kfstevens@... wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has any one heard of a web site that told about how you could get
> electrical power from a magnetic tape?  The kind used in video tape
> reels or tape recorders.  There was a site about two years back.  I
> don't remember how to find it now.
>
> Also I  am interested in finding some information on collecting
> electricity from old record players (static?).
>
> Best,  Ken
>


   Ho ho ho.  I suppose if you got enough of them, say a
   truckload, you could substitute them for fuel at a
   coal-fired power plant.  :-)   Being mostly carbon with
   some iron and other metals, they ought to be similar in
   content to coal.

   Ever heard of the law of conservation of mass and energy?

   You might want to lookup the Windhurst generator (I hope I
   spelled that correctly....)  It's been around for a century
   or so.

   Cheers,

   .. Fred Bach  music@...  Opinions are only mine.

Fred Bach wrote:
>
> kfstevens@... wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has any one heard of a web site that told about how you could get
> > electrical power from a magnetic tape?  The kind used in video tape
> > reels or tape recorders.  There was a site about two years back.  I
> > don't remember how to find it now.
> >
> > Also I  am interested in finding some information on collecting
> > electricity from old record players (static?).
> >
> > Best,  Ken
> >
>
>   Ho ho ho.  I suppose if you got enough of them, say a
>   truckload, you could substitute them for fuel at a
>   coal-fired power plant.  :-)   Being mostly carbon with
>   some iron and other metals, they ought to be similar in
>   content to coal.

	 Good suggestion!

>   Ever heard of the law of conservation of mass and energy?


	 Apparently almost no one on this list has!
>   You might want to lookup the Windhurst generator (I hope I
>   spelled that correctly....)  It's been around for a century
>   or so.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>   .. Fred Bach  music@...  Opinions are only mine.

	 That's Wimshurst after James Wimshurts.  Been around for about a
century and a half.  Lindsay Publications

  (http://www.keynet.net/~lindsay/)

has a number of useful books on electrostatic generators.  Also, Antonio

  (http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html)

has a great deal of information on such machines; I would recommend it
highly.

	 The easiest generator to build is probably a simple Ven de Graaf, and
you can find many construction references if you will do a Google
search.

	 If you're interested in this general subject try:

	 http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird.html

for a lot of science AND nonsense (clearly noted as such).  Includes all
kinds of experiments and construction articles.

Ed

kfstevens@... wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has any one heard of a web site that told about how you could get
> electrical power from a magnetic tape?  The kind used in video tape
> reels or tape recorders.  There was a site about two years back.  I
> don't remember how to find it now.
>
> Also I  am interested in finding some information on collecting
> electricity from old record players (static?).
>
> Best,  Ken
>


 Ho ho ho.  I suppose if you got enough of them, say a
 truckload, you could substitute them for fuel at a
 coal-fired power plant.  :-)   Being mostly carbon with
 some iron and other metals, they ought to be similar in
 content to coal.

 Ever heard of the law of conservation of mass and energy?

 You might want to lookup the Windhurst generator (I hope I
 spelled that correctly....)  It's been around for a century
 or so.

 Cheers,

 .. Fred Bach  music@...  Opinions are only mine.

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Hi Ho ho ho,

Never mind I found it:

http://users.groovy.gr/~pps/pps.htm#TOP

Ken

--- In usa-tesla@y..., Wallace Edward Brand <webrand2@e...> wrote:
> on 10/1/01 10:57 AM, Fred Bach at music@e... wrote:
>
> kfstevens@h... wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has any one heard of a web site that told about how you could get
> > electrical power from a magnetic tape?  The kind used in video
tape
> > reels or tape recorders.  There was a site about two years back.
I
> > don't remember how to find it now.
> >
> > Also I  am interested in finding some information on collecting
> > electricity from old record players (static?).
> >
> > Best,  Ken
> >
>
>
>  Ho ho ho.  I suppose if you got enough of them, say a
>  truckload, you could substitute them for fuel at a
>  coal-fired power plant.  :-)   Being mostly carbon with
>  some iron and other metals, they ought to be similar in
>  content to coal.
>
>  Ever heard of the law of conservation of mass and energy?
>
>  You might want to lookup the Windhurst generator (I hope I
>  spelled that correctly....)  It's been around for a century
>  or so.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  .. Fred Bach  music@t...  Opinions are only mine.
>
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> Fred:  I think its "Wimhurst"

At 06:30 AM 2/10/01, you wrote:
>Hi Ho ho ho,
>
>Never mind I found it:
>
>http://users.groovy.gr/~pps/pps.htm#TOP
>
>Ken

My only question is , why hasn't he published any of the emails or replies
he recieved from his many postings to the various newsgroups ? At a time
when the newsgroups were fun and an interesting read , he was cross posting
to 6 or 7 newsgroups <very bad netiquette>. He claims of 40 flames or
questions about his project from interested people yet shows none of them ,
I still have archives of various "good" postings I read on newsgroups from
1995.

