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From: David Thomson

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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:46 AM

Subject: [usa-tesla] April fools on Space.com

- Bush Cancels Space Shuttle Program

http://www..spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05o.html

 

Did anybody see this, yet?  It's funny.

 

Dave

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I don't think it was a joke..They are already dropping shuttle missions for Hubble maintenance, and Hubble is arguably one of the most impact and successful space projects ever. With that gone why not 86 the SSI that was suppose to be operational by 2002...  leave it tom the Chinese and Ruskies and anybody else, like brazil to continue and focus on Moon and Mars project...

----- Original Message -----

From: David Thomson

To: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:46 AM

Subject: [usa-tesla] April fools on Space.com

- Bush Cancels Space Shuttle Program

http://www..spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05o.html

 

Did anybody see this, yet?  It's funny.

 

Dave

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Hi Bob,

To begin with, if canceling the Space Shuttle were real it would
make national headlines.  Second, the Hubble is being replaced by
a more sophisticated space telescope.  There's only so much money
available for operating space telescopes.  The extra $2 billion
dollars to fix the Hubble is just plain excessive.

Everything is just fine.

Dave

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> I don't think it was a joke..They are already dropping
> shuttle missions for Hubble maintenance, and Hubble is
> arguably one of the most impact and successful space projects
> ever. With that gone why not 86 the SSI that was suppose to
> be operational by 2002...  leave it tom the Chinese and
> Ruskies and anybody else, like brazil to continue and focus
> on Moon and Mars project...
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
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>  To: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:46 AM
>  Subject: [usa-tesla] April fools on Space.com
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>
>  - Bush Cancels Space Shuttle Program
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>  http://www..spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05o.html
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Hi Fred,

So much for your argument that nuclear fuel can't be adequately
weighed.

Dave


> PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE
> The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News
> Number 725 April 1, 2005  by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein
>
> ZEPTOGRAM MASS DETECTION---WEIGHING MOLECULES.  Michael
> Roukes and his Caltech colleagues produce some of the finest
> nanoscopic electromechanical systems (NEMS) devices in the
> world.  His latest achievement is performing mass
> measurements with nearly zeptogram
> (zg) sensitivity, that is, with an uncertainty of only a few
times
> 10^-21 grams.  At this level you can start to weigh molecules
> one at a time.  In experiments, the presence of xenon
> accretions of only about 30 atoms (7 zg, or about 4
> kilodaltons, or the same as for a small protein) have been
> detected in real time.  Minuscule masses are measured through
> their effect on an oscillating doubly clamped silicon carbide
> beam, which serves as the frequency-determining element in a
> tuned circuit.  So, in practice, the beam would be set to
> vibrating at a rate of more than 100 MHz and then would be
> exposed to a faint puff of biomolecules. Each molecule would
> strike the beam, where its presence (and its mass) would show
> up as a changed resonant frequency.  After a short sampling
> time, the molecule would be removed and another brought in.
> Through this kind of miniaturization and automation, the NEMS
> approach to mass spectroscopy could change the way
> bioengineering approaches its task, especially in the search
> for cancer and its causes.  The Roukes (roukes@...,
> 626-395-2916) group reported its findings at last week's
> meeting of the American Physical Society
> (APS) in Los Angeles.
>
> LASER SCATTERING OF MITOCHONDRIA, the "power plants" of
> cells, can immediately identify early-stage liver cancer
> cells and potentially monitor stem cells as they undergo
> various stages of development.
> At the APS March Meeting, Paul Gourley of Sandia
> (plgourl@...) reported the latest uses of the
> "biocavity laser," an aluminum-gallium-arsenide based design
> that continuously pumps in single human cells into a chamber
> for analysis.  The laser's beams are altered in their passage
> through the cells. The 800-nanometer light in the experiments
> is not absorbed by most of the cell, except by its hundreds
> of mitochondria, which are responsible for scattering 90-95
> percent of the light.  By analyzing the scattering patterns,
> the researchers determined the distribution of mitochondria
> in the cell, and could instantly determine whether the cell
> was healthy (in which case the mitochondria cluster
> cooperatively around the cell nucleus) or cancerous (in which
> case they are apathetically sprawled across the cell).  The
> process is highly accurate, works much more quickly than
> traditional techniques, and does not require the usual
> pre-treatment of cells with chemical reagents or fluorescent
> molecules.  Co-author Bob Naviaux of UC-San Diego added the
> biocavity laser technique also has the potential to rapidly
> identify the in-between states of stem cells as they
> transform into their final identities.  (Also see Sandia News
> release at http://www.sandia.gov/news-center)
>
> NO SPLASH ON THE MOON.  Sidney Nagel's lab at the University
> of Chicago has explored the behavior of liquid drops---how
> and when they fall from a faucet---granular materials,
> crumpling, and other everyday-but-difficult-to-explain
> phenomena.  At the APS meeting, Nagel's graduate student, Lei
> Xu, revealed a surprising discovery concerning one of the
> commonest physical effects: the splash a liquid drop makes
> when it strikes a flat surface.  Under ordinary atmospheric
> conditions a liquid drop will flatten out on impact, splay
> sideways, and also raise a tiara-like crown of splash
> droplets.  Remove some of the ambient atmosphere, and
> surprisingly the splash becomes less.  At about one-fifth
> atmosphere the splash disappears altogether, leaving the
> outward going splat but no upwards splash (see movie at
> kauzmann.uchicago.edu ).  Apparently it is the presence of
> the air molecules that give the impacting liquid something to
> push off of; remove the surrounding atmosphere, and the splash
stops
>
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Can we weigh the m loss of Fred's brain as it is converted to E by
thinking?

