One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were coming...
That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to get it
too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk to
them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to get
over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is when
they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm pretty
sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you see
Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...



-----Original Message-----
From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don



I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of Greys.
When I read
of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
described similar
stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys.  It's true; I don't
know for sure
what kind of beings they were.  I've even entertained the possibility that
this could have
all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the government.  I
have all the
"markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
multiple mental
disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that time; I
lived a quarter
mile from a Naval Air Station.  I admit, I don't know for sure what even
actually hppened,
or whether I was even abducted.  As for the rest of my stories/speculations,
I'm just going
on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports.  Again, I'm just
telling my *OWN*
feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be wrong.
However, *right
now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.

Jahnets wrote:
>
> I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the beings but
> were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you know
what
> kind of beings they were???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
>
> Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently.  However, I have strong
> "instincts"
> that I trust very well.  I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of "menace" that
> was much
> different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of something
> unknown.  If
> they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding of
human
> psychology.
> This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have lost
> their contact
> with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy with
> other beings.
> As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly good
job
> of describing
> their psychology,..almost.  They may have had some lost feeble notion of
> what "teasing"
> is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding of the
> terror which
> they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of understanding.
>
> Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place in our
> overall
> "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their true
> nature.  It
> doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
"enlighten"
> me.  Nor
> does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of "role"
> that they are
> playing in our own development.  The Hindu Bagavaghita describes such
> entities perfectly
> as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power but
> "filled with
> darkness"(spiritual ignorance).  They are "desperate" entities trying to
> maintain their
> existence.  Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though our
> contact or
> experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our own
> reactive survival
> insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually serene
after
> living throgh
> some disaster or catastrophe.
>
> I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
"Force"
> in Star Wars.
> There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".  We may
> be the resultant
> "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan" for us,
> but many other
> "lesser gods" have interfered since.  And also, because of our own FREE
> WILL, we have LONG
> since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning back
> now.  We are our
> OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
encouraged
> us to realize.
> The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize* our own
> GODHOOD,..the
> sooner the better.
>
> Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical understanding
> because of your
> experiences.  You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and they
have
> told you much.
> I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
> understanding but I have
> NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any kind.  My
> understanding
> comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
>
> Don
>
> dexxxaa wrote:
> >
> > I would run around the house and hide
> > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
> > were "taunting" me.
> > *****************
> > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
> > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
> > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
> > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc in
> > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
> > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
> > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
> > Dex
> >
>
   --------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> >
> >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
> --
> What If --------------------------?
> DRxDON
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>                                                       --------------------
-------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
>
>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


--
What If --------------------------?
DRxDON



Yahoo! Groups Links

Janet,

I don't remember the squirrel in Taken, then I didn't see every episode all
the way through.  As for that feeling of fear when they are approaching, I
have several *possible* explanations for it.  Primarily, I still go back to
the "truth" within our basic instincts.  Just because they are "primitive"
doesn't mean that they are wrong or "outdated".  They are very often right.
They always say that "first impressions" that one has of someone are most
often correct; something just doesn't "feel right" about them.

However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when something
IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
"predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's "false"
confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator.

In the case of your relationship with your Grey, though, I DID say that I
thought it quite plausible that there are a number of greys that want to
regain more human based emotions which they had lost, as in Spielberg's
"Taken".  Yours may be one of the more successful ones in this endeavor.

I agree with you about the intensity of the original fear probably being
*primarily* a result of the "force" released when the "dimensional door"
is opened.  It is why all the dogs start barking and howling when there is
a close encounter taking place.  I said that I sensed they actually are
responsible for "creating and directing" time itself.  If this is so, since
our ego consciousness is so fixated upon "time", it would be no wonder that
an initial close psychological contact with them would make one feel like
their very ego identity were being "torn apart", as many abductees describe.
Afterall, the person is entering a realm wherein linear time starts to break
up, so too then does the ego feel the same.  Again, I'm not sure that this is
intentional on the entities' part; it may just be incidental as part of the
contact experience as I described above.  However, I still feel that they
(most of them, anyway) have lost the empathy to truly understand the effect
that this has on people.  Again, I think that "Taken" paints a fairly good
picture of their basic psychology.

As for your "nanite" question in your other post, I have never heard of the
"bite marks" that you describe.

Don


Jahnets wrote:
>
> One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were coming...
> That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to get it
> too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk to
> them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to get
> over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is when
> they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm pretty
> sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
> natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you see
> Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
>
> I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of Greys.
> When I read
> of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
> described similar
> stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys.  It's true; I don't
> know for sure
> what kind of beings they were.  I've even entertained the possibility that
> this could have
> all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the government.  I
> have all the
> "markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
> multiple mental
> disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that time; I
> lived a quarter
> mile from a Naval Air Station.  I admit, I don't know for sure what even
> actually hppened,
> or whether I was even abducted.  As for the rest of my stories/speculations,
> I'm just going
> on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports.  Again, I'm just
> telling my *OWN*
> feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be wrong.
> However, *right
> now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.
>
> Jahnets wrote:
> >
> > I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the beings but
> > were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you know
> what
> > kind of beings they were???
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> >
> > Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently.  However, I have strong
> > "instincts"
> > that I trust very well.  I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of "menace" that
> > was much
> > different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of something
> > unknown.  If
> > they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding of
> human
> > psychology.
> > This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have lost
> > their contact
> > with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy with
> > other beings.
> > As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly good
> job
> > of describing
> > their psychology,..almost.  They may have had some lost feeble notion of
> > what "teasing"
> > is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding of the
> > terror which
> > they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of understanding.
> >
> > Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place in our
> > overall
> > "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their true
> > nature.  It
> > doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
> "enlighten"
> > me.  Nor
> > does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of "role"
> > that they are
> > playing in our own development.  The Hindu Bagavaghita describes such
> > entities perfectly
> > as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power but
> > "filled with
> > darkness"(spiritual ignorance).  They are "desperate" entities trying to
> > maintain their
> > existence.  Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though our
> > contact or
> > experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our own
> > reactive survival
> > insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually serene
> after
> > living throgh
> > some disaster or catastrophe.
> >
> > I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
> "Force"
> > in Star Wars.
> > There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".  We may
> > be the resultant
> > "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan" for us,
> > but many other
> > "lesser gods" have interfered since.  And also, because of our own FREE
> > WILL, we have LONG
> > since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning back
> > now.  We are our
> > OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
> encouraged
> > us to realize.
> > The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize* our own
> > GODHOOD,..the
> > sooner the better.
> >
> > Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical understanding
> > because of your
> > experiences.  You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and they
> have
> > told you much.
> > I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
> > understanding but I have
> > NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any kind.  My
> > understanding
> > comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > dexxxaa wrote:
> > >
> > > I would run around the house and hide
> > > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
> > > were "taunting" me.
> > > *****************
> > > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
> > > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
> > > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
> > > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc in
> > > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
> > > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
> > > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
> > > Dex
> > >
> >
>   --------------------
> > -------------------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > >
> > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> > --
> > What If --------------------------?
> > DRxDON
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >                                                       --------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> >
> >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
> --
> What If --------------------------?
> DRxDON
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>                                                      
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
>
>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


--
What If --------------------------?
DRxDON

Dear Friends,

http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=100400&format=html

Love and Light.

David



Rod Martin, resource teacher at William M. Brish Planetarium in Hagerstown,
displays a projection of the Great Orion nebula. (Photo credit: Yvette May /
Staff Photographer)
Sunday January 2, 2005Is anyone out there?Scientists continue to aim for
astrobiological answers to the questionby ANDREA ROWLAND
-->

andrear@...



A universal longing to solve two of life's enduring mysteries - Where did we
come from? Are we alone? - drives scientists to continue to searching the sky
for answers. Increasingly sophisticated technology aids astrobiologists -
scientists from a variety of disciplines who study the origins, evolution,
distribution, and future of life in the universe - in their quest to unlock the
secrets of space.



Since the first scientific search for extraterrestrial intelligence 40 years
ago, scientists, including Dr. Jill Tarter of the SETI Institute, have searched
our more than 10-billion-year-old galaxy with optical and radio telescopes -
looking and listening for signals that nature alone could not produce. In the
radio spectrum, that might mean lots of energy compressed into small
frequencies; in the optical spectrum, lots of energy compressed into a small
amount of time - such as a light blinking very fast - might indicate
technological prowess, said Tarter, a renowned astrophysicist who serves as
director of the Center for SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence)
Research at the private, nonprofit SETI Institute in California.



SETI researchers target their searches around sun-like stars and conduct broader
sky surveys that use telescopes to scan wide swaths of space, said Tarter, who
in 1984 helped to found the SETI Institute. The targeted searches are capable of
detecting weaker extraterrestrial transmission signals, but the sky surveys can
spot stronger signals within a much larger area, she said.



Though astrobiologists' efforts have been fruitless so far, four decades is but
a drop in the cosmic time bucket for such an important mission, she said.



"We haven't really begun to scratch the surface" - but because the stakes are so
high, the National Academy of Sciences has recommended that SETI's mission be
pursued, Tarter said. "Because human beings have been asking this very, very
important question - Are we alone? - for so long, it's worth taking the time to
find the answer."



While it would be exciting to discover evidence of extinct or extant microbial
life elsewhere in our solar system and beyond, "When people ask this 'are we
alone' question, they're not asking, 'Is there more pond scum out there, more
green algae?' They're asking about sentient life," Tarter said. "We're pretty
clear that anything we're going to find is going to have been able to construct
some kind of transmitter. ... What we're talking about is finding something that
has the ability to use technology - but it might not be like us at all."



The ABCs of astrobiology


Astrobiology isn't about tracking UFOs or seeking little green men, Tarter said.
"We're talking about a scientific exploration that is carried out using the best
technology we can put together and adhering to strict scientific standards," she
said. "It is significantly different than the pseudo-science that is so
lucrative these days."



This NASA Astrobiology Roadmap - online at www.astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/roadmap
- outlines astrobiological research goals for NASA employees, academic
scientists and others working toward understanding how life begins and evolves,
whether life exists elsewhere in the universe, and what is the future of life on
earth and beyond. The roadmap's seven key domains of investigation include:



· Understand the nature and distribution of habitable environments in the
universe.

· Explore for past or present habitable environments, prebiotic chemistry and
signs of life elsewhere in our solar system.

· Understand how life originates from cosmic and planetary precursors.

· Understand how past life on earth interacted with its changing planetary and
solar system environment.

· Understand the evolutionary mechanisms and environmental limits of life.

· Understand the principles that will shape the future of life, both on earth
and beyond.

· Determine how to recognize signatures of life on other worlds and on early
earth.



Once called cosmic evolution, the field today known as astrobiology is a rapidly
growing science that's attracting bright young scientific minds, Tarter said.
She credits the field's growth to new funding sources, a broader definition of
where life possibly could exist based upon the success of extremophiles - things
that live in very extreme conditions - and knowledge of planets outside our
solar system.



Technological advances and growing evidence of habitable zones around stars
other than the sun make scientists more optimistic than ever that they will find
signals from space indicating that humans aren't alone in the universe,
according to information on the SETI Web site at www.seti.org.



Astronomical odds and 'the Goldilocks zone'


The Milky Way Galaxy alone contains about 400 billion stars, and astronomers
estimate that there are between 80 billion and 120 billion galaxies in the
universe.



"I think we're arrogant if we think there's not other life in the universe,"
said Rod Martin, resource teacher at Washington County Public Schools' William
M. Brish Planetarium in Hagerstown.



A new program at the planetarium, "In Search of New Worlds," will explore the
hunt for other planets that might be able to sustain life, Martin said. In
addition to discussing the discovery of planets in our own solar system, the
prerecorded, 35-minute presentation will discuss the technology that scientists
are now using to search for potentially habitable planets around stars in other
galaxies, he said.



"You have to find the region around the star where the temperature is just
right," Martin said. This zone of habitability - the area where life can exist -
is known as "the Goldilocks zone," he said. "It's not too cold; it's not too
hot; it's just right."



The star temperature spectrum ranges from the cooler reds to the hottest blues
and whites. Red stars likely lack the heat and mass needed to form planets and
sustain life, and blue and white stars - though massive enough to form planets -
burn so hot and fast that they "probably go to red giants or supernovas before
life could form on the planets," Martin said.



That's why scientists are targeting their search for habitable planets primarily
around relatively temperate yellow stars like the sun, he said.



In addition to finding stars' habitable zones, scientists use space-based and
giant ground-based telescopes fitted with spectrographs - instruments that
separate radiation into a spectrum and record the spectrum in one way or another
for later analysis - to investigate planetary properties that would make life
possible, Martin said. A tiny fraction of the star's light is absorbed by the
planet's atmosphere while it transits the star; detailed analysis of its
spectrum tells scientists about the chemical composition of the planet's
atmosphere, and, in some cases, the surface of the planet.



High-resolution spectrographs can capture the planet's visible and infrared
spectrum, which scientists can then analyze for such information as the gases
present in the atmosphere, and the presence of clouds, the greenhouse effect and
surface vegetation - data that can confirm or rule out the possibility of life,
according to information from NASA's Origins Project Web site at
www.origins.jpl.nasa.gov.



Planet hunters


NASA's Origins Program brings together scientists from NASA, SETI and other
organizations in hopes of discovering which extrasolar planets might be
conducive for life and detecting actual evidence for life on those planets.
Using our own solar system as a model, the most reasonable home for life
elsewhere in the universe is a terrestrial planet (or rocky satellite of a giant
planet) that lies within its star's habitable zone so that liquid water can flow
on its surface, according to information from the Origins Project Web site.



Studies of planet-induced velocity "wobbles" of other stars already have found
more than 100 giant planets orbiting their parent stars; terrestrial planets are
harder to locate because of their small size and relative closeness to their
parent stars, according to the Origins Program Web site. But honing new
observational tools to study the properties of these giant planets - which
constrain the orbits left available to terrestrial planets - is a big step
toward developing the more advanced tools that will later be required for
finding and studying terrestrial planets.



To this end, NASA in 2007 will launch a small space telescope with a wide
optical lens - capable of viewing 100,000 stars at once - into the Orion arm of
our galaxy, Tarter said. "It will stare at those 100,000 stars without blinking
for four years," she said. If a star blinks back, Tarter said, it might mean
that a planet has passed in front of the star and blocked its light. If the same
star dims again, scientists could use the optical evidence gathered over time to
predict planetary orbit, she said.



