I will try.  It is a characteristic of a conductor of limited dimensions
that a wave will travel to the end of the conductor and be reflected back.
If there are successive waves and they are timed right with respect to the
dimensions of the conductor, the reflected traveling energy of a wave will
be canceled by the new wave and added to it.  This forms standing waves.
This can be illustrated very nicely by waves in a rope hanging from a tall
building.  It is the same for electrical waves.  Since lightning set up
such standing waves in the earth, Tesla concluded that the earth had,
under some circumstances, the characteristics of a conductor of limited
dimensions.  Since the earth acted as a conducting medium, Tesla thought
that with the proper generator, he could transmit energy without wires.
Wallace Edward Brand

Frank A. Jur wrote:

> From: "Frank A. Jur" < jur@...>
>
> Frank Van der Auwera wrote:
> >
> > From: Frank Van der Auwera <fvdauwer@...>
> >
> > The list surely looks inactive....
> >
>
> Probably only because everyone is waiting for someone else to be the
> first.  You'll probably see more now.  (By the way, I'm not the list
> owner.)
>
> Well, let me start.
>
> I'm a former electrical engineer and an American who now lives in
> eastern Russia.  Here I work as an English teacher.
>
> What got me interested in this list is not necessarily the work of Tesla
> that went on to be the foundation of high voltage engineering, but his
> idea of "free energy and communication for the masses."  Apparently his
> lightning tower experiment at his Colorado labratory showed him that
> this was possible.  But no one has been able to tell me why a chain of
> successive lightning strikes convinced him of his "free energy" theory.
> Is there anyone out there who can shed some light on this?
>
> Frank
>
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Frank Van der Auwera wrote:
>
> From: Frank Van der Auwera <fvdauwer@...>
>
> The list surely looks inactive....
>

Probably only because everyone is waiting for someone else to be the
first.  You'll probably see more now.  (By the way, I'm not the list
owner.)

Well, let me start.

I'm a former electrical engineer and an American who now lives in
eastern Russia.  Here I work as an English teacher.

What got me interested in this list is not necessarily the work of Tesla
that went on to be the foundation of high voltage engineering, but his
idea of "free energy and communication for the masses."  Apparently his
lightning tower experiment at his Colorado labratory showed him that
this was possible.  But no one has been able to tell me why a chain of
successive lightning strikes convinced him of his "free energy" theory.
Is there anyone out there who can shed some light on this?

Frank

I just signed up for this list.

I just bought a video on Tesla.  Just got it today.  I will let you know what I
find.

in Light,

David

.




Frank Van der Auwera wrote:

> From: Frank Van der Auwera <fvdauwer@...>
>
> The list surely looks inactive....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription
> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and
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The list surely looks inactive....

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:14:33 -0600 Bert Hickman
<bert.hickman@...> wrote:

> From: Bert Hickman <bert.hickman@...>
>

>
> Frank and all,
>
> Most likely there was some residual gas left in the bulb, and under the
> high AC voltage, a plasma discharge was generated. The small refreactory
> button was raised to incandescence through localized heating from the
> displacement current (AC current charging/discharging the capacitance of
> the discharge and surrounding region). When the discharge current is
> concentrated in a small area, substantial localized heating occurs
> through ion bombardment and secondary emission of electrons. If a high
> enough voltage is applied, and the electrode is small and pointed, this
> degree of heating can even occur in a high vacuum through field emission
> of electrons.
>
> Tesla's experiments with refractory button lamps were done many years
> (1891) before the discovery of the electron ("cathode rays") by Crookes
> and Townsend in 1897. In his lectures, Tesla believed that molecular
> bomardment was the fundamental cause of the incandescence (since
> electrons had not yet been officially discovered).
>
> -- Bert --

Thats what i thought, Thanks for looking into it.

Frank Van der Auwera.

