I sympathise with Clark in his oppressed position but I am not sure
what he is hoping we will be able to do about it.  Put pressure on somebody
to make NASA give him the pension to which he feels he is entitled?  That's
a really long shot surely.

         I welcome his disclosure, but what is he telling us that we don't
already know from other sources?  That some aliens with whom the US
Government is in contact are 8 - 9 feet tall?  Well, every little helps I
guess but it's hardly earth-shattering information.

         If Clark wants to draw massive public attention to his situation and
to the Great UFO/ET Cover Up which he has personally experienced, I suspect
he needs to make his pitch on the Oprah Winfrey Show if she'll have him.
Much as I appreciate hearing his story on the net, by telling it here I
think he is inevitably just preaching to the choir.

         Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: Dex
To: UFOprepare4contact
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:34 AM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland


From AntZ
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:18 am



In SUPPORT of MY FRIEND, Courageous, US NASA ASTRONAUT, Edgar Mitchell,
Apollo 14!

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed
an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on his 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the
Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing
upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO
tethered US NASA Astronauts! I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft
of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space
Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and
seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS
AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

A friend of mine later contacted me and said that this person had also
observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET INSIDE the SPACE SHUTTLE CREW COMPARTMENT!
Yes, inside OUR Shuttle! BOTH missions were DoD (Pentagon) TOP SECRET (TS)
encounters!

With my verifiable background, there is no Federal Government Agency that
can say I am crazy!

I am a SPACE PROGRAM PIONEER. I assisted in launching the Mercury, Gemini,
Apollo, Apollo-Soyuz, Skylab, Space Shuttle, Deep Space Missions, and the
International Space Station.

I have received character substantiation from: Walter Cronkite, Major Donald
Keyhoe, NICAP Director, Richard Hall, Assistant Director of NICAP,
Astronomer, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, etc. I served as the Assistant State of
Florida and KSC Director of MUFON, the Director of the NICAP (National
Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) at Cape Canaveral and KSC! I
have received honored mentions from US Senators, Congressman, Military
Officers and Scientists. (See my website site below for more exciting
disclosures)

In fact, this absolutely verifies what my friend, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell,
of Apollo 14, has recently and courageously released!

I have launched or witnessed 650 missions, so far in my life!

I am an expert in visually recognizing any crafts created and flown by the
human race, whether secret or otherwise!I know an ET and Alien craft when I
see them!

I was the Director of the NICAP Unit-3 actual X-Files at Cape Canaveral and
the Kennedy Space Center, 1958 to 1992! YES, the ACTUAL X-FILES!! Aliens ARE
HERE!! They walk among US! They may be implanted into OUR various earth
governments!!

What I know, they would NOT allow me to publish! I have written at least
three books to release the TRUTH to all of the HUMAN RACE! I was on the
leading edge of this subject, and I have met with many NASA and other
astronauts throughout the years I have been involved in the Military, NASA
Space Programs, 1958 to 1992! I have heard many experiences of ETs having
been seen on the Moon, etc., by NASA Astronauts and I relate these and more
in my books.

NASA is not a CIVILIAN SPACE AGENCY! The Pentagon owns NASA! Some of the DoD
(Department of Defense) missions I participated in were TOP SECRET! Those
missions carried TS Satellites and other space mission hardware into orbit
where several crews met with ETs! I am ready to tell my story, but, for
compensation,

Clark C. McClelland,
former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet,
Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
NOTE:
Most of you are not aware that my Space Program Retirement was DENIED TO
ME!! I was told by several KSC high management people to not take a legal
action, and that they were working to have my job returned to me with back
pay! Yeah, SURE! Thanks to the Legal Gods that I found an attorney who would
give me a free consultation. He told me that I had a fixed time limit to
file an action against those responsible. My attorney called me and said,
your time is running out. It had about two weeks still allowed for filing a
legal action. I informed him that he could file that action after I called
KSC to see if they had accomplished any action for my return. None of those
management people would talk with me. They were hoping my time would run
out. People I had worked with, were cowards! My attorney and I had several
meetings with their legal group from Miami. They offered me peanuts to
accept their "final" offer! I advised them that I would write several books
to disclose my astounding experiences at Cape Canaveral and the KSC! I
refused the offer. It went to the criminal court system we have been
educated to TRUST! The initial court hearing REFUSED my attempt to have a
court trial with my peers as the jurors. I believe they realized that with
my personal experiences of lecturing at many universities, that I would no
doubt win my case! So, they denied me my Constitutional Rights My attorney
said that he could have it transferred to the Federal Court in Atlanta, GA.
He said it was one step from the Supreme Court in Washington DC. He required
MORE $$$! Of course, what else would anyone expect to hear from a lawyer? I
borrowed $$ from my beloved and not-to-well-off wonderful parents. The
attorney took my case to Atlanta! It languished there for a couple of years!
My attorney was summoned to Atlanta. He returned to tell me that once again,
I had been denied my Constitutional Rights! They would not allow my case to
be heard!! I was and still am VERY BROKE! I lost the $$ I had, lost my
family, my son, died at age 19, my wife divorced me, I lost our home, I was
not able to find a job paying over $4.25 hour, My beloved parents were
devistated. That and MUCH more. I am asking those that are rich, famous,
like Rock Stars, Movie Stars, Bill Gates, all who have enough $$ for ten
life times, PLEASE HELP ME! I am doing this FOR YOU, the Human Race! I am
standing ALONE, so FAR! Are any of you courageous enough to assist me? If
not, then my astonishing books may never be read! Send HELP to my P.O. Box
233, Tavares, Florida USA 32778!
Clark

Contact me at:

P.O. Box 233
Tavares, Florida 32778
clark0003@...
stargatechronicles@...
Experience my exciting website: www.stargate-chronicles.com

Website and Content Copyright ©1998 - 2008 Clark C. McClelland.
Any republication of content from this site must occur with written
permission of the author.
Please contact Clark C. McClelland.
_________________

Cross posting from the Golden Forum
From Shady
Are Governments Suppressing the 23-July-08 Planet X / Nibiru Crop Circle in
Avebury?


http://yowusa.com/et/2008/et-2008-07a/1.shtml
YOWUSA.COM, 26-July-08
Marshall Masters

The Crop Circle Connector web site has long been a leading UK crop circle
resource, but a recent, mysterious retraction of their report on what could be a
groundbreaking formation depicting the orbit of Planet X / Nibiru now begs the
question: Is this the result of government suppression? Are we being prevented
from learning about the Planet X / Nibiru Crop Circle that appeared in two parts
in Avebury Manor, near Avebury, Wiltshire, UK on 15 July, 2008 and 23 July,
2008?

Before leaping to conclusions, let's first examine the parties involved and the
chronology of events. Then, we shall present our initial findings on part 1 of
this 2-part formation, which indicate a date stamp for the Winter Solstice of
2012 with a planetary alignment that clearly demonstrates that we are in the
process of losing the Planet Pluto.

The UK Crop Circle Sites Involved
One possible way to explain this is that the the Crop Circle Connector web site
removed the image because they determined it to be a hoax. If so, they would
have reported that. However, they did not. Further, they attributed the image in
question to Temporary Temples, which is likewise another prestigious UK Crop
Circle research site.

Therefore, in order to further maintain that this image was hoax, one must force
the argument that hoax lightning has struck twice, and with two of the most
respected crop circle web sites in the UK.

Furthermore, should these sites now respond to this article and offer an
ex-post-facto explanation, how credible would such a convenient afterthought
explanation be?

The Chronology
On July 17, 2008, we received an inquiry from Kerry Cassidy at Project Camelot
about the new Avebury formation first reported on 15 July, 2008 on the Crop
Circle connector site.

Have you seen this?  All the planets line up for that date except Pluto which is
moved off it's orbit... possibly due to an impact event or other planetary
body??-Kerry

My response back the same day was:

Hi Bill and Kerry:

Yes, Pluto's orbit appears to have been heavily perturbed in this formation.  My
hunch is that this is the first of a series of formations like we saw back in
2003.  The next one could be a real blockbuster.

We're on it.

