Hey, Fred -

Hope all is going well with you....

This is from 1995, right?  So it is 13 years old - and I wonder what
the percentage is today??

And I also wonder if this is one of the reasons that the price of oil
is so high/the value of the dollar so low.  How could a drain like
this be sustained without doing something comparable??

Peggi

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<etinvestigator1984@...> wrote:
>
> Give up?
>
> http://www.subversiveelement.com/DulceSchneider.html
>
> ..and this is "for the People" and "by the People"?
>
> Fred Dennis
>

I am a new subscriber to this list. I live in Williamsburg, Virginia.
For those of you unfamiliar with it, it is a fairly small
college/tourist/retirement town in the SE part of the state. I have a
masters degree in environmental sciences and worked in a state
regulatory agency for many years prior to moving down here. As a
younger man I spent six years in the US Navy as a hospital corpsman.
Two of those years were spent on board a fast frigate in the Pacific.
The others at Navy hospital located at a Naval Air Station in Florida.
At one time or another I think I have seen just about every aircraft
in the US arsenal, barring some of the higher flying spy planes. Which
brings me to the reason I subscribed to this list in the first place.

At approximately 12:15 pm, on May 19 of this year while bicycling on
the National Park road known as the Colonial Parkway I witnessed a
very large, dark gray object hovering above the James River. I have
biked this lovely stretch of road regularly for the past 7-8 years and
thought I'd seen everything one possibly could in the skies above the
river. But this object was very different. I first caught sight it
about a mile east of the famous Jamestown Island. It was directly in
front of me, perfectly framed by the gap in the trees made by the road
itself. In truth, I could not not see it. Upon first seeing it, I
asked myself, "what the hell is that?" It was quite large, dark slate
gray, shaped like a rounded square with three or four black horizontal
lines running around it. At first I thought it was either a very large
kite or an advertising balloon of some kind. But, this happened to be
a very windy day (winds gusting up to 30-35 mph out of the west) so
that seemed unlikely. As I rode towards it it remained perfectly
stationary in my line of sight. It was only then that I began to get a
clearer idea of its size. It was huge, on the order of a blimp or
dirigible. I cycled on and lost sight of it behind a stand of trees. I
reacquired it another mile or so down the road where the trees thinned
out. It was now well over the river to my right. I had a very clear
view of it from the side this time. It was shaped like a flattened
American football and moving leisurely into the wind. There was no
writing on its side nor any markings or any kind that I could see.
Thinking it might be a huge parasail I kept looking for a boat
underneath it or guide lines, but there was nothing beneath it but its
own shadow. I biked on another half mile or so and came to a meadow at
the 31 km road  marker. The object/craft had now crossed the river and
was hovering very near the Surry Nuclear Power Station, a distance of
some three miles from where I stood. I watched it like this for a good
15 minutes. I can't be certain just how close to the station it was,
but it appeared to be over the far beach and was making a very slow
circuit of the station perimeter, taking care to stand off from the
plant itself while remaining just below the treeline (the pines here
can get quite tall, some in excess of a 100 feet).  Because the power
station sits on the western edge of a peninsula I can't be absolutely
certain of the exact compass headings. I believe the object was moving
from north to south along the western perimeter of the station.

Needless to say, I was captivated by the sight of this unusual craft.
I couldn't take my eyes off of it. As it hovered/floated over the
water it rocked very slowly on its long axis. It was like a canoe on a
lake moving with a very gentle current. Even though I could see that
it was a very dull, dark gray color, its top or anterior surface
reflected the sunlight brilliantly. The flashes of light were so
bright that they made me squint -- and this with polarized cycling
glasses at a distance of three miles! Having the twin reactor
buildings in the background to use as a rough yardstick, I would
estimate that this craft was at least 200 feet long, and perhaps
longer still.

By this time I was faced with a dilemma: should I keep watching or go
home and get my camera? My house is about 2.5 miles from where I was
standing, so I decided to go for the camera. I raced home, grabbed the
camera, hopped in my car and drove back to the Parkway. This all took
me about 20 minutes. But, by the time I got back to the river, the
object was gone. I drove up and down the road for a while looking for
it, but it was nowhere to be seen. In retrospect, I wish I'd stayed.
It would have been interesting to see how it left the area.

