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Dear Colleagues,

As most of you probably know, one of the longest-standing and most
famous open problems of lattice theory, the Dilworth's problem, was
solved last year by Fred Wehrung. I was shocked to learn last month
that the paper in which he solves it was rejected by the Journal of
the AMS.

I contacted Fred to obtain some more information and he was kind
enough to forward me his rejection email, which I give below (with
Fred's permission and editor's name edited out):

Dear Prof. Wehrung --

I'm writing about the paper "A solution to Dilworth's congruence
lattice problem" that you submitted to JAMS.

All the referees agreed that your paper represented one of the most
important developments in lattice theory in many years. On the basis
of this, I brought to the paper to the full editorial board at our
recent annual meeting.

After some discussion, the board finally came to the conclusion that
the paper was not a good match for JAMS. The feeling was that the
problem that the paper solves did not have the sort of interaction
with other branches of mathematics that is typical of JAMS papers.
Therefore I must return the paper now so that you can make other
arrangements for its publication.

I'm sorry not to have better news to report, but as you may know JAMS
publishes only 1000 pages a year, so we get many excellent submissions
that we are unable to accept. I also apologize for the delay in the
decision -- besides the fact that the main referee report took a long
time to arrive, I also felt that it was important for the full
editorial board to discuss this case.

Sincerely,

Now, a few FACTS:

1. Fred's paper is only 14 pages long (concerning the '1000 pages')
2. It solves an universal algebraic question about lattices using
methods and ideas of set theory. It is quite possible the methods used
in the paper will be used later for problems in model theory, or more
generally logic, and perhaps other areas.
3. From the JAMS website, Journal overview link: "This journal is
devoted to research articles of the highest quality in all areas of
pure and applied mathematics."

This is a gross error by the JAMS editorial board. It is okay for a
journal such as JAMS to prefer some areas over others, but if one has
THE BEST paper in a whole area in many years submitted to a journal
which publishes "articles of the highest quality in ALL areas", then
it is reasonable to believe it will be published. Otherwise the
editorial board gives an opinion of a whole area.

I believe we as a community should react. Perhaps a joint letter to
the AMS Notices, signed by the major experts in lattice theory and
universal algebra and as many other researchers in the area(s) as
desire to join in.

What do you think?

By the way, Fred resubmitted the paper to another journal, and there
is no desire on his part to reverse the JAMS decision. This is about
my desire to prevent future events of this sort.

Petar Markovic
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Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:10 am

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Dear Colleagues, As most of you probably know, one of the longest-standing and most famous open problems of lattice theory, the Dilworth's problem, was solved...
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Feb 1, 2007
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Absolutely DISGUSTING! Bob...
Bob Meyer
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Feb 1, 2007
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This E-mail is inspired by what I read about the rejection by JAMS of the solution of a correct solution of a long outstanding problem of Dilworth. I find this...
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... This kind of reasoning can result, that JAMS will be trapped into the ALREADY existing and ALREADY widely popular areas of pure and applied mathematics. ...
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dear colleagues, i do agree with the openion of peter markovic. this has to be condemned by the universal algebra community. hope JAMS will not do such things...
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Feb 3, 2007
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Dear All, I am also outraged by the actions of JAMS. At the moment we are discussing this among ourselves, which is a good thing, of course. But in order to...
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Feb 3, 2007
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... Only as a first step. If it failed, then we have to proceed to a broader context in interpretation and to a wider community as the target of our message. ...
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We are academics, so we should start with a committee whose job will be to compose a letter condemning this kind of academic censorship in general and mention...
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Dear Colleagues, I completely support the idea of a committee. George Gratzer, Bob Quackenbush, Brian Davey and the other executives at AU should decide on its...
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Thanks to all for answering my question regarding the importance of this problem---I knew how old it was, but age alone isn't necessarily a determiner of...
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We should be grateful to Vaughan Pratt for formulating a letter. It is a good start, but I hope the final version will be more transparent and brief. Also, I...
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The daily digest not being sufficiently real-time I visited the group just now. One key point I took away from George's message 361 is that the combined word...
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In my opinion, Vaughan Pratt's new letter is brief and too the point. It would have been stronger if I had written it, and others might feel the opposite. It...
Melvin Henriksen
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Feb 5, 2007
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... Should!, otherwise the letter is too defensive. We have to show at least a small amount of self-confidence. Probably that sentence will have an echo. I do...
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Hi, Vaughan, with Mel and Yefim reading "over your shoulder", When I compare your new shorter version to the original longer one, I find myself comparing the...
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Excellent letter and comments. Some additional observations. I find the second paragraph of Vaughan's letter giving the background very interesting. ...
George Gratzer
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Dear all, First, I would like to thank you all for the amount of reaction to this CLP happening, and especially Petar Markovic for having started this...
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Feb 4, 2007
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While this is off the main direction of this discussion of publication policies, as students of Dilworth we wanted to clarify some of the history of this...
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... The job of the/a committee should also be to create better written standards for the management of journals. Journals should specifically spell out what ...
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Dear Colleagues, I would like to add my $0.02 to the discussion on the content of the letters. I like better the longer version of Professor Pratt, for the ...
Petar Markovic
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I think Fred Linton gave extremely good arguments for the longer version of the letter(s); and therefore as well as based on my life and Soviet experiences, I...
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Hi all, Sorry it took me so long to put the statistics by area on my webpage. You can see it now on http://www.im.ns.ac.yu/personal/markovicp/Areas.html The...
Petar Markovic
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Petar Markovic wrote: ... ... The above link seems not to work. I contacted Petar, who sent me the file as a .pdf, and told me that the IT folks at his school...
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