Thanks, Marshall

I forwarded a copy of Kerry's message to Jacco van der Worp, MSc to ask him to
review the orbit of Pluto as it appears in this initial formation. Meanwhile, I
kept a close eye on the page to see if there would be any updates. That effort
hit pay dirt — big time!!!

Regarding Clark McClelland:

hello fellow american ufonuts: seriously, how JADED can we get, Regan? You
"welcome his disclosure"? Look, the world in general is in such darkness on
these matters because "us, the good guys" are dragging our collective feet
behind smug, arrogant drivel like you've just written. And don't anyone tell me
that I'm being "rude" or "hostile" either. We're all adults here. Wake up
already! Grow up! Pull your head out of (your choice of terminology) and let's
start yelling about this stuff! Where is Stephen with his ufo conferences? Why
aren't we at McCain/Obama events forcing the issue? Are we embarrassed? Do we
think this subject is too silly for people to grasp? How long are we going to
sit on our hands and squeak to each other? I'm trying to raise funding for a
FREE TO THE PUBLIC WORLDWIDE TRAVELING SHOW geared to specifically place
speakers on ALL suppressed knowledge and folks like McClelland in front of the
world audience so we can MOVE FORWARD on this planet and with our humanity. To
trivialize ANYTHING like what McClelland is doing as "speaking to the choir" is
insulting! The CHOIR should be belting out this stuff like it was the Academy
Awards! Or are we just waiting for Niburu to end everything? C'mon, everybody,
get off the couch and start MOTIVATING! We've got SO much going for
us..........JUST DO IT!

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'Regarding Clark McClelland:

hello fellow american ufonuts: seriously, how JADED can we get, Regan?'

         Hello Shane.  Would it be asking too much of you to find out who it
is that you are setting out to offend before you insult them?  You see,
perhaps like others on this list I am not "american" and I do not identify
with the label "ufonut".  As to the question of how JADED you and your
fellow american ufonuts can get, that's one which I cannot answer for you.
I guess you will just have to ask yourselves.

'You "welcome his disclosure"? Look, the world in general is in such
darkness on these matters because "us, the good guys" are dragging our
collective feet behind smug, arrogant drivel like you've just written.'

         Oh, that's the reason for the world's darkness on these matters, is
it?  There was I thinking it was something to do with an Orwellian
conspiracy between elite members of national governments, international
power-blocs, religions, secret societies, the MIC, the intelligence
community, the banking community, big business, the medical establishment,
the scientific community, the education system and - last but by no means
least - the media.  So thanks for enlightening me, Shane!  You've liberated
me!  Now I know that all I need to do to really help solve this crippling
world problem is to stop writing my smug, arrogant drivel that has been so
dampening the creative spirits of the masses, who would otherwise have risen
up and be clamouring for disclosure by now.  I cannot tell you how grateful
I am to you for lifting this unnecessary burden from my shoulders.

'And don't anyone tell me that I'm being "rude" or "hostile" either.'

         Why not?  Can't you bear to face the truth of what you are being?

'Wake up already! Grow up! Pull your head out of (your choice of
terminology) and let's start yelling about this stuff!'

         I cannot speak for others but I can assure you that I am in process
of both waking up and growing up and that these are never-ending processes.
But you are making some very ignorant assumptions about us, you know.  How
do you know that our heads are not precisely where they ought to be?  And
where is the sense in "yelling about this stuff"?  Who wants to listen to
someone yelling?  That seems like a sure-fire method of turning people off
of whatever you want to turn them on to, to me.  It also seems like a daft
idea to me for people to just start shouting their mouths off about such
dark and sinister secrets as government involvement with UFOs and ETs in
today's terror-hyped thought-climate.  All those internment camps that we've
been learning about have not been constructed for no reason, have they?
Perhaps it's you who needs to do some waking up to what is really going on
and some growing up to face the challenges of the real world?

'Where is Stephen with his ufo conferences? Why aren't we at McCain/Obama
events forcing the issue?'

         I shall leave Stephen to speak for himself.  I have my reasons for
not attending McCain/Obama events which I do not have to explain or justify
to you. But since you raise the question, would you care to tell us why you
have not yet appeared on the 6 O'clock News as a notable issue-forcer at
McCain/Obama events?  Or is that something which you only expect other
people to do?

'Are we embarrassed? Do we think this subject is too silly for people to
grasp? How long are we going to sit on our hands and squeak to each other?
I'm trying to raise funding for a FREE TO THE PUBLIC WORLDWIDE TRAVELING
SHOW geared to specifically place speakers on ALL suppressed knowledge and
folks like McClelland in front of the world audience so we can MOVE FORWARD
on this planet and with our humanity.'

         As I have said before, I wish good luck upon your efforts.  I'm not
trying to stop you or hold you back from doing this, Shane.  Go right ahead.
Good luck!  I hope you succeed in making the liberating breakthrough in
public awareness of the UFO/ET issue that you desire to make.

'To trivialize ANYTHING like what McClelland is doing as "speaking to the
choir" is insulting!'

         I was not trivializing what he is doing by saying that.  It was just
a shorthand way of saying that I think he has been broadcasting a message
which the UFO/ET-community of the internet has basically already received.
Therefore I think he needs to try and reach people who are outside the
UFO/ET-internet community as a priority and I suggested the Oprah Winfrey
Show as a possible means for him to do that effectively.  Where is the
insult to McClelland or anyone else in my doing that?

'The CHOIR should be belting out this stuff like it was the Academy Awards!
Or are we just waiting for Niburu to end everything?'

         I'm afraid the CHOIR is a very scattered, disparate group of people
who are not all singing from the same score-sheet, let alone singing in
tune.  There is a lot more to effective group-communication than most people
think.  If we all start "belting out this stuff" it will just produce a
louder noise than we are already collectively making without improving the
clarity of our "song".  I cannot see any point in doing that.

'C'mon, everybody, get off the couch and start MOTIVATING! We've got SO much
going for us..........JUST DO IT!'

         "JUST DO IT!" means, do it regardless of whether you want to or
whether you think you should, does it not?  It allows us no say in the
matter.  How's that for the freedom-loving spirit in action?  "JUST DO IT!"
is not a request, not a plea and not an invitation.  It is a command.  Who
gave you the authority to command us, Shane?

         Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: shane eden
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland



Regarding Clark McClelland:

hello fellow american ufonuts: seriously, how JADED can we get, Regan? You
"welcome his disclosure"? Look, the world in general is in such darkness on
these matters because "us, the good guys" are dragging our collective feet
behind smug, arrogant drivel like you've just written. And don't anyone tell
me that I'm being "rude" or "hostile" either. We're all adults here. Wake up
already! Grow up! Pull your head out of (your choice of terminology) and
let's start yelling about this stuff! Where is Stephen with his ufo
conferences? Why aren't we at McCain/Obama events forcing the issue? Are we
embarrassed? Do we think this subject is too silly for people to grasp? How
long are we going to sit on our hands and squeak to each other? I'm trying
to raise funding for a FREE TO THE PUBLIC WORLDWIDE TRAVELING SHOW geared to
specifically place speakers on ALL suppressed knowledge and folks like
McClelland in front of the world audience so we can MOVE FORWARD on this
planet and with our humanity. To trivialize ANYTHING like what McClelland is
doing as "speaking to the choir" is insulting! The CHOIR should be belting
out this stuff like it was the Academy Awards! Or are we just waiting for
Niburu to end everything? C'mon, everybody, get off the couch and start
MOTIVATING! We've got SO much going for us..........JUST DO IT!

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Hi Regan: I know who you are. I see you every day in the faceless masses. You
forgot the part where I said "we're all adults here". Ufonuts was my cute way of
including all of us, regardless of nationality, race, height, weight, etc. Maybe
I'm talking over your head. I didn't insult anyone. My grampa told me once the
best way to get attention was to fart loudly. I guess he was right. Yes, I know
all about the NWO - oooh, I'm skeerd! Why don't YOU write Oprah and tell her to
get McClelland on? Why don't ALL OF US write Oprah and tell her to get
McClelland on? And as far as yelling - would you whisper that your house is on
fire? As far as you wishing me good luck on my enterprise, I'm still waiting for
YOUR $5 contribution. The Choir is not worth much if they can't harmonize. Oh
yes, one more thing: JUST DO IT! is not a command - it's a PLEA! To humans, that
is. Are you sure you don't have some Reticulan blood in you? Nice talkin' with
you, tho.......beats screaming at those Nazis pounding on my door!