Offering a public demonstration in Greece to a mostly US based audience
would be pointless , he may well have something useful , even if what he
has is an inexplicable "parlour trick" , in my experiences , if you keep
working at or on these "parlour tricks" you will get something useful out
of them , this guy seems more hung up on "outside evil forces" trying to
thwart his plans & lack of funds to make his project work , rather than
using what he has at hand and "hacking" together a prototype that works ,
he crys foul in a business/commercial area that "inventors" have used for
years to create coverups & conspiracy theories.
IMHO if you are going to build/invent something make it _very_ dangerous &
destructive , there's always a plethora of interested buyers ,  make
something that will cripple police cars & ionise the kevlar clad jack
booted men in black  that come along in the middle of the night to take you
& your inventions away , these sort of inventions will get you somewhere ,
basicaly because no one can stop you from doing what you are doing ,
extreme ? possibly , but what other options do you have to say I'm here
listen to me & actually be listened to ?
I'd sure as hell take my option (preferably only to the first stage of
nukeing government vehicles & not their passengers) than put up a
rhetorical conspiracy WWW page & say "I'm not getting a fair go" , trust me
you will never get a fair go unless you make the effort to take it.


JB

Folks, this has nothing to do with Tesla or general science.  But it does
seem to be relevant to the broader social issues that some on this list
apparently enjoy discussing and debating.

This was passed along by a friend, and I presume the author is the
retired and wounded veteran that is claimed.  Regardless, it is a strong
and unmistakable position.  Some of you may agree, others may disagree.
Opinions?

Kent

This was written by a man who served as a Marine in Vietnam and was
wounded rather badly. He has a way with words. Pass it on.
"Cowards... nope! Jacking a jet and driving it into a high-rise at 300
knots.... no, not cowards. I wouldn't do it. They don't have an air force
so they used our training and our planes, and with great execution... far
better than our fiasco in the desert to save the hostages in Iran.
Although glued to the TV for the last 48 I haven't heard any talking
heads speak with anger and outrage. They act like it's "Columbine" and we
have to cope with this "tragedy" with counseling before resuming our
lives..... My guess is you don't hear that talk from blonde air heads on
Israeli TV... 'course they have Uzis in their briefcases.... there a
nation with some cajones.
This is the picture of America after more than a decade of "sensitivity
classes"... of "hate speech"... of training males and females together in
the Army, Air Force and Navy (and thank god NOT in the Marine Corps)...
of Shannon Faulkner... of A Navy sub captain crying his eyes out on
national TV after his boat took out a fishing vessel... of the last US
President having to be taught by aides how to salute because as a draft
dodger, he never learned... of our TV and motion pictures "heroes" vowing
to leave the country because an election didn't go their way, then not
leaving... of having no draft... of modifying escape and evasion training
at the Air Force Academy because some female threatened a lawsuit (after
accepting a $750,000 education courtesy of the US taxpayer) because she
felt "sexually harassed..." of a female, Army Blackhawk pilot who refused
to fly because it was her kid's "constitutional right" to breast feed,
AND her Army Blackhawk pilot husband helping bring the lawsuit against
the Army... of the meandering definition of what "is" is... of career
military officers getting masters degrees and PhDs out our expense, yet
have no idea how to "fix bayonets," let alone lead the charge... of
Hillary Clinton as a role model... of the Air Force disallowing the
painting of pin-up nose art on the aircraft of men who might just be
required to fly said craft to their deaths-- all because some lesbian
from the National Organization of Gals (NAG) threatened a branch of the
United States Military... of "Bobby Has Two Daddies" and "Lisa Has Two
Mommies"... of a 15 year-old needing parental permission for a tattoo,
but not for an abortion... of our tax money being used to pay an "artist"
to immerse a crucifix in a jar of urine... of American citizens
complaining about the noise military jets make when flying over their
house, and going to court to get the target runs changed, and
succeeding... of a citizenry that cannot distinguish between an admiral
and a chief petty officer, or between a pilot and a clerk for that
matter." We don't have John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart...we have Jason
Priestly and Yanni. We don't have Ernie Pyle and Walter Cronkite... we
have Peter Jennings.
In short, we have been feminized. Not in the Maggie Thatcher, or Golda
Meir kick-your-ass way... but in the whining,
ACLU-get-in-touch-with-your-feelings, men-are-the-enemies kind of way.
And thanks to Bill Clinton and his ilk we have an eviscerated combat
force that is top-heavy with fat ass, butt-boy flag officers, and short
on NCOs willing, capable, and prepared to skewer Achmed or Habib with a
bayonet. We will now pay the piper for electing Bill Clinton twice. It
will be clear when we mount whatever military response we eventually
choose. Smart bombs and Cruise missiles (if we have any left) fired from
offshore will only make us look more impotent and less committed. And
yet, Clinton will still have his defenders despite the fact that because
of him we cannot defend ourselves in the manner required of the world's
only superpower. And NOW the same people that voted for this moral and
physical coward, want our servicemen and women to go in harm's way... and
pay the price with one arm tied behind their back.
It's been over three decades since I fired a shot in anger in a war we
weren't firmly committed to... and yet we were in a far better mind set
then than we are today. I feel bad for the poor kids that we are going to
send today to do what has to be done. Thank god curbside check-in has
been abolished; I'll sleep better tonight.
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The erosional was based on the fact that a tape moves past a head and
induces a voltage in it.
It ignored friction, and motive power; and was as infantile a thought  as:

Quote, nameless to protect the deep thinker:  I'd sure as hell take my
option (preferably only to the first stage of
nukeing government vehicles & not their passengers) than put up a
rhetorical conspiracy WWW page & say "I'm not getting a fair go" , trust me
you will never get a fair go unless you make the effort to take it.