I could say more about all of the phone calls I made that afternoon to
the power station security office, local military bases, airports,
police, newspapers, Goodyear air operations, etc. but suffice it to
say that I got very little useful information from any of them and in
some cases was actively discouraged from pursuing the matter any
further. That is an interesting story in its own right.

Oh, by the way, what do the other subscribers to this list think about
that Northwest Airlines airliner that had its nose punched in at
18,000 feet over Tampa? Any thoughts on what might have caused that?

Bob F.

Hi all.
The post by Bob F. inspired me to write this email.  I have seen ufos since I
was a young child.  Since then in the last 5 years I have seen more than in my
entire life.  They appear as lights in the sky that move in ways no conventional
aircraft can (they look like stars).  I am frustrated that I see these lights
but cannot make further inroads.
Peace to all.
Anthony 

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Hi, List -

Worth downloading this report!!

http://www.mufon.com/documents/MUFONStephenvilleRadarReport.pdf

Has a lot more data that the actual radar reports!

Peggi

UFO Summary

1.  Extraterrestrial craft have crashed on Earth.

2.  Government efforts at acquiring alien technology have been
successful.

3.  The Government has had in their possession live alien hostages
from time to time.

4.  The Government has conducted autopsies on alien cadavers.

5.  Intelligence, security, and publiic agencies are actively
involved in the cover-up of facts pertaining to aliens.  The CIA and
NSA are so deeply involved that exposure would cause the collapse of
their overt structure.

6.  People have been and are currently abducted, mutilated, murdered,
and kidnapped in connection with the UFO situation.

7.  There is a current active alien presence on this planet that
controls different elements of our society.

8.  Alien forces maintain bases on Earth and on the Moon.

9.  Our Government has had a working relationship with aliens for
some time with the express purpose of gaining technology in
gravitational propulsion, beam weaponry, and mind control.

10.   Cattle have been killed by aliens for the purpose of acquiring
biological materials.

11.  The U.S. space program is a cover operation that exists for
public relations purposes.

12.  Our civilization is just one of many that have existed in the
last billion years.

"Our Government"...the world leader in deception and corruption...

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm
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Though I've entertained the possibility that much of what was listed is valid
and have received information from military students I've taught from and in
different countries that tends to support much of this. (Also transcribed MUFON
investigator tapes for a while.), I have to laugh a bit looking at # 7.  These
aliens must be as crazy as we are, since they are not doing a very good job in
their "control" !  (I'm not trying to be sarcastic.  Sometimes I just have to
back off a bit and grin.)

-- Cliff Gieseke
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I think it's all coming to a head and will explode in the next 10-15 years. 
Just crazy stuff that's going to happen.  I still wish those lights I see in the
sky would make contact with me- they seem friendly and benevolent.  Or am I
being gullible?

Peace,

Anthony



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Though I've entertained the possibility that much of what was listed is valid
and have received information from military students I've taught from and in
different countries that tends to support much of this. (Also transcribed MUFON
investigator tapes for a while.), I have to laugh a bit looking at # 7.  These
aliens must be as crazy as we are, since they are not doing a very good job in
their "control" !  (I'm not trying to be sarcastic.  Sometimes I just have to
back off a bit and grin.)

-- Cliff Gieseke
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Here are a couple interesting sightings I've had.

I went to visit some old friends in Winnipeg, Manitoba, 2 summers ago where I
grew up. I had the UFO sighting in a place called Vivian, on the outskirts of
Winnipeg City. It is basically farmland for miles with very few people living in
the area. A famous UFO sighting happened nearby close to Falcon Lake, Manitoba.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case376.htm

The UFO was first spotted at a 1 O'clock position up in the sky almost directly
above us as we pulled out of my friend's driveway in his truck... My friend
Walter spotted it first... He said, "look up there, what's that?" I looked
quickly and said something to the effect "It's a jet with a trail of exhaust
coming out..." Then he kept insisting that it was something else. It appeared to
me as a high altitude jet trail. This only went on for a few seconds... So I
opened my window and looked at it closely, looking for the jet at the front of
the 'jet trail'.... I couldn't see one... Then it started to tilt only
slightly... producing tiny visible currents of air on the ends of the craft like
you see on the wings of jets wings when they turn sharply at high G's. The
object was white and was approximately the length of half of your thumb if you
were to hold it up against the sky.