"Kepler will begin to give us the demographics of terrestrial-like planets,"
Tarter said.



In conjunction with the Kepler mission, the Space Interferometry Mission (SIM)
will use a sophisticated interferometer - an instrument for measuring
wavelengths of light and very small distances and thicknesses, for determining
indices of refraction, and for analyzing small parts of a spectrum by means of
the interference phenomena of light - to detect terrestrial planets if they
exist in orbit around nearby stars, and measure their masses, according to
information from NASA.



Tarter said findings from Kepler and SIM will influence the design of the
Terrestrial Planet Finder (TPF), which NASA plans to launch within the next 20
years. The goal of TPF is to image nearby solar systems with enough precision
and sensitivity to separate out the light from a rocky planet in orbit within or
near the star's habitable zone, from the parent star itself, according to
information from NASA. Scientists expect TPF to find existing terrestrial
planets around any of about 150 stars closer than about 15 parsecs to earth. To
put this distance in perspective, the nearest star is about 1.3 parsecs from
earth.



Ultimately, the search for life beyond earth will require the development of
complex tools to detect signs of life - such "biosignatures" as oxygen, ozone,
nitrous oxide and, possibly, methane gas - on targeted terrestrial planets.
Future astrobiologists also will work toward extending their life search to
further planetary systems, according to NASA.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Area+51&actio\
n=page&obj_id=2154

Love and Light.

David

From the UFO Archives
Crashed UFO Or Out-Of-Control Missile?Government Secrecy And UFOs
---------------------------------
Dateline: Monday, January 3, 2005
By: NICK REDFERNBy: Phenomena US Editor In Chief
		 800)  w = 750  if (h>600)  h = 550  popupWin = window.open(url, name,
'toolbar='+ t + ',location=' + l + ',scrollbars=' + s + ',menubars=' + m +
',resizable=' + r + ',width=' + w + ',height=' + h);  }  //done hiding --> While
browsing through a variety of British Air Ministry and Army files on UFOs at the
National Archive, Kew, England in 1996, I came across a solitary newspaper
clipping contained in one particular file that related to an incident that had
occurred at Walthamstow, England, in 1964.

According to the clipping, at 8.43 p.m. on the evening of 13 April 1964, a
Walthamstow-based bus driver, Bob Fall, was driving along Ferry Lane near the
River Lea in Walthamstow when his attention was drawn to a fast-moving aerial
object, which barely missed his bus, and plunged into the river near the Ferry
Lane Bridge.

At the time, Fall recalled that: “I just glanced into the sky and saw something
coming towards me very, very fast. It flew straight across the road and, had I
been a few yards further forward, it would have hit the top deck of the bus. At
first I thought the back windows of the bus had come in and, as I turned around,
I saw all the passengers looking out towards the river. There was a big splash
in the water. I stopped as soon as I could to report it.”

As I continued to read the newspaper article, I was amused to see that a police
spokesperson had ventured the possibility that the object had merely been “four
ducks” flying in formation!

Bob Fall quickly discounted this possibility: “The thing was at least nine feet
long, cigar-shaped and silver. If it had been a bird or birds I [would] have
seen the wings. Besides, it was going too fast.”

That was all I needed to persuade me to look into the case further. There was of
course a possibility that the object – given its small size – was part of an
aircraft, or, worse still, a stray missile dropped inadvertently from a passing
military aircraft. It should be noted, however, that the press clipping was
contained within a file devoted solely to the investigation of UFO encounters.

I scanned other files at the National Archive for any and all papers relating to
an incident involving a crashed or disabled aircraft at the time, but had no
luck. Digging into the event, however, I learned that the investigator Ronald
Caswell had looked into the crash and had uncovered a wealth of data that had
been almost completely forgotten or overlooked by present-day researchers.

Caswell was undoubtedly on to something, and he made an intriguing move.
Reviewing a letter that he had written to the Air Ministry two weeks after the
mystery object plunged into the River Lea, I noted that he had elected to inform
the Air Ministry of the details of his own investigation.

Indeed, Caswell informed the Air Ministry that he had visited the site in
question and had learned that the object had actually hit a set of telephone
wires as it plummeted towards the river. Caswell also advised the Air Ministry
that he had a piece of the aforementioned wire in his possession.
Notably, Caswell added further that while walking the length of the river, he
had come across a “river policeman” working near the lockkeeper’s house. It
transpired that the very talkative policeman had himself been present at 11 p.m.
on 13 April 1964 and he had assisted officers from Greenleaf Police Station in
dragging the river.

Curiously, however, when Caswell indicated the area of the river that he had
been examining, the river policeman revealed that he was looking in the wrong
place and took Caswell across a foot-bridge, around a “grassy island” and to an
area that forked from the main river. The water, said Caswell, was no more than
4-6 feet deep at this location. Caswell was advised (by the policeman) that
nothing had been found after the water had been dragged.

Caswell further informed the Air Ministry that this was in stark contrast to the
data that he had uncovered and that suggested after the general public had been
“cleared off,” heavy lifting gear was brought in during the early hours of the
following morning to recover whatever it was that had crashed. Not only that:
Caswell had also learned that the location where the mystery object had crashed
was at another point on the river to that which the river policeman had advised
him, and where the water was 30-40 feet in depth.

Interestingly, Caswell’s investigations had also uncovered the intriguing fact
that a “Wing-Commander from the Air Ministry” had personally driven to
Walthamstow on 25 April 1964, to interview the bus driver, Bob Fall.

A further examination of the file showed me that on 14 May 1964, Caswell
received a reply from a Mr. R. A. Langton at the Air Ministry, who stated that
he had not further reports on the Walthamstow incident. “I hesitate to suggest
any possible identification for the Walthamstow object,” he added.

However, Langton seemed far more intrigued by Caswell’s assertion that Bob Fall
had received a visit from an unidentified Wing-Commander: “If a wing commander
from the Air Ministry took the trouble of driving to Walthamstow to interrogate
the bus-driver on 25 April, I should be most grateful for any further
information you may have that would enable me to identify him,” added Langton to
Caswell.

Despite the genuinely intriguing nature of the data uncovered by Ronald Caswell
(that suggested something had indeed crashed and had been recovered undercover
of darkness from the River Lea), the incident was never resolved – at least, not
publicly.

Was the incident nothing but a case of misidentification, as the police
suggested? Was the strange object part of an aircraft or a stray missile even?
Or could it have been something more exotic and of relevance to the UFO
controversy?

Perhaps someone, somewhere, knows. Or perhaps the answers still lie buried
somewhere in the River Lea…

References: Walthamstow Guardian newspaper 17 April 1964; Letter from Ronald
Caswell to the British Air Ministry, 29 April 1964; National Archive files: AIR
2/17982 and AIR 2/17983. Crown copyright exists.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when something
IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
"predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's "false"
confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator."

Don, I didn't say anything about spiders here so this must be from a long
time ago??? However that last sentence is exactly what I feel is a human
judgement. They aren't human and don't act like us... See what I mean. Just
because humans are cons doesn't mean another race will act in a like manner.
They aren't human. ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:54 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don




Janet,

I don't remember the squirrel in Taken, then I didn't see every episode all
the way through.  As for that feeling of fear when they are approaching, I
have several *possible* explanations for it.  Primarily, I still go back to
the "truth" within our basic instincts.  Just because they are "primitive"
doesn't mean that they are wrong or "outdated".  They are very often right.
They always say that "first impressions" that one has of someone are most
often correct; something just doesn't "feel right" about them.

However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when something
IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
"predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's "false"
confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator.

In the case of your relationship with your Grey, though, I DID say that I
thought it quite plausible that there are a number of greys that want to
regain more human based emotions which they had lost, as in Spielberg's
"Taken".  Yours may be one of the more successful ones in this endeavor.

I agree with you about the intensity of the original fear probably being
*primarily* a result of the "force" released when the "dimensional door"
is opened.  It is why all the dogs start barking and howling when there is
a close encounter taking place.  I said that I sensed they actually are
responsible for "creating and directing" time itself.  If this is so, since
our ego consciousness is so fixated upon "time", it would be no wonder that
an initial close psychological contact with them would make one feel like
their very ego identity were being "torn apart", as many abductees describe.
Afterall, the person is entering a realm wherein linear time starts to break
up, so too then does the ego feel the same.  Again, I'm not sure that this
is
intentional on the entities' part; it may just be incidental as part of the
contact experience as I described above.  However, I still feel that they
(most of them, anyway) have lost the empathy to truly understand the effect
that this has on people.  Again, I think that "Taken" paints a fairly good
picture of their basic psychology.

As for your "nanite" question in your other post, I have never heard of the
"bite marks" that you describe.

Don


Jahnets wrote:
>
> One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were coming...
> That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to get it
> too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk to
> them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to get
> over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is
when
> they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm pretty
> sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
> natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you see
> Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
>
> I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of
Greys.
> When I read
> of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
> described similar
> stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys.  It's true; I
don't
> know for sure
> what kind of beings they were.  I've even entertained the possibility that
> this could have
> all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the government.
I
> have all the
> "markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
> multiple mental
> disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that time; I
> lived a quarter
> mile from a Naval Air Station.  I admit, I don't know for sure what even
> actually hppened,
> or whether I was even abducted.  As for the rest of my
stories/speculations,
> I'm just going
> on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports.  Again, I'm just
> telling my *OWN*
> feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be
wrong.
> However, *right
> now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.
>
> Jahnets wrote:
> >
> > I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the beings
but
> > were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you know
> what
> > kind of beings they were???
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> >
> > Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently.  However, I have strong
> > "instincts"
> > that I trust very well.  I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of "menace"
that
> > was much
> > different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of something
> > unknown.  If
> > they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding of
> human
> > psychology.
> > This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have lost
> > their contact
> > with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy with
> > other beings.
> > As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly good
> job
> > of describing
> > their psychology,..almost.  They may have had some lost feeble notion of
> > what "teasing"
> > is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding of
the
> > terror which
> > they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of understanding.
> >
> > Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place in
our
> > overall
> > "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their
true
> > nature.  It
> > doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
> "enlighten"
> > me.  Nor
> > does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of "role"
> > that they are
> > playing in our own development.  The Hindu Bagavaghita describes such
> > entities perfectly
> > as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power but
> > "filled with
> > darkness"(spiritual ignorance).  They are "desperate" entities trying to
> > maintain their
> > existence.  Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though our
> > contact or
> > experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our own
> > reactive survival
> > insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually serene
> after
> > living throgh
> > some disaster or catastrophe.
> >
> > I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
> "Force"
> > in Star Wars.
> > There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".  We
may
> > be the resultant
> > "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan" for
us,
> > but many other
> > "lesser gods" have interfered since.  And also, because of our own FREE
> > WILL, we have LONG
> > since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning
back
> > now.  We are our
> > OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
> encouraged
> > us to realize.
> > The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize* our
own
> > GODHOOD,..the
> > sooner the better.
> >
> > Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical understanding
> > because of your
> > experiences.  You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and they
> have
> > told you much.
> > I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
> > understanding but I have
> > NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any kind.
My
> > understanding
> > comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > dexxxaa wrote:
> > >
> > > I would run around the house and hide
> > > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
> > > were "taunting" me.
> > > *****************
> > > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
> > > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
> > > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
> > > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc in
> > > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
> > > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
> > > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
> > > Dex
> > >
> >
>   --------------------
> > -------------------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > >
> > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> > --
> > What If --------------------------?
> > DRxDON
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
   --------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> >
> >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
> --
> What If --------------------------?
> DRxDON
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>                                                       --------------------
-------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
>
>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


--
What If --------------------------?
DRxDON



Yahoo! Groups Links

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Lehane III
To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [prepare4contact] Fwd: Boriska-boy from Mars have read the story
already in polish monthly../I've posted pics of LIVE mars creatures including
bipeds.


The most recent discovery here is that we are surrounded by interdimensional
beings,unseen every day.I'm finding them in photos from worldwide locations and
various decades where the photographers had no knowledge before or after they
had accidentally captured documentation of interdimensionals .These beings can
be seen by some people apparently,in real time and real life.....not by me
however.It takes photo processing.I posted them at the end of the Mars pics in
variopus yahoo groups.This is just scratching the surface,so it's a new wave of
discovery thru photos. Pics posted in yahoo groups eceti-chat,space
people,ShowInQuotes,prepare4contact,space_expedition,punktress   Jerry Lehane
III j.lehane@verizon .net
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: IrenCzajka@...
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:49 AM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] Fwd: Boriska-boy from Mars have read the story
already in polish monthly...






   In einer eMail vom 2005-01-03 01:38:40 Westeuropäische Normalzeit  schreibt
   DEre331122: Got this story sent from our Dianne... but read it  already few
   month ago.. it  was in
   Poland in the polish monthly review...nieznany swiat... cannot  remember  the
   date .. but the story seems true ...and is really  exciting about a starseed
   Boriska in Russia? Who knows more than all  scientist together...



   -----------------
   Weitergeleitete  Nachricht:
   Thema: Boriska-boy from Mars   Datum: 2005-01-02 19:32:05 Westeuropäische
   Normalzeit  Von: _kaycarty@..._ (mailto:kaycarty@...)   An:
   _DEre331122@..._ (mailto:DEre331122@...)   Internet-eMail: _(Details)_
   (aolmsg://03b76cc8/inethdr/2)


   Boriska-boy from Mars
   03/12/2004 19:38

   Sometimes,  some children are born with quite fascinating talents,
   unusual  abilities.

   I was told the story of an unusual boy named Boriska  from members of an
   expedition to the anomaly zone located in the  north of the Volgograd
   region, most commonly referred to as  "Medvedetskaya gryada."

   "Can you imagine, while everyone was  sitting around the campfire at
   night, some little boy (about 7 years  of age) suddenly asked everyone"s
   attention. Turned out, he wanted  to tell them all about life on Mars,
   about its inhabitants and their  flights to earth," shares one of the
   witnesses. Silence followed. It  was incredible! The little boy with gigantic
   lively eyes was about  to tell a magnificent story about the Martian
   civilization, about  megalithic cities, their spaceships and flights to
   various planets,  about a wonderful country Lemuria, life of which he knew
   in details  since he happened to descend there from Mars, had friends
   there.