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Frank Van der Auwera wrote:
>
> From: Frank Van der Auwera <fvdauwer@...>
>
> On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:39:20 -0700 michael olson
> <amplexus@...> wrote:
>
> > From: michael olson <amplexus@...>
> >
> > Actually Tesla did know it was a particle accelerator and wrote up his
> > observations on the action-reaction of particles being attracted to the
> > button or globe, then repelled at a faster rate to the outer shell. I
> > can look up the notes it you want.
> >
> >  Michael
> >
>
> I have that description by him somewhere, but i seem to
> remember him describing it as gas molecules being
> accelerated. i don't think in that time, elementary
> particles were known. as i don't remember exactly when
> these experiments were going on, i don't even know they
> knew about the structure of the atom. actually, i don't
> think Tesla even mentioned the word 'electron' in any of
> his early publications. when exactly was the existence of
> the electron first demonstrated and recognised as such?
> anyone? (too lazy to look it up)
>
> Frank Van der Auwera.
>
> ------------------------------
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Frank and all,

Most likely there was some residual gas left in the bulb, and under the
high AC voltage, a plasma discharge was generated. The small refreactory
button was raised to incandescence through localized heating from the
displacement current (AC current charging/discharging the capacitance of
the discharge and surrounding region). When the discharge current is
concentrated in a small area, substantial localized heating occurs
through ion bombardment and secondary emission of electrons. If a high
enough voltage is applied, and the electrode is small and pointed, this
degree of heating can even occur in a high vacuum through field emission
of electrons.

Tesla's experiments with refractory button lamps were done many years
(1891) before the discovery of the electron ("cathode rays") by Crookes
and Townsend in 1897. In his lectures, Tesla believed that molecular
bomardment was the fundamental cause of the incandescence (since
electrons had not yet been officially discovered).

-- Bert --

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:39:20 -0700 michael olson
<amplexus@...> wrote:

> From: michael olson <amplexus@...>
>
> Actually Tesla did know it was a particle accelerator and wrote up his
> observations on the action-reaction of particles being attracted to the
> button or globe, then repelled at a faster rate to the outer shell. I
> can look up the notes it you want.
>
>  Michael
>

I have that description by him somewhere, but i seem to
remember him describing it as gas molecules being
accelerated. i don't think in that time, elementary
particles were known. as i don't remember exactly when
these experiments were going on, i don't even know they
knew about the structure of the atom. actually, i don't
think Tesla even mentioned the word 'electron' in any of
his early publications. when exactly was the existence of
the electron first demonstrated and recognised as such?
anyone? (too lazy to look it up)

Frank Van der Auwera.

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Hi,
I have only posted once before, and I too like Bob have recently
discovered Tesla.  My girlfriend got me this excellent book on Tesla
called "The Inventions, Research & Writings of Nikola Tesla".  I have
found the web a great source of information and this list although has
had its ups and downs seems to be picking up with some good discussion,
especially for someone who still has not built a Tesla coil and is
frothing at the mouth to do so.  Some thing constructive to add to the
list;  a couple of web site with some interesting if not out there
information and hard to find decent Alternative energy/science/Tesla
stuff.  They are www.vector-press.com.au and
www.gold-mountain.co.nz/lostech/index.html
Hope these may be of use to anyone out there.  Just a quick question,  I
was looking for any really good tesla coil designs.  Anyone got one of
the web b4 and tried it and if so which one worked the best.
Thanks Andrew




>
>> > Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
>> > subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.
I will
>> > stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could
everyone
>> > here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Dye Hawley
>> >
>I tried to unsubscribe from the other list, was fed up with nothing but
>bickering and the indecencies of Roxanne. For some reason didn't work.
>I'm posting both lists now. I'm fascinated with Tesla whom I discovered
>6 months ago. I'm reading every book I can get my hands on and am
>anxious to duplicate and innovate.
>Bob Volk
>
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Actually Tesla did know it was a particle accelerator and wrote up his
observations on the action-reaction of particles being attracted to the
button or globe, then repelled at a faster rate to the outer shell. I
can look up the notes it you want.