As this happened I realized my buddy wasn't just joking around. I realized I
wasn't looking at a jet trail and jet, but a white glowing cigar shaped UFO
mimicking a jet and jet trail... It was definitely meant to appear as a jet's
trail...

So it kept slowly moving West towards the setting Sun. We noticed the sky was
red all around us on the horizon, and there was a harvest moon exactly opposite
the sun in the Eastern horizon, orange or red in color. The highway we then
drove onto as we drove on on eerily displayed the Moon at one end and the Sun at
the other... We observed the UFO as we followed it in a truck towards our
destination(to Chicken Delight, hehe). We then began to wonder... if it wasn't a
UFO, maybe it could be falling debris?? Like a satellite for example. Then
moments later it began to break into 2 separate pieces as though it broke
perfectly in half.., producing a sort of design in the sky as it broke in 2.
These two pieces moved away from each other. By this time we were following it
down the highway but it was further away but still very visible... We watched
these two objects slowly move across the sky changing altitude occasionally...
they now looked like glowing horizontal lines in the sky on the horizon floating
along... suddenly a small pinpoint of light came out from one of the craft and
moved horizontally away from the UFO to the left, making 3 separate objects
slowly hovering across the sky. At one point these objects came back together
and split apart again... which pretty much blew my mind because I didn't think
UFO's could do that... By the time they were far on the horizon it was easier to
judge the height of the objects in the sky. They were flying lower than
airplanes, and the estimated size of the main UFO is from 200-300 feet long. We
watched them until they flew past the horizon.

I felt that I had just witnessed part of some sort of ceremony afterwards. It
reminded me of Pagan ceremonies to do with Harvest Time and ceremonies of the
Sun. The timing seemed too perfect, with the placement of the Moon and setting
Sun, with a Red sky at Sunset. It was harvest time in that area, harvesting the
Sun Flower and anything else grown in the area. All the leaves of the trees
changed yellow the next day and it got cold... which seemed very strange, and
left the impression that the display the UFO's put on had something to do with
everything dying... even though it is just a natural occurence every year in
fall.

My friend who seen the UFO's commented and said it looked like a crescent moon
when it was in one piece. So I told him about the god called "sin". There is a
very old myth about him that says he flew in a UFO that appeared to mortals as a
crescent moon, but it was really a disk shaped object he was flying in.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgy.htm


We had been talking about God and the devil, and when we walked out the door of
his house afterwards to leave, the devil was there flying above watching and
listening.

One new thing I think I learnt is that the devil celebrates Harvest Time and the
changing of seasons for some reason.....


I was at this person's parents house when we were younger and had this sighting:

For this sighting written below, I was with the older Brother of the person
mentioned above when the sighting occurred. The younger Brother was inside the
house at the time of this sighting.

The Invisible UFO?