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'Hi Regan: I know who you are.....'

If you did know who I am then you would cease your misguided antagonism
towards me.  I am an aspect of the One Self that we all are.  Why are you
attacking yourself, Shane?

'Ufonuts was my cute way of including all of us, regardless of nationality,
race, height, weight, etc. Maybe I'm talking over your head.'

Talking over your own head, it sounds like to me.  You said "american
ufonuts". "american" is not "regardless of nationality", is it?  And
"ufonuts" is used frequently by establishment spokespeople in the media as a
derisory term for people who take an interest in UFOs and ETs.  It's
definitely not "cute".  I am wondering why you didn't know this already,
seeing as how you are so "adult" and all.

'I didn't insult anyone.'

Oh really?  How do you know that?  You have called us all by a commonplace
derogatory term that implies we are nuts and you have called my original
post in this thread "smug, arrogant drivel".  Are you so unconscious of what
you are doing that you don't know when you are insulting people?

'My grampa told me once the best way to get attention was to fart loudly. I
guess he was right.'

Nevertheless, farting in public is impolite and offends against the
unwritten rules of polite society.  It is disrespectful to others and to the
rules of social harmony.  It is rude, it is disruptive and it causes
offence.  Having said that though, I am aware of a certain "punk" contingent
in modern society that actually likes to be farted at, spat upon, and worse
on occasions.  However, while such disgusting exhibitions of contempt for
human sensibility may be perfectly acceptable - and even desirable - at punk
music festivals, this list is not a punk music festival and I suggest that
it would not be a good idea to accept them here, even in a metaphorical,
literary-verbal form.

'Yes, I know all about the NWO - oooh, I'm skeerd!'

You mentioned the NWO, I didn't.  The NWO is only a relatively small and
transitory part of what I was referring to.

'Why don't YOU write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on?'

Because it is not my way to tell others what to do.  You see, Shane?  You do
not know me at all.  If you did know me you would know my way and would not
need to ask such a question.

'Why don't ALL OF US write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on?'

Why do you want ALL OF US to do that?  What purpose would it serve?  What
effect would it achieve?  At what cost to whom?  You are putting forward a
proposal for concerted collective action without any supporting explanation
about anything.  What are you expecting of us all, Shane?  That we "JUST DO
IT" because you suggested it?

'And as far as yelling - would you whisper that your house is on fire?'

If I knew that the fire had been started by the Secret Government and that
one of their hit-teams was ready and waiting to shoot my head off if I did
yell "Fire!", I think I might only whisper it, yes, and even then only to
people who I felt that I could trust too.

'As far as you wishing me good luck on my enterprise, I'm still waiting for
YOUR $5 contribution.'

For what reason/s should I give you $5, Shane?  You still have not explained
those to me.  You have only given me reasons to NOT give you $5!  Your
uncivil, personally offensive manner towards me being a prime one.

'The Choir is not worth much if they can't harmonize.'

Not worth much to you, perhaps.  But "farting" is not "harmonizing", is it?
I wonder how much you are worth to the Choir while you continue to indulge
in such nauseous attention-seeking.

'Oh yes, one more thing: JUST DO IT! is not a command - it's a PLEA!'

"JUST DO IT" would be a plea if you added some deferential wording to it,
such as "please" or "if you please".  That recognises the right of the
recipients of your plea to deny it if they choose to.  But by itself it is
an imperative - a command.  You appear to be in denial about this, Shane.

'To humans, that is. Are you sure you don't have some Reticulan blood in
you?'

I might well have some Reticulan blood in me for all I know.  So might all
of us, I gather.

'Nice talkin' with you, tho.......beats screaming at those Nazis pounding on
my door!'

Yes, those Nazis are a problem, aren't they?  Are they pounding on your door
from outside you or from within you though?  From the way that you've been
issuing orders here, it looks to me as though they could be inner-Nazis in
fact.  It's no use screaming at those, you know, because they cannot hear
you whatever you say.  They are the part of yourself that is determined to
assert itself absolutely, unconditionally, without compromise and without
regard for other people's thoughts, feelings and perceptions.  They are the
part of you that wants to make things happen and get things done with no
objections and no arguments and no accounting to anyone for it afterwards.
They are the part of you that does not want to negotiate - the part that
expects action on demand and tells people: "JUST DO IT!".  They are the
Absolute Dictator in you.

It would be nicer talking to you if you would curb your so far irresistible
urges to fart at me.

Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: shane eden
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland

Hi Regan: I know who you are. I see you every day in the faceless masses.
You forgot the part where I said "we're all adults here". Ufonuts was my
cute way of including all of us, regardless of nationality, race, height,
weight, etc. Maybe I'm talking over your head. I didn't insult anyone. My
grampa told me once the best way to get attention was to fart loudly. I
guess he was right. Yes, I know all about the NWO - oooh, I'm skeerd! Why
don't YOU write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on? Why don't ALL OF US
write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on? And as far as yelling - would
you whisper that your house is on fire? As far as you wishing me good luck
on my enterprise, I'm still waiting for YOUR $5 contribution. The Choir is
not worth much if they can't harmonize. Oh yes, one more thing: JUST DO IT!
is not a command - it's a PLEA! To humans, that is. Are you sure you don't
have some Reticulan blood in you? Nice talkin' with you, tho.......beats
screaming at those Nazis pounding on my door!

Interesting Regan..I don't know why but through the years I've witnessed what
appears as a personal psy-op to your replies. Even though it isn't a real
psy-op...it just seems to manifest that way.
Why do people take you wrong?  Weird..

Dex


Hi Regan: I know who you are. I see you every day in the faceless masses. You
forgot the part where I said "we're all adults here". Ufonuts was my cute way of
including all of us, regardless of nationality, race, height, weight, etc. Maybe
I'm talking over your head. I didn't insult anyone. My grampa told me once the
best way to get attention was to fart loudly. I guess he was right. Yes, I know
all about the NWO - oooh, I'm skeerd! Why don't YOU write Oprah and tell her to
get McClelland on? Why don't ALL OF US write Oprah and tell her to get
McClelland on? And as far as yelling - would you whisper that your house is on
fire? As far as you wishing me good luck on my enterprise, I'm still waiting for
YOUR $5 contribution. The Choir is not worth much if they can't harmonize. Oh
yes, one more thing: JUST DO IT! is not a command - it's a PLEA! To humans, that
is. Are you sure you don't have some Reticulan blood in you? Nice talkin' with
you, tho.......beats screaming at those Nazis pounding on my door!

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State of the Planet
The Project Camelot Blog
____________________________

1 August

• We have just received this personal statement from the ex UFO archivist known
on our site as Mr X, supporting Dr Edgar Mitchell and Clark McClelland in their
own public statements. We have continued to keep in close touch since we first
met him in 2006.

While working for a major aerospace company in the mid 1980's, I was assigned to
a special project. This special project was basically archiving and sorting
government documents of all sorts related to the UFO phenomenon dating from the
late 1940's up to the present at the time. Please see my interview here at
Camelot for more information.

Many of these documents, films and artifacts were sealed, but a small percentage
were not. I was to sort these things into categories, mostly documents and
including hundreds of photos.

When on this assignment, I was exposed to photographs of UFOs and even some of
ETs themselves, both dead and alive. I became very much acquainted with our
government's involvement in UFOs and their occupants.

Although I have not seen any photos or documents that depict any ETs ABOARD any
of our space vehicles, I DID see photos and read documents about sightings of
UFOs during several space flights. Pictures and documents were clear and there
was no doubt in my mind, and still isn't, that there have been sightings during
many of our space flights, at least up to the mid 1980's when I was personally
exposed to this material.