  Michael

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:55:54 -0800 Robert Volk
<smrtmny2@...> wrote:

> From: Robert Volk <smrtmny2@...>
>
> > My contribution for today: i can confirm that for making
> > microwave plasma, finely divided carbon is one of the best
> > sources.
>
> Hey Frank!
> Interesting observation. I think Tesla's arc lamps used a carbon button
> to create the plasma inside.
> Bob

are you referring to his closed one-electrode 'button'
lamps? i seem to remember that these had a tungsten
electrode, to withstand the heavy elektron bombardment that
made the button whitehot. (of course, in his days, they
didn't know it was a particle accelerator thay had made)

Frank Van der Auwera.

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> My contribution for today: i can confirm that for making
> microwave plasma, finely divided carbon is one of the best
> sources.

Hey Frank!
Interesting observation. I think Tesla's arc lamps used a carbon button
to create the plasma inside.
Bob

Hello everyone as well

Have been on theother list for several years, mostly as a
lurker, allthough some might remember me contributing to
several discussions in the past, mostly about microwave
plasma experiments. Although i am still receiving the
original list, i have been for some reason unable to post
to it for several months. Not that it was worth posting to,
lately... glad to see the opportunity to start with a fresh
and unadulterated Tesla list!

My contribution for today: i can confirm that for making
microwave plasma, finely divided carbon is one of the best
sources. just got confirmation the other day when , in my
combination traditional/mw oven, in which a cake had been
baked in traditional mode, a broken-off and carbonised
piece of cake started to spew the nicest ballightnings the
next time i switched it on it microwave mode...

greets all,

Frank Van der Auwera.

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Hallo Dye and other list members,

Having been on this mailing list for only a couple of months, I am
currently soaking up descriptions of ideas and experiments by others
till now. I am for instance intrigued by the Testatika (Swiss ML)
machine, purportedly able to continuously deliver up to 3 kW to
individual households in the Mathernita community, Switzerland!.

This machine seems to use a modified Wimhurst electrostatic generator,
with spinning segmented disks. I am still puzzled how the obviously very
high voltage (pulsed dc) is being converted to a "low 230 Volts dc" (at
some 13 Amps!), with so little equipment!.

How does the hi V dc get "transformed" into "low voltage" (230 Vdc)?
There must be some clever intermediate RF/AC and rectification process
that we are yet to fully understand.
The large cylinders seem obvious as (at least) storage capacitors, like
Leyden jars. Could they also act as capacitive voltage dividers?

In this respect, what's the role of the magnet assemblies? (in some
models they seem to be present, in others not). Are they
facilitating/supporting the rectification process?

After a flurry of Mailing list activity in late '98, I have not heard of
anybody experimenting (or beeing able to explain it) any further.

On the Solaris site (see URL below) there is a statement that:
"A similar device will be demonstrated at the next EXOTIC RESEARCH
conference. This conference will run four days. July 23 to July 26 1998.
Calvin B. from International High Tech. is now in the process of
building this device. We are able to build this as recent information
has been obtained from The Boston Musium of Science. At the end of the
conference we will tell ALL!
Bruce A. Perreau ". (see:
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/swiss.htm).

There is also a discussion on Gravity Gate:
http://www.starwon.com.au/~rayd/swiss.htm

Does anybody experiment with this or have any further
explanation/comments?

Looking forward to hearing from you folks and discussing this (and
other) approach(es).