   Tao


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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "David Thomson" <yahoogroups@...>
   To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:08 AM
   Subject: [usa-tesla] Fred - Nuclear fuel is not too small to weigh


   >
   > Hi Fred,
   >
   > So much for your argument that nuclear fuel can't be adequately
   > weighed.
   >
   > Dave
   >
   >
   >> PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE
   >> The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News
   >> Number 725 April 1, 2005  by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein
   >>
   >> ZEPTOGRAM MASS DETECTION---WEIGHING MOLECULES.  Michael
   >> Roukes and his Caltech colleagues produce some of the finest
   >> nanoscopic electromechanical systems (NEMS) devices in the
   >> world.  His latest achievement is performing mass
   >> measurements with nearly zeptogram
   >> (zg) sensitivity, that is, with an uncertainty of only a few
   > times
   >> 10^-21 grams.  At this level you can start to weigh molecules
   >> one at a time.  In experiments, the presence of xenon
   >> accretions of only about 30 atoms (7 zg, or about 4
   >> kilodaltons, or the same as for a small protein) have been
   >> detected in real time.  Minuscule masses are measured through
   >> their effect on an oscillating doubly clamped silicon carbide
   >> beam, which serves as the frequency-determining element in a
   >> tuned circuit.  So, in practice, the beam would be set to
   >> vibrating at a rate of more than 100 MHz and then would be
   >> exposed to a faint puff of biomolecules. Each molecule would
   >> strike the beam, where its presence (and its mass) would show
   >> up as a changed resonant frequency.  After a short sampling
   >> time, the molecule would be removed and another brought in.
   >> Through this kind of miniaturization and automation, the NEMS
   >> approach to mass spectroscopy could change the way
   >> bioengineering approaches its task, especially in the search
   >> for cancer and its causes.  The Roukes (roukes@...,
   >> 626-395-2916) group reported its findings at last week's
   >> meeting of the American Physical Society
   >> (APS) in Los Angeles.
   >>
   >> LASER SCATTERING OF MITOCHONDRIA, the "power plants" of
   >> cells, can immediately identify early-stage liver cancer
   >> cells and potentially monitor stem cells as they undergo
   >> various stages of development.
   >> At the APS March Meeting, Paul Gourley of Sandia
   >> (plgourl@...) reported the latest uses of the
   >> "biocavity laser," an aluminum-gallium-arsenide based design
   >> that continuously pumps in single human cells into a chamber
   >> for analysis.  The laser's beams are altered in their passage
   >> through the cells. The 800-nanometer light in the experiments
   >> is not absorbed by most of the cell, except by its hundreds
   >> of mitochondria, which are responsible for scattering 90-95
   >> percent of the light.  By analyzing the scattering patterns,
   >> the researchers determined the distribution of mitochondria
   >> in the cell, and could instantly determine whether the cell
   >> was healthy (in which case the mitochondria cluster
   >> cooperatively around the cell nucleus) or cancerous (in which
   >> case they are apathetically sprawled across the cell).  The
   >> process is highly accurate, works much more quickly than
   >> traditional techniques, and does not require the usual
   >> pre-treatment of cells with chemical reagents or fluorescent
   >> molecules.  Co-author Bob Naviaux of UC-San Diego added the