In conclusion, I have very good reason to believe that both Edgar Mitchell and
Clark McClelland are telling the truth in the statements put forth this week on
the internet, and I fully support their effort to get the truth out to the
general public.
_________________

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Cross posting:
From mjc

Dan_B's old pal, KLAS-TV's George Knapp, is back on the ufer scene,
investigating an apparent ufo falling to earth (a large fiery object with a
turquoise hue, according to the female Teleprompter monkey), on May 14th of this
year, somewhere "south" of Los Vegas. Whirlybirds were soon on the scene,
including a sky crane helicopter, as well as the usual heavies driving black US
government vehicles (one particular vehicle had a large dome on top). A chap
called "Bob on the river," who lives on a boat, saw the object crash and a
helicopter take it away in the direction of Area 51. Watch the report here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awGOXaAA0Ts&eurl=http://www.ufoblogger.blogspot.c\
om/

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Correction:


Cross posting:
From mjc

Dan_B's old pal, KLAS-TV's George Knapp, is back on the ufer scene,
investigating an apparent ufo falling to earth (a large fiery object with a
turquoise hue, according to the female Teleprompter monkey), on May 14th of this
year, somewhere "south" of Los Vegas. Whirlybirds were soon on the scene,
including a sky crane helicopter, as well as the usual heavies driving black US
government vehicles (one particular vehicle had a large dome on top). A chap
called "Bob on the river," who lives on a boat, saw the object crash and a
helicopter take it away in the direction of Area 51. Watch the report here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awGOXaAA0Ts&eurl=http://www.ufoblogger.blogspot.c\
om/

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Dear Group,

Please take some time to update yourselves on these important messages from the
space angels of zetaTalk.com.

Are you game for the
truth?





















ZetaTalk: McCain's
Chances

written
August 2, 2008. http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta465.htm

ZetaTalk:
GodlikeProduction Live

written August 2, 2008 on the
GodlikeProduction live chat.

http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta466.htm



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Well, think what you want Dex, but the fact is that Marshal could not
provide the celestial mechanics rationale (based on Sitchin's
orbital hypothesis) that allows a Saturn size planetary mass to enter
our solar system every 3,600 years (for the past 400,000 years) and not
gravitationally affect the asteroid belt.

(Dex-Sitchen could be wrong about that.).

You must realise that Marshall has a very good reason for trying to
establish the existence of Nibiru, because of the book he published, and
his promotion of it on the "Town Hall." Having publicly
commited, both intellectually & financially to Nibiru's existence,
it would be somewhat of a blow to one's ego to realise its
non-existence.

And, if you take a look again at the additional work done on the
original 2012 crop circle, you'll see that the sun has been enlarged
to the orbit of Venus (not going to happen) & three of the crops rows of
straight lines were enlarged, one of them extending a little ways beyond
the orbit of Neptune, all of which, apparently, is supposed to represent
the effect of the approaching Nibiru.

The bottom line is that no one on planet earth can do the celestial
mechanics for a physical planetary Nibiru as postulated by Sitchin,

(Dex- I agree).

because it doesn't fit within the celestial mechanics constraints of
the present/existing solar system.

(Dex- Since these postulated theory's have coincided with other on and off-world
ET opinion's, one example is from Rama in "Date with the Gods mentioning a
Herculobus (aka Planet X, Nibiru, etc,.) Orfeo's "Secret of the Saucers"
indicated worlds with too much preponderance of evil inevitably draws to itself
a ELE asteroid ordained by the cleansing action of the Cosmos's, gives me a lot
to think about. And generally accompanied with remarks suggesting there are
alternative's to adverting this kind of destruction. If this has been the case
for other worlds and as it was shown to Orfeo to be the supposed case with
our's, then, more than likely any information regarding an alleged event of this
kind would be categorically a National Security threat and an ensuing cover up
would obviously be in effect. Crop Circles are watched closely by monitoring
Governments. C.I.A. have sought out means to suppress the information flow by
debunking them with reputable people.
I feel privileged we're able to discuss the scenario).

Hmm, too.

Dean

(Dex)

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"Interesting Regan..I don't know why but through the years I've witnessed
what appears as a personal psy-op to your replies. Even though it isn't a
real psy-op...it just seems to manifest that way.
Why do people take you wrong? Weird.."

         That's an astute observation, Dex.  I know, I do seem to have
received more than my share of personal attacks over the years.  If I'm
attracting them and you can see how I'm doing it, do please let me know.
Dealing with them does take up an inordinate amount of my time and I'd
rather not bother with it if I don't have to.

         Why do people take me wrong?  Well, not everyone does of course.
You, for example, don't seem to.  But regarding those who do, it's hard to
know because they always seem to leave before they've even admitted that
they have taken me wrong and then one cannot ask them why it was anyway.

         I think the problem though is not just that they take me wrong in
the sense of misunderstanding what I say, or my motives for saying it.  It's
a deeper psychological issue than that.  The way I experience it is that
they take personal offence at something I say quite innocently and then they
hit back at me by way of punishment or retribution which they feel
completely justified in inflicting upon me.  I then find myself with the
arduous task of having to explain how what I originally said was innocent
and how their reaction to it was unjustified and unwarranted.  Often they do
not want to hear my explanations.  They just want to be able to make their
judgement of me, deliver punishment accordingly and move on.  But I will not
let them do that.  I insist on facing them with their unjust aggression upon
me and will not let them go until they do face it.  Naturally they find this
embarrassing and distressing.  But it is a situation of their own making.  I
am entitled to hold and express my independent opinion about any of the
subjects that come up for legitimate discussion here and no-one has the
right to punish me, or castigate me, or denigrate me, or cast aspersions
upon my character for holding or expressing it.  So whenever someone does
that, I am always in the right and they are always in the wrong and they
have no hope of winning an argument about it.  I will win it every time.

         Cheers Dex,
             Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: Dex
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland



Interesting Regan..I don't know why but through the years I've witnessed
what appears as a personal psy-op to your replies. Even though it isn't a
real psy-op...it just seems to manifest that way.
Why do people take you wrong? Weird..

Dex

Hi Regan: I know who you are. I see you every day in the faceless masses.
You forgot the part where I said "we're all adults here". Ufonuts was my
cute way of including all of us, regardless of nationality, race, height,
weight, etc. Maybe I'm talking over your head. I didn't insult anyone. My
grampa told me once the best way to get attention was to fart loudly. I
guess he was right. Yes, I know all about the NWO - oooh, I'm skeerd! Why
don't YOU write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on? Why don't ALL OF US
write Oprah and tell her to get McClelland on? And as far as yelling - would
you whisper that your house is on fire? As far as you wishing me good luck
on my enterprise, I'm still waiting for YOUR $5 contribution. The Choir is
not worth much if they can't harmonize. Oh yes, one more thing: JUST DO IT!
is not a command - it's a PLEA! To humans, that is. Are you sure you don't
have some Reticulan blood in you? Nice talkin' with you, tho.......beats
screaming at those Nazis pounding on my door!

Yikes! I can understand your doubting Dean, coming from you it's okay, but,
about the few you spoke of, I hope don't dismiss the information as easily as
you have.

People who knew Orfeo in his days spoke quite highly of him and anyone whom
enquired of him and his experiences would quickly be assured by people who knew
of him intimately he was a very truthful person.
The ET's that contacted him were a special bunch and that information was given
to him to share with the rest of the world for an important reason.

Good luck to you Dean and to all others who want to survive these changes.
I'm hoping the Bio-Satellite worlds that J. J. Hurtak has talked about come in
time to help relieve the over crowding conditions of our planet, thus, helping
avoid the supposed stratagem of any Cabal desiring to play God with the world's
population.
That is possible if the information of these alleged suppositions' are able to
reach the ears of that elite few who need to know of these possibilities.

I believe J. J. was told the Sokar temple ships, and other city sized vehicle's
are to be brought down after when people are left without food, clothing and
shelter. I've seen a photograph of one coming out of the gulf of Mexico and they
are as large as a city.
The higher theme with many visitors has been to assist us with our education for
the ascension, transformation and transfiguration.

Including teaching the new caretakers for our world. Those that choose to
remain.
I suspect many will have to get lifted up, temporally, prior to some of these
cataclysmic changes and returned afterwards. Taken out of the zones of
destruction.
There are some of us being informed of the changes and what's expected of them
afterwards.

The below posting is an interesting read. I have no idea of it's authenticity,
however, it rings a few bells for me, considering the unknown visiting company
that occasionally frequent me.