Mind you that you will get attention, and your 15 minutes of infamy, but
your message will be as lost as the twin tower fiasco. We say "why"?; and
some say that if we must ask why, we haven't been hearing the message.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent L. Aldershof" <Aldershof-MSI@...>
To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:18 PM
Subject: [usa-tesla] A Marine's Views


> Folks, this has nothing to do with Tesla or general science.  But it does
> seem to be relevant to the broader social issues that some on this list
> apparently enjoy discussing and debating.
>
> This was passed along by a friend, and I presume the author is the
> retired and wounded veteran that is claimed.  Regardless, it is a strong
> and unmistakable position.  Some of you may agree, others may disagree.
> Opinions?
>
> Kent
<SNIIIPPPP>

I agree that we will pay dearly for our past 'choices'.  The only question
is ' will we learn? '

jim

I ran across this on the net, and thought that some would get a laugh out of
reading it? Or maybe not....... here is the link.

http://www.etherzone.com/sees100801.shtml

JPM

Snared from another list.
Alleged Partial Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript Obtained
Q: Was flight 93 shot down?

Jim Farrer

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pilot Transcript from PA plane
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT)



http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-95791220010912-130955.\
html

At 05:34 PM 10/03/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Snared from another list.
>Alleged Partial Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript Obtained
>Q: Was flight 93 shot down?
>
>Jim Farrer
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Pilot Transcript from PA plane
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-95791220010912-130955\
.html

I think that there is a good chance that it was Jim. There were early
reports that stated that some
wreckage from Flight 93 was found eight miles up the flight path from where
it actually crashed.
If these reports were true, then this would indicate that either a bomb did
explode on board, or
the other obvious alternative. It is clear that Bush did give the order to
shoot it down if needed.
And under the circumstances was probably the right thing to do, but IMO, if
this is what happened
it will be covered if possible, or maybe even at all costs. There is a bit
too much secrecy surrounding
this crash, IMO... and data from black boxes is usually release quite soon
after their recovery,
but in this case it is being withheld for unknown reasons, and supposedly
the flight voice recorder
was too damaged to be of value? Too much secrecy... leaves room for
suspicion, of a cover. It may
be interesting to see what develops over time, related to the cause of the
crash. Even if it was
downed by the military, there does seem to have been a valiant attempt by
the passengers to
down it anyway, or stop the hijackers from completing there plans. This is
the only aspect that
appears to be clear, at this point.

JPM

For everyone that has never seen a pulsed plasma motor run - I have
loaded a video clip of the new prototype running. This is the basic
commutator design as described within claim 14 of my US patent
6,271,614 - that will be of use in EV - cars, RVs Busses or golf
carts. The plasma will be safely & separately contained within it's
own sealed container.  With this "cool running" new technology -
expect a minimum of 110% efficiency over conventional motors.

Please have any EE's or electrical motor technicians review this
revealing clip.

http://members.aol.com/hypercom59/index.html

Best Regards,
Chris Arnold

Jim you might like to ask "Dave the wise marmot" on the "other list"
(who ? what other list ? I deny all knowledge :)) as I posed the same
question to him on or a day after the incident.

He is located some 20 miles from the PA crash site , and any jet fighter
planes set off from the nearby .mil airfield would have taken (according to
his calculations) a flight path that  he and many other  local residents of
the area would have heard ,even  after asking other knowledgeable &
possibly not so knowledgeable (members of the local Amish community) there
were no reports from anyone in those parts of  .mil "screaming jets" flying
overhead in the area on the day & at the time in question.

I put it down to the guys storming the cabin , one of them was a "drug-co"
sales rep , who may have had some Ritalin or other strong stimulants to
"load up" the guys who took the cabin , seems there was an Australian
footballer involved in the cabin storming , (think big burly guy 6ft
something guy) , footy players _always_ like to have a few drinks when
flying ,  combine that with knowledge of what had happened  to the other
planes ,  (& possibly being hopped up on stimulants) he would definitely be
in the mood for some ultra violence , considering the other option of just
doing nothing & waiting to die , he would have gone out fighting.

Witness's of the impact said the plane was intact just before landing , but
it did make a very odd turn/skew before it hit the ground , posibly people
engaged in a violent struggle fight for the planes controls controls ?

If anyone knows of any pictures of the people involved in the storming of
the cabin on the PA flight could they post a URL , I missed the news story
, but one of the group bore a striking resemblance to me , so I was told ,
but the pictures were gone before I could get to see the TV.This is not a
vanity thing , more an interest in finding possible dopplegangers or
duplicates of me , I get mistaken or recognised as  another person on a
regular basis & would like to know if it was the Australian guy or an
American that I resembled.