One night during the summer of 2001 I was at a friends place by the name of
Noah. There was a little bit of a party going on, just a few friends having a
couple of drinks, I don't drink by the way. That night I was telling all my
friends that were there.. that I could feel negative Chi energy, bad vibes,
etc... and I knew the "it" or more commonly known as the "grey" was watching and
listening. I knew this because my friends have been abducted before and I would
always tell them about "it" and how "it" works and deceives mankind. And how
they mimic God and pretend to be good when they are truly evil. I know this
angers the "grey" to the point of madness, because they don't want the truth to
come out, so they watch and listen closely to see what Zo's son has to say..
especially around abductees... I've met a few. The feeling of the presence of
evil was deep in my belly, (it was an odd feeling of subtle discomfort and
uneasiness) and I could feel 'them' watching, and could feel 'they' were angry
with me. I knew this 'energy' was not coming from anyone near by, but rather, a
devil near by. I had this feeling for several hours whilst at my friends house.
After hanging out for a while with my friends in the house, my buddy Noah and I
went outside for a cigarette at about 10:00pm just after dark. There were a few
clouds but mostly clear skies. That night I was watching the sky closely. being
very aware of the sky above me.. no sooner did I spot something on the edge of a
cloud.... I didn't think "it" was a UFO at first. it was more like a piece of
dust on my eye. It was similar to the fluorescent stars that children put on
their ceiling.. when you look straight at them, they are dim and barely visible.
but when one looks away they become brighter in ones peripheral vision.. only
this UFO looked more like two tiny shadows side by side. The weirdest thing was
that it was invisible when I looked straight at it!! I had to look slightly away
from it to see "it". Well, I watched ''it'' for a while... whilst ''it'' bobbed
and weaved and moved like a piece of dust on my eye. After observing all this I
realized that they were watching and listening. Just when I decided to tell Noah
(whom was on a cordless phone at the time), "it" shot out of the cloud at about
5 times the speed of an airplane, at this same moment I told Noah to look up and
there "it" was.. Noah saw ''it.'' ''it'' was pissed off because I noticed "it".
The ship looked like two lights side by side with a space in the middle. When
''it'' flew away I noticed ''it'' was tube shaped because the lights overlapped
slightly when ''it'' left. They really screwed up as far as I'm concerned....
big headed bulgy eyed bastards.

At the time I sensed the 'greys'/occupants of the craft, and had all those
thoughts of 'them' watching and listening, and being angry with me, they seemed
crazy, and I had a shadow of a doubt. Though I had trusted myself enough, to
wonder if what I was thinking.... was real. Only until the UFO shot out of the
cloud did I fully realize that I wasn't just having 'crazy thoughts.' This
experience proved many things to me. And I look at it as God and me standing up
to satan and causing 'it' to flee in fear. Anyone can do this.



Matthew Jason Chin


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Good posts.  Thanks for sharing the info.



--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, etinvestigator1984@... wrote:
>
> "Our Government"...the world leader in deception and corruption...
>
> http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm
> ____________________________________________________________
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>
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>

Thanks - we need the humor!  Not that I don't concur that the list is
probably mostly true....

Peggi

--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, <cliffgie@...> wrote:
>
> Though I've entertained the possibility that much of what was
listed is valid and have received information from military students
I've taught from and in different countries that tends to support
much of this. (Also transcribed MUFON investigator tapes for a
while.), I have to laugh a bit looking at # 7.  These aliens must be
as crazy as we are, since they are not doing a very good job in
their "control" !  (I'm not trying to be sarcastic.  Sometimes I just
have to back off a bit and grin.)
>
> -- Cliff Gieseke
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sandpiper987
>   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:50 PM
>   Subject: [UFOnet] Like It Or Not....
>
>
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controls different elements of our society.
>
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Behind the scenes on this is the fact that UFO Casebook tried to
report on the fact that the UFOs were headed in the direction of
Crawford Texas (radar verified) and the Secret Service shut it down
quick!!  They were afraid that it might cause "public panic, and
public distrust in our government."  Hmmmmm, really?  You mean like
the false flag operation of 9-11?

The MUFON info is out now, but he mainstream media has not reported on
it yet for the most part.

Our military harasses civilians on a daily basis and I personally know
two people that have been victims of this unchecked power.  I want to
make it clear that I am a very big supporter of our military, they
just don't fully know how they've been manipulated over the last
several decades, but this is fortunately changing very rapidly and
they are starting to come to our side.  It couldn't happen any sooner
as far as I'm concerned.


