East India Company) rule, they do not intend to let
> themselves fall under their control again.
>
> "There have been many attempts by the Illuminati to infiltrate and
> dominate China. They financed Chairman Mao but he then kicked them
out
> in the 1960’ s (that is why China and the USSR nearly went to war
> then). They are now trying to create a financial crisis in China
that
> would open the way for them to infiltrate the Chinese financial
> system. They will not succeed. Italy basically purged itself during
> the big P2 Masonic lodge scandal back in the 80’s and re-
infiltration
> has only been partly successful. Germany is part of the Nato
alliance
> and is thus indirectly controlled. There is a powerful branch of
the
> Rothschild family operating there.
>
> "However, Germany does not appear on a top-secret Illuminati power
> flow chart I have obtained. As far as Iran is concerned, I know
they
> financed Ayatollah Khomeini and Iran appears on the flow chart I
have.
> My understanding is they want to provoke a conflict between Islam
and
> the West so they can consolidate their control over the Muslim and
> Christian worlds before finishing world conquest by taking over
China
> and India."
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> Fulford says a meeting is being arranged with Russia’s Vladimir
Putin
> to make sure the KGB also cooperates in this plan to snatch the eye
> out of the pyramid.
>
> "So far, I have told the Illuminati that they are no longer allowed
to
> murder Japanese politicians. I now plan to extend this protection
to
> all politicians in the West. If the illuminati assassinate or
attempt
> to assassinate Ron Paul, Barak Obama or any politician, may God
have
> mercy on their souls."
>
> "Since I am a peace-loving, laid-back Canadian suddenly put in a
> situation of great responsibility, I feel I must act as a servant
of
> the weakest people and creatures on the planet. I have also been
> negotiating in secret with the Illuminati in the hopes of arranging
> for them to cede power without any bloodshed in exchange for a
general
> amnesty.
>
> "I do believe we now have a real chance to end the New World Order
and
> start the New Age. The New Age would be one where war, poverty and
> environmental destruction would only be found in the history
books."
>
> I applaud Benjamin Fulford's courage, idealism and defiance.
However,
> he is new to this subject and may have been mislead. "New Age" is
> Illuminati teminology. The Illuminati control the central banks of
> Russia, China, India and Venezuela. They control the EU. Germany
may
> not appear on the Illuminati chart because it is at the top. Barak
> Obama is a Zionist stooge. The Illuminati Li Ka-Shing (and family)
has
> had a major role in China. Heck, the Communists are Illuminati. I
> thought the Illuminati controlled organized crime. I can't imagine
a
> genuinely benevolent secret society. It would be encouraging if
this
> were one.
>
> It's possible Fulford is sincere but is being used to confuse
and/or
> create divisions. Possibly they want to ramp up domestic terrorism
as
> an excuse for martial law. Now, Orientals as well as Muslims could
be
> on the watch list. This secret society is challenging the
traitorous
> Western Establishment. We're talking about the State apparatus! So
> please take all this with a grain of salt. It may or may not be
what
> he says. Time will tell.
>
> In any case, it's time we refused to bow down to tyranny and called
a
> spade a spade.
> Imagine, in Japan he writes the truth in the mainstream media!
Maybe
> some day, we'll do that in America. Benjamin Fulford is an
inspiration
> and deserves our thanks.
>
> http://www.savethemales.ca/002056.html
> <http>

Cross posting:

For you Dee...

I hope this helps for a better understanding of the "Elohim" and what
they truly represent...Dex
From a Contactee...

The Creator Gods require certain mechanistic forms for testing their
creative impulse, for which reason they created the physical worlds.

The physical worlds are seeded by templates which contain the
blueprint for gradual evolution through a sequence of biomechanical
stages. Therefore, the physical worlds operate within "time-lag"
dimensions because they are sub­ordinate to a divine program of
consciousness activity.

In other words, the "time-lag" is created by virtue of the seed form
being extended into physical space. Therefore, the "time-lag" is a
physical separation which may exist, in terms of millions of Light
years, between the energy grids of creation and the human vantage
point; however, from the stand­point of higher spiritual reality it is
only consciousness which separates man from God, and the realization
that the "divine template" is only on the other side of Light
directly within man's presence at all times.

When the human mind receives events outside of its physical time
frame of reference, it will perceive the presence of a second world
which is operating faster than the conventional physical brain
processes. Therefore, it will see how our physical world is within
a "time-lag" subordinate to high speed events taking place in the
second world.

This second world shapes the conventional brain processes by the
conventional brain to recall memory, to capture events, and to
participate in the thought structure of parallel worlds of
intelligence.

The supra-consciousness continuum, which makes this possible,
emanates from the higher consciousness exercising a superior
interpretive and controlling role upon the neural biological events
of mental time interplaying with matter-waves and time-waves of the
Light continuum.

In actuality, this higher consciousness mind operates through the
divine worlds which, in turn, affects the physical worlds through
consciousness image programs of Light continuum which are not limited
to time differences.

The self-realized mind can then modulate time differences to step in
and out of multiple realities between the physical world and the
spiritual world out of which our physical reality is extended.

Connection between the spiritual and physical programs is through a
consciousness blueprint or template which interfaces with the seeds
of Light coming from the spiritual worlds of thought to form the
seeds of material form unfolding within the physical layers of
creation. It is through the photon bundles that the seed forms are
transplanted from the consciousness template into the energy grids
that are used to activate the physical layers of creation.
Essentially, there are many templates connecting physical and
consciousness layers of reality. As the photon bundles wear out, they
are replaced by Light structures which correspond to the activity of
the seed form. All, however, must relate to a divine template of the
Creator Gods (the Elohim) through which they extend their sublime
teachings into a template recorder cell (memory cell) in the midst of
that which is defined as a "Mansion world" containing myriad galaxies.

The individual recorder cell can receive different forms of the
spatial coding of Light. Therefore, the codes of Light operate
through myriad forms of the Sephirothic emanations which break down
in the physical world into sets of pulse, group, gravitational waves,
waves operating in a vacuum, etc.

The template recorder cell allows for multiple levels of firing rates
which are collectively composed from various types of waves which
permit the geometry of a seed form of Light to move from one state of
consciousness to another.