Thanks for "the deep thinker" bit Will , I'll take it as a compliment ,
your own thoughts on losses due to friction , something anyone who's taken
the top off a VCR are painfully obvious , yet sadly unmentioned in the web
page. As an inventor , constructor , massive fan of applied physics &
someone who has been running or working my own business since I was ~11 yrs
old (paperboy) , I have found nothing but frustration when it comes to
actually getting an invention or innovation into the market , I keep
running into reinforced brick walls , red tape & government shite , hence
my solution of turning the problem on it's head. If I build something that
causes the government (state or federal)  enough headaches , problems or
lost revenue they will come to me , failing that I scrape up the cash and
go see a US .mil contractor straight up , rather than mess around like
the  guy who invented the "metal storm"  machine guns.
http://www.metalstorm-ltd.com/  , who tried to be patriotic & offer the
technology to the appropriate Australian Government department's  first ,
who politely turned him down  , giving him the "don't call us we'll call
you routine"
The Australian Gov. has a  seriously poor history in recognizing the talent
of the people it used to educate so well.


JB


PS  I noticed the "spin doctors" had a firm grasp of the media by about
15hrs into the first hit on the WTC , I'm not too inclined to believe all
that much I see or hear in the news as absolute gospel  about the event
now.The real news + info was broadcast in the fisrt 12hrs after the event ,
after that everything was skewed for political advantage (imho)




At 12:11 PM 4/10/01, you wrote:
>At 05:34 PM 10/03/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Snared from another list.
> >Alleged Partial Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript Obtained
> >Q: Was flight 93 shot down?
> >
> >Jim Farrer
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Pilot Transcript from PA plane
> >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-95791220010912-
> 130955.html
>
>I think that there is a good chance that it was Jim. There were early
>reports that stated that some
>wreckage from Flight 93 was found eight miles up the flight path from where
>it actually crashed.
>If these reports were true, then this would indicate that either a bomb did
>explode on board, or
>the other obvious alternative. It is clear that Bush did give the order to
>shoot it down if needed.
>And under the circumstances was probably the right thing to do, but IMO, if
>this is what happened
>it will be covered if possible, or maybe even at all costs. There is a bit
>too much secrecy surrounding
>this crash, IMO... and data from black boxes is usually release quite soon
>after their recovery,
>but in this case it is being withheld for unknown reasons, and supposedly
>the flight voice recorder
>was too damaged to be of value? Too much secrecy... leaves room for
>suspicion, of a cover. It may
>be interesting to see what develops over time, related to the cause of the
>crash. Even if it was
>downed by the military, there does seem to have been a valiant attempt by
>the passengers to
>down it anyway, or stop the hijackers from completing there plans. This is
>the only aspect that
>appears to be clear, at this point.
>
>JPM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

At 05:34 PM 10/03/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Snared from another list.
>Alleged Partial Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript Obtained
>Q: Was flight 93 shot down?
>
>Jim Farrer
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Pilot Transcript from PA plane
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-95791220010912-130955\
.html

Here is the link to more interesting info to possible advance warning of
Aug-Sept
US woes, from Russia... all indications are that many folks knew something
of a deep financial nature was going to happen in this time frame.
Interesting...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/3/212706.shtml

JPM

Hi JPM,

Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
are a credible source of info?

Thanks,

Don Gibbs

----- Original Message -----
From: "James P Moore" <ebirds@...>
To: <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:45 AM
Subject: [usa-tesla] Pilot Transcript from PA plane, and advance
warnings......


> At 05:34 PM 10/03/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Snared from another list.
> >Alleged Partial Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript Obtained
> >Q: Was flight 93 shot down?
> >
> >Jim Farrer
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Pilot Transcript from PA plane
> >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
>
>http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-957912
20010912-130955.html
>
> Here is the link to more interesting info to possible advance
warning of
> Aug-Sept
> US woes, from Russia... all indications are that many folks
knew something
> of a deep financial nature was going to happen in this time
frame.
> Interesting...
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/3/212706.shtml
>
> JPM

More facts and speculations......

http://eyesonamerica.org/200110/10050102.html

Hi JPM,

Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
are a credible source of info?

Thanks,

Don Gibbs

Newsmax is considered a "right-wing" news organization, but they are
definitely credible.

At 11:13 AM 10/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi JPM,
>
>Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
>are a credible source of info?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Don Gibbs
>
-- Michael Riversong **
Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

At 04:54 PM 10/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Newsmax is considered a "right-wing" news organization, but they are
>definitely credible.
>
>At 11:13 AM 10/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi JPM,
> >
> >Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
> >are a credible source of info?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Don Gibbs
> >
>-- Michael Riversong **
>Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
>RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
>http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

Hi MR... hope that all is well with you and yours... thanks for clearing
that issue. I honestly didn't
know about the credibility or the NMax site, but I know that their seems to
be some good recourse
there, or at least, interesting styles of reporting. It is nice to know
that they are credible for the most
part. They do seem to work at it, and Don, hopefully you weren't offended
by my reply, it wasn't meant
to be smarty or anything... I was just playing devils advocate I suppose. I
really didn't know about the
credibility of the site. Some many terms are very relative.

Keep you eyes open for retaliations for this first assault on the Taliban.
It could get bad, but I hope not...
we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
extra canisters just in case.
Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
naturally occurring.
There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
Canada, a while back, and
it was closed off to the public indefinitely.