   Logs were cracking, night's fog enveloped the area and  the immense dark
   sky with myriads of brightly lit stars seemed to  conceal some sort of a
   mystery. His story lasted for about an hour  and a half. One guy was
   smart enough to tape the entire narration.  Many were stunned by the two
   distinctive factors. First of all, the  boy possessed exceptionally
   profound  knowledge. His intellect  was obviously far from that of a typical
   7-year-old. Not every  professor is capable of narrating the entire
   history of Lemuria and  Lemurians and its inhabitants in such details. You
   will be unable to  find any mentioning of this country in school
   textbooks. Modern  science has not yet proved existence of other
   civilizations.

   Second of all, we were all amazed by the actual  speech of this young
   boy. It was far from the kind kids his age  usually use. His knowledge of
   specific terminology, details and  facts from Mars and Earth's past
   fascinated everyone.

   Why did  he start the conversation in the first place, said my
   interlocutor.  Perhaps, he was simply touched by the overall   atmosphere of
   our
   camp with many knowledgeable and open-minded people, continued  he.

   Could he make this all up? Doubtful, objected my friend. To  me this
   looks more like the boy was sharing his personal memories  from past
   births. It is virtually impossible to make up such  stories; one really had
   to
   know them.

   Today, after meeting  with Boris' parents and getting to know the boy
   better, I begin to  carefully sort out all the information obtained around
   that  campfire. He was born in Volzhskii town in a suburban hospital,
   even  though officially, based on the paperwork, his birthplace is the
   town of Zhirnovsk of Volgograd region. His birthday is January 11th,  1996.
   (Perhaps it will be helpful for astrologers). His parents seem  to be
   wonderful people. Nadezhda, Boriska's mother, is a  dermatologist in a
   public clinic. She graduated from Volgograd  medical institute not so long
   ago in 1991. The boy's father is a  retired officer. Both of them would
   be happy if someone could shed  the light onto the mystery behind their
   child. In the meantime,  they  simply observe him and watch him grow.

   After Boriska  was born, I noticed he was able to hold his head in 15
   days, recalls  Nadezhda.  His first word "baba" he uttered when he was 4
   months old and very soon afterward started talking. At age 7 months,  he
   constructed his first sentence, "I want a nail." He said this
   particular phrase after noticing a nail stuck in the wall. Most  notably, his
   intellectual abilities surpassed his physical  ones.

   "How did those abilities manifest themselves?"

   When  Boris was just one year old, I started giving him letters (based
   on  the Nikitin's system) and guess what, at 1.5 he was able to read
   large newspaper print. It didn't take long for him to get acquainted  with
   colors and their shades. He began to paint at 2.

   Then,  soon after he turned 2, we took him to the children day care
   center.  Teachers were all stunned by his talents and his unusual way of
   thinking. The boy possesses exceptional memory and an unbelievable  ability
   to grasp new information. However, his parents soon noticed  that their
   child had been acquiring information in his own unique  way, from some
   place else.

   No one has ever taught him that,  recalls Nadya. But sometimes, he would
   sit in a lotus position and  start all these talks. He would talk about
   Mars, about planetary  systems, distant civilizations. We couldn't
   believe our own ears.  How can a kid know all this? Cosmos, never-ending
   stories of other  worlds and the immense skies, are like daily mantras for
   him since  he was 2.

   It was then that Boriska told us about his previous  life on Mars, about
   the fact that the planet was in fact inhabited,  but as a result of the
   most powerful and destructive catastrophe had  lost its atmosphere and
   that nowadays all its inhabitants have to  live in underground cities.
   Back then, he used to fly to earth quite  often for trade and other
   research purposes. It seems that Boriska  piloted his spaceship himself. This
   was during the times of the  Lemurian civilizations. He had a Lemurian
   friend who had been killed  right before his own eyes. A major
   catastrophe took place on earth.  A gigantic continent was consumed by stormy
   waters. Then suddenly, a  massive rock fell on a construction site his
   friend was there, tells  Boriska. I could not save him. We are destined to
   meet some time in  this life.

   The boy envisions the entire picture of the fall of  Lemuria as though
   it happened yesterday. He grieves the death of his  best friend as though
   it was his fault.

   One day, he noticed a  book in his mother's bag entitled, "Where do we
   come from?" by Ernst  Muldashev. One should have seen the kind of
   happiness and  fascination this discovery triggered in the little boy. He's
   been  flipping through pages for hours, looking at sketches of Lemurians,
   photos of Tibet. He then started talking about high intellect of the
   Lemurians.

   But Lemuria ceased to exist minimum 800,000 years  ago, I uttered in
   response to his statements. Lemurians were 9  meters tall! Is that so? How
   can you remember all this? I do  remember, replied the boy.

   Later, he began recalling another book  by Muldashev entitled, "In
   Search of the City of Gods." The book is  mainly devoted to ancient tombs and
   pyramids. Boriska firmly stated  that people will find knowledge under
   one of the pyramids (not the  pyramid of Heops). It hasn't been
   discovered yet. "Life will change  once the Sphinx will be opened," said he
   and
   added that the great  Sphinx has an opening mechanism somewhere behind
   his ear (but he  does not remember where exactly). The boy also talks with
   great  passion and enthusiasm about the Mayan civilization. According to
   him, we know very little about this great civilization and its  people.

   Most interestingly, Boriska thinks that nowadays the time  has finally
   come for the "special ones" to be born on earth.  Planet's rebirth is
   approaching. New knowledge will be in great  demand, a different mentality
   of earthlings.

   How do you know  about these gifted kids and why this is happening? Are
   you aware  that they are called "indigo" kids?

   I know that they are being  born. However, I haven't met anyone in my
   town yet. Perhaps may be  this one girl named Yulia Petrova. She is the
   only one who believes  me. Others simply laugh at my stories. Something is
   going to happen  on earth; that is why these kids are of importance.
   They will be  able to help people. The Poles will shift. The first major
   catastrophe with one of the continents will happen in 2009. Next one  will
   take place in 2013; it will be even more  devastating.

   Aren't you scared that your life may also going to  end as a result of
   that catastrophe?

   No. I"m not afraid. I  have lived through one catastrophe on Mars
   already. There still live  people like us out there. But after the nuclear
   war, everything has  burnt down. Some of those people managed to survive.
   They built  shelters, new weaponry. There was also a shift of continents
   there,  although the continent was not as large. Martians breathe gas.
   In  case they arrived to our planet, they would have been all standing
   next to pipes and breathing in fumes.

   Do you prefer breathing  oxygen?

   Once you are in this body, you have to breathe oxygen.  However,
   Martians dislike this air, earth's air, because it causes  aging. Martians
   are
   all relatively young, about 30-35 years old. The  amount of such Martian
   children will increase  annually.

   Boris, why do our space stations crash before they  reach Mars?

   Mars transmits special signals aimed at destroying  them. Those stations
   contain harmful radiation.

   I was amazed  by his knowledge of this sort of radiation "Fabos." This
   is  absolutely true. Back in 1988 resident of Volzhsky Yuri Lushnichenko,
   a man with extrasensory powers attempted to warn Soviet leaders  about
   the inevitable crash of the first Soviet space stations "Fobos  1" and
   "Fobos-2." He also mentioned this sort of an "unfamiliar" and  harmful for
   the planet radiation. Obviously, no one believed him  then.

   What do you know about multiple dimensions? Do you know  that one must
   fly not on straight trajectories, but maneuvering  through the
   multi-dimensional space?

   Boriska immediately rose  to his feet and started to pour all the facts
   about UFO's. "We took  off and landed on Earth almost   momentarily!"
   The boy  takes a chalk and begins drawing an oval object on a blackboard.
   "It  consists of six layers," he says. 25%--outer layer, made of durable
   metal, 30%--second layer made of something similar to rubber, the  third
   layer comprises 30%--once again metal. The final 4% is  composed of a
   special magnetic layer. "If we are to charge this  magnetic layer with
   energy, those machines will be able to fly  anywhere in the Universe."

   Does Boriska have a special mission to  fulfill? Is he aware of it?- I
   pose these questions to his parents  and the boy himself.

   He says he can guess, says his mother. He  says he knows something about
   the future of Earth. He says  information will play the most significant
   role in the  future.

   Boris, how do you know all this? It is inside of me.  Boris, tell us why
   do people get sick? Sickness comes from people's  inability to live
   properly and be happy. You must wait for you  cosmic half. One should never
   get involve and mess up other peoples  destinies. People should not
   suffer because of their past mistakes,  but get in touch with what's been
   predestined for them and try to  reach those heights and move on to
   conquer their dreams. (These are  the exact words he was using). You have to
   be more sympathetic and  warmhearted. In case someone strikes you, hug
   your enemy, apologize  yourself and kneel before him. In case someone
   hates you, love him  with all your love and devotion and ask for
   forgiveness. These are  the rules of love and humbleness. Do you know why the
   Lemurians  died? I am also partially at blame. They did not wish to develop
   spiritually anymore. They went astray from the predestined path thus
   destructing the overall wholeness of the planet. The Magic's Path  leads to
   dead end. Love is a True Magic!

   How do you know all  this??? I know. Kailis. What did you say? I said
   "hello!" This is  the language of my planet.

   Gennady Belimov  "NGN"

   (Translated by: Anna Ossipova)

   __________________________________________________
   Do You  Yahoo!?
   Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection  around
   http://mail.yahoo.com

   ____________________________________
   Do you Yahoo!?
   Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. _Do  good._
   (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29911/*http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com/)







   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Yahoo! Groups Links

     a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/

     b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     prepare4contact-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

     c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

   a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/

   b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
   prepare4contact-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

   c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents a
serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____

PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
machine can do it too!


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



-----Original Message-----
From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
Not forgotten.
Enjoy!
Dex

http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

Regan,

This is a simple mathematical trick.
I will give you a clue.

Choose 99.
9 + 9 = 18
Subtract 99 -18 = 81
Look at the symbol next to 81, then click the crystal ball and presto, that
symbol appears.

Let's go down the line.
Choose 98.
9 + 8 = 17
Subtract 98 - 17 = 81.
81 again!  Look familiar.

Choose 75.
7 + 5 = 12
75 - 12 = 63.

Choose 25.
2 + 5 = 7
25 -7 =18

All final numbers are multiples of the number 9!

The lowest 2-digit number is 10.
10 -1 = 9.

Now look at all the symbols next to 9 and each multiple of 9.
Notice the symbol is identical.

Presto!  Mathemagic!

Bill
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Regan Power
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


           Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
   is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
   established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
   stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents a
   serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
   which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
   James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

           Regards,
             Regan
             _____

   PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
   machine can do it too!


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jahnets
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


   Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



   -----Original Message-----
   From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
   Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




   Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
   Not forgotten.
   Enjoy!
   Dex

   http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



   --
   No virus found in this outgoing message.
   Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
   Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004



------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Yahoo! Groups Links

     a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/

     b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

     c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

Click the link if you don't receive the images.

http://www.rense.com/general61/morpg.htm

Love and Light.

David


Bloomington Indiana
Morphing Object
Brian Vike, Director
HBCC UFO Research
1-2-5


Date: Early 2004
Time: Approx. 3:00 a.m.

Hello Brian,

I was reading your yahoo post and this article
http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2192
and the report caught my attention, I'm including a few images I caught on film
in early 2004, over our house in Bloomington Indiana. It was approx. 3:00 am,
the images you will see the two eye looking, one Morphed into the final picture
and shot off into the sky at a high rate of speed, if you want to use them or
fwd them to the person in the above article feel free, I would be interested if
this is what he seen. Have a great day.

Thank you to the witness for sending along the photos.

Photos are © 2005 Mark Evans, AAARC

Home - Phone 250 845 2189
email: hbccufo@...
Website: http://www.hbccufo.com
Redirect: http://www.canadianufo.com
HBCC UFO RESEARCH Newsletter At:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HBCC_UFO_Newsletter/











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

This is a 2 page article so if you can't proceed to the next page click the
provided link.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-03d-05.asp

Love and Light.

David


Many Governments knew but did nothing to evacuate coastal areas – global
conspiracy, UFO threats or concerted failure?
Sudhir Chadda, Special Correspondent
January 03, 2005



Now it is slowly coming out that almost all the Governments affected by the
Tsunami knew about the earthquake and possible Tsunami hours before their
countries were hit. by the killer tidal waves. The only local Government that
did not have a chance to react or evacuate was in Sumatra and Andaman Nicobar
islands.

Based on the analysis of the time sequence in which these Governments received
information and failed or decided not to act is alarming. In Sri Lanka, India,
Maldives and Thailand rumors in the main street are rampant that their
respective Governments were told not to act by someone or some entity.

Indian Military for example clearly got the information two hours before the
Tsunami hit the India’s mainland. An Indian Air Force base was wiped out in
Andaman Nicobar island near Sumatra close to the epicenter if the earthquake two
hours before the Tsunami hit the mainland India. When Indian Military tried to
inform the Government, the Government did nothing as if they did not hear.

Same story is being repeated in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives. How can all
the countries decide to let Tsunami come and not evacuate a single human being?

Some are concluding that the Governments knew of some experiments by some
country, agency or entities. They were clearly told not to react because it was
in a controlled environment. Or, they may have just asked to keep quiet.
PAGE 2>>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

This is one of the most interesting anomalies on Mars. Click the provided link
if you can't access the links in the article.

http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Area+51&actio\
n=page&type_id=&cat_id=69&obj_id=2251

Love and Light.

David

Glassy tubes on Mars
---------------------------------
Dateline: Monday, January 3, 2005
By: STUART MILLERBy: News CorrespondentSource: WWW/Mars anomaly research
		 800)  w = 750  if (h>600)  h = 550  popupWin = window.open(url, name,
'toolbar='+ t + ',location=' + l + ',scrollbars=' + s + ',menubars=' + m +
',resizable=' + r + ',width=' + w + ',height=' + h);  }  //done hiding --> The
number of reported sightings of intelligently built artefacts on Mars since the
Rovers have been up there must now number in the hundreds, if not more. Most are
the strained imaginations of folk desperate to see something. Occasionally, like
the plank of wood from a couple of week’s back, something odd does turn up which
isn’t immediately battered down by the sceptics.

This is another such example and deeply intriguing it is too. This first link is
a picture of what looks like an enormously long, very large tube on the surface
of Mars. When I say very large, I mean big enough to drive quite a few trucks
through. As the picture is big, and depending on your browser, it might take a
few minutes to fully download. I think you’ll find the wait worthwhile if that’s
the case.

This second link takes you to a site where the owner has examined these
phenomena in detail and offers his thoughts on what they might be.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

Lots of interesting info here. I've only pasted a few paragraphs.

http://www.soulinvitation.com/ark/

Love and Light.