The Higher Evolution is also able to beam spiritual knowledge from
the recorder cell to a specific localized intelligence. For example,
through the multi-light image transformation, the recorder cell
template allows for light impulses arriving from a divine template to
be allocated to specific localized zones of consciousness where they
are adapted to the paradigms necessary for the distribution of Light.

The template recorder cell sends out thought~forms of information
which are continually active in space. Forms of advanced physical
intelligence can directly tap into this information if they have a
crystalline network within their brain cavity. For this reason the
brains of
right and left hemispheres fused and a small crystal network in the
right frontal lobe which acts as a crystal recorder cell or third
brain transposing the language of the Higher Evolution into the
vernacular.

This is the meaning of "the Many and the One," the many templates or
monitoring mechanisms of Light connecting one program with many
programs of organization.

And at the head of these many templates there is the pulsating divine
template which allows for the processing of large amounts of
information for local application.

This triggers a divine calling frequency which is available for
universal application.

  Consequently, when the divine template is connected with the divine
language being processed through the other templates of Light, there
is a synthesis of many consciousness forms of Light.
These consciousness forms of Light are governed, in turn, by the
Hierarchy of the Elohim who advise the lower evolutionary hierarchies
on what information should be placed within their respective recorder
cells.

They also determine how to program the computer recorder cell with
the internal language and the brain network, that species require for
changes through successive evolutionary programs.
They reassess how the brain network is processing information
according to the original consciousness blueprint of the divine
seed. "SNIP"

J.H./Contactee

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As part of E to the Third Power's (TM) Commemorations of the
Generations (TM) Welcoming Project, for the first time in history, in
its entirety, E to the Third Power (TM) is releasing for viewing, via
their website, a 3rd generation copy of the November 20, 1994, 1:31
p.m. Flying Saucer Sequence, along with an embossed version; a 3rd
generation copy of the videoprint from the original videotape; and, a
video print of the second frame featuring both Fields 1 & 2.

The "white flashes" are referred to as "hyper-jumps."

http://www.midwayufomuseum.com/1593010.html

Since this particular Flying Saucer video sequence is approximately
4/30'ths of a second in length, the stills extracted from the
original videotape are for the entire 4-frame/8-field sequence.

Flying Saucers can warp time and space.  This particular Flying
Saucer passed the frame of view in a fraction of a second.

Based upon triangulation, the featured Flying Saucer was 900 yards
away from the camera, traveling at approximately 10,227 mph.

Per the physicist's report from October 11, 1996, an excerpt of the
analysis and calculation is as follows:

"It was estimated that in the time period of one frame advance the
object traveled a distance of approximately one diameter or 30 feet.
The velocity is determined to be 30 feet/.002 seconds = 15,000
ft/sec.  This converts to 10,227 miles per hour.  This is value is
not unreasonable for an object through warp drive, this is the method
of propulsion, since with present technology aircraft are approaching
if not exceeding 3,000 miles per hour."

Fuji Labs did the analysis of the videotape and concluded in an
excerpt from their letter dated May 6, 1999:

"Based on our observations of this recording, there does appear to be
some type of object quickly moving through this video.  This does not
appear to be the result of any type of tape defect or camera
malfunction.  Please be aware, however, that Fuji is making no
statement as to what this object may or may not be."

Videography Stats:

- Videographer: Manuel Escamilla
- Type of Videography: Spot-Videography
- Type of Camera: RCA CCD 540
- Shutter Speed: 2,000
- Zoom: Approximately 12x  Zoom
- Focus: Set on Manual
- Type of Videotape: FUJI Super HG T-120 11645XBA

The members of E to the Third Power (TM) attempted to stake
their "Declaration of Discovery," that Flying Saucers were real with
the only plausible explanation being that they are of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence/Origin," but their attempts were
futile.

The members of E to the Third Power (TM) believed then, as they
believe today that they qualified to stake such Declaration pursuant
to Item #1 of the "Declaration of Principles Concerning Activities
Following the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence," as they
had "other evidence."


Becky Escamilla, Administrator
E to the Third Power (TM)
64 Yakima Road
Dexter, NM 88230
http://www.midwayufomuseum.com

Source: KLAS-TV 8 - Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6810117

July 19, 2007


I-Team: New Top Secret Construction At Area 51

George Knapp
Chief Investigative Reporter


Something big is in the works at Nevada's legendary Area 51
military base. A massive new building is under construction at
the top secret location. Aviation experts say there's a good
chance that a new, highly classified aircraft might soon be
zipping around the Nevada skies.

What kind of aircraft? One possibility is a successor to the SR-
71 spy plane, the SR-72.

The SR-71 Blackbird is widely regarded as the greatest airplane
ever built. It sliced through the sky at Mach 3 and still
reigns, officially anyway, as the fastest plane in history.
Groom Lake, also known as Area 51, was home for the Blackbird
during its early days. The question is -- will Area 51 also be
the location of choice for the development of a successor, and
maybe more than one?

A photo of a new building under construction at Area 51 has
raised tantalizing possibilities for the civilian researchers
who dabble in such topics. No one can say for certain what the
building will be used for, but aviation historian Peter Merlin
says the one thing we can say is that it's one big hangar.

"It probably measures 275 feet by 600 feet. It's no larger than
hangars at other bases, but it certainly is the largest at Area
51," Peter Merlin said.

Satellite photos confirm Area 51 already has two dozen hangars,
including some less than two years old. So what's going on out
there?

The hangar could be a central maintenance facility, machine shop
and or simulator training center. But aviation writers are
thinking more exotic thoughts. For months, there's been
speculation in aviation circles about a successor to the SR-71,
call it the SR-72. Model airplane companies already have their
version of the so called "dark bird," which theoretically could
fly twice as fast as the Blackbird.

Peter Merlin says he's been told by engineers at Lockheed that
the SR-72 project was canceled, but new reports in aviation
media note the Air Force has just awarded a new contract to
Lockheed for a plane that sounds exactly like the SR-72, a Mach
6 reconnaissance plane that could also carry weapons, and unlike
the SR-71, this one would be unmanned.

It would make for a comfy fit inside that new hangar. But Merlin
thinks there are other possibilities also in the works at Groom
Lake.