A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
case was one of the rare natural
events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
have been contaminated.
We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
last biblical prophesies.
Only time will tell......

JPM

There is generally about one death a
year in the states from anthrax..most
of the time they never discover where
it was picked up....usually by people
that spend time in wild areas....

steve

James P Moore wrote:
>
> At 04:54 PM 10/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >Newsmax is considered a "right-wing" news organization, but they are
> >definitely credible.
> >
> >At 11:13 AM 10/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi JPM,
> > >
> > >Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
> > >are a credible source of info?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Don Gibbs
> > >
> >-- Michael Riversong **
> >Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
> >RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong
>
> Hi MR... hope that all is well with you and yours... thanks for clearing
> that issue. I honestly didn't
> know about the credibility or the NMax site, but I know that their seems to
> be some good recourse
> there, or at least, interesting styles of reporting. It is nice to know
> that they are credible for the most
> part. They do seem to work at it, and Don, hopefully you weren't offended
> by my reply, it wasn't meant
> to be smarty or anything... I was just playing devils advocate I suppose. I
> really didn't know about the
> credibility of the site. Some many terms are very relative.
>
> Keep you eyes open for retaliations for this first assault on the Taliban.
> It could get bad, but I hope not...
> we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
> extra canisters just in case.
> Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
> naturally occurring.
> There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
> Canada, a while back, and
> it was closed off to the public indefinitely.
>
> A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
> case was one of the rare natural
> events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
> have been contaminated.
> We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
> last biblical prophesies.
> Only time will tell......
>
> JPM
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hello JPM:

This is not about Newsmax, however you mentioned in your reply something
that has me
concerned about how our government and the news media are presenting certain
concerns.
You mentioned having a gas mask as your guard against biological warfare.
Have you taken a good look at Hazmat workers?  Yes they have gas mask, but
they are also clothed in special
gear.  Why?  Because one our skin is a living, breathing organism that
absorbs things and two  there are a lot of, and I mean a lot of chemicals
out there that are harmful and deadly, that can enter the body through the
skin.  Some that are completely odorless, colorless etc.

I know because we were exposed to at least 164 known chemicals that cause
all kinds of problems from death to birth defects, from genetic mutations to
chronic illness, when the BASF plant exploded on our community.  Not
everyone dies, but everyone is effected in varying degrees.  The severity
can be determined by how informed you are about these chemicals and
preventative health measures that can help minimize the effects.

My partner and I use to go around to different communities, schools, council
meetings etc. and inform folks as much as we could on ways to enhance the
immune system.  We were only two using our own funds for copies etc.  Some
were grateful, however some where not because as we learn, it is always the
consumers fault that they suffer from these maladies.  Chemicals don't harm
us they "make things better."  The government could never find any causal
effects from chemicals despite the evidence and our nations top
environmental lawyers always settle so no precedence is set.

I'm sorry, I digress.  My main point is that the government and news media
should be doing more to talk about specific natural products one can use to
enhance one's immune system which in the long run will be the best defense
against any biological attack.  We must stop the fear and panic.  Stop being
reactionary and be proactive.  We can't hide from biological warfare behind
gas mask even they must come off at some point, but we can build our systems
to resist/minimize it's effects.  I have a large family.  I know 98% can't
afford a gas mask, but they can afford a clove of garlic or bunch of
sage.NALSET

-----Original Message-----
From: James P Moore [mailto:ebirds@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:31 PM
To: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [usa-tesla] Web Credibility...


At 04:54 PM 10/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Newsmax is considered a "right-wing" news organization, but they are
>definitely credible.
>
>At 11:13 AM 10/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi JPM,
> >
> >Do you know anything about the 'Newsmax' site and whether they
> >are a credible source of info?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Don Gibbs
> >
>-- Michael Riversong **
>Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
>RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
>http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

Hi MR... hope that all is well with you and yours... thanks for clearing
that issue. I honestly didn't
know about the credibility or the NMax site, but I know that their seems to
be some good recourse
there, or at least, interesting styles of reporting. It is nice to know
that they are credible for the most
part. They do seem to work at it, and Don, hopefully you weren't offended
by my reply, it wasn't meant
to be smarty or anything... I was just playing devils advocate I suppose. I
really didn't know about the
credibility of the site. Some many terms are very relative.

Keep you eyes open for retaliations for this first assault on the Taliban.
It could get bad, but I hope not...
we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
extra canisters just in case.
Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
naturally occurring.
There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
Canada, a while back, and
it was closed off to the public indefinitely.

A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
case was one of the rare natural
events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
have been contaminated.
We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
last biblical prophesies.
Only time will tell......