Cheers,
Eric


>----------
>From:  coexusa[SMTP:coexusa@...]
>Sent:  Monday, January 11, 1999 8:35 AM
>To:  usa-tesla@onelist.com
>Subject:  [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone
>
>From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
>Eric,
>
>How do feel that you can extract "free energy" ( I don't believe there is
>any free energy)  from electro-static equipment?  I would love to hear your
>comments.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dye Hawley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nuver, Eric <Eric.Nuver@...>
>To: 'coexusa' <coexusa@...>; 'usa-tesla@onelist.com'
><usa-tesla@onelist.com>
>Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:34 PM
>Subject: [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone
>
>
>>From: "Nuver, Eric" <Eric.Nuver@...>
>>
>>I'm here as well (and also still on the old Tesla USA list).
>>
>>I am interested to investigate and exchange ideas about Tesla,
>>and particularly electrostatic equipment, with the view to extracting
>>free energy.
>>(seems less fuss than rotating equipment and/or magnetics), but who
>>knows...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Eric
>>The Netherlands
>

Eric,

How do feel that you can extract "free energy" ( I don't believe there is
any free energy)  from electro-static equipment?  I would love to hear your
comments.

Thanks,

Dye Hawley

-----Original Message-----
From: Nuver, Eric <Eric.Nuver@...>
To: 'coexusa' <coexusa@...>; 'usa-tesla@onelist.com'
<usa-tesla@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:34 PM
Subject: [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone


>From: "Nuver, Eric" <Eric.Nuver@...>
>
>I'm here as well (and also still on the old Tesla USA list).
>
>I am interested to investigate and exchange ideas about Tesla,
>and particularly electrostatic equipment, with the view to extracting
>free energy.
>(seems less fuss than rotating equipment and/or magnetics), but who
>knows...
>
>Cheers,
>Eric
>The Netherlands
>
>>----------
>>From: Fred W. Bach[SMTP:music@...]
>>Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 7:57 AM
>>To: coexusa
>>Cc: usa-tesla@onelist.com
>>Subject: [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone
>>
>>From: "Fred W. Bach" <music@...>
>>
>>I'm here.
>>
>>   Fred Bach  music@...
>>
>>coexusa wrote:
>>
>>> From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>>>
>>> Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
>>> subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I
will
>>> stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could
>>>everyone
>>> here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dye Hawley
>>
>>
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>>
>
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I'm here as well (and also still on the old Tesla USA list).

I am interested to investigate and exchange ideas about Tesla,
and particularly electrostatic equipment, with the view to extracting
free energy.
(seems less fuss than rotating equipment and/or magnetics), but who
knows...

Cheers,
Eric
The Netherlands

>----------
>From:  Fred W. Bach[SMTP:music@...]
>Sent:  Monday, January 11, 1999 7:57 AM
>To:  coexusa
>Cc:  usa-tesla@onelist.com
>Subject:  [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone
>
>From: "Fred W. Bach" <music@...>
>
>I'm here.
>
>   Fred Bach  music@...
>
>coexusa wrote:
>
>> From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>>
>> Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
>> subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
>> stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could
>>everyone
>> here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dye Hawley
>
>
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>

Fred,

Welcome.  Good to see you on board.

Dye Hawley


-----Original Message-----
From: Fred W. Bach <music@...>
To: coexusa <coexusa@...>
Cc: usa-tesla@onelist.com <usa-tesla@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:13 PM
Subject: [usa-tesla] Re: Hello Everyone


>From: "Fred W. Bach" <music@...>
>
>I'm here.
>
>   Fred Bach  music@...
>
>coexusa wrote:
>
>> From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>>
>> Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
>> subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I
will
>> stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could
everyone
>> here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dye Hawley
>
>
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I'm here.

    Fred Bach  music@...

coexusa wrote:

> From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
> Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
> subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
> stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could everyone
> here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dye Hawley

> > Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
> > subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
> > stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could everyone
> > here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dye Hawley
> >
I tried to unsubscribe from the other list, was fed up with nothing but
bickering and the indecencies of Roxanne. For some reason didn't work.
I'm posting both lists now. I'm fascinated with Tesla whom I discovered
6 months ago. I'm reading every book I can get my hands on and am
anxious to duplicate and innovate.
Bob Volk

Matt here, a most-of-the-time lurker.  I'm now on both lists.  (I'm
staying on the old one because the first message worth replying to in
months came about 10 minutes after I signed up on the new list.
Figures.)