Dex
__________

From JW

The following information was provided by your
etheric teachers:

This is your first life on Earth. This is not
uncommon, as many have chosen Earth as a recent
i-carnation because the e-olution of all creation via
ascension is centered here. This is also the first life
that you've had a team of etheric teachers to support
you.
You've never been part of the Light before, but you
have an opportunity to ascend if you commit yourself.
This doesn't mean you were a bad person in these lives,
but you weren't committed to the Light, and in fact,
had never heard about it before during any of your
in-arnations. You obviously had heard of it between
your inc-rnations, but there wasn't a lot of
information available for you to investigate further.
Prior to this life, you've had 50 others. So you are
a relatively young s-ul. You were 'born' in your so-l
group approximately 2,301 years ago if you measured in
Earth years. You've spent your 50 previous lifetimes in
universe #780.
In none of these lives, were you humanoid, but had
three different forms during these 50 lives (your
teachers choose not to reveal what you looked like to
me, but may tell you if you seek them in meditation).
In 70% of these lives (35) you were a female, which was
your preferred gender (Generally, beings are always 70%
of their preferred gender).
In none of your lives were you either one of the main
leaders or had great wealth.
In five of the lives you were a slave and worked in
the mines. In 12 of your lives you lived in extreme
poverty. Your average life span for your 50 lives was
30 years of age.
You had one loving relationship (as a female but bore
no children). You have also had three unhappy
relationships as a women, and three unhappy ones as a
man. As a man, you didn't have any children. You were
an orphan once, d-ed of childhood diseases once,
starvation once and you were m-rdered once. 12 times
you were ki-led during invasions of your planet (very
commonplace in that universe).
At this time, Je--s and Buddha (and 20 others from
the F-deration) work quite a bit in that universe as
it's the one with the most turmoil out of all creation.
They'll both be there for another two years.
Your name is something your teachers choose to give
you directly, and you can reach them by practicing
meditation every day. It's very important to develop a
close working relationship with them if you'd like to
ascend.

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OBAMA: Kansas Kathleen
Sebelius - Possible VP Running Mate?

[8-2-08] According to ZetaTalk.com
[http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta465.htm],
the space Zetas are saying that “Obama has already announced his preference
for Sebelius but is holding off as there is no reason to announce early and
lots of reasons to announce at the last minute.”

Mrs. Kathleen Sebelius, a democrat, is serving her second term as Kansas
Governor, and from her Bio
[http://www.governor.ks.gov/about/bio.htm],
she has a very impressive number of accomplishments for instituting aggressive
policies
which benefit all Kansans from education to health insurance issues.

She certainly appear to be very caring, and she has more than enough gumption
and
wherewithal to make a great vice-presidential choice should Barack Obama add
her to his ticket this November.

For more information on Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, please go to her website
 http://www.governor.ks.gov/



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That was pure poetry
----- Original Message -----
From: <masanga@...>
To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland


> 'Regarding Clark McClelland:
>
> hello fellow american ufonuts: seriously, how JADED can we get, Regan?'
>
>        Hello Shane.  Would it be asking too much of you to find out who it
> is that you are setting out to offend before you insult them?  You see,
> perhaps like others on this list I am not "american" and I do not identify
> with the label "ufonut".  As to the question of how JADED you and your
> fellow american ufonuts can get, that's one which I cannot answer for you.
> I guess you will just have to ask yourselves.
>
> 'You "welcome his disclosure"? Look, the world in general is in such
> darkness on these matters because "us, the good guys" are dragging our
> collective feet behind smug, arrogant drivel like you've just written.'
>
>        Oh, that's the reason for the world's darkness on these matters, is
> it?  There was I thinking it was something to do with an Orwellian
> conspiracy between elite members of national governments, international
> power-blocs, religions, secret societies, the MIC, the intelligence
> community, the banking community, big business, the medical establishment,
> the scientific community, the education system and - last but by no means
> least - the media.  So thanks for enlightening me, Shane!  You've
> liberated
> me!  Now I know that all I need to do to really help solve this crippling
> world problem is to stop writing my smug, arrogant drivel that has been so
> dampening the creative spirits of the masses, who would otherwise have
> risen
> up and be clamouring for disclosure by now.  I cannot tell you how
> grateful
> I am to you for lifting this unnecessary burden from my shoulders.
>
> 'And don't anyone tell me that I'm being "rude" or "hostile" either.'
>
>        Why not?  Can't you bear to face the truth of what you are being?
>
> 'Wake up already! Grow up! Pull your head out of (your choice of
> terminology) and let's start yelling about this stuff!'
>
>        I cannot speak for others but I can assure you that I am in process
> of both waking up and growing up and that these are never-ending
> processes.
> But you are making some very ignorant assumptions about us, you know.  How
> do you know that our heads are not precisely where they ought to be?  And
> where is the sense in "yelling about this stuff"?  Who wants to listen to
> someone yelling?  That seems like a sure-fire method of turning people off
> of whatever you want to turn them on to, to me.  It also seems like a daft
> idea to me for people to just start shouting their mouths off about such
> dark and sinister secrets as government involvement with UFOs and ETs in
> today's terror-hyped thought-climate.  All those internment camps that
> we've
> been learning about have not been constructed for no reason, have they?
> Perhaps it's you who needs to do some waking up to what is really going on
> and some growing up to face the challenges of the real world?
>
> 'Where is Stephen with his ufo conferences? Why aren't we at McCain/Obama
> events forcing the issue?'
>
>        I shall leave Stephen to speak for himself.  I have my reasons for
> not attending McCain/Obama events which I do not have to explain or
> justify
> to you. But since you raise the question, would you care to tell us why
> you
> have not yet appeared on the 6 O'clock News as a notable issue-forcer at
> McCain/Obama events?  Or is that something which you only expect other
> people to do?
>
> 'Are we embarrassed? Do we think this subject is too silly for people to
> grasp? How long are we going to sit on our hands and squeak to each other?
> I'm trying to raise funding for a FREE TO THE PUBLIC WORLDWIDE TRAVELING
> SHOW geared to specifically place speakers on ALL suppressed knowledge and
> folks like McClelland in front of the world audience so we can MOVE
> FORWARD
> on this planet and with our humanity.'
>
>        As I have said before, I wish good luck upon your efforts.  I'm not
> trying to stop you or hold you back from doing this, Shane.  Go right
> ahead.
> Good luck!  I hope you succeed in making the liberating breakthrough in
> public awareness of the UFO/ET issue that you desire to make.
>
> 'To trivialize ANYTHING like what McClelland is doing as "speaking to the
> choir" is insulting!'
>
>        I was not trivializing what he is doing by saying that.  It was
> just
> a shorthand way of saying that I think he has been broadcasting a message
> which the UFO/ET-community of the internet has basically already received.
> Therefore I think he needs to try and reach people who are outside the
> UFO/ET-internet community as a priority and I suggested the Oprah Winfrey
> Show as a possible means for him to do that effectively.  Where is the
> insult to McClelland or anyone else in my doing that?
>
> 'The CHOIR should be belting out this stuff like it was the Academy
> Awards!
> Or are we just waiting for Niburu to end everything?'
>
>        I'm afraid the CHOIR is a very scattered, disparate group of people
> who are not all singing from the same score-sheet, let alone singing in
> tune.  There is a lot more to effective group-communication than most
> people
> think.  If we all start "belting out this stuff" it will just produce a
> louder noise than we are already collectively making without improving the
> clarity of our "song".  I cannot see any point in doing that.
>
> 'C'mon, everybody, get off the couch and start MOTIVATING! We've got SO
> much
> going for us..........JUST DO IT!'
>
>        "JUST DO IT!" means, do it regardless of whether you want to or
> whether you think you should, does it not?  It allows us no say in the
> matter.  How's that for the freedom-loving spirit in action?  "JUST DO
> IT!"
> is not a request, not a plea and not an invitation.  It is a command.  Who
> gave you the authority to command us, Shane?
>
>        Regan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shane eden
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Clark C. McClelland
>
>
>
> Regarding Clark McClelland:
>
> hello fellow american ufonuts: seriously, how JADED can we get, Regan? You
> "welcome his disclosure"? Look, the world in general is in such darkness
> on
> these matters because "us, the good guys" are dragging our collective feet
> behind smug, arrogant drivel like you've just written. And don't anyone
> tell
> me that I'm being "rude" or "hostile" either. We're all adults here. Wake
> up
> already! Grow up! Pull your head out of (your choice of terminology) and
> let's start yelling about this stuff! Where is Stephen with his ufo
> conferences? Why aren't we at McCain/Obama events forcing the issue? Are
> we
> embarrassed? Do we think this subject is too silly for people to grasp?
> How
> long are we going to sit on our hands and squeak to each other? I'm trying
> to raise funding for a FREE TO THE PUBLIC WORLDWIDE TRAVELING SHOW geared
> to
> specifically place speakers on ALL suppressed knowledge and folks like
> McClelland in front of the world audience so we can MOVE FORWARD on this
> planet and with our humanity. To trivialize ANYTHING like what McClelland
> is
> doing as "speaking to the choir" is insulting! The CHOIR should be belting
> out this stuff like it was the Academy Awards! Or are we just waiting for
> Niburu to end everything? C'mon, everybody, get off the couch and start
> MOTIVATING! We've got SO much going for us..........JUST DO IT!
>
>
http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I'm not trying to make a point here...
It's the timing that's interesting. The below posting is today's posting by DonD
from the Golden Forum.
I don't know if he reads over here, but, his posting below seemed to me that
this alleged event was witnessed by the author...Hmm