   >> biocavity laser technique also has the potential to rapidly
   >> identify the in-between states of stem cells as they
   >> transform into their final identities.  (Also see Sandia News
   >> release at http://www.sandia.gov/news-center)
   >>
   >> NO SPLASH ON THE MOON.  Sidney Nagel's lab at the University
   >> of Chicago has explored the behavior of liquid drops---how
   >> and when they fall from a faucet---granular materials,
   >> crumpling, and other everyday-but-difficult-to-explain
   >> phenomena.  At the APS meeting, Nagel's graduate student, Lei
   >> Xu, revealed a surprising discovery concerning one of the
   >> commonest physical effects: the splash a liquid drop makes
   >> when it strikes a flat surface.  Under ordinary atmospheric
   >> conditions a liquid drop will flatten out on impact, splay
   >> sideways, and also raise a tiara-like crown of splash
   >> droplets.  Remove some of the ambient atmosphere, and
   >> surprisingly the splash becomes less.  At about one-fifth
   >> atmosphere the splash disappears altogether, leaving the
   >> outward going splat but no upwards splash (see movie at
   >> kauzmann.uchicago.edu ).  Apparently it is the presence of
   >> the air molecules that give the impacting liquid something to
   >> push off of; remove the surrounding atmosphere, and the splash
   > stops
   >>
   >> ***********
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>   Can we weigh the m loss of Fred's brain as it is converted
> to E by thinking?

LOL!  The latest diet is the Special Relativity Diet.  Think and
lose weight, I like that.

Dave

Hi Bob,

Nobody is dumping the Hubble.  They are going to use it for every
last photograph they can get from it.  You can count on that.
They're just not going to spend $2 billion to fly up and extend
its life.  Only when the telescope gets dangerously close to
losing control will they send it to a controlled descent.  We
don't need a huge telescope falling at random toward earth.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: panamabob@...
> [mailto:panamabob@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:26 AM
> To: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] April fools on Space.com
>
> OK... if you say so....   but why dump the Hubble in the mean
> time? I bet if you turned it around and aimed at Earth you
> could get some GREAT cheesecake shots at the Scandinavian
> beaches.  :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Thomson [mailto:yahoogroups@...]
...
>
> So much for your argument that nuclear fuel can't be
> adequately weighed.

David. Pay closer attention to the reports you quote. This process works
for material coated on a vibrating beam, not many ton nuclear reactors,
or even their 100 KG fuel rods. And it still doesn't address the issues
of all the difficult to identify chemical processes and particle
emissions. It is much much simpler to measure the mass of the nuclear
fragments in a cloud chamber fission event (mainly because the
proportion of the mass that is emitted as energy is much higher without
dragging all that other stuff along), and that is the way the nuclear
physics was done way back when.

You might be able to measure the mass decay for an isotope
disintegration with this vibrating beam process. But you would need to
keep your radiation all inside the sample. Emit a few alpha particles
our of the sample and your whole experiment would be compromised. Oh,
and a good question if you could keep the evaporation rate down to
something tolerable. Perhaps if you kept the material very cold and over
coated everything with a tungsten layer or some such.