--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "bubbasmom555" <bubbasmom555@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, List -
>
> Worth downloading this report!!
>
> http://www.mufon.com/documents/MUFONStephenvilleRadarReport.pdf
>
> Has a lot more data that the actual radar reports!
>
> Peggi
>

Note that the report on the URL was only released early Friday
morning - like maybe 2 am.  The two authors and Angelia Joiner (the
original Stephenville reporter - who got fired for her good work)
appeared on Larry King Live Friday evening to discuss some aspects of
it.  The important part of the whole thing is that at least one
government agency (FAA) has publicly acknowledged radar contact of a
prolonged nature - and tied in with civilian sworn statements of
sightings - with "unknowns".  Never happened before!  It's
unfortunate that the Air Force and the Navy are standing around with
egg all over their faces, since they denied any knowledge of the
event (even originally denied putting planes in the air!).  I, too,
one hundred percent support the military - but these stupid
subterfuges need to stop once-and-for-all!  If necessary, the JCS
need to choose sides!

Peggi

--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "jadams9845" <jadams9845@...> wrote:
>
> Behind the scenes on this is the fact that UFO Casebook tried to
> report on the fact that the UFOs were headed in the direction of
> Crawford Texas (radar verified) and the Secret Service shut it down
> quick!!  They were afraid that it might cause "public panic, and
> public distrust in our government."  Hmmmmm, really?  You mean like
> the false flag operation of 9-11?
>
> The MUFON info is out now, but he mainstream media has not reported
on
> it yet for the most part.
>
> Our military harasses civilians on a daily basis and I personally
know
> two people that have been victims of this unchecked power.  I want
to
> make it clear that I am a very big supporter of our military, they
> just don't fully know how they've been manipulated over the last
> several decades, but this is fortunately changing very rapidly and
> they are starting to come to our side.  It couldn't happen any
sooner
> as far as I'm concerned.
>
>
> --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "bubbasmom555" <bubbasmom555@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, List -
> >
> > Worth downloading this report!!
> >
> > http://www.mufon.com/documents/MUFONStephenvilleRadarReport.pdf
> >
> > Has a lot more data that the actual radar reports!
> >
> > Peggi
> >
>

Philip Mantle has provided an article relating to a sighting report from a Mr.
Alan Turner MBE concerning a UFO observed on radar at RAF Sopley in the summer
of 1971.
His report is published in full at:

http://www.thewhyfiles.net/pilotsightings2.htm

Geoff Richardson
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UFO over Mexborough.


                A report by Philip Mantle



This is our personal witness statement from the start to finish of what my wife
and I observed on the evening of Friday 7th September 2007.



It was shortly before 230 hours, my wife and I had been out walking our dog and
we were heading on our way back home. When we got close to the end of our road
(road name deleted to protect witness identity) near the bus stop my wife
pointed out to be a very bright luminous piecing light in the sky to the south
of us giving the appearance that it was shooting sprays of light out from it.
There were no clouds that evening and no moon in the sky..............



See: http://www.thewhyfiles.net/britain5.html



Report includes photographs taken by the eye witnesses.



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Wilson (J2) of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The briefing has
happened back in April 1997. During the briefing Wilson has
allegedly received code names of the Special Access Projects
that are dealing with reverse engineering of the UFO technology.

After the reconstruction you can hear extended interview with dr.
Mitchell that was done at June 25th, 2007. You can download this
Podcast episode directly at:

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The final report for this interesting case is now available at:

http://www.guernsey.uk-ufo.org/

Congratulations to Jean-Francois Baure, David Clarke, Paul Fuller
and Martin Shough.

Joe

Hi Joe,
How can you describe this as the final report?
Who decides that? You?
If not who?
If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it then fair
enough but that should be stated.
Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research, then you
should declare it.
Geoff

PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to your
justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be offline, do I need
permission from someone to do that?




----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe McGonagle
   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:35 PM
   Subject: [UFOnet] Guernsey April 23 2007 report


   The final report for this interesting case is now available at:

   http://www.guernsey.uk-ufo.org/

   Congratulations to Jean-Francois Baure, David Clarke, Paul Fuller
   and Martin Shough.

   Joe





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Joe,
How can you describe this as the final report?
Who decides that? You?
If not who?
If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it then fair
enough but that should be stated.
Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research, then you
should declare it.
Geoff Richardson
www.thewhyfiles.net

PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to your
justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be offline, do I need
permission from someone to do that?