"There are at least seven and maybe as many as eleven manned
classified air craft that have not yet been unveiled that have
been flying since 1985 and countless unmanned programs as well.
Most of these things have been tested there. I know some of the
guys that have flown these airplanes," Merlin continued.

Among the suspects is something called the Black Manta, a
stealthy hypersonic craft that might explain the wispy images
captured in a few photos around the world. Various black
triangle-type craft have been spotted over American military
bases and cities for years, some of them huge in size, big
enough to require a big hangar.

Aviation journalist Bill Sweetman has long argued for the
existence of the Aurora, another plane rumored to have been
flown at Groom Lake. Sweetman says black budget figures hint at
the existence of the plane, which some have dubbed the SR-75
penetrator. Whichever of these ambitious projects ends up in
full development, it's abundantly clear that the testing
location of choice for top secret planes is still Area 51.

The Lockheed Company, whose so-called Skunkworks plant developed
the U-2, SR-71, and stealth fighter -- all of which were test
flown out at Area 51 -- says it will not comment on its new Air
Force contract.

The Air Force is also not talking.


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----- Original Message -----
From: Dex
To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 7/25/2007 3:34:56 PM
Subject: [prepare4contact] Hercolubus


Niburu = Planet X = Hercolubus

Female ET Rama says to Chacho...(brief excerpt from anonymous source)

"So my friend, if we want to get scientific about what is written here, let me
tell you that this star called wormwood is a huge celestial body. It's known as
the beast of destruction to all our planetary systems, because this world runs
parallel to our own solar system."
"What do you mean? Chacho asks. You'll have to be more specific about that."
"Let me tell you exactly how it is. If a planet this size comes near our solar
system, it will cause serious imbalances to several planets. I think you can see
that your world has suffered several major climate changes: fierce winds,
earthquakes, volcanic eruptions.
Perhaps you can't see it now, but by the end of 1976, it'll be more noticeable.
Keep your eyes open for the weather reports. You'll see that in places where the
climate has been warm, it will become colder, and in cold climate places there
will also be corresponding changes. The reason being that your planet, and
several others in the solar system, are coming under the attractional influence
of this cold planet, called Wormwood in the Bible.
I think I mentioned Rodolfo Benavides, a Mexican author who has written several
important books dealing with this material. He's the same man you're going to
get your information on ananas and anionites from. He wrote a book called
Dramatic Prophecies of the Great Pyramid.
In his book he calls this planet Hercolubus. We'll call it that also for the
sake of reference.

Hercolubus is the only one planet in a whole planetary system named Tila. The
planetary system travels parallel in the universe to this solar system of ours,
in the same direction. Hercolubus takes about 6,666 terrestrial years to
complete its orbit. At a certain point in that orbit, which happens once each
cycle, it comes very close to our solar system without crossing the orbits of
any of our planets.

Naturally, this phenomenon causes very serious disturbances to our planetary
system. Your world is going to suffer the consequences of these attractional
influences forty-six days of each year, in the late seventies or early eighties,
becoming stronger as we approach the year 2001. Right now, it's not quite
noticeable, but you'll notice it more and more towards 1982.

If we were to check this date very carefully with the dates given by the
prophecies of the Great Pyramids, and with the predictions of some South
American psychics, we could clearly see that we're dealing not with something
written in the Bible as religious rubbish, but present cyclical phenomenon. The
last time Hercolubus went by must have been close to 6,600 years ago; that's one
of the reasons that knowledge of its existence is dim, obtainable only through
the reading of ancient relics such as the Great Pyramid. The return of this
planet will begin to be felt sometime between 1978 and 1980. You'll remember
that between 1970 and now there have been several bad earthquakes, especially in
South America and the Pacific. But the worst part of it will be between 1982 and
1992. That's when the earth's axis is going to get out of its present position.
This will cause the sun to hit the earth with the same intensity, in a constant
way, over the poles. Within a few years, the ice on the poles will melt,
covering great extensions of land. It will also change the cycles of the
seasons; there will be only two seasons, probably spring and fall.
This is going to explain the ice ages, the periods of evolution, all of which
are 6,666 year periods. Later, when we talk about the antichrist as a beast of
destruction, we're going to come to this number again, so remember it, okay?"
"If I understand what you're saying correctly, we're traveling in the universe
next to a star called Tila, with it's own planetary complex. One of its planets,
Hercolubus, is 3,000 times bigger than the earth..." "To be exact, 3,200 times
bigger." "Okay, 3,200 times. A cold planet of such magnitude that takes 6,666
terrestrial years to complete its own orbit, during which time, at one point, it
comes close to the earth and causes serious cataclysms and things like that."
"Yes." "When is it coming back?" 'It should be at its closest point to the earth
on the 17th of September in the year 2001." "Now you're telling me the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I take it that science in my
horrible world is going to ridicule this because there's no scientific
explanation for it." "I doubt you'll have scientific backing, but there are
plenty of people, which you'll discover when you read this book I told you
about, that have predicted things. These predictions are the result of someone's
knowledge about Hercolubus. I've mentioned this several times." "Yes, you have,
but I still think that's not for you and me to tell" "Look at it this way: The
moon is only a satellite of the earth, and it is the source of attractional
forces which create such phenomena as the tides, correct? And that's only the
moon, a little body out there in space.

Can you imagine what a celestial body about 3,200 times bigger than the earth
will do?
This happens to your planet every 6,666 years. It has caused deluges, the
separation of the continents, whole bodies of land sinking into the ocean.
During its last close contact with earth, at the beginning of this era now
coming to an end, Atlantis went down, Lemuria disappeared, waters covered most
of the land masses. Before this, Europe and America were one land mass, also
eastern Brazil and western Africa. If you take a world map, you'll see that you
can make these continents fit together like a giant jigsaw puzzle. That
separation was caused by Hercolubus's close encounter with the earth." "What's
going to happen when it comes by again?" "California falling into the ocean is
going to be caused by this planet." "Why hasn't this information been revealed
to the world?

"Remember I mentioned this Silent Group?"