David


A Christmas note... 12/25/04 from Implosion Group - newsletter with pics:
soulinvitation.com/ark , index: soulinvitation.com

COSMIC CRYSTOS - Galactic Wave Physics & Vise-like grip of compression
"Galaxies go on and off like the blinking lights of a Christmas tree"... Chryst
mass - notes...


The BURNING FOUNTAIN..


Hello Operator: have I properly dialed my ARK-ANGLE?


-Embedding in a Galaxy wave.. here is an example of reading approaching waves..:


from: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index633.htm "Western scientists do not
acknowledge the wisdom of the older peoples of the world but it is most
interesting that these scientists, and those who follow their new ways of
thinking, were not able to save the hundreds of thousands who have perished in
this past week's cataclysmic events in Asia. But a tribe of the older peoples
from this area named the Morgan Sea Gypsies were able to save themselves from
mass death with no device or thinking about Western science.

In a Western news report about this event titled, "Elders' Sea Knowledge Spares
Some Thais" it is said, "Knowledge of the ocean and its currents passed down
from generation to generation of a group of Thai fishermen known as the Morgan
sea gypsies saved an entire village from the Asian tsunami, a newspaper said
Saturday. By the time killer waves crashed over southern Thailand last Sunday
the entire 181 population of their fishing village had fled to a temple in the
mountains of South Surin Island, English language Thai daily The Nation
reported."

Many peoples of the world now stand wondering about the wisdom of Western
scientists and their teachings to their peoples that all is normal and fine with
the world, that only the foolish have cause for fear and only the lazy of mind
look to the myths and legends of the world's older peoples for guidance and
direction. The older peoples of the world stand across from the Western
scientists and warn of cataclysmic events to come and the signs in the heavens
and on the earth continually warning those who will listen."

Are you READY TO RIDE A LONG WAVE - if so you must read it - and feel it?


and - confirming the sense of a WAVE COMING FROM GALAXY CENTER?.. our friend
Randy - cofounder of Thailand's incredible save even the hopeless - wholistic
health center - ( kwan-jai.com ) writes after the TSUAMI:


"Hi ALL Everyone is ok here. We are on the other side of the area. This is the
start of what is known as The Ring Of Fire. A series of underwater volcanoes and
earthquakes that will
increase during the next 6 months. This is the time of the great change, forget
current "time" predictions as the time line has been modified by a galactic
tidal wave that hit us two months ago. The next six months will change much upon
the face of the earth. This is the time to go within and prepare for the
spiritual opening that is currently happening. Those who are centered and
balanced will come out of this ok. Those who are not will suffer many inner
turmoils as they as a soul have not made the choice to go thru the door so to
speak. Remember that there is no right or no wrong ONLY choice and whatever
choice is made s the "right one". This is happening on ALL levels of existence,
inner and outer space., Best Wishes for 2005 , Randy, Peter and family"


---------------------------------



"The Mayans tell us that in 2012 a 'serpent rope' is going to emerge from the
center of our Milky Way galaxy out of which will step a bearded god of
enlightenment. John Major Jenkins has proposed, and I agree, that the archaic
term 'serpent rope' is interchangeable with the modern scientific term
'wormhole' or 'stargate', i.e. a tunnel that links two regions of space." from
William Henry - more below..


We have long known that a series of galactic symmetry operations ("Erection of
the Holy Cross" = Seyfert Galactic Burst?) were the context and trigger for our
local solar maximum - the "Rapture" ( pressing RIGHT down on us now BEFORE
2012). Here thanks for many friends sleuthing we can get a LOT MORE SPECIFIC and
scientific about what we face.

I was really grateful to perhaps our best Solar science "Tutankhamon Prophecies"
by MAURICE COTTERELL - for noting the solar science behind the FEATHERED SNAKE..




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

http://www.rense.com/general61/mex.htm

Love and Light.

David


UFOs Over Mexico City Airport
From Scott Corrales
lornis1@...
INEXPLICATA - The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
1-3-5





MEXICO CITY -- On December 20, 2004, the staff at the Mexico City International
Airport witnessed a strange flying object shaped like a black-colored saucer
with what resembled "a golden spinning top" located on its upper section. It was
observed at an altitude of approximately 200 meters at 12:00 hrs.

On December 24, 2004, an aviation technician located unknown traffic flying from
east to west, passing very close to an airliner inbound from South America.
According to the witness, the UFO stopped and then ascended before vanishing
into the heights. This event occurred at 4:30 a.m.

Subsequently, Horacio Rodríguez shot video of a cylindrical object having a
metallic appearance to the east of Mexico City.

On December 27, 2004 and at 15:00 hours, a spherical white flying object was
seen suspended in the sky for several minutes near the Control Tower at Mexico
City International Airport..






All these reports were published in the "La Prensa" newspapre dated November 30,
2004 and written by Pablo Chávez in the General Information Section.

Alfonso Salazar believes that UFO phenomenon to be real, since the airport's
radar has detected them repeatedly and he himself has been an eyewitness to
unidentified flying objects.

Translation (c) 2005. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology (IHU).
Special thanks to Ana Luisa Cid.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't want to be negative about artifacts,because please believe me there is
intelligent life there now,but that pic only says sand dunes to me,especially in
the large image.The smoothness and gentle curve of the valley sand is glass-like
looking in the small image,which is always a giveaway that something's not right
when one doesn't square with another.My pics of live mars beings including
bipeds are posted at Mars folders Yahoo groups eceti-chat,space
people,Space_Expedition,ShowInQuotes,punktress Jerry Lehane III
j.lehane@...
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Light Eye
   To: Global_Rumblings@... ; SpeakIt@... ; SkyOpen@yahoogroups.com
; ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:53 PM
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Glassy Tubes On Mars


   Dear Friends,

   This is one of the most interesting anomalies on Mars. Click the provided link
if you can't access the links in the article.

  
http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Area+51&actio\
n=page&type_id=&cat_id=69&obj_id=2251

   Love and Light.

   David

   Glassy tubes on Mars
   ---------------------------------
   Dateline: Monday, January 3, 2005
   By: STUART MILLERBy: News CorrespondentSource: WWW/Mars anomaly research
               800)            w = 750            if (h>600)            h = 550
popupWin = window.open(url, name, 'toolbar='+ t + ',location=' + l +
',scrollbars=' + s + ',menubars=' + m + ',resizable=' + r + ',width=' + w +
',height=' + h);            }            //done hiding -->      The number of
reported sightings of intelligently built artefacts on Mars since the Rovers
have been up there must now number in the hundreds, if not more. Most are the
strained imaginations of folk desperate to see something. Occasionally, like the
plank of wood from a couple of week's back, something odd does turn up which
isn't immediately battered down by the sceptics.

   This is another such example and deeply intriguing it is too. This first link
is a picture of what looks like an enormously long, very large tube on the
surface of Mars. When I say very large, I mean big enough to drive quite a few
trucks through. As the picture is big, and depending on your browser, it might
take a few minutes to fully download. I think you'll find the wait worthwhile if
that's the case.

   This second link takes you to a site where the owner has examined these
phenomena in detail and offers his thoughts on what they might be.







   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Yahoo! Groups Links

     a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/

     b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

     c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Janet,

Yes, I was referring to an example that you used several times before about
spiders.  As for a "con" being ONLY a human trait or judgment, how do you
know this?  I could just as easily say that ET's are "caring and benevolent",
and by your logic, THAT could be called ONLY a "human trait" and judgment also.
By your logic, ALL behavior exhibited by ETs cannot be classified according to
ANY of our "judgments", either "positive", "negative", or "neutral".  And you
know what?  Esentially I agree with you.  All we have to go on in assessing
the behavior and motives of ETs is relating such to our own.  Therefore, when
I see behavior of ETs that strongly resembles a particular type of *human*
behavior, I am apt to clasify such behavior the way I see it.  That is, I will
tend to classify it in *human* terms, with the caveat that I may be wrong just
because they are ETs and may be operating under quite different motivations than
us.  In the quoted part of my post I DID say that they *COULD* be acting like a
"con", not that they *were* DEFINITIVELY acting that way.  I said that it was
*possible*.

Intuitively, though, I would have to say that the whole gamut of human emotions
from altruism and love to deception and abuse certainly *could* and probably do
exist at ALL "levels" of consciouness/reality.  Therefore, I see a "con" and
deception as being highly likely in *certain* circumstances.  My "gut instincts"
tell me so.  ;-)

BTW, why didn't you comment on the rest of my post in which I essentially agree
with you and expanded on some of your ideas?  It seems to me that you enjoy
arguing.  Excuse me if I am wrong about this perception of you, but I do NOT
enjoy arguments for their own sake.  I haven't paid for the five minute nor the
ten minute argument.  ;-)

Don



Jahnets wrote:
>
> "However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
> like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
> one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
> you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
> approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when something
> IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
> explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
> "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's "false"
> confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator."
>
> Don, I didn't say anything about spiders here so this must be from a long
> time ago??? However that last sentence is exactly what I feel is a human
> judgement. They aren't human and don't act like us... See what I mean. Just
> because humans are cons doesn't mean another race will act in a like manner.
> They aren't human. ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:54 AM
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
>
> Janet,
>
> I don't remember the squirrel in Taken, then I didn't see every episode all
> the way through.  As for that feeling of fear when they are approaching, I
> have several *possible* explanations for it.  Primarily, I still go back to
> the "truth" within our basic instincts.  Just because they are "primitive"
> doesn't mean that they are wrong or "outdated".  They are very often right.
> They always say that "first impressions" that one has of someone are most
> often correct; something just doesn't "feel right" about them.
>
> However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
> like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
> one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
> you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
> approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when something
> IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
> explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
> "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's "false"
> confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator.
>
> In the case of your relationship with your Grey, though, I DID say that I
> thought it quite plausible that there are a number of greys that want to
> regain more human based emotions which they had lost, as in Spielberg's
> "Taken".  Yours may be one of the more successful ones in this endeavor.
>
> I agree with you about the intensity of the original fear probably being
> *primarily* a result of the "force" released when the "dimensional door"
> is opened.  It is why all the dogs start barking and howling when there is
> a close encounter taking place.  I said that I sensed they actually are
> responsible for "creating and directing" time itself.  If this is so, since
> our ego consciousness is so fixated upon "time", it would be no wonder that
> an initial close psychological contact with them would make one feel like
> their very ego identity were being "torn apart", as many abductees describe.
> Afterall, the person is entering a realm wherein linear time starts to break
> up, so too then does the ego feel the same.  Again, I'm not sure that this
> is
> intentional on the entities' part; it may just be incidental as part of the
> contact experience as I described above.  However, I still feel that they
> (most of them, anyway) have lost the empathy to truly understand the effect
> that this has on people.  Again, I think that "Taken" paints a fairly good
> picture of their basic psychology.
>
> As for your "nanite" question in your other post, I have never heard of the
> "bite marks" that you describe.
>
> Don
>
> Jahnets wrote:
> >
> > One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were coming...
> > That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to get it
> > too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk to
> > them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to get
> > over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is
> when
> > they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm pretty
> > sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
> > natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you see
> > Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> >
> > I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of
> Greys.
> > When I read
> > of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
> > described similar
> > stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys.  It's true; I
> don't
> > know for sure
> > what kind of beings they were.  I've even entertained the possibility that
> > this could have
> > all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the government.
> I
> > have all the
> > "markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
> > multiple mental
> > disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that time; I
> > lived a quarter
> > mile from a Naval Air Station.  I admit, I don't know for sure what even
> > actually hppened,
> > or whether I was even abducted.  As for the rest of my
> stories/speculations,
> > I'm just going
> > on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports.  Again, I'm just
> > telling my *OWN*
> > feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be
> wrong.
> > However, *right
> > now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.
> >
> > Jahnets wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the beings
> but
> > > were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you know
> > what
> > > kind of beings they were???
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> > >
> > > Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently.  However, I have strong
> > > "instincts"
> > > that I trust very well.  I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of "menace"
> that
> > > was much
> > > different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of something
> > > unknown.  If
> > > they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding of
> > human
> > > psychology.
> > > This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have lost
> > > their contact
> > > with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy with
> > > other beings.
> > > As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly good
> > job
> > > of describing
> > > their psychology,..almost.  They may have had some lost feeble notion of
> > > what "teasing"
> > > is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding of
> the
> > > terror which
> > > they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of understanding.
> > >
> > > Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place in
> our
> > > overall
> > > "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their
> true
> > > nature.  It
> > > doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
> > "enlighten"
> > > me.  Nor
> > > does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of "role"
> > > that they are
> > > playing in our own development.  The Hindu Bagavaghita describes such
> > > entities perfectly
> > > as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power but
> > > "filled with
> > > darkness"(spiritual ignorance).  They are "desperate" entities trying to
> > > maintain their
> > > existence.  Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though our
> > > contact or
> > > experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our own
> > > reactive survival
> > > insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually serene
> > after
> > > living throgh
> > > some disaster or catastrophe.
> > >
> > > I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
> > "Force"
> > > in Star Wars.
> > > There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".  We
> may
> > > be the resultant
> > > "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan" for
> us,
> > > but many other
> > > "lesser gods" have interfered since.  And also, because of our own FREE
> > > WILL, we have LONG
> > > since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning
> back
> > > now.  We are our
> > > OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
> > encouraged
> > > us to realize.
> > > The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize* our
> own
> > > GODHOOD,..the
> > > sooner the better.
> > >
> > > Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical understanding
> > > because of your
> > > experiences.  You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and they
> > have
> > > told you much.
> > > I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
> > > understanding but I have
> > > NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any kind.
> My
> > > understanding
> > > comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > dexxxaa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would run around the house and hide
> > > > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
> > > > were "taunting" me.
> > > > *****************
> > > > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
> > > > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
> > > > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
> > > > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc in
> > > > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
> > > > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
> > > > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
> > > > Dex
> > > >
> > >
> >   --------------------
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > > >
> > > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> > >
> > > --
> > > What If --------------------------?
> > > DRxDON
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
>   --------------------
> > -------------------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > >
> > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> > --
> > What If --------------------------?
> > DRxDON
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >                                                       --------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> >
> >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
> --
> What If --------------------------?
> DRxDON
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>                                                      
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
>
>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


--
What If --------------------------?
DRxDON

Ah.  Thanks for this enlightenment, Bill.