Hi Fred,

> > So much for your argument that nuclear fuel can't be
adequately
> > weighed.
>
> David. Pay closer attention to the reports you quote. This
> process works for material coated on a vibrating beam, not
> many ton nuclear reactors, or even their 100 KG fuel rods.

The point, Fred, is that we can measure down to the molecule.  It
is not out of reach of our technology to make accurate
measurements of mass.

> and that is the way the nuclear physics was done way back when.

Do you think they aren't interested in verifying E=mc^2 today?
We're still operating nuclear power plants, even today.

> You might be able to measure the mass decay for an isotope
> disintegration with this vibrating beam process. But you
> would need to keep your radiation all inside the sample. Emit
> a few alpha particles our of the sample and your whole
> experiment would be compromised.

A few alpha particles would not throw off the experiment.  The
alpha particles have nowhere to go in a reactor except another
control rod.  And even if a few did escape, the final result
would still be within the statistical range for error.

> Oh, and a good question if
> you could keep the evaporation rate down to something
> tolerable. Perhaps if you kept the material very cold and
> over coated everything with a tungsten layer or some such.

A properly functioning reactor does not leak.  There is nowhere
for anything to evaporate to.  The coolant system, the fuel rods,
and even the reactor walls are all closely monitored.

One would think that any operating reactor would provide the data
needed to verify E=mc^2, even to a fairly close value.  But if
you really wanted to know for sure, you could build a special
tiny reactor for just the purpose of measuring the materials
involved.  I would be surprised if such an experiment had not
already been performed with nuclear submarine reactors.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Thomson [mailto:yahoogroups@...]
...
> The point, Fred, is that we can measure down to the molecule.
>  It is not out of reach of our technology to make accurate
> measurements of mass.

Never said it was Dave. I said you would be hard pressed to get an
accurate enough measurement considering the factors arrayed against you.
For example, if you tried this vibrating mass measurement (this is
really pretty old tech. We have been using vibrating quartz crystal
oscillators to measure the thickness of vapor depositions of hundreds of
angstroms for at least the last 40 years or so) with a material that
evaporated slowly, you would have to establish very very accurately the
evaporation rate, and your mass loss or gain would have to be within the
accuracy of that limit to be useful.

> A few alpha particles would not throw off the experiment.
> The alpha particles have nowhere to go in a reactor except
> another control rod.  And even if a few did escape, the final
> result would still be within the statistical range for error.

Alphas are certainly going to stop close to the source, but if the
source is radioisotopes generated in the metal of the rod, these will
certainly have some chance of stopping in the heat transfer fluid. When
they stop, mostly in the rod, they become He and can diffuse out of the
hot rod over time. Since these particles are relatively massive, they
would have a disproportionate effect on the overall mass of the rod.
That would tend to be mostly, I think, to make it appear that the rod
had lost more mass than E=M would suggest. Unless the transfer fluid is
strongly spiked with an alpha emitter? I am not expert enough to off
hand suggest that this is an ignorable factor. Your feelings on this
tend to match your conclusion too much. I think you need some serious
calculation to back up your assessment.

>
> > Oh, and a good question if
> > you could keep the evaporation rate down to something
> > tolerable. Perhaps if you kept the material very cold and
> > over coated everything with a tungsten layer or some such.
>
> A properly functioning reactor does not leak.  There is
> nowhere for anything to evaporate to.  The coolant system,
> the fuel rods, and even the reactor walls are all closely monitored.

I was assuming that you use the vibrating beam mass measurement system
you were describing, and that requires you to use a small mass, a few
milligrams perhaps, of some kind of radioisotope. Not a reactor, or even
in a reactor. No radiation permitted in, no radiation permitted out,
except electromagnetic. Evaporation limited to be accurately established
to a precision less than the rate of loss of mass energy (so you can see
the mass energy). I think this restriction is very hard to meet, even
for a very hot beta or alpha emitter. Oh, and it does require that we
find a decay that does not produce neutrinos.