Dex
_____________

Dondep wrote: And "lo and behold", in the second account of a poleshift in our
history (there are a few more), not only is the physical description of what
happened on earth during this particular shift, but a reference is made to "the
Neckless Ones".

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----------------------------------------

CHAPTER FOUR
THE AFFLICTION OF GOD

This comes from the scroll of Kerobal Pakthermin who wrote, "The forbears of all
the nations of man were once one people, and they were the elect of God who
delivered all the Earth over to them, all the people, the beasts of the field,
the creatures of the wasteland and the things that grow. They dwelt through long
ages in lands of peace and plenty."

"There were some who struggled harder, were more disciplined; because their
forefathers had crossed the great dark void, their desires were turned Godward
and they were called The Children of God".

"Their country was undulating and forested. It was fertile, having many rivers
and marshes. There were great mountains to the East and to the West, and in the
North was a vast stony plain."

"Then came the day when all things became still and apprehensive, for God caused
a sign to appear in the Heavens, so that men should know the Earth would be
afflicted, and the sign was a strange star".

"The star grew and waxed to a great brightness and was awesome to behold. It put
forth horns and sang, being unlike any other ever seen. So men , seeing it, said
among themselves, 'Surely, this is God appearing in the Heavens above us'. The
star was not God, though it was directed by His design, but the people had not
the wisdom to understand'.

"Then God manifested Himself in the Heavens. His voice was as the roll of
thunders and He was clothed with smoke and fire. He carried lightings in His
hand and His breath, falling upon the Earth, brought forth brimstone and embers.
His eye was a black void and His mouth an abyss containing the winds of
Destruction. He encircled the whole of the Heavens, bearing upon His back a
black robe adorned with stars".

"Such was the likeness and manifestation of God in those days. Awesome was His
countenance, terrible His voice of wrath, the sun and moon hid themselves in
fear and there was a heavy darkness over the face of the Earth".

"God passed through the spaces of the Heavens above with a mighty roar and a
loud trumpeting. Then came the grim dead silence and black red lit twilight of
doom. Great fires and smoke rose up from the ground and men gasped for air. The
land was rent asunder and swept clean by a mighty deluge of waters. A hole
opened up in the middle of the land, the waters entered and it sank beneath the
seas".

"The mountains of the East and West were split apart and stood up in the midst
of the waters which raged about. The Northland tilted and turned over on its
side".

"Then again the tumult and clamour ceased and all was silent. In the quiet
stillness madness broke out among men, frenzy and shouting filled the air. They
fell upon one another in senseless wanton bloodshed; neither did they spare
woman or child, for they knew not what they did. They ran unseeing, dashing
themselves to destruction. They fled to caves and were buried and, taking refuge
in trees, they were hung. There was rape, murder and violence of every kind".

"The deluge of waters swept back and the land was purged clean. Rain beat down
unceasingly and there were great winds. The surging waters overwhelmed the land
and man, his flocks and his gardens and all his works ceased to exist.".

"Some of the people were saved upon the mountainsides and upon the flotsam, but
they were scattered far apart over the face of the Earth. They fought for
survival in the lands of uncouth people. Amid coldness they survived in caves
and sheltered places".

"The Land of the Little People and the Land of Giants, the Land of the Neckless
Ones and the Land of Marshes and Mists, the Lands of the East and West were all
inundated. The Mountain Land and the Lands of the South, where there is gold and
great beasts, were not covered by the waters".

"Men were distracted and in despair. They rejected the Unseen God behind all
things for something which they had seen and known by its manifestation. They
were less than children in those days and could not know that God had afflicted
the Earth in understanding and not willfully, for the sake of man and the
correction of his ways".

"The Earth is not for the pleasure of man, but is a place of instruction for his
Soul. A man more readily feels the stirrings of his Spirit in the face of
disaster than in the lap of luxury. The tuition of the Soul is a long and
arduous course of instruction and training".

"God is good and from good evil cannot come. He is perfect and perfection cannot
produce imperfection. Only the limited understanding of man sees imperfection in
that which is perfect for its purpose".

"This grievous affliction of man was another of his great tests. He failed and
in so doing followed the paths of unnatural gods of his making. Man makes gods
by naming them, but where in this is the benefit to him?"

"Evil comes in to the midst of mankind spawned by the fears and ignorance of
men. An evil man becomes an evil spirit, and whatever evil there is on Earth
comes either from the evil of spirits or the evil of men".

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The Diamond Crop Circle, for me, symbolizes a Merkabah (Merkaba).
Light Vehicles of the Masters.
And what a variety of Suns (Sons) that have entered our world. Hmm

Dex

From Dee:



In a message dated 8/4/2008 2:41:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mjfussell@... writes:

New Crop Circles in the UK for 2008 has discovered at:-
Watchfield Wind Farm nr Shrivenham, Oxfordshire. Reported 1st August.
_http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/Watchfield/Watchfield2008.html_
(http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/Watchfield/Watchfield2008.html)
Yatesbury, Nr Beckhampton. Wiltshire. Reported 3rd August.
_http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/yatesbury/yatesbury2008.html_
(http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/yatesbury/yatesbury2008.html)
*********************************************************************
.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The scroll of Kerobal Pakthermin looks a very interesting document,
Dex.  I did a Google-search on it and got just one hit (that must be a
record, surely!) - the web-site where it is reproduced.  To see it go to:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/kolbrin_00.htm#Contents

         As usual the original authorship of the document cannot be traced,
checked or verified.  On the question of whether the ancient historical
events which it describes actually took place, a disclaimer is given in the
2nd paragraph of the Introduction where it says:

"The important point, however, is that this is not intended to be a
historical record, an intellectual work or literary effort, it falls short
of these and is rather a coherent and consistent body of spiritual
teachings. It is on this aspect alone that it stands or falls. The spiritual
truths presented here are all that matters, the rest can be regarded as an
embellishment,..... "

         My respects to Dondep, but I think it might not be a good idea to
set too much store by this as a factual account of a previous pole-shift
brought on by a visitation from the planet Nibiru that actually happened on
the physical plane.  But I do find it intriguing.  So that's what the monks
of Glastonbury Abbey were into on the quiet.  Hmmmnn........

         Regards,
          Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: Dex
To: UFOprepare4contact
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] The Affliction Of God


I'm not trying to make a point here...
It's the timing that's interesting. The below posting is today's posting by
DonD from the Golden Forum.
I don't know if he reads over here, but, his posting below seemed to me that
this alleged event was witnessed by the author...Hmm

Dex
_____________

Dondep wrote: And "lo and behold", in the second account of a poleshift in
our history (there are a few more), not only is the physical description of
what happened on earth during this particular shift, but a reference is made
to "the Neckless Ones".