         However, there is a complication for me.  You see, before I read
your explanation, I had tried to trick the Flash Mind Reader - countless
times - by not performing any number-manipulations and just picking on the
symbols at random to hold in my mind.  It worked almost every time and the
only times it did not work were occasions when I was aware of not focussing
my mind properly on the symbol!  Of course, now I have no way of knowing
which numbers my randomly-chosen symbols related to because the Mind Reader
keeps changing them, so it is a theoretical - but extremely unlikely -
possibility that I was randomly choosing symbols whose numbers were mostly
multiples of 9.  But I am aware, too, of a deeper possible explanation, to
which I shall come in a moment.

         As you might expect, the Mind Reader does not work for me so often
when I choose the symbols randomly now.  Because the symbols change every
time the "Crystal Ball" is clicked, I have to observe which symbol the
9-factor numbers are associated with before I make my choice, so as to
ensure that my symbol is different.  So when I visualise my chosen symbol, I
have to completely expunge all thoughts of the standard 9-factor symbol from
my mind and that is hard work to have to keep doing over and over again.  In
fact, in half a dozen trials, I have only got it to work twice for me again
since learning that it was a "mathematical trick", although I would expect
to improve that 33% hit-rate with practice.

         So, now for my "deeper explanation".  These events have all occurred
in my mind as a result of my own powers of self-determination.  Before I
learned that the Mind Reader was a mathematical trick, I did not have an
explanation for its effect and thought it was most probably utilising the
principle of synchronicity, which conventional science does not recognise.
(This can be done on computers by employing random number generators to
select symbols.)  However, I was not sure that synchronicity was the
principle used in this case and so the cause of the phenomenon was not fully
determined in my mind.  This allowed the "mathematical trick" explanation to
determine it for me and now it has taken priority in my mind.  Hence, the
Mind Reader does not work for me as it did before.  In order to get it to
work as before, I would somehow have to un-determine the mathematical-trick
explanation first.  Does anyone know how to un-collapse the mental
wave-function?

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____



----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


Regan,

This is a simple mathematical trick.
I will give you a clue.

Choose 99.
9 + 9 = 18
Subtract 99 -18 = 81
Look at the symbol next to 81, then click the crystal ball and presto, that
symbol appears.

Let's go down the line.
Choose 98.
9 + 8 = 17
Subtract 98 - 17 = 81.
81 again!  Look familiar.

Choose 75.
7 + 5 = 12
75 - 12 = 63.

Choose 25.
2 + 5 = 7
25 -7 =18

All final numbers are multiples of the number 9!

The lowest 2-digit number is 10.
10 -1 = 9.

Now look at all the symbols next to 9 and each multiple of 9.
Notice the symbol is identical.

Presto!  Mathemagic!

Bill
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Regan Power
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


           Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
   is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
   established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
   stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents
a
   serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
   which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
   James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

           Regards,
             Regan
             _____

   PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
   machine can do it too!


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jahnets
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


   Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



   -----Original Message-----
   From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
   Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




   Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
   Not forgotten.
   Enjoy!
   Dex

   http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



   --



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

Sorry to pop your bubble but by the fourth time I had it making mistakes
over and over again. Shall I tell you what I discovered... I'm not
completely sure of the code they wrote for this, but I do know it's in the
code...Or maybe I just learned how to block it by the fourth time...ha ha



-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Power [mailto:soulsearcher_22@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader



         Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents a
serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____

PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
machine can do it too!


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



-----Original Message-----
From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
Not forgotten.
Enjoy!
Dex

http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004




Yahoo! Groups Links

Don, I was just sharing info that I have with you. Not argueing... It just
so happens that I have noticed this as a problem holding us back from
contact. I realized this and have in the last few days also been talking to
other people about the same. When you wrote that last sentence I thought
there it is again... I'm not on your case. Geez... I am simply trying to
understand all the details of the different discussions and the way people
feel. Why do you think I can point this out Don? Not from logic, from
experience...I kept making the same mistake in a nicer mode but still the
same thing and a being that I talk to kept telling me he wasn't a human. I
finally got it and I'm just trying to share something so it doesn't hold you
or anyone else back... Sorry..;



-----Original Message-----
From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:49 PM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don



Janet,

Yes, I was referring to an example that you used several times before about
spiders.  As for a "con" being ONLY a human trait or judgment, how do you
know this?  I could just as easily say that ET's are "caring and
benevolent",
and by your logic, THAT could be called ONLY a "human trait" and judgment
also.
By your logic, ALL behavior exhibited by ETs cannot be classified according
to
ANY of our "judgments", either "positive", "negative", or "neutral".  And
you
know what?  Esentially I agree with you.  All we have to go on in assessing
the behavior and motives of ETs is relating such to our own.  Therefore,
when
I see behavior of ETs that strongly resembles a particular type of *human*
behavior, I am apt to clasify such behavior the way I see it.  That is, I
will
tend to classify it in *human* terms, with the caveat that I may be wrong
just
because they are ETs and may be operating under quite different motivations
than
us.  In the quoted part of my post I DID say that they *COULD* be acting
like a
"con", not that they *were* DEFINITIVELY acting that way.  I said that it
was
*possible*.

Intuitively, though, I would have to say that the whole gamut of human
emotions
from altruism and love to deception and abuse certainly *could* and probably
do
exist at ALL "levels" of consciouness/reality.  Therefore, I see a "con" and
deception as being highly likely in *certain* circumstances.  My "gut
instincts"
tell me so.  ;-)

BTW, why didn't you comment on the rest of my post in which I essentially
agree
with you and expanded on some of your ideas?  It seems to me that you enjoy
arguing.  Excuse me if I am wrong about this perception of you, but I do NOT
enjoy arguments for their own sake.  I haven't paid for the five minute nor
the
ten minute argument.  ;-)

Don



Jahnets wrote:
>
> "However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
> like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
> one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
> you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
> approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when
something
> IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
> explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
> "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's
"false"
> confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator."
>
> Don, I didn't say anything about spiders here so this must be from a long
> time ago??? However that last sentence is exactly what I feel is a human
> judgement. They aren't human and don't act like us... See what I mean.
Just
> because humans are cons doesn't mean another race will act in a like
manner.
> They aren't human. ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:54 AM
> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
>
> Janet,
>
> I don't remember the squirrel in Taken, then I didn't see every episode
all
> the way through.  As for that feeling of fear when they are approaching, I
> have several *possible* explanations for it.  Primarily, I still go back
to
> the "truth" within our basic instincts.  Just because they are "primitive"
> doesn't mean that they are wrong or "outdated".  They are very often
right.
> They always say that "first impressions" that one has of someone are most
> often correct; something just doesn't "feel right" about them.
>
> However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
> like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too.  Once
> one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
> you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
> approach the situation with much more reason.  Again, though, when
something
> IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones.  Your
> explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that a
> "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's
"false"
> confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator.
>
> In the case of your relationship with your Grey, though, I DID say that I
> thought it quite plausible that there are a number of greys that want to
> regain more human based emotions which they had lost, as in Spielberg's
> "Taken".  Yours may be one of the more successful ones in this endeavor.
>
> I agree with you about the intensity of the original fear probably being
> *primarily* a result of the "force" released when the "dimensional door"
> is opened.  It is why all the dogs start barking and howling when there is
> a close encounter taking place.  I said that I sensed they actually are
> responsible for "creating and directing" time itself.  If this is so,
since
> our ego consciousness is so fixated upon "time", it would be no wonder
that
> an initial close psychological contact with them would make one feel like
> their very ego identity were being "torn apart", as many abductees
describe.
> Afterall, the person is entering a realm wherein linear time starts to
break
> up, so too then does the ego feel the same.  Again, I'm not sure that this
> is
> intentional on the entities' part; it may just be incidental as part of
the
> contact experience as I described above.  However, I still feel that they
> (most of them, anyway) have lost the empathy to truly understand the
effect
> that this has on people.  Again, I think that "Taken" paints a fairly good
> picture of their basic psychology.
>
> As for your "nanite" question in your other post, I have never heard of
the
> "bite marks" that you describe.
>
> Don
>
> Jahnets wrote:
> >
> > One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were
coming...
> > That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to get
it
> > too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk
to
> > them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to get
> > over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is
> when
> > they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm pretty
> > sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
> > natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you see
> > Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> >
> > I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of
> Greys.
> > When I read
> > of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
> > described similar
> > stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys.  It's true; I
> don't
> > know for sure
> > what kind of beings they were.  I've even entertained the possibility
that
> > this could have
> > all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the
government.
> I
> > have all the
> > "markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
> > multiple mental
> > disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that time;
I
> > lived a quarter
> > mile from a Naval Air Station.  I admit, I don't know for sure what even
> > actually hppened,
> > or whether I was even abducted.  As for the rest of my
> stories/speculations,
> > I'm just going
> > on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports.  Again, I'm just
> > telling my *OWN*
> > feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be
> wrong.
> > However, *right
> > now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.
> >
> > Jahnets wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the beings
> but
> > > were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you
know
> > what
> > > kind of beings they were???
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
> > >
> > > Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently.  However, I have
strong
> > > "instincts"
> > > that I trust very well.  I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of "menace"
> that
> > > was much
> > > different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of
something
> > > unknown.  If
> > > they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding of
> > human
> > > psychology.
> > > This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have
lost
> > > their contact
> > > with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy
with
> > > other beings.
> > > As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly
good
> > job
> > > of describing
> > > their psychology,..almost.  They may have had some lost feeble notion
of
> > > what "teasing"
> > > is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding of
> the
> > > terror which
> > > they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of understanding.
> > >
> > > Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place in
> our
> > > overall
> > > "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their
> true
> > > nature.  It
> > > doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
> > "enlighten"
> > > me.  Nor
> > > does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of
"role"
> > > that they are
> > > playing in our own development.  The Hindu Bagavaghita describes such
> > > entities perfectly
> > > as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power
but
> > > "filled with
> > > darkness"(spiritual ignorance).  They are "desperate" entities trying
to
> > > maintain their
> > > existence.  Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though our
> > > contact or
> > > experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our
own
> > > reactive survival
> > > insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually serene
> > after
> > > living throgh
> > > some disaster or catastrophe.
> > >
> > > I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
> > "Force"
> > > in Star Wars.
> > > There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".  We
> may
> > > be the resultant
> > > "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan" for
> us,
> > > but many other
> > > "lesser gods" have interfered since.  And also, because of our own
FREE
> > > WILL, we have LONG
> > > since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning
> back
> > > now.  We are our
> > > OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
> > encouraged
> > > us to realize.
> > > The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize* our
> own
> > > GODHOOD,..the
> > > sooner the better.
> > >
> > > Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical
understanding
> > > because of your
> > > experiences.  You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and they
> > have
> > > told you much.
> > > I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
> > > understanding but I have
> > > NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any kind.
> My
> > > understanding
> > > comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > dexxxaa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would run around the house and hide
> > > > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
> > > > were "taunting" me.
> > > > *****************
> > > > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
> > > > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
> > > > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
> > > > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc in
> > > > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
> > > > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
> > > > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
> > > > Dex
> > > >
> > >
> >   --------------------
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > > >
> > > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> > >
> > > --
> > > What If --------------------------?
> > > DRxDON
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
>   --------------------
> > -------------------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> > >
> > >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> > --
> > What If --------------------------?
> > DRxDON
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
   --------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
> >
> >    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
> --
> What If --------------------------?
> DRxDON
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>                                                       --------------------
-------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/
>
>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>      ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


--
What If --------------------------?
DRxDON



Yahoo! Groups Links

<http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=Q5EGXVRB2KARMCRBAEKSF
EY?type=healthNews&storyID=7225349>


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Tiny particles of silica can act as DNA
carriers, providing a non-viral method of gene therapy, new research shows.
The idea of gene therapy is simple enough -- replace defective or absent
genes in cells with properly functioning genes. In practice, it's tricky to
get the new genes into the cells. Most methods use a modified virus to
'infect' the cell with its genetic payload, but this has drawbacks.
Dr. Paras N. Prasad and colleagues, from the State University of New York at
Buffalo, synthesized modified silica nanoparticles, about 1/10 of a
millionth of an inch in diameter, that were able to attach to sequences of
DNA.
When the nanoparticles were incubated with test cells in a lab dish, they
were readily absorbed into the cells, the researchers report in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences admitted to the cytoplasm.
Once in the cell, the nanoparticles protected the attached DNA from being
degraded by enzymes, and delivered the DNA to the cell's nucleus. There, the
gene was successfully incorporated into the cells own DNA, the team found.
Some of the nanoparticles were labeled with fluorescent dyes so that they
could be tracked in the cell under a microscope.
The use of modified nanoparticles combined with optical tracking "provides a
promising future direction for targeted therapy with enhanced efficacy," the
investigators state.
SOURCE: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, online December 27,
2004.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

Click the link to read the text.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page774.html

Love and Light.

David

Phoenix Christmas UFOThis photo was taken looking out of the 4th floor at the
radio station where I work (in Phoenix). No flash photography was used, and the
glass was heavily tinted. The sky in that area is heavily traveled by plane, so
at the time I didn't think much of the object. But, when my uncle (visiting from
Grand Rapids) and I looked at the photos later it revealed an object very
similar to the lights I witnessed over Phoenix in the 90s. I guess even aliens
come to Phoenix in the winter.

--Drew Verbis

hi-->






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

http://www.ufocasebook.com/chile10th.html

Love and Light.

David


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

Check out these images.

http://www.vfvs.com/angel_decoy.html

Love and Light.

David

Angel Decoy

Photos of an Air Force C-130 releasing flares to repel heat seeking missiles.
The pattern formed by these "decoys" are how they got their name... 'angel
decoy,'


It's truly awesome!

Because maneuvers are usually in remote areas and over water, the general public
does not get to see these exercises.









Pretty Neat huh?
postamble();






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friends,

Click the link if you can't access the links in the article.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index673.htm

Love and Light.

David




Sorcha Faal’s Books Available Now In English!





January 4, 2005

Western World Sleeps as Global Cataclysms Approach

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

In my December 22, 2004 report I had detailed how an ever increasing number of
continuing energy surges have begun hitting our planet, and to the disruption of
our world’s weather cycles.

Conjointly with the disruptions of the world’s weather systems has been the
unexplained lighting up of the winter night skies in the far Northern Arctic
regions, and as summarized in an article that said in part,   "The entire
horizon is raised like magic, like the hand of God is bringing it up.”

More ominous for the world’s human beings perhaps, is that what has been
generally relegated to the earth’s Southern Hemispheric regions is now occurring
in the Northern ones too.