Of course it depends on the QUANTITY of Fred's thinking. But then there is
the issue of the QUALITY of Fred's brain and and how that relates to the
"famous equation".

   This creates a psycho-physical enigma. Should Fred's brain on a Special
Relativity Diet lose mass according to the "famous equation" only due to
quantity loss as "the famous equation" says? How does one ACCOUNT FOR the
prospect that Fred might figure out how to move mountains while us more
humble souls are still working on mole hills and expending the same E on the
physics of molehills?

   The Weber-Fechner Law of Psychophysics is still law in psych and still
psych's only law. But we now need to upgrade it with the Special Relativity
Diet, tested out empirically by weighing Fred's brain before and after some
serious thinking which we know will begin any day.

   Tao


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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "David Thomson" <yahoogroups@...>
   To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:39 AM
   Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Fred - Fred's brain is not too small to weigh


   >
   >>   Can we weigh the m loss of Fred's brain as it is converted
   >> to E by thinking?
   >
   > LOL!  The latest diet is the Special Relativity Diet.  Think and
   > lose weight, I like that.
   >
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"I have witnessed this phenomenon on a few occasions.  Just needed to
hold the tube up in the air.  Depends on the voltage the line is
actually carrying at the time.  Many large powerlines are normally
running at a small percentage of capacity.  So only the ones that are
near top capacity will normally induce this."

	 Actually the transmission line voltage is relatively independent of
load.  Since all users are fed with transformers which have a fixed
ratio, any variation of line voltage (at the transfomer) will show up as
the same fractional variation in the users' voltage.

Ed

"They have some interesting time travel plans & devices for sale
there http://www.futurehorizons.net/time2.htm a Hyperdimensional
Resonator
for $590 ! , interesting frequency choice for the headband 7.8Htz....
they are charging $20 for a $5 book I got from Lindsay."

	 Maybe they used one of their own devices to take off with your money
and travel into the past when it was worth more!

Ed

>   Of course it depends on the QUANTITY of Fred's thinking.
> But then there is the issue of the QUALITY of Fred's brain
> and and how that relates to the "famous equation".

I think it's funny to talk about a Special Relativity Diet, but
let's not make it too personal.  Fred is a quality contributor to
this list and we should be careful not to be disrespectful.

Dave

"Greetings JB,
  Liindsay's has always been very reliable and consistent in their
service. I would get more of their stuff if I had the space to become a
machinist. But like you say, their selection of interesting stuff is
running thin.
The plans were listed # FRGE. Free Energy Experiments. I've attached the
ad as a word doc.
Respectfully,
LJC3"

	 Lindsay only continues publishing stuff that will sell and I don't
blame him.

Ed

"Hi Bob,

To begin with, if canceling the Space Shuttle were real it would
make national headlines.  Second, the Hubble is being replaced by
a more sophisticated space telescope.  There's only so much money
available for operating space telescopes.  The extra $2 billion
dollars to fix the Hubble is just plain excessive.

Everything is just fine.

Dave"

	 The new telescope won't be around for at least 10 years, IF the money
is forthcoming and continues to be appropriated until it is finished.
Hubble is up there and working, with lots of good work left to do.  All
is by no means well.

Ed

"Hi Fred,

So much for your argument that nuclear fuel can't be adequately
weighed.

Dave "

	 Nope, this stuff is irrelevant in that connection.  Fred's point is
that any loss in mass due to fission is very tiny compared to changes
due to mechanical effects (corrosion, for example) on the weight of the
assembled fuel rod.  Also, those tiny devices have a limited dynamic
range (ratio of maximum weighable weight to minimum) and probably
couldn't be used to weight a postage stamp.

Ed

"  Can we weigh the m loss of Fred's brain as it is converted to E by
thinking?

   Tao"

	 Well, some of the things I read here "blow MY mind"!