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe McGonagle
   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:35 PM
   Subject: [UFOnet] Guernsey April 23 2007 report


   The final report for this interesting case is now available at:

   http://www.guernsey.uk-ufo.org/

   Congratulations to Jean-Francois Baure, David Clarke, Paul Fuller
   and Martin Shough.

   Joe





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Joe,
How can you describe this as the final report?
Who decides that? You?
If not who?
If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it then fair
enough but that should be stated.
Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research, then you
should declare it.
Geoff Richardson
www.thewhyfiles.net

PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to your
justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be offline, do I need
permission from someone to do that?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe McGonagle
   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:35 PM
   Subject: [UFOnet] Guernsey April 23 2007 report


   The final report for this interesting case is now available at:

   http://www.guernsey.uk-ufo.org/

   Congratulations to Jean-Francois Baure, David Clarke, Paul Fuller
   and Martin Shough.

   Joe





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, <geoff@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joe,
> How can you describe this as the final report?

Because that is what it says on the web site: "The complete final report:"

> Who decides that? You?

Why should it be me?

> If not who?

The people who produced the final report - Jean-Francois Baure, David
Clarke, Paul Fuller & Martin Shough

> If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it
then fair enough but that should be stated.

They do state that at the link I provided.

> Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research,
then you should declare it.

If I was claiming it, I would declare it.

> Geoff Richardson
> www.thewhyfiles.net

> PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to
your justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be
offline, do I need permission from someone to do that?

Did you need permission to post your message 3 times?

I also expect an autoreponse from culturalpolicy@... I have
notified the list moderators about that since I suspect it is an email
address harevesting scam - who runs this list now? anyone?

----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe McGonagle
   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:54 PM
   Subject: [UFOnet] Re: Guernsey April 23 2007 report


   --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, <geoff@...> wrote:
   >
   >
   > Hi Joe,
   > How can you describe this as the final report?

   Because that is what it says on the web site: "The complete final report:"

   > Who decides that? You?

   Why should it be me?

   > If not who?

   The people who produced the final report - Jean-Francois Baure, David
   Clarke, Paul Fuller & Martin Shough

   > If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it
   then fair enough but that should be stated.

   They do state that at the link I provided.

   > Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research,
   then you should declare it.

   If I was claiming it, I would declare it.

   > Geoff Richardson
   > www.thewhyfiles.net

   > PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to
   your justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be
   offline, do I need permission from someone to do that?

   Did you need permission to post your message 3 times?

   I also expect an autoreponse from culturalpolicy@... I have
   notified the list moderators about that since I suspect it is an email
   address harevesting scam - who runs this list now? anyone?





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,
Well I have just got your message twice.
Did you need permission?
Still, this isn't your list Joe and you or indeed anyone else cannot claim the
rights to research of any UFO case.
As I mentioned, I will get back to this when I am back online.
Geoff
www.thewhyfiles.net









   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe McGonagle
   To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:54 PM
   Subject: [UFOnet] Re: Guernsey April 23 2007 report


   --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, <geoff@...> wrote:
   >
   >
   > Hi Joe,
   > How can you describe this as the final report?

   Because that is what it says on the web site: "The complete final report:"

   > Who decides that? You?

   Why should it be me?

   > If not who?

   The people who produced the final report - Jean-Francois Baure, David
   Clarke, Paul Fuller & Martin Shough

   > If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it
   then fair enough but that should be stated.

   They do state that at the link I provided.

   > Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research,
   then you should declare it.

   If I was claiming it, I would declare it.

   > Geoff Richardson
   > www.thewhyfiles.net

   > PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to
   your justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be
   offline, do I need permission from someone to do that?

   Did you need permission to post your message 3 times?

   I also expect an autoreponse from culturalpolicy@... I have
   notified the list moderators about that since I suspect it is an email
   address harevesting scam - who runs this list now? anyone?





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why does Joe need to clarify the message?  He felt it was important enough to
send, so why would you question it?

Stop asking and start investigating.