"Yes." "When you met me, you asked why we have chosen to be far away in the
mountains in a remote part of the world. It's because we're afraid of being
crucified. Remember what happened to Jesus when he spoke about love and
friendship and brotherhood? This is what we teach. We have to live here where no
man from your earth can come."

"That makes sense. Tell me more about this planet, Wormwood or Hercolubus."
"After the last Hercolubus visit to our solar system Adam and Eve appeared on
earth. Moses wrote about them as the first human creatures created on earth. But
actually Adam and Eve were only the beginning of the era of humanity in your
world." "Remember Noah and Moses spoke about the deluge?

Was that one of the times Wormwood passed around here again?"

"Yes, that's right." "The Bible was written about, what-3,000 to 4,000 years
ago?"

"SNIP"

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice job...
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dex
   To: UFOdiscussion
   Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:59 PM
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] Hercolubus




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dex
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 7/25/2007 3:34:56 PM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] Hercolubus

   Niburu = Planet X = Hercolubus

   Female ET Rama says to Chacho...(brief excerpt from anonymous source)

   "So my friend, if we want to get scientific about what is written here, let me
tell you that this star called wormwood is a huge celestial body. It's known as
the beast of destruction to all our planetary systems, because this world runs
parallel to our own solar system."
   "What do you mean? Chacho asks. You'll have to be more specific about that."
   "Let me tell you exactly how it is. If a planet this size comes near our solar
system, it will cause serious imbalances to several planets. I think you can see
that your world has suffered several major climate changes: fierce winds,
earthquakes, volcanic eruptions.
   Perhaps you can't see it now, but by the end of 1976, it'll be more
noticeable. Keep your eyes open for the weather reports. You'll see that in
places where the climate has been warm, it will become colder, and in cold
climate places there will also be corresponding changes. The reason being that
your planet, and several others in the solar system, are coming under the
attractional influence of this cold planet, called Wormwood in the Bible.
   I think I mentioned Rodolfo Benavides, a Mexican author who has written
several important books dealing with this material. He's the same man you're
going to get your information on ananas and anionites from. He wrote a book
called Dramatic Prophecies of the Great Pyramid.
   In his book he calls this planet Hercolubus. We'll call it that also for the
sake of reference.

   Hercolubus is the only one planet in a whole planetary system named Tila. The
planetary system travels parallel in the universe to this solar system of ours,
in the same direction. Hercolubus takes about 6,666 terrestrial years to
complete its orbit. At a certain point in that orbit, which happens once each
cycle, it comes very close to our solar system without crossing the orbits of
any of our planets.

   Naturally, this phenomenon causes very serious disturbances to our planetary
system. Your world is going to suffer the consequences of these attractional
influences forty-six days of each year, in the late seventies or early eighties,
becoming stronger as we approach the year 2001. Right now, it's not quite
noticeable, but you'll notice it more and more towards 1982.

   If we were to check this date very carefully with the dates given by the
prophecies of the Great Pyramids, and with the predictions of some South
American psychics, we could clearly see that we're dealing not with something
written in the Bible as religious rubbish, but present cyclical phenomenon. The
last time Hercolubus went by must have been close to 6,600 years ago; that's one
of the reasons that knowledge of its existence is dim, obtainable only through
the reading of ancient relics such as the Great Pyramid. The return of this
planet will begin to be felt sometime between 1978 and 1980. You'll remember
that between 1970 and now there have been several bad earthquakes, especially in
South America and the Pacific. But the worst part of it will be between 1982 and
1992. That's when the earth's axis is going to get out of its present position.
This will cause the sun to hit the earth with the same intensity, in a constant
way, over the poles. Within a few years, the ice on the poles will melt,
covering great extensions of land. It will also change the cycles of the
seasons; there will be only two seasons, probably spring and fall.
   This is going to explain the ice ages, the periods of evolution, all of which
are 6,666 year periods. Later, when we talk about the antichrist as a beast of
destruction, we're going to come to this number again, so remember it, okay?"
"If I understand what you're saying correctly, we're traveling in the universe
next to a star called Tila, with it's own planetary complex. One of its planets,
Hercolubus, is 3,000 times bigger than the earth..." "To be exact, 3,200 times
bigger." "Okay, 3,200 times. A cold planet of such magnitude that takes 6,666
terrestrial years to complete its own orbit, during which time, at one point, it
comes close to the earth and causes serious cataclysms and things like that."
"Yes." "When is it coming back?" 'It should be at its closest point to the earth
on the 17th of September in the year 2001." "Now you're telling me the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I take it that science in my
horrible world is going to ridicule this because there's no scientific
explanation for it." "I doubt you'll have scientific backing, but there are
plenty of people, which you'll discover when you read this book I told you
about, that have predicted things. These predictions are the result of someone's
knowledge about Hercolubus. I've mentioned this several times." "Yes, you have,
but I still think that's not for you and me to tell" "Look at it this way: The
moon is only a satellite of the earth, and it is the source of attractional
forces which create such phenomena as the tides, correct? And that's only the
moon, a little body out there in space.

   Can you imagine what a celestial body about 3,200 times bigger than the earth
will do?
   This happens to your planet every 6,666 years. It has caused deluges, the
separation of the continents, whole bodies of land sinking into the ocean.
   During its last close contact with earth, at the beginning of this era now
coming to an end, Atlantis went down, Lemuria disappeared, waters covered most
of the land masses. Before this, Europe and America were one land mass, also
eastern Brazil and western Africa. If you take a world map, you'll see that you
can make these continents fit together like a giant jigsaw puzzle. That
separation was caused by Hercolubus's close encounter with the earth." "What's
going to happen when it comes by again?" "California falling into the ocean is
going to be caused by this planet." "Why hasn't this information been revealed
to the world?

   "Remember I mentioned this Silent Group?"

   "Yes." "When you met me, you asked why we have chosen to be far away in the
mountains in a remote part of the world. It's because we're afraid of being
crucified. Remember what happened to Jesus when he spoke about love and
friendship and brotherhood? This is what we teach. We have to live here where no
man from your earth can come."

   "That makes sense. Tell me more about this planet, Wormwood or Hercolubus."
   "After the last Hercolubus visit to our solar system Adam and Eve appeared on
earth. Moses wrote about them as the first human creatures created on earth. But
actually Adam and Eve were only the beginning of the era of humanity in your
world." "Remember Noah and Moses spoke about the deluge?