JPM





Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

At 08:46 AM 10/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello JPM:
>
>This is not about Newsmax, however you mentioned in your reply something
>that has me
>concerned about how our government and the news media are presenting certain
>concerns.
>You mentioned having a gas mask as your guard against biological warfare.
>Have you taken a good look at Hazmat workers?  Yes they have gas mask, but
>they are also clothed in special
>gear.  Why?  Because one our skin is a living, breathing organism that
>absorbs things and two  there are a lot of, and I mean a lot of chemicals
>out there that are harmful and deadly, that can enter the body through the
>skin.  Some that are completely odorless, colorless etc.
>
>I know because we were exposed to at least 164 known chemicals that cause
>all kinds of problems from death to birth defects, from genetic mutations to
>chronic illness, when the BASF plant exploded on our community.  Not
>everyone dies, but everyone is effected in varying degrees.  The severity
>can be determined by how informed you are about these chemicals and
>preventative health measures that can help minimize the effects.
>
>My partner and I use to go around to different communities, schools, council
>meetings etc. and inform folks as much as we could on ways to enhance the
>immune system.  We were only two using our own funds for copies etc.  Some
>were grateful, however some where not because as we learn, it is always the
>consumers fault that they suffer from these maladies.  Chemicals don't harm
>us they "make things better."  The government could never find any causal
>effects from chemicals despite the evidence and our nations top
>environmental lawyers always settle so no precedence is set.
>
>I'm sorry, I digress.  My main point is that the government and news media
>should be doing more to talk about specific natural products one can use to
>enhance one's immune system which in the long run will be the best defense
>against any biological attack.  We must stop the fear and panic.  Stop being
>reactionary and be proactive.  We can't hide from biological warfare behind
>gas mask even they must come off at some point, but we can build our systems
>to resist/minimize it's effects.  I have a large family.  I know 98% can't
>afford a gas mask, but they can afford a clove of garlic or bunch of
>sage.NALSETEY
>CLICK HERE to search
>600,000 scholarships!
>http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM
>---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

I agree with several of your comments related to the way the gov seems to down
>play the effects of many environmental chemicals that we are exposed to.

It is there best interest not to find such possible untoward effects from such,
I suppose. The gas mask would only be effective in a very limited group of
chemical exposures, and would be of very little or not effective against a
bio attack. Taking supplements to enhance the immune system is a good
start, but that will only take you so far.

When taking such compounds, it is very prudent to make sure that the person
does not have a lyphoproliferative disease to  start with. If the immune
system is
stimulated it can exacerbate some blood diseases like leukemia, and lymphoma,
or in some cases...help create these conditions. There is a delicate balance
that must be maintained by your bodies first line defence system.

So this aspect of immune stimulation, makes it difficult to stimulate it
effectively
and safely. Even vaccinations for smallpox and other pathogens... there
will be a
small subset of folks that will manifest very bad side effects, that can leave
permanent damage, or even bring death. I stopped taking the flu shots after
reading the facts notice and waiver sheet, associated with public disclosure.

The Anthrax vaccine that the military currently uses, has been shown to have
more than the usual amount of bad side effects, but if it could keep one alive
in the event of forced exposure, then I suppose the risk would be warranted.
We all may be facing difficult decisions and hard times ahead, related to
this topics of continued danger to the US?

It is important IMO, to take a good quality multiple vitamins and mineral
supplement
each day and a strong antioxidant, such as Microhydrin, and this is a safe
way to
keep your body in good shape. Without the cofactors that your body needs,
your food will
not be unutilized to it's full potential to maintain your system's repair
mechanisms.
It would be a good idea to buy some cheap dust masks at the hardware store,
because
these are cheap, and they would give a high level of protection against
respiratory pathogens.

The problem with this type of precaution is, that one must have prior
knowledge of the
risk of possible exposure to effectively use any type of protective device,
and the odds
are, that such advance warning would be rare. This means that there is very
little that we
really can do against such possible terrorist bio-attacks.

JPM

Hello JPM:

"That's all I'm saying.  You make good points about being informed."NALSET

-----Original Message-----
From: James P Moore [mailto:ebirds@...]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:44 AM
To: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Web Credibility...


At 08:46 AM 10/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello JPM:
>
>This is not about Newsmax, however you mentioned in your reply something
>that has me
>concerned about how our government and the news media are presenting
certain
>concerns.
>You mentioned having a gas mask as your guard against biological warfare.
>Have you taken a good look at Hazmat workers?  Yes they have gas mask, but
>they are also clothed in special
>gear.  Why?  Because one our skin is a living, breathing organism that
>absorbs things and two  there are a lot of, and I mean a lot of chemicals
>out there that are harmful and deadly, that can enter the body through the
>skin.  Some that are completely odorless, colorless etc.
>
>I know because we were exposed to at least 164 known chemicals that cause
>all kinds of problems from death to birth defects, from genetic mutations
to
>chronic illness, when the BASF plant exploded on our community.  Not
>everyone dies, but everyone is effected in varying degrees.  The severity
>can be determined by how informed you are about these chemicals and
>preventative health measures that can help minimize the effects.
>
>My partner and I use to go around to different communities, schools,
council
>meetings etc. and inform folks as much as we could on ways to enhance the
>immune system.  We were only two using our own funds for copies etc.  Some
>were grateful, however some where not because as we learn, it is always the
>consumers fault that they suffer from these maladies.  Chemicals don't harm
>us they "make things better."  The government could never find any causal
>effects from chemicals despite the evidence and our nations top
>environmental lawyers always settle so no precedence is set.
>
>I'm sorry, I digress.  My main point is that the government and news media
>should be doing more to talk about specific natural products one can use to
>enhance one's immune system which in the long run will be the best defense
>against any biological attack.  We must stop the fear and panic.  Stop
being
>reactionary and be proactive.  We can't hide from biological warfare behind
>gas mask even they must come off at some point, but we can build our
systems
>to resist/minimize it's effects.  I have a large family.  I know 98% can't
>afford a gas mask, but they can afford a clove of garlic or bunch of
>sage.NALSETEY
>CLICK HERE to search
>600,000 scholarships!
>http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM
>---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

I agree with several of your comments related to the way the gov seems to
down
>play the effects of many environmental chemicals that we are exposed to.