----------------------------------------------------------

CHAPTER FOUR
THE AFFLICTION OF GOD

This comes from the scroll of Kerobal Pakthermin who wrote, "The forbears of
all the nations of man were once one people, and they were the elect of God
who delivered all the Earth over to them, all the people, the beasts of the
field, the creatures of the wasteland and the things that grow. They dwelt
through long ages in lands of peace and plenty."

"There were some who struggled harder, were more disciplined; because their
forefathers had crossed the great dark void, their desires were turned
Godward and they were called The Children of God".

"Their country was undulating and forested. It was fertile, having many
rivers and marshes. There were great mountains to the East and to the West,
and in the North was a vast stony plain."

"Then came the day when all things became still and apprehensive, for God
caused a sign to appear in the Heavens, so that men should know the Earth
would be afflicted, and the sign was a strange star".

"The star grew and waxed to a great brightness and was awesome to behold. It
put forth horns and sang, being unlike any other ever seen. So men , seeing
it, said among themselves, 'Surely, this is God appearing in the Heavens
above us'. The star was not God, though it was directed by His design, but
the people had not the wisdom to understand'.

"Then God manifested Himself in the Heavens. His voice was as the roll of
thunders and He was clothed with smoke and fire. He carried lightings in His
hand and His breath, falling upon the Earth, brought forth brimstone and
embers. His eye was a black void and His mouth an abyss containing the winds
of Destruction. He encircled the whole of the Heavens, bearing upon His back
a black robe adorned with stars".

"Such was the likeness and manifestation of God in those days. Awesome was
His countenance, terrible His voice of wrath, the sun and moon hid
themselves in fear and there was a heavy darkness over the face of the
Earth".

"God passed through the spaces of the Heavens above with a mighty roar and a
loud trumpeting. Then came the grim dead silence and black red lit twilight
of doom. Great fires and smoke rose up from the ground and men gasped for
air. The land was rent asunder and swept clean by a mighty deluge of waters.
A hole opened up in the middle of the land, the waters entered and it sank
beneath the seas".

"The mountains of the East and West were split apart and stood up in the
midst of the waters which raged about. The Northland tilted and turned over
on its side".

"Then again the tumult and clamour ceased and all was silent. In the quiet
stillness madness broke out among men, frenzy and shouting filled the air.
They fell upon one another in senseless wanton bloodshed; neither did they
spare woman or child, for they knew not what they did. They ran unseeing,
dashing themselves to destruction. They fled to caves and were buried and,
taking refuge in trees, they were hung. There was rape, murder and violence
of every kind".

"The deluge of waters swept back and the land was purged clean. Rain beat
down unceasingly and there were great winds. The surging waters overwhelmed
the land and man, his flocks and his gardens and all his works ceased to
exist.".

"Some of the people were saved upon the mountainsides and upon the flotsam,
but they were scattered far apart over the face of the Earth. They fought
for survival in the lands of uncouth people. Amid coldness they survived in
caves and sheltered places".

"The Land of the Little People and the Land of Giants, the Land of the
Neckless Ones and the Land of Marshes and Mists, the Lands of the East and
West were all inundated. The Mountain Land and the Lands of the South, where
there is gold and great beasts, were not covered by the waters".

"Men were distracted and in despair. They rejected the Unseen God behind all
things for something which they had seen and known by its manifestation.
They were less than children in those days and could not know that God had
afflicted the Earth in understanding and not willfully, for the sake of man
and the correction of his ways".

"The Earth is not for the pleasure of man, but is a place of instruction for
his Soul. A man more readily feels the stirrings of his Spirit in the face
of disaster than in the lap of luxury. The tuition of the Soul is a long and
arduous course of instruction and training".

"God is good and from good evil cannot come. He is perfect and perfection
cannot produce imperfection. Only the limited understanding of man sees
imperfection in that which is perfect for its purpose".

"This grievous affliction of man was another of his great tests. He failed
and in so doing followed the paths of unnatural gods of his making. Man
makes gods by naming them, but where in this is the benefit to him?"

"Evil comes in to the midst of mankind spawned by the fears and ignorance of
men. An evil man becomes an evil spirit, and whatever evil there is on Earth
comes either from the evil of spirits or the evil of men".

(Note: STO- Service to others.
             STS- Service to self).
Cross posting.
Antz wrote:

Latest Zeta talk is verging on the ridiculous.I'm sorry DD but some of this just
sounds banana's........
The Zetas said recently the eclipse on Aug 1 will happen as scheduled. They said
it is not yet the time to let an eclipse fail. When is it time when the Zetas
let a solar or lunar eclipse fail, thus stunning the world?

Were we to tell you this, we would be clueing the establishment into the timing
of when they could anticipate public panic to arise. Thus, our lips are
sealed!(In other words...i dont have a bloody clue mate)

(D-Actually, it doesn't follow that they don't know. If they DID know (which is
moot at the moment), then telling 'us' means telling 'them' (the PTB), and
'them' certainly do have plans to lock up the cities. Very articulated plans,
though most of us dimbulbs think it's all due to some pro-actively evil NWO that
simply wants to declare overtly power they already have covertly.)


Will the US government offer disclosure into what was found on Mars this next
week?

They are clearly leaning in this direction, via the disclosure of photos showing
ice mixed into the soil on Mars. Just what day or week an announcement might be
made, we cannot say. This is in the hands of man. (Oh yep,the old 'it's in the
hands of man' palm off)

(D-Think about it for a moment; the trick part of the question (not the answer)
is 'will they offer disclosure....this next week?' Duh. It's all in the
question; properly asked, K.I.S.S.: "Will the US gov't. tell us the truth about
what was found on Mars, period?")


Does Arnold Swartzenegar(spelling!!!) know about Planet X? He is said to back
McCain but verbally praise Obama?

Swartzenegar is in the know, and is expected by the Puppet Master to take charge
of the extensive California region in the Aftertime. (Look out the terminator is
comin back)

Why isn't Clark McClelland story about NASA able to get published and is it true
he lost his pension because of stories he's told about the secret DoD missions
he worked on?

If he were telling stories about secret missions, when coming from a job that
carries national security clearance, he would not be out and about spreading
stories on the Internet. Thus, his claims are untrue. Not every crazy or
attention grabbing individual is assassinated. They are ignored. (Alot of
verifiable personnel say otherwise..Sounds like she doesnt want to lose centre
stage a bit here)


(D-I'll say it again, I have my own issues and frustrations with these Zetas.
And Nancy, and their inability to show that all-important empathy they so tout
we need to have. But then again, she's admitted that they are spiritually not as
developed themselves, despite their technological abilities, particularly
telepathy and ability to read our thoughts. As to "verifiable personnel"......
who is "verifiable", AntZ? Let them swear to it in an affidavit, then! But
NOOOOO!!!! They won't, because when the rubber meets the road, they'll be among
the first to be lynched. As to "centre stage"? She's not on it. They usually
don't want her there. Found out recently she was already on Kerrang! Radio, on a
different show, back in Oct 2005 and Aug 2006. And as much of ZT as I've read, I
never bothered keeping up with "Media Dates". A correspondent who reads here
occasionally told me. But as far as "centre stage", she ain't on it and never
has been. The PTB don't like to enable her getting the STO Zetas message out.
(sheesh.....I never thought I'd have to be justifying these arrogant Zetas'
pronouncements.)

There is also a report that the Zeta's among others have been informed of a
meteor, or comet, due to strike in November and that they are attempting to move
it from its path. If other Zeta's have spoken of this could you? If it breaks
the rules to talk of it, please simply disregard.

This issue was raised a couple weeks ago. Our answer has not changed! Basically,
what reason do you have to believe that any of these other so-called Zeta
sources are true? There is no meteor about to strike. Well,the same can be asked
why should we believe she is espousing the truth????

(D-Good point, AntZ. Yet, what they warned about over the years has indeed come
to pass - with the glaring exception of the 'Grey Lie', which can be argued was
necessary in order to force the selfish humans like Bush and Cheney to play
their hand, which they did. But in general, one has to look at the body of ZT
and determine if you can how much of it resonates and has turned out the way
predicted? My problem is that they exaggerate and continue to obfuscate in their
desire to keep the PTB off-balance, meaning we end up being misled right along
with our human PTB.)