   Was that one of the times Wormwood passed around here again?"

   "Yes, that's right." "The Bible was written about, what-3,000 to 4,000 years
ago?"

   "SNIP"

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From mjc

UFO sightings bring town to a standstill

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=4705\
79&in_page_id=1770

A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a standstill when
five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the sky.
Drinkers spilled out of pubs, motorists stopped to gawp and camera phones were
aimed upwards as the five orbs, in a seeming formation, hovered above
Stratford-Upon-Avon for half an hour.
The unidentified flying objects lit up the otherwise clear night sky above
Shakespeare's birthplace in Warwickshire on Saturday.

The video (in mp4, about 4.1 MB) can be downloaded from:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8EP934RY

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mjc wrote:

Dex, the big question is is there a direct connection between the spiritual orbs
that people hypothesize are the spirits of those "on the other side" and the
plasma-like ones that create crop formations.. ?

mjc

I don't know.
The below is an excerpt from Secret of the Saucers website.
The photo's are at the URL below.
I think there are animate and inanimate Orb's. We've been told the inanimate
Orb's can be devices used as probes that can be controlled by ship's thousands
of miles out  in space, whereas, other Orb's appear to behave like living
intelligent entities..
As depicted in video's, If not most, some probes are involved with making the
crop circles.

(Note: The small saucer in the photo's was shown to me near a canyon that leads
up to Livermore's test site 300. In the approximate area anyway. I remember when
seeing it I was thinking how small people would have to be to fit in a ship that
size. I thought it looked around 2 ft. in diameter. A good guess from a distance
and while I was driving too. Years later I learned from Paul's testimony it was
a probe and something different all together. LoL. Those were the days.)
*****************
This photo shows the 15 inch (in diameter) disc with retracted landing gear and
small silver spherical orbs. The orbs have the ability to go anywhere, even
through buildings if necessary to photograph & record. I was told the orbs (more
than one) visited the Pentagon quite frequently in those days. And in another
former photo we could see several small orbs around the probe. For Villa's
benefit, they showed him the orbs could revolve around the probe at an
astonishing speed until they vanished from sight. Then they slowed down and
reappeared, and re-entered this small remote controlled probe from which they
emerged. It was said that these probes could be controlled from thousands of
miles out in space. Hmmm, could they be used for making crop circles? The video
clip inset below looks like they do.
No More Secrets.
Dex


http://home.earthlink.net/~dexxxaa/_wsn/page3.html

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1999-10-30 12:00PM

Please inform you races, Alex (Alex Collier) that the next 3 rotations shall
decide the fate of your United States. Your Union of States is being
surrendered. So are the sovereignties you hold as rights. You Nation Races are
choosing a course of action , which they are being deceived into. Dedicate your
fortunes while you still call them yours, to exposing the deceivers and the
puppets. Spare no one of the truth. The Nation Races will rise to protect the
freedoms that they have forgotten about.

The focus to share and steer into the Races hearts is the right to be true, and
unconditionally responsible. In our language the concept of choice, which your
races call freewill is wherein lies the authority to create a world of your own
choosing. This is not occurring anywhere on a Leadership level on your planet.
Please remember, 3 rotations decide the fate of your Nation. If your Races
choose slavery instead of liberty, little can be done to assist you, when regret
impacts all of you.

Be at One!



1998-12-12

November 23, 1998

Moraney stated, that the Andromedan Council has granted the Nibiru entry into
our solar system to collect and recover mining equipment left behind when the
Orion Queen sent them away after their responsibility for the last great flood.
This equipment is located on various planets and moons within our solar system.
They have been warned not to come near Earth and direct contact has not been
authorized. There is to be no recovery of any equipment on Earth allowed. When
they have collected their belongings they are to leave. The Nibiru will be
monitored very closely while operating within our system.

Jehovah has left our solar system; reasons unknown.

Moraney told Alex that they have discovered that our Suns are being deliberately
manipulated by mechanical and technical means that is trying to force a change
from a normal positive frequency vibration to a negative frequency vibration. It
was not shared as to who is the cause of this action or what they are trying to
accomplish, but the Andromedans are going to continue to monitor it closely and
intervene if necessary.

Note: Our speculation is that when Hale-Bopp traveled around the Suns and
dropped off the two mother ships (moons) in orbit around Mercury that the Orion
Consortium (consisting of 19 different races from the Constellation of Orion
along with the Draconians and Sirian B's) is directly involved with the
manipulation of our Suns.

Moraney explained to Alex, due to the highly political nature of the Andromedan
Council, that the Andromedan races, the Pleaidian races from Taygeta and Alcyon,
and the liberated races of the Tau Cetians and Procyons, along with some other
races that chose to get involved with us from the beginning of this mission,
have decided that regardless of the political intentions of the other Council
races, they are going to stay true to their original mission and intent
involving our sector of space which includes our solar system.

It was further stated, that if they detected any direct regressive
extraterrestrial "behind the scenes" involvement in Terran vs. Terran conflicts
or actual regressive ET vs. Terran altercations that they will not hesitate to
invoke direct open intervention on our behalf.


1998-10-08

Our web site begins online.


1998-09-12

Moraney reported that those whom we could refer to as the Nibiru have started to
present there case of ownership of Earth to the Andromedan Council. Currently
two positions have been presented.
1. The Nibiru claim that our current human life form exhibits more of their
genetics' than any other race that has been here in the past.

2. The Nibiru are claiming that they have the right to mine for uranium in our
solar system based on the "Right of First Discovery." They want and intend to
commence mining on the planets Mercury and Venus along with the moon Titan.
Moraney commented, that many of the new Andromedan Council races are finding the
Nibiru presentation compelling. Due to this, Moraney felt concern about a set
back for our race.
Q & A:
Alex: What would you do if your were in charge?
Moraney: I would order them to re-route their fleet. (In-bound Niribru Fleet)

Alex: When are they arriving here?
Moraney: Very soon...Very....Soon.

Alex: Have you gotten any orders regarding the coming fleet?
Moraney: No.