Ed

"Hi Bob,

Nobody is dumping the Hubble.  They are going to use it for every
last photograph they can get from it.  You can count on that.
They're just not going to spend $2 billion to fly up and extend
its life.  Only when the telescope gets dangerously close to
losing control will they send it to a controlled descent.  We
don't need a huge telescope falling at random toward earth.

Dave "

	 Can't agree.  "A bird in the hand........".  There is absolutely no
reason to believe new space telescopes will survive the several changes
in administration before they are ever built, and politicians are very
fickle!

Ed

At 04:33 AM 4/2/05, you wrote:
>Greetings JB,
>   Liindsay's has always been very reliable and consistent in their
> service. I would get more of their stuff if I had the space to become a
> machinist. But like you say, their selection of interesting stuff is
> running thin.
>The plans were listed # FRGE. Free Energy Experiments. I've attached the
>ad as a word doc.
>Respectfully,
>LJC3

Thru  Interscam companies I (& others I suspect) have been offered for sale
_many_ unusual items to buy via email or off a website.

   Some of those items included plans , instructions & programmes for "only"
$29.95. All of them promised an easy way to "stop the internet" , convert a
1911 handgun into a full auto machine pistol & of course the "how to
   take over the world" kit for beginners (always a popular item)

Out of the 3  items above , only one item is  _close_ to  being legit.
   Turning a 1911 pistol into full auto , can be done via 2 different patented
methods that I know of ,  the same "instructions" that you pay for can be
obtained for free & undoctored at the USPTO , if you know how to
navigate the site properly. PN 2,056,975 is one method.
The office is closed atm  http://www.uspto.gov/patft/ please try later....

You will also find many "free energy" , "anti gravity" etc patents at the
USPTO
It is a goldmine of free plans that you would usually pay for thru these
people.

Sites like "Information Unlimited" aka http://www.amazing1.com/ ,
& "Creative Science" aka http://www.fuellesspower.com/ , & others
of their type live somewhere on the edge of acceptable business practices
& outright scamming , I prefer to use the names & references these sites
use in their advertising literature to search for information on the
subject they
are trying to sell you , to check it's validity or authenticity.

It didn't take long to find a complaint link from  "fuellesspower" where
they threaten to take keelynet to court , there's a link to Jerry Deckers
reply to
the "threats" they make & it's quite amusing...
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Organizations/FuellessPower/

I suppose the bottom line is to research & educate yourself on what
you are looking for as much as possible well before parting with hard
currency , even if you do get the goods delivered , chances are that the
plans are , incomplete & not drawn to any engineering or scale standards
I have drawn better "mud maps" on A4 paper on building sites , than the
designs for EMP devices etc that "information unlimited" supplied me with
on a cheap home burnt unlabeled CD.

Also you might have difficulty in getting a SMTP email server to download a
file
greater than 5 megabytes in size. Most ISP's will not accept a > 5meg
email attachment , which makes things difficult to deliver the Data you
"purchased"

Maybe you can Megger (500 volt dynamo style) or Pietzo electric shock their
web server or cripple their business communications system by diverting all
their incoming phone calls to an expensive 1900 number in the Bahama's
somewhere etc..
NB these suggestions may be illegal or frowned upon by the local
authorities , especially if you get caught & claim lack of customer
satisfaction for your <justified> actions............

JB

"A properly functioning reactor does not leak.  There is nowhere
for anything to evaporate to.  The coolant system, the fuel rods,
and even the reactor walls are all closely monitored."

	 Ever read about problems removing spent fuel rods because their casing
had swelled up?  Do you think that could happen without any change in
total weight, measured down to the milligram?

Ed

What does "quality" have to do with the physical-material world?