Matt

coexusa wrote:
>
> From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
> Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
> subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
> stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could everyone
> here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dye Hawley
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and
> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

It's good to see some traffic here!  Was beginning to wonder if my
s*ubscription had gone through.

Probably most of you know me from the old list, as an occasional poster.
Since the Tesla Society no longer appears to exist, i guess you'd have to
say i'm a former Tesla Society volunteer.  Fortunately they don't owe me any
money, and i don't owe them anything.  I'm staying in communication with as
many of the principals of the Society as possible.

I plan to keep the torch burning for Tesla's knowledge.  Sometimes i come up
with strange ideas, and like to run them by the others on these lists.
Occasionally i may annouce events or products that would be of interest.
Mostly i plan to continue learning here.

To find out more about who i am, please check my web site at
http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

At 02:46 PM 1/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "Mark Holden" <twohead@...>
>
>Greetings Coexusa. List Lurker here just hanging out waiting for interesting
>ideas and of course after all this time wondering if the mothership will
>ever land to repair it's Newman Engine.... ;v)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: coexusa <coexusa@...>
>To: usa-tesla@onelist.com <usa-tesla@onelist.com>
>Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:01 PM
>Subject: [usa-tesla] Hello Everyone
>
>
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P.O. Box 2775, Cheyenne, Wyoming 82003 ** (303)829-0774
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Greetings Coexusa. List Lurker here just hanging out waiting for interesting
ideas and of course after all this time wondering if the mothership will
ever land to repair it's Newman Engine.... ;v)
-----Original Message-----
From: coexusa <coexusa@...>
To: usa-tesla@onelist.com <usa-tesla@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:01 PM
Subject: [usa-tesla] Hello Everyone


>From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
>Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
>subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
>stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could
everyone
>here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dye Hawley
>
>
>
>
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>

Just checking....is anyone here now?  I am curious as to who is now
subscribed.  I would love to talk about Tesla and his technologies.  I will
stay on the old Tesla List as well.  Just for the fun of it...could everyone
here please respond to this with a SHORT email saying who they are?

Thanks,

Dye Hawley

Hi Mr. Brand!

I'm just testing out this new list and seeing if my sorting filters work
(seems ok so far)
...
You'll probably notice that the mail software you're using will work *just
a little* different,
but actually, more properly.

If you use "reply" then your mail software will send directly to the
sender, and NOT
TO THE LIST. If you use "reply-all" your reply will GO TO THE LIST.
This actually allows you to easily take thing off-list if you like!
-ron
BTW, I'm trying to drum up ex-tesla-society heads right now, so this list
should be quiet
until more fresh blood comes in, I suppose!

The list instructions at the end of this post direct you to the list
server. You can always
find out WHO is SUBSCRIBED to the list by asking it who is subscribed (I
believe
it is the command "REVIEW", but I'm not sure yet...all the instructions are
on the onelist
site.

On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 02:16:33 -0800 Ron Stephens
<stephens@...> wrote:

>SNIP
> I'm gonna try via net-searches to invite other serious tesla heads onto the
> list. Maybe
> we could get some fresh blood and ideas going.
>

Nice work, Ron!

Let's hope there will more people able to distinguish that
fine line between science(albeit alternative) and
pseudoscience. BTW, I had a look at the site promoted by
one of the founders of the original usatesla list, whose
name escapes me for the moment, but it looked to me as if
the contributions in the magazine the site promotes are
leaning more towards  unverifiable story style than serious
scientific or technical debate. Hope this new list will be
more technical and scientific, and less of the conjectural
empty discussions we have unfortunately grown accustomed to
on the other usa-tesla list....
no flame-bait intended, just hope this new list will find
its balance between autocensure and gullibleness...

greets and thanks for the hope on a brighter future for
usa-tesla!

Frank Van der Auwera.

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Dye:
What I like about this service is a few things:
1. You're never gonna get any requests about how to unsubscribe :)
(the trailer on each message tells you how)
2. They are a very organized service, from what I can tell.
3. There's never any question about who is doing what, because I made it
all visible.