My point here is........if she truly is genuine then why is she not willing to
put a date on events this time around?Scared of law
suits?Recriminations?Told-you-so's?Alot of her comments sound,while
scientifically sound,(but then,there's always google)pompous and arrogant and
closed minded in so far as she seems to think she is the ONLY source of Zeta
info.

(D-ZT is, I'm afraid, the only officially-sanctioned source of "Zeta info"
because it was actually written into the treaty of 1994 with Majestic. Our "STS"
PTB have tried to produce false "Zeta" sources, one of which I asked NL about 2
or 3 years ago, when this was all explained to me. What was written then didn't
hold up, was excessively vague (at least the arrogant Zetas Nancy deals with,
who she is the 'emissary' for, are blunt. No new-age B.S. from them). And
wouldn't that be logical? The humans agree to allow a website to provide info to
the 'common man', then after that source yanks their chain in order to force the
hand of the human sh*ts that rushed into Iraq, they try to get their revenge by
creating 'false' Zeta sources. (It still doesn't account for NL/ZT acting so
pompous and arrogant; I totally agree with that assessment.)

I'm leaning towards the belief she is as much of an attention seeker as D+M,must
have had a lonely childhood,a loner or whatever.


That's your exercise of the "Element of Doubt". However, you should be aware of
a few things here: When I was on the Rob Simone Show 3 years ago (god, can't
believe it's been that long), I suggested to him he should have her on his show,
and he said 'sure, have her contact me' or words to that effect. I had a number
of emails from her at the time, but she never bothered to pro-actively approach
him. Which would be odd for someone who is merely an "attention-seeker". They
did confirm the Tau-9 took place, but that it was a sham, being put on by the
STS. Also, last year, in June, I asked her on her Saturday chat (anonymously,
from the safety of a proxy since I was at work and GLP wasn't allowed) whether
Dan was "STO":

(D-Is Dan Burisch a Service-To-Other soul, and is this why he seems to be a
spokesperson for the secret cabal that includes Cheney?)

We have addressed this privately with DonDep who is an advocate of Burisch. He
is a legitimate MJ12 member, and encountered Service-to-Self aliens during his
work. What he was told were lies, from these Service-to-Self aliens, but Burisch
is telling it straight, in other words, repeating the lies and not trying to
spread disinformation. Of course, as the Service-to-Self alien lies are
disinformation, this is not helpful to humanity.

(D-Now, am I the only one that even knows who Dan Burisch is, that might have
posted a question like that? I posted anonymously, I used a proxy, and they
would have had to know (not Nancy, who wouldn't have been able to determine who
might be using a proxy...if anything, I was emailing other questions to her,
none about Burisch at the time) just who it was. Meaning I was being chastised
by them, OR, if that's not the case, then they were saying I was the only one
qualified or interested in Burisch, who had by then already appeared on Rense
and Camelot videos, etc. Either way, it sent a chill down my spine.

As I said earlier, I have my own issues and frustrations with ZT. Sometimes I
have to admit that my own admittedly-human comprehension is just too primitive
to deal with their pronouncements, but often and especially lately I feel that
they tend to lecture us about 'empathy' yet don't practice what they preach. The
only rejoinder I can make on their behalf when it comes to that issue is that
they were given dominion over the post-shift earth this time as a means to
recover some of those attributes of spirituality they lost when they altered
themselves genetically to eliminate things like anger, and passion, and all
those emotions that make us 'human'. The hybrids they have been making from both
Zetan and human genetics are supposed to take the best of humanity and the best
of the zetas to arrive at the 'new model', which helps restore some of those
'missing links' to them, while assisting us in making the 'next leap forward' to
restore things like telepathy and a single consciousness.

Naturally these are only some of my thoughts on the matter, and I don't mean to
justify everything the Zetas/Nancy Lieder say, because their largest audience
was Majestic, at least until recently. And why would Majestic agents, who have
access to much much more than even lowly CIA and NSA operatives have, take her
seriously? Because only they would know the truth that she and they and that
website was indeed part of the 'treaty'.

Until we have 'proof', we have the 'element of doubt' and the guide of our own
intuition.)
_________________

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cross posting..from Shady

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/tahoe-elf/

Elfin Photo Released

Posted by: Loren Coleman on August 5th, 2008

Tahoe Elf? Nevada Faery? Lake Tahoe Leprechaun? Deneau’s Hobgoblin?

There is a world of good names out there, and this one cannot go down as a
“leprechaun-alien” for long, please.

Lloyd Deneau, 41, of Florida was on vacation at Lake Tahoe, located along the
border between California and Nevada, west of Carson City, Nevada.

He decided to photograph some interesting trees in a forest there. (When?
Exactly where? The reports don’t say.)

The he thought he’d seen a tiny creature darting from the forest. Deneau took
out his camera and proceeded to take a picture of it.

What he saw startled him, and so he snapped off a photograph.

The object, which was called by the unfortunate name already mentioned,
temporarily by children, was no taller than three feet and very elf-like.

Deneau swears the image has not been doctored.

When I took the picture I’m sure there was no one there. It was only when I
downloaded it on my camera that I saw it. I showed it to my friends and family
but no one can explain it.

My kids coined it the ‘leprechaun-alien.’

I have a military background and don’t really believe in aliens, but I can’t
explain this. ~ Lloyd Deneau

As well as an elf, leprechaun and alien, the figure has also been described as a
baby Bigfoot.

Is it a Proto-Pygmy, a gag, or a squirrel? A fairy, a fake, or someone’s photo
fantasy?

I’ll keep you abreast of any photo analyses or further details that I see in the
next few hours or days.

The story first broke in the UK tabloid The Sun and then soon by Fox News.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

62 Zimbabwean School Children Witness ET/UFO – Is It
Real?

Dear Members,

Please check out this amazing short 3 minute video which describes what 62
Zimbabwean
school children say they saw. This was a
live ET/UFO encounter of the 3rd kind. They all say that they each received
alien telepathic messages, that the Judgment Day was nigh, and that catastrophic
changes for the earth was imminent.

Is the video
real, or are these African children playing make-believe?

http://www.hemuz.org/UFO/62-kids-encounter-UFOs-and-alien-beings

Also, check out this
website on the above same subject.

link
: http://www.geocities.com/saufor/sorted/zimbabwe/16Sept1994RuwaZim.html



We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not MOCKED!
  salaam  akwaaba  jambo  Ashogee
   http://zetaheaven.org


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think we need to be careful when drawing conclusions from this
report.  It is one thing to accept that the children saw physical UFOs land
and aliens get out of them.  It is another to accept that some of the
children received a telepathic message from the aliens that we are harming
the world and causing its demise.  The children did not all receive the same
identical message and they might already have been taught that "the end of
the world is nigh" by their human teachers and/or parents.  And it would be
another thing again to accept that this "message from the ETs" was a valid
and accurate prediction of an imminent future event.  Just because ETs say
something is true that doesn't make it true.

         Regan


----- Original Message -----
From: nathaniel x vance
To: alien-teachers@.....
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] 62 Zimbabwean School Children Witness Live ET/UFO
– Is It Real?




62 Zimbabwean School Children Witness ET/UFO – Is It
Real?

Dear Members,

Please check out this amazing short 3 minute video which describes what 62
Zimbabwean
school children say they saw. This was a
live ET/UFO encounter of the 3rd kind. They all say that they each received
alien telepathic messages, that the Judgment Day was nigh, and that
catastrophic
changes for the earth was imminent.

Is the video
real, or are these African children playing make-believe?

http://www.hemuz.org/UFO/62-kids-encounter-UFOs-and-alien-beings

Also, check out this
website on the above same subject.

link
: http://www.geocities.com/saufor/sorted/zimbabwe/16Sept1994RuwaZim.html

We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
MOCKED!
salaam  akwaaba  jambo  Ashogee
http://zetaheaven.org

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actors, institutions and processes associated with an extraterrestrial
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in Space (ICIS), dedicated to preventing the weaponization of space;
transforming the permanent war economy into a peaceful, sustainable New
Energy-based, Space Age society, and supporting cooperation amongst Life in
the Universe.  Alfred has proposed a Truth Amnesty-Disclosure process to
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Great Picture...thanks Shady

http://www.thegoldenthread.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6749#6749

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