   Tao


               "The Tao that can be told is not the
               eternal Tao; the name that can be
               named is not the eternal name."
               Tao Te Ching



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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "David Thomson" <yahoogroups@...>
   To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 4:44 PM
   Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Fred - Fred's brain is not too small to weigh


   >
   >>   Of course it depends on the QUANTITY of Fred's thinking.
   >> But then there is the issue of the QUALITY of Fred's brain
   >> and and how that relates to the "famous equation".
   >
   > I think it's funny to talk about a Special Relativity Diet, but
   > let's not make it too personal.  Fred is a quality contributor to
   > this list and we should be careful not to be disrespectful.
   >
   > Dave
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You are talking about a 'brain storm" or the brain counterpart to some
kind of "big bomb" in atomic physics.

   There is also the slower method of converting m to E in the brain.

   After all, it's only a physical world out there, right?

   Tao


               "The Tao that can be told is not the
               eternal Tao; the name that can be
               named is not the eternal name."
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   From: "Ed Phillips" <evp@...>
   To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Fred - Fred's brain is not too small to weigh


   >
   > "  Can we weigh the m loss of Fred's brain as it is converted to E by
   > thinking?
   >
   >  Tao"
   >
   > Well, some of the things I read here "blow MY mind"!
   >
   > Ed
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"  The Weber-Fechner Law of Psychophysics is still law in psych and
still
psych's only law. But we now need to upgrade it with the Special
Relativity
Diet, tested out empirically by weighing Fred's brain before and after
some
serious thinking which we know will begin any day.

   Tao"

	 What about The Law of Incredible Gullibity which seems so common among
those of us who send stuff here?  "Anything goes" (until you try to make
it work, that is).

Ed

P.S. Does anybody really believe that "psych" is a science???????

"Out of the 3  items above , only one item is  _close_ to  being legit.
   Turning a 1911 pistol into full auto , can be done via 2 different
patented
methods that I know of ,  the same "instructions" that you pay for can
be
obtained for free & undoctored at the USPTO , if you know how to
navigate the site properly. PN 2,056,975 is one method."

	 I had that happen to a beautiful little Walther 32 double-action auto
that had a broken sear return spring.  When I mentioned that at the
range the range master said that had happened to someone's 45 a few
weeks before, and pointed to the holes in the roof to prove it.

Ed

Let's say psych is not a science. The brain is only physical and therefore
obeys "The Famous Equation" in grovelling subservience like all else in the
physical world for all eternity.

   E=mc2 is ETERNAL TRUTH!!!

   Nevertheless it is empirically observable that a great brain like the Fred
brain can generate physical extensions to move mountains while a humble
brain like that of yours truly can only generate the physical extensions to
move molehills. How do you explain that by "The Famous Equation"?

   Tao


               "The Tao that can be told is not the
               eternal Tao; the name that can be
               named is not the eternal name."
               Tao Te Ching



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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Ed Phillips" <evp@...>
   To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [usa-tesla] Fred - Fred's brain is not too small to weigh


   >
   > "  The Weber-Fechner Law of Psychophysics is still law in psych and
   > still
   > psych's only law. But we now need to upgrade it with the Special
   > Relativity
   > Diet, tested out empirically by weighing Fred's brain before and after
   > some
   > serious thinking which we know will begin any day.
   >
   >  Tao"
   >
   > What about The Law of Incredible Gullibity which seems so common among
   > those of us who send stuff here?  "Anything goes" (until you try to make
   > it work, that is).
   >
   > Ed
   >
   > P.S. Does anybody really believe that "psych" is a science???????
   >
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   > Yahoo! Groups Links
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  What does "quality" have to do with the physical-material world?

  Tao


              "The Tao that can be told is not the
              eternal Tao; the name that can be
              named is not the eternal name."
              Tao Te Ching



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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "David Thomson" <yahoogroups@...>
  To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 4:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Fred - Fred's brain is not too small to weigh


  >
  >>   Of course it depends on the QUANTITY of Fred's thinking.
  >> But then there is the issue of the QUALITY of Fred's brain
  >> and and how that relates to the "famous equation".
  >
  > I think it's funny to talk about a Special Relativity Diet, but
  > let's not make it too personal.  Fred is a quality contributor to
  > this list and we should be careful not to be disrespectful.
  >
  > Dave
  >

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