On the current list, I emailed the admin several times, complaining about
the language.
NO response. The list has fallen into dis-administration (for lack of a
better word).
=ron=
P.S. The question was raised as to "well, the arbiter is YOU". Well, that's
right.
Right now it is. But I also indicated that a group could admin as well.
I'm just trying to create a "clean, healthy environment" for the
dissemination of ideas,
rather than the cesspool the other list has become.

I'm gonna try via net-searches to invite other serious tesla heads onto the
list. Maybe
we could get some fresh blood and ideas going.

Yep, it works fine!

At 11:08 PM 1/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
>Ron,
>
>Just wanted to see if you were there?  Will this list show all the emails
>that are going back and forth just like the other Tesla list?  I presume it
>will.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dye Hawley
>
>
>
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>to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and
>select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

Ron,

Cool.... it does show all emails.  I thought it would..but I was just
testing.

Thanks,

Dye Hawely
-----Original Message-----
From: coexusa <coexusa@...>
To: usa-tesla@onelist.com <usa-tesla@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:13 PM
Subject: [usa-tesla] Testing my new subscription


>From: "coexusa" <coexusa@...>
>
>Ron,
>
>Just wanted to see if you were there?  Will this list show all the emails
>that are going back and forth just like the other Tesla list?  I presume it
>will.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dye Hawley
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription
>to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and
>select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

Ron,

Just wanted to see if you were there?  Will this list show all the emails
that are going back and forth just like the other Tesla list?  I presume it
will.

Thanks,

Dye Hawley

At 09:26 PM 1/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Dye Hawley here.  I subscribed to your new list.  However, I still feel that
>people can filter out the bad ones on the other list.  It is really NOT that
>hard.  I have been in computers for over 23 years and I can assure you that
>people are either:  1)  Too lazy to read the HELP section on their browser
>2.) Don't care  3.)  Enjoy the profanity and find it exciting.
>
>Why should you have to moderate?  You can't sit in front of your PC for 24
>hours a day.  Anyway, I think we should all stay where we are.  I will
>subscribe to this list to be sure to catch any info that I don't on the
>other.  I just don't like fragmenting this group.  I like 90% of the people
>and I want us to stay together.   Running to another list is NOT the answer.
Dye: I appreciate your input. But there are two types of moderation...
1. I approve every email sent on the list
2. I only approve subscriptions.

The latter is the one I chose. This allows me to disallow/remove irritants like
Roxanne. I've been in computers for 27 years; I'm no dummy either.
I just think it's irresponsible to leave this list in this unmoderated
state, given
its direction: It's turned into a cesspool of cussing, and newbies that
are unsophisticated just don't know what to do, except to unsubscribe.

I've been following the length of the subscription list: it's been shrinking.
So, do you really expect that people will put up with this cussing for long?

No. I disagree with you on the solution. Yep, people *are* lazy, and don't read
the instructions. Nope, they shouldn't have to. Yep *some* people don't care.
BUT, *SOME* are offended (witness the desubscription process: the list
*is* shrinking)

So, if you're all for 5 or 10 people, and Roxanne cussing at them as your idea
of a list, then stay on, and enjoy!
-ron

Ron,

Dye Hawley here.  I subscribed to your new list.  However, I still feel that
people can filter out the bad ones on the other list.  It is really NOT that
hard.  I have been in computers for over 23 years and I can assure you that
people are either:  1)  Too lazy to read the HELP section on their browser
2.) Don't care  3.)  Enjoy the profanity and find it exciting.

Why should you have to moderate?  You can't sit in front of your PC for 24
hours a day.  Anyway, I think we should all stay where we are.  I will
subscribe to this list to be sure to catch any info that I don't on the
other.  I just don't like fragmenting this group.  I like 90% of the people
and I want us to stay together.   Running to another list is NOT the answer.

Respectfully,

Dye Hawley