It is there best interest not to find such possible untoward effects from
such,
I suppose. The gas mask would only be effective in a very limited group of
chemical exposures, and would be of very little or not effective against a
bio attack. Taking supplements to enhance the immune system is a good
start, but that will only take you so far.

When taking such compounds, it is very prudent to make sure that the person
does not have a lyphoproliferative disease to  start with. If the immune
system is
stimulated it can exacerbate some blood diseases like leukemia, and
lymphoma,
or in some cases...help create these conditions. There is a delicate balance
that must be maintained by your bodies first line defence system.

So this aspect of immune stimulation, makes it difficult to stimulate it
effectively
and safely. Even vaccinations for smallpox and other pathogens... there
will be a
small subset of folks that will manifest very bad side effects, that can
leave
permanent damage, or even bring death. I stopped taking the flu shots after
reading the facts notice and waiver sheet, associated with public
disclosure.

The Anthrax vaccine that the military currently uses, has been shown to have
more than the usual amount of bad side effects, but if it could keep one
alive
in the event of forced exposure, then I suppose the risk would be warranted.
We all may be facing difficult decisions and hard times ahead, related to
this topics of continued danger to the US?

It is important IMO, to take a good quality multiple vitamins and mineral
supplement
each day and a strong antioxidant, such as Microhydrin, and this is a safe
way to
keep your body in good shape. Without the cofactors that your body needs,
your food will
not be unutilized to it's full potential to maintain your system's repair
mechanisms.
It would be a good idea to buy some cheap dust masks at the hardware store,
because
these are cheap, and they would give a high level of protection against
respiratory pathogens.

The problem with this type of precaution is, that one must have prior
knowledge of the
risk of possible exposure to effectively use any type of protective device,
and the odds
are, that such advance warning would be rare. This means that there is very
little that we
really can do against such possible terrorist bio-attacks.

JPM






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Different versions of Binladins speech. CNN censorship?

http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/obl_text.html

New Zealand Herald
10-8By Geoff Cumming
-1

Vital evidence in the fight against organised crime and terrorism may be
lost forever in the rubble of the World Trade Center. And with millions of
dollars in gold bars and art treasures also buried in the wreckage, New
York City officials are worried about the foothold gained by organised
crime in the cleanup.

Beneath the haunting presence of thousands presumed dead, Ground Zero is
rich with documents, guns and other evidence collected by the CIA and US
Secret Service. Both agencies had offices in the twin towers destroyed by
suicide plane attacks on September 11. US Customs and the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms suffered similar losses.

Somewhere in the rubble are safes containing guns, heroin, cocaine and
Ecstasy - evidence from crimes that now may never be prosecuted. The CIA
ordered the World Trade Center Seven building surrounded by FBI agents
shortly after it collapsed. Since then, they have been searching for
computers and a safe filled with classified documents. Rescue workers have
found weapons belonging to the Secret Service. Still buried are detailed
contingency plans for presidential motorcades in New York and files on
investigations that include the closely guarded names of informants in
organised crime and terrorism.

Tax investigators based in World Trade Center building Six have lost
countless confidential documents. The Securities and Exchange Commission
lost files on several hundred cases. Government agents are watching
construction workers employed in the removal through binoculars as they
search. Meanwhile, a steel "cross" found in the rubble has been adopted by
rescue workers as a symbol of faith. The 6m cross, which fell intact from
one of the twin towers, was found early in the search for survivors.

Rescue workers have since made pilgrimages to pray or meditate near it,
some etching messages on the metal. This week, workers hoisted the cross
atop a 12m-high foundation and stood quietly as it was blessed with holy
water. Few other identifiable items have been recovered from the wreckage.
But with such valuable and sensitive items buried, ABC News reported
growing concern at the presence of trucking firms and cleanup workers with
organised crime connections. Authorities are investigating claims that
Mob-connected truckers stole tonnes of scrap metal instead of taking it to
a landfill site for inspection.

Most workers at the site are provided by the Carpenters' Union Local 608,
which has longstanding ties to the Genovese crime family. Some workers have
allegedly been forced to pay kickbacks to Mob-connected union officials in
order to keep working. Investigators say the Mob slipped in quickly in the
early, frantic days. To the Mafia, the scene of devastation and worldwide
shock instantly spelled "money."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=220998&thesection=news&thesub\
section=world

JPM

Heard on K-LOVE radio in their newscast this morning that the 2 guys in FLA
with Anthrax both worked for the Sun tabloid, and now there's an
investigation into a Sudanese intern who was in their office over the summer.