The evidence for these increasing energy ‘blasts’ are increasingly being pointed
towards a number of events that have occurred in the universe in years past, and
to which we are now feeling their effects.

One of these events was the Supernova Blast (SN1987a) that occurred on Feb. 23,
1987, and as explained by Peter Garnavich of the University of Notre Dame, "The
real fireworks show is finally starting, and over the next 10 years things will
get spectacular.”  But, and as also contained in this information, the time line
for the earth’s visibility of this event lies between the years of 1995-2015. 
Current events are suggesting however that these events are going to be
occurring much sooner than 2010.

The fear evident in Western scientists regarding this event belongs to their
theories about Supernovas, and that state that they are one of the most
energetic explosive events known. “They occur at the end of a star's lifetime,
when its nuclear fuel is exhausted and it is no longer supported by the release
of nuclear energy. If the star is particularly massive, then its core will
collapse and in so doing will release a huge amount of energy.”

In a particularly strange event surrounding SN1987a, American scientists
‘reworked’ existing theories about supernovas to show not what is necessarily
true, but rather what they seemingly wanted to see. (Or more ominously to keep
this knowledge hidden from others.)  This ‘reworking’ though, still revealed the
nervousness about this event by the American scientists, and as evidenced in the
comment by Dr. Neil Gehrels of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center when he
stated, "The possibility for mass extinction is indeed real, yet the risk seems
much lower than we have thought."

This American reworking of these formulas to obtain the results they desired
left out the continued ozone layer depletion over the Southern Hemispheric Pole,
and which according to the currently ongoing 2004 British survey states, “The
ozone layer over much of the Southern Hemisphere south of 50° remains around 10%
below the long term normal.”

Where in past times ozone layer depletion was rightly ascribed to cosmic rays
(gamma rays), Western scientists have with their reworked mathematics created a
whole new methodology that blames these depletions on CFC’s
(chlorofluorocarbons), and which even first term Russian school child would
laugh about if this were not so serious an event.

Best stated about these events from a Western perspective though are these words
from an unknown person, “Now, don't get me wrong; I'm not in favor of ANY
strange laboratory-created substances polluting the air I have to breathe, and I
wholeheartedly endorse the current campaign to rid the atmosphere of
chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), the atoms being blamed for the so-called "holes" in
the ozone layer. But just stop for a minute and think: If CFCs caused the
so-called "holes," why are they ONLY over the Polar Regions? Are the polar
explorers and scientists using too much spray-on deodorant and fly-killer?

Of course not. If CFCs had much to do at all with the so-called "holes," then
the "holes" would be over New York, or Tokyo, or London, or at least somewhere
relative to these places where it could be shown that the air currents were
causing the CFCs to accumulate.  But they are not. The "holes" only occur in two
places, over the North and South Polar regions, exactly in accordance with
natural forces which create the bulk of ozone, and exactly in accordance with
the theories and predictions of the scientists who discovered them in the first
place.

Western science has a long history of contradicting itself, and this time is no
exception, and as stated in this research paper contributed to by a number of 
American educational institutions shows,  "Long-term effects of gamma ray bursts
would spread around the Earth and include ozone layer depletion, global cooling,
acid rain and radionuclide production."

So today as the world is awash in acid rain, the ozone layers at the Northern
and Southern Hemispheric Poles are expanding, the Western scientists put before
their ever growing uneducated citizens a scientific explanation that blames
these events on CFCs and fossil fuels, when they know the science behind these
assertions is totally false.

An independent American researcher, Ricardo L. Carezani, in his article titled,
“SN 1987 A and the Neutrino” says it best in describing Western scientists’
penchant for making facts fit their absurd assertions; “Putting together all 7
facts, the *overwhelming* neutrino evidence is replaced by an overwhelming
evidence of "the pharaoh's science" (i.e. nothing).  For those of you not
familiar with the pharaoh's science, you can perform it yourself with a table
and ruler: measure an arbitrary number of table parts, use an arbitrary
equation, and come up with PI. Anyone can do it! Really!!”

Coming literally on the heels of this Supernova event was the most
astronomically significant event of human history with the most powerful
explosion in the universe since the Big Bang that occurred in December, 1997. 
“Astronomers are mystified by the most powerful explosion ever witnessed, an
enormous burst of gamma ray energy 12 billion light years from Earth that in one
second released almost as much energy as all the stars of the universe.”; and as
stated in this article by the American news source CNN.

NASA Headquarters at the Goddard Space Flight Center further added about this
event: “A recently detected cosmic gamma ray burst released a hundred times more
energy than previously theorized, making it the most powerful explosion since
the creation of the universe in the Big Bang.”  For about one or two seconds,
this burst was as luminous as all the rest of the entire universe," said Caltech
professor George Djorgovski, one of the two principal investigators on the team
from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA.

Aside from the majority of Western peoples being ignorant of these events,
Western scientists, at least publicly, are still not acknowledging the
significance of them for all of the world’s peoples.  Even with hundreds of
thousands lying dead in Asia there can be no expectation that Western peoples
will either become knowledgeable about or heed these many universal warnings.

As incredible as it may seem to us Russians, Western people, (and especially the
Americans) these Social Darwinist thinking human beings, fail to even see the
connection between the last American space shuttle disaster, the present
lighting of the Arctic Regions of the Northern Hemisphere and continuing global
weather chaos!  They even have State ordered training of their children through
their educational systems that indoctrinate them into this way of being!  The
parents and grandparents of these children even willingly hand over their
children to these mass indoctrination centers, and with their knowing the
destructiveness of these institutions from the very examples our own Russian
history has shown them.

The Western media did report that, “Upper atmosphere may hold clues in Columbia
mystery” in an article that appeared in an American national publication, USA
Today.  This article states in part, “The space shuttle Columbia's troubles
began as it dropped like a meteor from orbit into a mysterious and poorly
understood atmospheric region that scientists have dubbed the "ignorosphere”. 
The Concorde, the supersonic jet, flies in the bottom of this region at more
than 11 miles above the Earth's surface.

Nothing but a rocket can fly at its upper limit of 53 miles. The "ignorosphere"
encompasses the mesosphere and upper stratosphere. Invisible clouds, strange
electrical flashes called red sprites and blue lightning bolts that strike
upward from the tops of clouds inhabit the thin air. This is the place where
falling stars are made. The "ignorosphere" earns its nickname from the fact that
you can't get there from here without a rocket. It is too high for weather
balloons and too low for satellites to dip down to gather information.

(And what Russian can ignore the childlike language used by one of the
Americans’ most read national newspapers in addressing its citizens in their use
of the make believe word  “Ignorosphere” instead of its proper name, ionosphere.
This is more sad than able to be laughed about because if any peoples of the
earth are knowing what is being done to the Americans it is us.)

The connection to these seemingly disconnected events is the rare earth
phenomena called Noctilucent Clouds.

What are Noctilucent Clouds?  “NLC were first discovered in the summer of 1884
after the eruption of Krakatoa which occurred in 1883. The volcanic eruption was
at first thought to have contributed to the formation of NLC due to the ejection
of huge quantities of dust into the upper atmosphere; however it has been proven
that the eruption was not responsible for their formation.”

The actual "discoverer" is debated, however recent work has shown that the first
conclusive observations were performed by T.W. Backhouse from Sunderland, U.K.
Gadsden and Schroder (1989) question why Noctilucent Clouds were not discovered
prior to 1885 and suggest that the eruption of Krakatoa was significant in that
it caused observers to take more of a careful note of the twilight skies. This
is a very difficult hypothesis to comprehend as it suggests that no observers
ever bothered to take note of the twilight sky. This is a highly unlikely
scenario as it is would seem very improbable that astronomers and meteorologists
who frequently observed would miss such a highly conspicuous phenomena.

Of such concern are these phenomenal Noctilucent Clouds that a number of Western
scientific studies are underway in the search for the answers as to why they are
increasing, and to the extent that light from them is being reflected back into
the normally darkened winter Northern Arctic skies.   “Increased sightings of
noctilucent clouds may be related to climate change.” states one of these
research studies underway by an organization named CAWSES (Climate and Weather
of the Sun-Earth System), and as stated in their report titled: A proposed new
SCOSTEP Program for 2004-2008.

Another study being conducted is by the HAIL Project (Holographic Array for
Ionospheric Lightning), associated with the American Stanford University, where
their approach is being directed towards, “Direct electrodynamic coupling
between lightning discharges and the mesosphere/lower ionosphere evidenced by
spectacular luminous optical emissions known as red sprites and elves, VLF
signatures of rapid conductivity changes and radar detection of transient
ionization patches above a thunderstorms.”

Specifically, these increasing cosmic ray bursts hitting our planet are causing,
among other things, an ever increasing amount of upper atmosphere lighting
occurrences that are also disturbing our earth’s magnetic field and causing such
bad things to happen as small planes falling out of the sky due to disruptions
in our magnetic field.

These are best known to aircraft pilots as gravity, or buoyancy waves. “Gravity,
or buoyancy waves, are pressure waves generated by disturbances within the
atmosphere, where the restoring forces (potential energy) for the wave motion is
provided by buoyancy and gravity, rather than compression/expansion as in higher
frequency acoustic waves.”

Coinciding with all of these events have been the Americans associating them
with their older people’s knowledge (to them myths and legends) and warnings of
not only these events, but the future events to come.

Such an example is the association of the 1987 Supernova (SN1987a) with a
deliberately planted falsehood of it being the ‘Blue Star’ much talked about in
the Hopi American Indian legend.  The problem is that the much reported on Hopi
‘Blue Star’, and its significance, is a lie.  This is able to be so because the
‘power’ involved with Social Darwinism is that it subverts in the human being
their ability to find truths within themselves and surrenders it to the mass
propaganda of the State.  Like the National Socialistic System (Nazi) of Germany
during the Great Patriotic War (World War II) the individuals not in step with
the masses are cast outside their social folds.

For this particular example we can see that the beginnings of these rumors that
the Hopi peoples had in their older people’s stories a Blue Star began not with
the Hopi peoples but with two Western people, Thomas E. Mails, in his book
titled “The Hopi Survival Kit” and Moira Timms with her book titled “Beyond
Prophecies and Predictions”.

"I am nobody. I am not a shaman, a medicine man, a guru, a channeler, or a
psychic. I am not an ex-intelligence officer from the CIA, the NSA, the secret
services or any other branch of any service. I am not the reincarnation of an
ancient being, an ancient deity or a heavenly visitor. I have nothing to offer
you in the way of credibility. I am a nobody... and I like it that way."

---Robert Morning Sky, introducing himself in an article called, "The Blue Star
Hoax" that appeared in LEADING EDGE #95. Among other things, Morning Sky, a
Hopi, claimed that the fabled "Blue Star" does not exist in Hopi legends,
teachings or mythology. It was a term that he invented in the early 1970's that
has since been pirated by researchers who falsely claimed to have spent time
with Hopi Elders learning the secrets of the Blue Star Kachina (a kachina that
Morning Sky says doesn't exist), and channelers, psychics and clairvoyants who
claim to have received Blue Star revelations from their spiritual sources.

As we know in Russia about the older people of the earth, it is also possible
that their trickster nature has been at play here when it comes to their
interactions with the Western peoples of the world.  Such exactly are the people
of the Kachina Cult, and who the Western people call the Hopi.  The Western
people’s ‘everything’ is separate, nothing is ‘connected’ world view contributes
to their beliefs that ‘their’ older peoples are disassociated with the other
older peoples of the world, and therefore gives them no understanding that all
of the earths older peoples are the same in thought and spirit about all things.

The mythical lies and State organized propaganda facing the Western people’s
however keep them locked away from the incredible mysteries surround these
events I’ve presented here before you today.

In my last letter to my American subscribers, and to which I’ve also shared with
all of you, titled “Now Visible Comet Heralds Warning of Doom to World”  I wrote
about the significance of this new ‘Green Comet’ and it’s historical meaning to
us living in these years of great tribulation and coming cataclysms, if only we
listen to the earths older peoples and the universe itself and learn their
songs.

In the ‘choices of the threes’ that human beings are always presented with, we
have been shown from these past weeks events that the earths older peoples still
know the songs and did not perish in this latest cataclysm: “Elders' Sea
Knowledge Spares Some Thais”.  We also have the examples of the earth’s animals
knowing these songs too: ‘Tsunami Adds to Belief in Animals' 'Sixth Sense'  And
we also have from another of the earth’s older peoples, that our dreams hold
these songs too, if we but listen to them: “His wife dreamed of floods, he built
on stilts, and they survived Tsunami”.

The ancient examples of the warnings of  ‘oneness’ show to us all also that
there is no insignificant event that for the greater warning of all human beings
will be made known to all, and these are three.

For many years now the Universe has been singing its song of warning to all
human beings.

From the Southern Hemispheric Regions, and where one looks into the great
Magellanic Cloud, the older peoples of Australia they call the Aborigines “Slept
and dreamt under the stars. They took the night stars for granted. They embraced
the darkness. It is woven into their culture through song, dance, ritual, art
and myth.”

The Greater Clouds of Magellan is a nebula located about 200,000 light years
away and can be viewed with the naked eye. It appears to be like a slightly
blurred cloud. In addition, the Tarantula Nebula, said to be the most beautiful
sight in the skies (it resembles a spider), runs over the Greater Clouds of
Magellan, so it is a constellation with plenty of sights.”  It is written here.

It also carries the name of The Swordfish, and which I had previously written to
you about.  In a book titled “Our Rock Who Art In Heaven, Hallowed Be Thy Name”,
written by Jacqueline Brook, it is written: “The comet [or literally,
"swordfish"] associated with Hermes shines bright green with an oval shape...”

On February 23, 1987 “…the brightest supernova in four centuries lit up the
southern sky…” and began singing a song to the earth’s human beings.

Are you listening?

If you are you’ll know that the lies being told by the scientists from the
nations of the West are those born out of fear.  Their fear comes from a knowing
that the materialistic world that they have spent thousands of years building,
and in defiance of the stewardship of this earth and its people’s safekeeping
they were entrusted with, is soon to be no more.

While the great and terrible armies of the world and the vast and mysterious
powers of the universe gather for battle, the peoples of the Western Nations
remain asleep and in ignorance of their soon to come deaths.  In this world
today the Western peoples are truly lost, soulless and faceless, not knowing any
of the events about to befall them.

From this slumber of theirs, we, and many others of our kind, have pledged
ourselves to save as many as can be saved, not from the death of their human
lives, but the death of their very souls.