Jeff
Exo GA



----- Original Message ----
From: Joe McGonagle <joe@...>
To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:54:45 PM
Subject: [UFOnet] Re: Guernsey April 23 2007 report


--- In ufonet@yahoogroups. com, <geoff@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joe,
> How can you describe this as the final report?

Because that is what it says on the web site: "The complete final report:"

> Who decides that? You?

Why should it be me?

> If not who?

The people who produced the final report - Jean-Francois Baure, David
Clarke, Paul Fuller & Martin Shough

> If it is the final report by the people involved in producing it
then fair enough but that should be stated.

They do state that at the link I provided.

> Unless of course, you are claiming some legal right over research,
then you should declare it.

If I was claiming it, I would declare it.

> Geoff Richardson
> www.thewhyfiles. net

> PS - I will be offline for a while from tomorrow and look forward to
your justification on returning. That is if I am allowed to be
offline, do I need permission from someone to do that?

Did you need permission to post your message 3 times?

I also expect an autoreponse from culturalpolicy@ sparklist. com I have
notified the list moderators about that since I suspect it is an email
address harevesting scam - who runs this list now? anyone?






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From the news wire (search the news with a search engine).  This is a
big story, except in the U.S., where Dr. Mitchell's sanity is being
questioned:

Former NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr. Edgar Mitchell — a veteran
of the Apollo 14 mission — claims aliens exist.

He says extraterrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions —
but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments
for six decades.

Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview in Birmingham, England,
that sources in the federal government who had had contact with aliens
described the beings as "little people who look strange to us."

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional
image of a "small gray" — short, slight frame, large eyes and large head.

Mitchell also claimed human technology is "not nearly as
sophisticated" as the aliens' and "had they been hostile," he warned
"we would be been gone by now."

Mitchell said he was briefed several times over the years about the
aliens by government officials.

Mark your calendars for 08/08/08. A world-wide effort will be made to
meditate for an end to secret agreements concerning extraterrestrial
life.

Please see:

http://www.galacticfreedomday.com/

Thanks, Joan.  I am glad somebody posted this in the group.  I support it 100%



----- Original Message ----
From: Joan Homann <gus-homann@...>
To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 10:33:59 PM
Subject: [UFOnet] Meditation for Disclosure


Mark your calendars for 08/08/08. A world-wide effort will be made to
meditate for an end to secret agreements concerning extraterrestrial
life.

Please see:

http://www.galactic freedomday. com/






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Astronaut Says Government Covering Up UFOs
July 25, 2008
	 LAKE WORTH, Florida -- An astronaut who once walked on the moon is causing a
stir with claims the government is covering up the truth about aliens and UFOs.
"It's incredible to think that we might be the only intelligent, living system
in the universe. That's not credible anymore," Apollo 14 veteran Edgar Mitchell
told WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Friday. Mitchell's home in a suburb of
West Palm Beach is a small shrine to the nine hours and 17 minutes he spent
walking on the moon. Because of his experience, Mitchell's recent comments about
unidentified flying objects and aliens are getting a lot of attention.
	 Mitchell said that he believes the U.S. government has been covering-up the
truth for more than 50 years. "Military pilots, airline pilots, mostly, from all
over the world, for 50 years, have reported these things, but they've quit
because they're told to shut up and not talk about it by military and
intelligence people," Mitchell said.
	 The 77-year-old said the deception began after the alleged alien landing in
Roswell, N.M., in 1947. Ever since, Mitchell claims, the government has been
keeping proof of alien life -- and alien visits -- under wraps. "Unfortunately,
you the press show no interest whatsoever. The giggle factor has been too high.
But the science behind it and the research behind it, among the people I know,
is accepted. It's real," Mitchell told WPBF.
	 The issue gained steam earlier this week when Mitchell told a British radio
interviewer that he knows that the government knows about life in outer space.
"I've been saying the same damn words for 10 years, almost verbatim, and all of
a sudden, here I'm global news," he said.
	 Mitchell first made global news on Feb. 9, 1971, when his lunar mission earned
him a place in the record book for longest moonwalk -- an unbelievable feat that
he said could be topped by an alien encounter. "It would be pretty darn
exciting. I have been hoping for that type of experience since I got involved in
this," he said.
	 Mitchell said that he does not know why the government would be covering up the
existence of intelligent life. He said he thinks that John F. Kennedy was the
last U.S. president to be briefed on UFOs.