Alex: If you are ordered to leave, will you?
Moraney: I would have to. (spoken with true concern)

1998-09-11

During a contact on September 11th, Alex asked Moraney "Well, when's the
fly-over?" Moraney smiled, looked at him and said, "be patient". Alex said there
has been some talk that the craft that is parked in the rings of Saturn (Jehovah
Group) left, but according to Moraney its still parked there doing nothing.
Also, a race from the Aldebaran system has been in contact with the Israeli
government, according to Moraney, who said he couldn't say more about that at
this point in regard to the topic of discussion between the race from Aldebaran
and the Israelis.

Moraney indicated that the sun has completed its pole shift, but the magnetic
field is still fluctuating wildly and has not repositioned itself. I asked Alex
if that had anything to do with the fact of the light spectrum shift recently in
the sunlight from yellow to a more white spectrum, and he indicated it did. Alex
indicated that if the solar fields did not settle down within about 93 days, the
Andromedans indicated that they would intervene and stabilize it themselves.


1998-05-13

During a contact on May 10, Moraney was accompanied by two other dimensional
beings, who were noticeable only in peripheral vision. During this interaction,
Moraney was careful not to show emotion - a choice seemingly motivated by the
presence of these other two beings. Moraney would not address the question as to
who these other beings were, except to say that they were "observers".

Moraney stated that,
"the Orion group has approached the Andromedan Council on behalf of the
"Ni-Bi-Ru" (Niburu Group), who are claiming rights to certain property in the
solar system."
When Alex asked how it was resolved, what the issues were, and what property was
under dispute, Moraney only indicated that the issue has "not been resolved."
Moraney then indicated that the Andromedan group had uncovered the fact that the
Dows (faction of Greys) have been given a function to classify genetic patterns
and lineage of those connected with the Magi (offspring connected with the Magi
genetically) so that they could be "tagged" and retrieved for removal to another
world so they could continue to be a "labor force".

Alex asked Moraney about the trustworthiness of information (channeled or
otherwise) coming from the Niburu faction. Moraney replied that "Ni-bu-ru has
never honored your race". Moraney stated that the Niburu are entering the solar
system in large numbers, and that another large "carrier" was in position around
Saturn's moons. He added that the destruction of vital proof of "our heritage"
has been a conscious effort to divert and obscure the real tradition of our
races' ancestors, and that,
"the deliberate intervention into your race by genetic manipulation has
interrupted your races evolutionary progression. It is our desire to try and
help your races move into a direction of greater flexibility and more
intelligent, conscious interaction with your intent."
Moranae continued, saying,
"remember that in your past and your present, your caste systems are based on
the genetic inheritance of those in power at the time. Please ask you races to
evaluate this system of slavery, royalty and kingships, because you are all
truly royalty. We remind you of this. As a planetary race, what are your
priorities? Stop surrounding yourselves in a wilderness of controversy."
Moraney then indicated that he had to leave. The other two beings turned and
faded away.



1998-02-17

POLITICAL and BIOWARFARE ALERT:
The following data from the Andromedans was provided to us this morning -
" American governmental policies are being dictated from Brussels, Belgium.
Forty-one (41) major population centers on your world have been targeted for
biological terrorist attacks. Primary targets are the United States, England,
Europe and Japan. The primary implementing corporate structure for these
biological terrorist attacks is the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) in
Switzerland. We (the Andromedans) are currently tracking the movements of the 41
people who are involved with this program, also related to the 41 population
centers."
NOTE: See HERE  for BIS Current Activities.


1998-01-02

According to Moraney, after the events annotated below for September 24th, the
Andromedan Council met for 90 days in order to decide whether to intervene
directly in this timeline. It has been decided to do so. In 1998, the
Andromedans are going to do something, says Moraney, which will be embodied in a
world-scale event so that people can make a decision within their minds about
the existence of extraterrestrials. We are not being told precisely what they
will do, or precisely when it will go down. However, we are told that the
conflict with the Draconians and the Orion Group is not going well at all - a
matter which could have prompted the above decision.

Note: There are a lot more details in Leading Edge #106 about what is now
transpiring, including the transcript of a two-hour conversation with Letters
From Andromeda and a transcript of Alex Colliers lecture in Nov 97.


1998-12-31

Alex had a meeting with Moraney, who informed him of the highest probability for
a volcanic explosion in the Mammoth Lakes area in California in the APPROXIMATE
period between May 27, 1998 and June 5, 1998. (Remember that the A's are not
good at telling linear time). If this is not attenuated somehow, this activity
will result in atmospheric ash which will blanket the USA for about two weeks,
as well as initiating further activity the San Andreas fault running up
California.

This activity will also result in other activity in Mexico, and in the
northwestern USA, possibly in Washington State or Alaska. To see the current
situation in Northern California, click Here. For a graphic of recent
earthquakes in California, click Here.

Note: As of June 8th, according to Moraney, some of the pressure of the magma
dome has relieved itself, but this does not preclude further buildup to an
event.


1997-11-21

Moraney revealed to Alex that Boston, Chicago, New York, Atlanta and
Indianapolis have the highest probability for a biological terrorist attack
between the Spring of 1998 and the early summer of 1998.


1997-10-08

A brief conversation with the folks at the Letters from Andromeda newsletter,
after a five month delay, yielded information which was integrated into the
piece called Time Wars, written shortly after the conversation.


1997-09-24

The Andromedans, a particular Pleiadian Group and a group from Procyon have
directly intervened on two parallel realities, one of which was directly created
by Montauk technology. The reason behind this action was to seal up all time
travel on those realities. As a result of this intervention, our present
timeline has been sped up. This was something the Andromedans did not
anticipate. According to Moraney, leaps in knowledge and consciousness are now
going to change as quickly as every 24 hours, and what this has done is that it
has changed all the probabilities dramatically.


1997-06-17

Alex (Alex Collier) is approached by three black-suited agents, apparently from
the NSA or some other faction, and told to "shut up, or we'll start taking out
your friends". They neglect to be specific about what data has disturbed them.
Alex counter's, asking them "haven't you got anything better to do with your
time?", whereupon all three of them and the van they came in seem to disappear
as he turned around again to glance in their direction. A reassessment period
follows for several months, in which several contacts occur again with Moraney.