© January 4, 2005, EU and US all rights reserved.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Which "bubble" would that be, Jahnets?  Are you referring to my
fantasy that the Flash Mind Reader actually reads minds?  But what else
could it "read"?

         Or, perhaps you are referring to my fantasy that it presents a
serious challenge to the materialist assumptions of the modern world?  Well,
it was still working genuinely for me when I made that suggestion, but
thanks to Bill's "mathematical trick" explanation, I can see better now how
materialists would be able to evade the confrontation with reality which
that computer mind-game offers.

         I find your experience with it interesting, though.  It seems to
confirm my belief that we each make our own perceived reality with our
intrinsic powers of mental self-determination.  As you say, you "had it
making mistakes over and over again" and thus you acknowledge that you
caused it to make them.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


Sorry to pop your bubble but by the fourth time I had it making mistakes
over and over again. Shall I tell you what I discovered... I'm not
completely sure of the code they wrote for this, but I do know it's in the
code...Or maybe I just learned how to block it by the fourth time...ha ha



-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Power [mailto:soulsearcher_22@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader



         Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents a
serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____

PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
machine can do it too!


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



-----Original Message-----
From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
Not forgotten.
Enjoy!
Dex

http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



--



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

Yeah I stopped putting the cursor on the numbers while calculating, and only
on the ball when I figured the total. Voila it was wrong... I think there is
more to it than math... I will have to think on your other fantasy...
Presenting a serious challenge to the materialist assumptions of the modern
world... I'll let you know what I come up with...;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Power [mailto:soulsearcher_22@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:53 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader



         Which "bubble" would that be, Jahnets?  Are you referring to my
fantasy that the Flash Mind Reader actually reads minds?  But what else
could it "read"?

         Or, perhaps you are referring to my fantasy that it presents a
serious challenge to the materialist assumptions of the modern world?  Well,
it was still working genuinely for me when I made that suggestion, but
thanks to Bill's "mathematical trick" explanation, I can see better now how
materialists would be able to evade the confrontation with reality which
that computer mind-game offers.

         I find your experience with it interesting, though.  It seems to
confirm my belief that we each make our own perceived reality with our
intrinsic powers of mental self-determination.  As you say, you "had it
making mistakes over and over again" and thus you acknowledge that you
caused it to make them.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


Sorry to pop your bubble but by the fourth time I had it making mistakes
over and over again. Shall I tell you what I discovered... I'm not
completely sure of the code they wrote for this, but I do know it's in the
code...Or maybe I just learned how to block it by the fourth time...ha ha



-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Power [mailto:soulsearcher_22@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader



         Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents a
serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

         Regards,
           Regan
           _____

PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
machine can do it too!


----- Original Message -----
From: Jahnets
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



-----Original Message-----
From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
Not forgotten.
Enjoy!
Dex

http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



--



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004




Yahoo! Groups Links

Regan,

Perhaps you have heard of the sheeps and goats effect on ESP testing.  Those
designated sheep
believed in their ESP ability and scored well on psi tests.  The goats did not
believe in ESP and
would score low on psi tests.  Perhaps by explaining to you how the Flash Mind
Reader was
a mathematical trick I turned you into a goat (at least with respect to this
game) and your
ESP went on the blink.

Bill
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Regan Power
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


           Ah.  Thanks for this enlightenment, Bill.

           However, there is a complication for me.  You see, before I read
   your explanation, I had tried to trick the Flash Mind Reader - countless
   times - by not performing any number-manipulations and just picking on the
   symbols at random to hold in my mind.  It worked almost every time and the
   only times it did not work were occasions when I was aware of not focussing
   my mind properly on the symbol!  Of course, now I have no way of knowing
   which numbers my randomly-chosen symbols related to because the Mind Reader
   keeps changing them, so it is a theoretical - but extremely unlikely -
   possibility that I was randomly choosing symbols whose numbers were mostly
   multiples of 9.  But I am aware, too, of a deeper possible explanation, to
   which I shall come in a moment.

           As you might expect, the Mind Reader does not work for me so often
   when I choose the symbols randomly now.  Because the symbols change every
   time the "Crystal Ball" is clicked, I have to observe which symbol the
   9-factor numbers are associated with before I make my choice, so as to
   ensure that my symbol is different.  So when I visualise my chosen symbol, I
   have to completely expunge all thoughts of the standard 9-factor symbol from
   my mind and that is hard work to have to keep doing over and over again.  In
   fact, in half a dozen trials, I have only got it to work twice for me again
   since learning that it was a "mathematical trick", although I would expect
   to improve that 33% hit-rate with practice.

           So, now for my "deeper explanation".  These events have all occurred
   in my mind as a result of my own powers of self-determination.  Before I
   learned that the Mind Reader was a mathematical trick, I did not have an
   explanation for its effect and thought it was most probably utilising the
   principle of synchronicity, which conventional science does not recognise.
   (This can be done on computers by employing random number generators to
   select symbols.)  However, I was not sure that synchronicity was the
   principle used in this case and so the cause of the phenomenon was not fully
   determined in my mind.  This allowed the "mathematical trick" explanation to
   determine it for me and now it has taken priority in my mind.  Hence, the
   Mind Reader does not work for me as it did before.  In order to get it to
   work as before, I would somehow have to un-determine the mathematical-trick
   explanation first.  Does anyone know how to un-collapse the mental
   wave-function?

           Regards,
             Regan
             _____



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bill Hamilton
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


   Regan,

   This is a simple mathematical trick.
   I will give you a clue.

   Choose 99.
   9 + 9 = 18
   Subtract 99 -18 = 81
   Look at the symbol next to 81, then click the crystal ball and presto, that
   symbol appears.

   Let's go down the line.
   Choose 98.
   9 + 8 = 17
   Subtract 98 - 17 = 81.
   81 again!  Look familiar.

   Choose 75.
   7 + 5 = 12
   75 - 12 = 63.

   Choose 25.
   2 + 5 = 7
   25 -7 =18

   All final numbers are multiples of the number 9!

   The lowest 2-digit number is 10.
   10 -1 = 9.

   Now look at all the symbols next to 9 and each multiple of 9.
   Notice the symbol is identical.

   Presto!  Mathemagic!

   Bill
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Regan Power
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
     Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


             Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind Reader"
     is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying the
     established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
     stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it presents
   a
     serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe upon
     which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how the
     James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

             Regards,
               Regan
               _____

     PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
     machine can do it too!


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Jahnets
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
     Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


     Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



     -----Original Message-----
     From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
     Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




     Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
     Not forgotten.
     Enjoy!
     Dex

     http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



     --



   --
   No virus found in this outgoing message.
   Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
   Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004



------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Yahoo! Groups Links

     a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ufodiscussion/

     b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     ufodiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

     c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cross posting
Dex

This is just a small sample of the works of over 70 writers. Nicky
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/cv/excerpts.html

LINKS
THE UNIVERSAL SEDUCTION HOME PAGE
Biography pages for book authors
Table Of Contents for vol 1 The Universal Seduction
Table Of Contents for vol 2 The Universal Seduction
Table Of Contents for vol 3 The Universal Seduction





----------------------------------------------------------------------
------
----

Excerpts from
THE UNIVERSAL SEDUCTION BOOK SERIES


----------------------------------------------------------------------
------
----



THE HISTORY OF THE ROSE GARDEN,
PUBLISHING IMPRINT OF THE UNIVERSAL SEDUCTION
Piercing the Veils of Deception series



Humanity's present condition is reminiscent of the story of the
twelve blind
Indians from India, each of whom touched a different part of an
elephant and
then tried to describe the elephant in terms of their own particular
limited
data and understanding. Predictably, many disagreements developed
from the
divergent beliefs concerning the true nature of the elephant. The
problem
was ultimately resolved when the blind Indians began communicating
with each
other and each began to see the whole picture.

Although some individuals, groups and organizations have assembled
more
puzzle pieces than others, it is apparent that no individual or
grouping of
individuals has yet to assemble all of the puzzle to "The Big
Picture," a
difficult task especially when one considers that every individual and
grouping of individuals is also part of the puzzle.

In June of the year 2000, a group of individuals who shared a common
concern
for humanity came together via the Internet seeking to discover what
is
actually transpiring not only on the earth, but also in the cosmos.
They
began to share their insights and research with each other,
culminating in
the publication of "The Universal Seduction: Piercing the Veils of
Deception," Volumes I, II and IIl.

The group, which later became known as "The Rose Garden Club" was,
from the
beginning, non-hierarchical and democratic in nature, loosely
organized and
coordinated. This was done so that the group--as a whole--could not be
manipulated or subverted to the desired ends of a few. There was also
a
communal willingness to communicate and cooperate with each other in
order
to gain a balanced perspective. Even though each and every member was
not
always in total agreement on all issues, an amenable camaraderie
prevailed
where everyone was agreeable to the concept of examining all relevant
points
of view. As such, there never was an "official"club position, nor is
there
today---other than a common concern and desire for freedom and human
dignity.

Here are some of the areas into which we have been looking:
~The potential enslavement through the manipulation of the economies
of
nations.
~The behind-the-scenes or secret attacks on Constitutional
governments.
~Ominous developments in space-age weaponry, technology and warfare,
including mind and weather control.
~UFO's--sightings, space contacts, abductions, underground bases and
cover-ups.
~Beneficial developments in technology, science, metaphysics, nature
and
religion either inadequately covered by mainstream media or not yet
in full
use.
~Important truths with little or no previous dissemination for mass
public
consumption.
~Any covert or overt activity which threatens Humanity.

Please feel free to sample the material on this site, data that is not
necessarily available from other sources, information with a concern
for
individual rights and liberties, freedom, and human dignity. With the
help
of the various viewpoints presented herein and in "The Universal
Seduction"
volumes, may we begin to awaken to the nature of reality, and then---
as best
we can---seek out and awaken others.



THE ROSE GARDEN CLUB GROUP CREDO:
To question, doubt, research and to avoid absolute conclusions on any
one
aspect of the whole; To attempt to see a total picture emerge from the
individual cohesiveness of the parts; To understand that the truth is
that
which is always to be questioned, always in need of more exploration
and
discovery; To dedicate ourselves to gathering more and more
information
about the totality and sharing with others around the world what we
discover.

Cross posting:

My question after reading all this is...Why all the soupe up
technology in this little world.
What do they ultimately and truthfully intend to do with it?
It's almost laughable to me if it weren't for the vulnerabilities of
the little working guy who has been funding these incredible toy
projects. What do they plan on doing with him?
I used to work communications (UHF/VHF)in underground missile sites
while serving the Army armed forces during the VietNam era.
I'll tell you I'm really perplexed about all these complex
applications of technology use potential that can subvert our worlds
integrity before the Universal Councils that monitor these activities
if used for wrongful purposes.
This makes me greatly wonder what really is being conducted here by
the native tech Terrain ins? IMO The 'Public' is a different animal
and needs to be protected from some of these guys.
Dex

Excerpt from the chapter:
PINE GAP: AUSTRALIA'S AREA 51

By Christi Verismo


There are at least ten top secret American facilities in Australia,
with the
so called 'Joint Defense Space Research facility' at Pine Gap, a
multi-billion dollar operation, being the most important. Originally
Pine
Gap was decreed to control and act as a downlink for geosynchronous
satellites gathering intelligence, stationed over the Pacific and
Asia by
the CIA, NSA and NRO. Construction was undertaken solely by American
contractors flying in, making it operational by 1970. Large
underground
facilities are rumored to extend twelve levels below the base. Long
tunnels
are laid out in a similar pattern to the spokes of a wheel and extend
several miles from the center. A secret nuclear reactor is installed
in a
deep shielded underground chamber. Reportedly, extending five miles
below
the base is a bore hole containing an ultra low frequency antenna
which is
apparently used for secret experiments supposedly related to Nicola
Tesla's
resonance theories, as well as low frequency communications
throughout the
world. Pine Gap's communication systems are the most sophisticated
available, utilizing satellites, microwave, low-frequency and their
own
dedicated cable to the US They are directly connected to Nurrunga,
North
West Cape, Geraldton, Australian Defense Signals Directorate in
Melbourne,
Canberra, Sydney, all CIA and NSA stations, ASIO, SIS and the
Australian
Defense Science and Technology Organization which deals with UFOs and
crash
retrievals. Pine Gap has eight white radomes placed near groups of
long low
buildings. Miles away a double security fence is patrolled by
Americans and
Australian Police. There is a five mile no fly zone. Pine Gap is now
being
expanded with a second above ground power station and additional
housing for
staff of around 1,200 in 1996. The reason : "Asian economic
espionage".

A major NSA defector revealed that US has been carrying out continuous
research into electromagnetic propulsion at Pine Gap since 1966,
which was
originally started in US after the war. Security aspects have included
hypnotic and post hypnotic keys planted in personnel prior into
acceptance
into the project. A man has claimed his father worked on UFOs at Pine
Gap.
He worked for the FAA in 1970 fixing the programming of mainframe
computers.
He was one of only two or three in the US who knew whatever program
they
were installing. During the late 70's he made several trips to
Australia.
When his father came to visit, he had a locked briefcase that was
chained to
him. They were then followed everywhere. His father said he was
working on a
flying saucer, involved with anti-gravity propulsion, melding the
computer
elements together for the guidance or stability part of it,
underground at
Pine Gap.

Pine Gap locals have seen 30 ft wide white disks being unloaded from
large
US cargo planes at the airports with the USAF emblem on them. Many
are seen
flying at night. Much furniture has been delivered. An enormous
amount of
food is apparently stocked in warehouses of what could be a multi-
leveled
underground city. DR Jean Francois Gille writes that shares put on the
market at the same time will cause a world stock market crash. Cash
will be
worthless and the risks of a global planned confrontation will be
high.
Underground bases will serve as a place of safety for politicians and
international financiers. Plastic cards will be necessary and the
setting up
of a world government ensuring 'peace'. Many will be taken to
concentration
camps. Our new 'Masters' have the alien's support that they have made
alliances with. William Cooper says all the CIA Directors and
Secretaries of
State were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations and also
the MJ
12, which includes Kissinger. They rule US. The secret government kill
America's children for the alien projects according to their
agreements with
alien nations to rule the world jointly. They can make US currency
worthless
at any time and bring everyone under control with their global credit
card.
In 1996 witnesses saw a triangular craft descend at an area west of
Pine Gap
and many UFOs have been seen coming and going regularly from
camouflaged
entrances at Pine Gap. Scientists and various aliens, (mostly
reptilians
claiming to have once originated from earth, with DNA of a 2 legged
earth
sauroid) that the US govt. has made alliances with work together
underground
there. Genetic research in the form of human/alien hybridization and
anti-gravity experimentation is done at Pine Gap and other
underground US
bases.