Apollo 14 Moonwalker Claims Alien Cover-Up
Saturday, July 26, 2008
	 At first, the radio host interviewing former NASA astronaut and Apollo 14
crewmember Dr. Edgar Mitchell thought he was being subjected to "some sort of
astronaut humor..." but Mitchell was dead serious in claiming extraterrestrials
have visited Earth for decades, and the truth will soon come to light. Mitchell
shares the record for the longest-ever moonwalk with Apollo 14 commander Alan
Shepard.
	 "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been
visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real," Mitchell said during a
recent interview in the United Kingdom. "It's been well covered up by all our
governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of
us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it."  "I've been in
military and intelligence circles, who know....yes -- we have been visited,"
Mitchell added. "Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit."
	 Mitchell describes the alleged alien visitors as "little people who look
strange to us"... but NASA says the former moonwalker's claims look strange to
them. "NASA does not track UFOs," said an agency spokesman.  "NASA is not
involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in
the universe." "Dr. Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his
opinions on this issue," the spokesman added.
	 Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison says Mitchell, "was absolutely serious
that aliens are definitely out there, and there's no debating it."
	 Regardless of the doubters, Mitchell seems absolutely sincere in his claims.
"This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure
and some serious organizations are moving in that direction," Mitchell said.

This one goes back aways, but I encountered it in a round-about way
while searching for information on S.N. Green of Gem Village,
Bayfield, Colorado. Green was the fellow who introduced George Hunt
Williamson to William Dudley Pelley. Fascinating to learn something
about this aspect of his career and I would be delighted to
correspond with Don Bennett if he is still around.

I can scan an article by G.H. Williamson from 1954 which gives some
background. Apparently, GHW was invited by Green to speak to a
Colorado radio audience in late August 1953.

For more info on Pelley, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pelleyclub

Vance

--- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bennett" <dpbennett@...> wrote:
>
>     Peter Johnson
>     Thank you for your e-mail
>     Back in the '60's, it was the late Stephen N. Green, Gem
Village, CO.  I visited him on my way from Apollo (Downey CA) to
SkyLab (Denver CO) in 1969.  A number of years later I bought about
40 pounds from a gentleman in the Mojave desert, north of Edwards AFB
and west of Boron.  Unfortunately, my stepchildren have "organized"
my stuff so well that most of it has disappeared.  I've got one piece
that weighs 580 grams.  It's much too large for one person.  I'll
have to break it up.  It's about 110 mm X 80 mm X 40 mm.  The piece I
used in 1963 (since broken, the pieces lost) was roughly a one inch
cube.  Send a self addressed stamped (oops! Won't work!  You're in
Australia!  Where is Auforn?  Is it near Woomera?) bubble pak to D.
P. Bennett, 516 Hagar Street, San Fernando, CA  91340-2326 and I'll
send you a piece with a Xerox copy of the instructions for tuning
it.  Alternatively, go to a Rock Shop and ask for Uluxite.  It's a
mineral compound of Boron, with needle crystals, commonly
called "television stone" because the needle crystals form a natural
fiber optic effect. (Another problem.  I seem to recall that Uluxite
is found only in the Mojave Desert, near Boron.  Oh, well.  Check
around.)  When you secure a crystal, e-mail me and I'll scan the
tuning instructions and e-mail them to you.  Fair enough?
>     Donald P. Bennett
>     Secretary of the Astrolitic Legation
> You can visit The Astrolitic Legation's website (under
construction) at
> www.georgevantassel.com/dbhome.html
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Peter Johnson <johno@...>
>   To: ufonet@egroups.com <ufonet@egroups.com>
>   Date: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: UFOnet: What causes belief changes?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   So tell us where do we get these crystals in question?
>   Peter Johnson
>   AUFORN S.A.
>