1997-06-09
Note #1 by Val Valerian: From an independent source the concept was presented
that the Pa'Thall (Paa Tal) in fact created the Draconian race to function as a
regressive polarity during the creation of this 3rd density timeline and
universe. This would also support the entrance of the Draconians from another
universe, a concept that the A's have voiced. Will pass this on to AC to pass on
to the A's for their comment on this very holistic concept. If it is so, it
might explain a lot relative to the potential ease-of-implementation of
re-unification.

Note #2 by Val Valerian: After some discussion with Alex Collier today on the
item listed below in 5/31, "there is direct intervention (ongoing) by three
races", the following additional information and amplification came to light:
(the material below constitute my thoughts in summation of what I have learned)
The three races involved are the Andromedans, a progressive group from the
Pleaidian system and those from the Procyon system.

The action and intervention is being done because the planetary situation is not
being governed by humans, but alien and human-alien hybrids (the Nagas - see
transcription of extracts from Alex Colliers June 8, 1997 Yelm lecture,
pending). This action would not be taken if in fact the planetary power system
was solely human controlled.

The intervention will involve extremely large ships coming into Earths
atmosphere for an extended period of time, in order to push the issue of the
planetary power structure into self-responsibility, since the planetary power
structure refuses to reveal what is really going on to the general population,
and continues regressive and suppressive behavior patterns.

This general activity parallels other events that are going on in the time
continuum. It appears that there are three (3) time streams that are involved
with this whole process.
The first one is the original timeline.
The second derivative is the one that resulted from the technological
interaction between several alien races in November of 1931 with the WWII
Germans.
The third timeline is one that started much earlier, wherein the groups from
Sirius B were instrumental in the causation of biological warfare on the human
population, and more than half of the Earths population dies.
Now, apparently according to what has been said in the last three major updates
below, what seems to be happening is that:
Interference with the timeline by the US government and other factions has been
deliberately stopped by forces with an absolute mastery of time and space, as
part of the general plan which will culminate on Aug 8, 2003.
Actions by those regressive groups from the Pleiadian system (Taygeta) and
others who interacted with the Nazis, creating a parallel dimension with social
implications even worse than those depicted in Philadelphia Experiment II, are
being taken back through time in an effort to change events to that when this
time track is imploding back into the original time line, the effect will be
minimal. The same actions are being done on the Sirian B biowarfare timeline,
and the net effect relative to all these matters seems to be timed to coincide
with the August 8, 2003 interval, wherein at least 78 different races have
agreed to enforce the mandate against all alien contact with the Earth, on the
surface, under the surface or in space, in order to allow a general situation
where the population will be given a change to press on without interference
from suppressive, regressive and manipulative groups with the intent of
ego-aggrandizement.

So, the timeline is undergoing a forced change in order to accelerate the
process beyond the rate it would go if it were left alone. Again, this is
underway because earth humans do not ultimately pull the strings on this planet.
The Non-Interference concept, at least on this level, no longer applies.


1997-05-31

The following information from Moraney was released:
There is direct intervention (ongoing) by three races.
The Pleiadians have been made to reorganize themselves, and together with six
other cultures have been convinced to repair the damage done through interaction
with the Germans during World War II.
Time travel by the United States Government has been halted.
There are negotiations going on between the Orion Group and those of Sirius B,
with members of the Andromedan Council, meeting outside the solar system at this
time.
"Information will be almost immediately forthcoming in regard to preparation for
the growth pains that your planet is about to experience, as far as your
planetary government in particular, that of the United States, your nation,
Alex. There have been so many contradictions and so much denial of the truth,
that your government is almost completely unable to continue to stay in denial,
and to teach denial to its people. It is important that they prepare themselves
for what truly is, and not what they think it is. There will be intervention."


1997-05-22

The following information from Moraney was released:
"The Council has decreed that before any benevolent races make contact with new
contactees, they must observe nine prior intents" (See Note 1 below)
"All benevolent council races have been instructed to go back and study the
Pleaidian interaction with the German scientists in the 1930's." (See Note 2
below)
"The Pleaidians, after the realization of giving technology to the Germans,
purposely scrambled Hitler's brain insofar as the importance of that technology"
"All time travel portals have been sealed with benevolent sentries who are
observing all movement, both extraterrestrial and Terran. No more outside
manipulation of the timeline will be allowed, including Montauk technology"
-  Note 1: It is felt that this means that they must observe a change of intent
over nine lifetimes of a person before benevolent contact can be made.
-  Note 2: The reasoning here is that they want the council races to learn 'what
not to do', basically.


1997-05-19

The following information from Moraney was released:
Note: (a 'rotation', as described, is in our terms a 'year')
" Seven hand-held laser weapons built by your government were stolen from a
secret military post, and are in the hands of Chinese and Islamic groups of
hate."
"In the next 4 rotations, at least one of your planet countries population will
be devastated by bio-weapons". (see note 5 below)
"Two of your nations will be destroyed, due to nuclear weapons, in the same 4
rotations".
"In the next 6 rotations of your planet, you will experience great shortages of
water not harmful to your physicality". (see note 1 below)
"Please look for your Red China country to use its military to seize control of
natural resources of its neighboring countries".
"Much of the surface soil used for your farming in the next 4 rotations will
grow nothing at all, and will be dead for a period of nine years." (see note 6
below)
"Please come to expect that many of your planet's non-human species in the
surface and on the surface, will be leaving your world in great numbers". (see
note 2 below)
"By your rotations of 6 years, many of your nations on your surface will
surrender the sovereignty of their people to regressive form of government, in
order to eat and drink, only because of the lack of resolve amongst your Terran
races to become more self-reliant. The laziness will be their own internment".
(see note 7 below)
"Your government is secretly preparing plans to move its location inland, close
to fresh water".
"The planetary release in the rotations of seven to eight years of crops which
will grow most anywhere will feed most of your populations". (see note 3 below)
"If unchecked monopolies, as your call them, will control all facets of your
lives by the time of 6 rotations. You and your Terran races will lose all
ability of self-reliance. You will become more a natural resource, and it will
be so acknowledged" (see note 8 below)
"The artificial and deliberate melting of glaciers will continue to occur, but
openly, as your (period of) 5 rotations comes (to pass). (see note 9 below)
"The functionally intellectually incapable beings on your planet as reached 63%
of your Terran races. We thought you should know this". (see note 4 below)
-  Note 1: Our best guess as what this means is that all the water that we drink
now is harmful to us, and that through discovery of the harm in it (fluorides,
biologicals, etc), it will be cleaned up. (Period between 1997 and 2003)
-  Note 2: This would seem to correspond to the mandate that all aliens leave
this planet by August 2003.
-  Note 3: This would appear to indicate that an advance in some agricultural
technique would make it possible to grow one or more select kind of food plants
that would supply all the food necessary to feed the population in certain
areas.
-  Note 4: In other words, 63% of the people on the planet are functionally
incapable in terms of intelligence.
-  Note 5: (1997-2000)
-  Note 6: (Period between 1996 and 2000)
-  Note 7: (1997-2003)
-  Note 8: (1997-2003)
-  Note 9: (1997-2002)