Stan Deyo also asks if Pine Gap could be a man-made city of multiple
levels,
used to shelter key US personnel in the event of some disaster. Among
some
of the major contractors and suppliers for Pine Gap have been Collins
Radio,
McMahon Construction, LTV aero-space company, a conglomerate of
electronics
and aircraft manufacturing subsidiaries and IBM Stan says it is
rumored that
there are super IBM computer systems on a floating platform, 'down
the well'
underneath the facility. IBM has mammoth computers which can
recognize both
voice and visual patterns. Their main memory sizes are said to be in
excess
of 2,000,000,000 bytes. The first 2 antennas for controlling and
communicating with satellites were constructed in 1966-67. In 1974
unauthorized photos and other information from inside the faculty are
reported to have been sold to Russia. In 1991 Pine Gap was
instrumental in
tracking Iraqi SCUD missiles, with satellite imagery tracking the
Iraqi
troops. Diane Harrison wrote there are now about 18 satellite control
antennas, making it one of the largest satellite control stations in
the
world for satellites parked in fixed orbits above the equator. The
most
recent satellites are 300 feet diameter. They intercept signals in
the VHF,
UHF and millimeter wave frequency bands. Within that frequency there
are 4
categories of signals. The first category monitors signals
transmitted in
the course of advanced weapons development, particularly ballistic
missiles.
The first satellites were designed for this and monitored Russian
missile
development programs and now monitors other countries. The newer
satellites
are now primarily for the Soviet Union. This intelligence is shared.
The
second category monitors signals from large radars, including ones
associated with anti-ballistic missile fields. air defense radars,
radars on
ships. Analysis of this tells lot about the capabilities of those
anti-missile and anti-aircraft systems in the various air defense
fields
around the globe.

Thirdly intercepting the communications of other satellite systems,
i.e.
communications which are going up from ground to communication
satellites
which are also based in fixed orbits. Listening satellites parked
close to
the communications satellites. Finally they monitor a wide range of
other
microwave emissions on the earth's surface including: long distance
phone
calls transmitted via terrestrial microwave circuits enabling them to
monitor military, political and government agencies or private
individuals.
Diane says that a satellite can be parked over the interior of a
country and
intercept the microwave emissions coming from it. The satellites are
under
the control of the CIA, who in turn answer to the NRO (National
Reconnaissance Office). There are 8 large radomes, that cover the
antenna
arrays which keeps sand etc. away and conceal the antenna's position
from
enemy spy satellites. There are a wide range of communication
devices: HF
radio, underground cable, telstra telephone and telex, 2 satellites
communication terminals to occupy the on average 1,200 staff. The
staff have
to wear color coded ID to match the color ribbons running along the
walls.
US Military Airlift Command carry thousands of tapes home for further
study
and send parts and supplies twice weekly. There are direct links from
Pine
Gap to the US bases in the Philippines, Guam, Krugerdorp South Africa
and
the Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole.

The computer room is one of the biggest in the world and the
operators use
headsets to communicate. Within the central operations building at
Pine Gap
people are keeping the satellite and its antenna focused on the
signals they
are intercepting. Then other staff process the enormous volume of
interpreted signals. Then the signals are analyzed for intelligence
data. Up
to 1980 Australians were not allowed access to the voice intercepts,
coming
into the signal analysis section. But now they have full access to
all areas
except the cryptographic room, officially anyway. Univac computers
encrypt
transmissions, including voices and these go to Redondo Beach in
California.
About 25 to 30 messages are sent from Pine Gap each day to US and
about half
go to the CIA headquarters in Langley Virginia. Though occasionally
data is
sent directly to the NRO Headquarters in the Pentagon, or to the NSA
headquarters at Fort Meade Maryland. Diane writes that there is a
group
called the Joint Reconnaissance Schedule committee, who meet each
morning to
decide who is going to be listened to for the next 24 hours to focus
the
antennas on the satellites. e.g. who is doing a missile test, or if a
political crisis occurs somewhere. A similar station to Pine Gap is
located
in South Africa with 1,200 staff and is also linked to another VLF
station
at the South Pole.

Dr Gille writes that Pine Gap has enormous computers connected to US,
Krugersdorp South Africa, Guam, Canberra, Antarctica US base
counterparts,
which collect information from these countries, about finance,
technology,
and everything about people. The Amundsen-Scott base at the South
Pole is
located on a sensitive magnetic spot of our planet, in that it holds
exactly
the same assets as Pine Gap, and that all the information about most
of the
average citizens of Western Europe is stored there in memory banks
tens of
meters under the icepack. Canberra computers were connected to all
banks,
every post office, all telephones, all police stations and customs
houses,
every arrival and departure desk for air or sea travelers and to the
other
data centers collecting data on private citizens in America and
Europe. All
financial, economic, political and military information about every
citizen
of the Western World is being stored. The president of the Rockefeller
Foundation arranged the construction of 20 luxury residences in
Canberra, to
accommodate the world government-to-be.

In Silent Partners: The UKUSA Agreement by Susan Bryce
(www.nexusmagazine.com) says there are about 48 years of SIGINT
(satellite
signal intelligence) shared by the UKUSA partners: US, Canada, UK,
Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and the NATO nations. (
Possibly
Germany, Norway, Turkey and China are in too.) As well as
communications
interception and satellite spying there is an interest in undersea
activities. (There are said to be over 1,400 alien bases here on this
planet
including undersea. ) The UKUSA pact has been gathering intelligence
on the
former Soviet empire for 40 years. Pine Gap, Nurrangar and Menwith
Hill
operate under this pact. Menwith Hill covers communications and phone
calls
between USA and Europe in UK. The NSA which runs this controls over
2,000
electronic intercept stations, with 130,000 personnel around the
world. The
primary purpose of the NSA was started to decipher alien
communications,
language and establish dialogue. In 1983 the NSA established a
worldwide
computer network linking 52 separate government computer systems used
throughout the world. All the information ends up at NSA's
Headquarters in
Maryland. So it can plug into each phone call and message in USA, UK
and
Australia using the US base, Pine Gap and the new installation at
Geraldton
in Western Australia.

Patrick Poole wrote an very complete analysis and here is a summary:
Echelon
based at Pine Gap is the technological spy system intercepting all
phone
calls, faxes, emails and telexes in the world mainly by satellite.
Plus
other satellites, microwaves signals, cellular and fibre-optic cable
communications traffic. Real time phone calls in USA could be
listened to at
an outpost of Echelon at Menwith Hill in UK. Commercial espionage can
be
beneficial to the companies that helped the NSA develop the systems
that
power the Echelon network. This can also be used to push American
manufacturers out of deals in favor of US defense and intelligence
contractors, who frequently finance both political parties. The
European
Parliament is asking if this violates the sovereignty and privacy of
citizens in other countries. Though UK does allow surveillance on its
own
citizens, Menwith Hill and Pine Gap cover US citizens. Echelon
stations are
all over the globe, from Geraldton W. Australia, Waihopai New Zealand,
Ascension Island in the Atlantic, the Indian ocean atoll of Diego
Garcia,
Guam and the Philippines in the Pacific, to South Africa, Misawa
Japan to
Leitrim Canada. Pine Gap, Menwith Hill, Bad Aibling Germany, Colorado
USA
and Antarctica are main centers. No communications signal escapes the
electronic net. The two primary downlink facilities for over 25
satellites
acting as giant scoops picking up info from all electronic
communications
are at Menwith Hill in North York Moors UK and Pine Gap. Menwith Hill
has
1,400 American NSA personnel and 350 UK Ministry of Defense staff on
site.

Menwith Hill goes back to 1951 and received one of the first
sophisticated
IBM computers in the early 1960's. The NSA took it over in 1966.
British
Telecom wires fibre-optic telephone trunklines capable of carrying
100,000
calls simultaneously through Menwith Hill. It has become a target for
peace
activists. Echelon decrypts, filters, examines and codifies messages
into
selective categories for further analysis by intelligence from the
various
UKUSA agencies. Menwith Hill SILKWORTH super-computer operates voice
recognition and optical character recognition and feeds them into data
recognition engines. Voice recognition programs convert talk into text
messages for further analysis and even individual voices can be
targeted, so
every call they make is transcribed. Each message is given a 4 digit
code as
to its source e.g. 5535 for Japanese diplomatic traffic. Keywords are
kept
up to date by Dictionary Managers. Messages are transmitted to each
agency's
headquarters via a global computer system that acts as the nervous
system.
Part 2 http://www.angelfire. com/oz/cv/cverismo2e2

The rest of the chapter PINE GAP: Australia's Area 51 continued in
Volume 2
of www.theuniversalseduction.com
LINKS

Dex & Shirley
Secret of the Saucers II
http://home.earthlink.net/~dexxxaa

I think you have put your finger on the nub of my problem, Bill!
But fear not, I do not hold you responsible for it.  How could I, when I
know that I am making my own perceived reality?

         Mind you, it's funny that you should suggest that I have become a
goat, of all creatures, as my astrological Moon-sign is Capricorn.  I hear
that one's Moon-sign represents personal characteristics acquired through
experiences in former incarnations.  Becoming a Goat again seems like a
backward step to me.  Hmmn, the issues arising out of my encounter with the
Flash Mind Reader may be more serious for me than I had first thought! ;-)

         Baaaah,
          Regan
          _____


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton
To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


Regan,

Perhaps you have heard of the sheeps and goats effect on ESP testing.  Those
designated sheep
believed in their ESP ability and scored well on psi tests.  The goats did
not believe in ESP and
would score low on psi tests.  Perhaps by explaining to you how the Flash
Mind Reader was
a mathematical trick I turned you into a goat (at least with respect to this
game) and your
ESP went on the blink.

Bill
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Regan Power
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


           Ah.  Thanks for this enlightenment, Bill.

           However, there is a complication for me.  You see, before I read
   your explanation, I had tried to trick the Flash Mind Reader - countless
   times - by not performing any number-manipulations and just picking on the
   symbols at random to hold in my mind.  It worked almost every time and the
   only times it did not work were occasions when I was aware of not
focussing
   my mind properly on the symbol!  Of course, now I have no way of knowing
   which numbers my randomly-chosen symbols related to because the Mind
Reader
   keeps changing them, so it is a theoretical - but extremely unlikely -
   possibility that I was randomly choosing symbols whose numbers were mostly
   multiples of 9.  But I am aware, too, of a deeper possible explanation, to
   which I shall come in a moment.

           As you might expect, the Mind Reader does not work for me so often
   when I choose the symbols randomly now.  Because the symbols change every
   time the "Crystal Ball" is clicked, I have to observe which symbol the
   9-factor numbers are associated with before I make my choice, so as to
   ensure that my symbol is different.  So when I visualise my chosen symbol,
I
   have to completely expunge all thoughts of the standard 9-factor symbol
from
   my mind and that is hard work to have to keep doing over and over again.
In
   fact, in half a dozen trials, I have only got it to work twice for me
again
   since learning that it was a "mathematical trick", although I would expect
   to improve that 33% hit-rate with practice.

           So, now for my "deeper explanation".  These events have all
occurred
   in my mind as a result of my own powers of self-determination.  Before I
   learned that the Mind Reader was a mathematical trick, I did not have an
   explanation for its effect and thought it was most probably utilising the
   principle of synchronicity, which conventional science does not recognise.
   (This can be done on computers by employing random number generators to
   select symbols.)  However, I was not sure that synchronicity was the
   principle used in this case and so the cause of the phenomenon was not
fully
   determined in my mind.  This allowed the "mathematical trick" explanation
to
   determine it for me and now it has taken priority in my mind.  Hence, the
   Mind Reader does not work for me as it did before.  In order to get it to
   work as before, I would somehow have to un-determine the
mathematical-trick
   explanation first.  Does anyone know how to un-collapse the mental
   wave-function?

           Regards,
             Regan
             _____



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bill Hamilton
   To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


   Regan,

   This is a simple mathematical trick.
   I will give you a clue.

   Choose 99.
   9 + 9 = 18
   Subtract 99 -18 = 81
   Look at the symbol next to 81, then click the crystal ball and presto,
that
   symbol appears.

   Let's go down the line.
   Choose 98.
   9 + 8 = 17
   Subtract 98 - 17 = 81.
   81 again!  Look familiar.

   Choose 75.
   7 + 5 = 12
   75 - 12 = 63.

   Choose 25.
   2 + 5 = 7
   25 -7 =18

   All final numbers are multiples of the number 9!

   The lowest 2-digit number is 10.
   10 -1 = 9.

   Now look at all the symbols next to 9 and each multiple of 9.
   Notice the symbol is identical.

   Presto!  Mathemagic!

   Bill
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Regan Power
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:28 AM
     Subject: [ufodiscussion] Flash Mind Reader


             Congratulations, Jahnets.  But Andy Naughton's "Flash Mind
Reader"
     is still something of a mystery, to my mind.  Apparently it is defying
the
     established laws of physics with impunity.  It is "cute", I agree, but
     stronger adjectives spring to my mind to describe it.  Surely, it
presents
   a
     serious challenge to the materialistic assumptions about the universe
upon
     which our modern world-civilization is founded.  I cannot imagine how
the
     James Randis of this world would honestly be able to "debunk" this one.

             Regards,
               Regan
               _____

     PS  Friends always told me they could read me like an open book.  Now a
     machine can do it too!


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Jahnets
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:46 AM
     Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION


     Cute but I stumped it and figured it out... but cute...



     -----Original Message-----
     From: dexxxaa [mailto:dexxxaa@...]
     Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:44 AM
     To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
     Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy New Year UFODISCUSSION




     Something Bill H. shared with us awhile back.
     Not forgotten.
     Enjoy!
     Dex

     http://www.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/psychic.swf



     --



--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005

Yes, Don, me - thinks you have got her number there.   She only
responds with either sarcasm or arguments.
I am glad my "delete" button works so well when I see "who
sent the posts."

Thanx for that  --

Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: "DRxDON" <drxdon@...>
To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don

> Janet,
>
> BTW, why didn't you comment on the rest of my post in which I essentially
> agree
> with you and expanded on some of your ideas?  It seems to me that you
> enjoy
> arguing.  Excuse me if I am wrong about this perception of you, but I do
> NOT
> enjoy arguments for their own sake.  I haven't paid for the five minute
> nor the
> ten minute argument.  ;-)
>
> Don
>
> > clip <<
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>