1997-05-02

The following information from Moraney was provided:
William J. Clinton will not complete his second term in office.
Hillary Clinton will be indicted, this will parallel a large stock market
correction.
Major cities will discover that their water supply has been contaminated.
Food shortages in grain and other supplies will be coming up.
Scientists will announce that the Sun is undergoing a pole shift.
Scientists will announce that there is an artificial object orbiting Mercury.
-  Note on May 19, it was announced on CNN and in the news media that there was
a possibility Hillary Clinton might be indicted.


1997-03-25

Moraney stated an updated probability vector with respect to a geological pole
shift. The new vector is that there is an increased probability (as seen on
March 25) for a pole shift to occur between now and the year 2003. Survival
rates in the United States are seen as follows: East Coast 40%, Middle United
States 80%, West Coast of the United States 0%.


1996-10-14
1. The worship of Is-ness is also the creation of Self.
2. The 12th density is now fully integrated with the Self.
[Alex is trying to determine the full meaning of this statement]

Latest
2000-08-29

Moraney stated that they were monitoring a situation concerning the Palestinian
rebels (Hummas?). They have acquired through the Russian Black-market (Mafia)
three suitcase sized low yield (small capacity nuclear device) bombs.
Palestinian leader is being pressured to strike at Israel with weapons for
blackmail purposes.

The time factor, which is critical, is the third week of your month of
September. Should this occur, your nation of Israel will strike without
compassion. Other Arab nations will gather to strike at your nation of Israel
the last week of October. At that point intervention will occur.
Alex: Will it be you? [Meaning the Andromedan's]
Moraney: It will be a new member of the (Andromedan) Council who will intervene.
(We were not told who this would be.)
Moraney went on to say that before the Arab nations strike they will distract
America by nuclear device, explosions in your nation cities.
Alex: How many?
Moraney: There are seven in your nation now.

Alex: How did they get here?
Moraney: Through your southern border (Mexico).

Alex: What Cities?
Moraney: We only see two detonation. Highest probability right now could change
because they are indecisive is New York or San Francisco. (Note: while the
number two is mentioned, the word "detonation" is in singular form.)

Alex: Who is doing this?
Moraney: The Consortium (the regressive aliens - composed of 19 races from the
Constellation of Orion along with the Draconian's and Sirian B's.) They are
using the land of Russia to create this chaos.


2000-08-17

Moraney told Alex that Bill Clinton is not planning on leaving office. That
within the first two weeks of September, Clinton will surrender the sovereignty
of the United States to the United Nations (possibly at the New Millennium
Summit) though a treaty. Expect China to move against Taiwan this October. Also
expect extreme volatility to take place in our Stock Markets which is all by
design. It is suggested that you start buying up gold and silver.

Moraney wanted Alex to know that the original August 12th, 2003 date when the
Andromeda Council was going to literally drive all the regressive ET's off our
planet and moon has been moved up. Due to a recent regressive action the entire
Andromedan Council are now in mutual consentience and have ordered all
benevolent forces to put intervention into motion. Those of our own race who
have betrayed us and what their treason has been, will be given to us all by a
holographic download. They say it will then be our responsibility to decide upon
the consequences of their actions.

LFA (Letters From Andromeda) Staff:
I would recommend that all readers check the following in the archive posts
#1998-02-17, #1999-10-30, and check out the last paragraph on post # 1998-12-12.

The cities mentioned in previous material by Moraney that could be the highest
probability of terrorist attack were - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles,
New York, San Francisco, and Seattle. The U.S. distraction will take place after
the Israeli incident to catch us all off guard. The Arab reaction after that
could be very abrupt.

At least six years or more have passed since the Andromedan's had shared with us
the probability of New York being sacrificed by "1999" by what would have been a
terrorist act by nuclear detonation. Well even San Francisco also had some past
history too as told to us by Moraney. Shortly after the non-fly over incident of
1998, Moraney told Alex the fly over event did not occur because at that time
they were basing the event on the high probability link to San Francisco. That
city was going to be nuked to set off the San Andrea's fault line which would
have resulted in social and economic disorder designed to introduce more control
on a national level - a Martial Law lock down. It would have been then that the
fly over would have occurred. But it was shared with us that intervention by
others took place and the fly over event never materialized. It should always be
remembered that future events can change without notice. The future is by no
means set in stone.

Final Thoughts:
What should we think about all of this following right on the heels of the U.N.
"Millennium Summit" conference next month? An action of this caliber could
postpone or even cancel the U.S. elections in November, keeping President
Clinton in office because an attack on American soil by terrorist actions will
have our President invoking Martial Law on the nation. When that happens,
Congress is sent home for six months.

That means folks, that our Constitution is suspended during time period. By the
time Congress could return, the time limit to challenge the U.N. treaty would be
over. Is this not convenient for the handing over of our nation to the U.N. next
month. THIS POST IS A HIGH PROBABILITY!  WE HOPE IT DOES NOT COME TO PASS!
Please understand that the Andromedan Council Races do not speak in terms of
predictions. They are scientific races, which communicates in terms of
probability based on percentage of happening. This makes more sense when you are
dealing with a race like ours that can change history just by our thoughts
alone.

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