From what i understand Anthrax is not that easy to spread around.  Also on
an herbal list we have some indications that garlic oil and rosemary may
help the immune system stand up against it -- hope we don't have to try.

As for our little family, we're holding up ok.  Fortunately i have this
excellent teaching job here in Cheyenne now and that keeps my life worthwhile.

At 09:31 PM 10/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi MR... hope that all is well with you and yours... thanks for clearing
>that issue. I honestly didn't
>know about the credibility or the NMax site, but I know that their seems to
>be some good recourse
>there, or at least, interesting styles of reporting. It is nice to know
>that they are credible for the most
>part. They do seem to work at it, and Don, hopefully you weren't offended
>by my reply, it wasn't meant
>to be smarty or anything... I was just playing devils advocate I suppose. I
>really didn't know about the
>credibility of the site. Some many terms are very relative.
>
>Keep you eyes open for retaliations for this first assault on the Taliban.
>It could get bad, but I hope not...
>we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
>extra canisters just in case.
>Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
>naturally occurring.
>There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
>Canada, a while back, and
>it was closed off to the public indefinitely.
>
>A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
>case was one of the rare natural
>events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
>have been contaminated.
>We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
>last biblical prophesies.
>Only time will tell......
>
>JPM
>
>
-- Michael Riversong **
Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

At 07:57 AM 10/09/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Heard on K-LOVE radio in their newscast this morning that the 2 guys in FLA
>with Anthrax both worked for the Sun tabloid, and now there's an
>investigation into a Sudanese intern who was in their office over the summer.
>
> >From what i understand Anthrax is not that easy to spread around.  Also on
>an herbal list we have some indications that garlic oil and rosemary may
>help the immune system stand up against it -- hope we don't have to try.
>
>As for our little family, we're holding up ok.  Fortunately i have this
>excellent teaching job here in Cheyenne now and that keeps my life worthwhile.

DHEA 25-50mg in the morning, is also an immune system booster, and for
adults only....
a 3mg Melatonin tablet each night about 30min-1hr before bedtime will do as
much as
anything to keep your immune system tuned up, as well as contribute to a
restful nights
sleep. I take one each night as a sleep aid, and it is the strongest
natural antioxidant that
is endogenous to the human body. Melatonin protects the body from many
types of neuro
toxicity, and oxidative damage. It is truely natures wonder drug, and here
in the US it is
cheap and readily obtained from the local pharmacy, health supplement
stores, and even Walmart.
Do a pub med search on it an see how many types of damage that it has been
documented
to protect against..... it is truely amazing, IMO. Garlic never hurts
anything either, and is good
for the cardiovascular system. It is interesting that Melatonin has been
recently been proven to
greatly reduce the chance of epileptic seisure also. It is good to here
that your family is doing
ok Micheal, hopefully none of us will have to deal with Anthrax or any
other bio-weapons attack.

JPM

See ===>>>JSF 10/10/01

Michael Riversong wrote:
>
> Heard on K-LOVE radio in their newscast this morning that the 2 guys in FLA
> with Anthrax both worked for the Sun tabloid, and now there's an
> investigation into a Sudanese intern who was in their office over the summer.
>
> >From what i understand Anthrax is not that easy to spread around.  Also on
> an herbal list we have some indications that garlic oil and rosemary may
> help the immune system stand up against it -- hope we don't have to try.
>
> As for our little family, we're holding up ok.  Fortunately i have this
> excellent teaching job here in Cheyenne now and that keeps my life worthwhile.
>
> At 09:31 PM 10/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Hi MR... hope that all is well with you and yours... thanks for clearing
> >that issue. I honestly didn't
> >know about the credibility or the NMax site, but I know that their seems to
> >be some good recourse
> >there, or at least, interesting styles of reporting. It is nice to know
> >that they are credible for the most
> >part. They do seem to work at it, and Don, hopefully you weren't offended
> >by my reply, it wasn't meant
> >to be smarty or anything... I was just playing devils advocate I suppose. I
> >really didn't know about the
> >credibility of the site. Some many terms are very relative.
> >
> >Keep you eyes open for retaliations for this first assault on the Taliban.
> >It could get bad, but I hope not...

===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Hmmmnnn.  Just heard on news tonight, 24 leaders and 1200
men of the Taliban have defected.  So much for their Sooper Loyalty, grin until
death, etc. etc.

> >we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
> >extra canisters just in case.

===>>>JSF 10/10/01  Many decades ago, I recall hearing that in WW III, the
living
will envy the dead.  Seemed very level headed.  Still does.  Since we are 72 ...

> >Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
> >naturally occurring.

===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Talk show host this A.M.: Last case was many decades ago. 
Now
two, in same building.  Not *likely* to be natural.

> >There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
> >Canada, a while back, and
> >it was closed off to the public indefinitely.

===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Also today, read in DISCOVER mag, that once a place is
infected,
the spores can stay in the ground for many *generations*.

> >
> >A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
> >case was one of the rare natural
> >events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
> >have been contaminated.
> >We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
> >last biblical prophesies.
> >Only time will tell......

===>>>JSF 10/10/01 YF and I have been reading the Left Behind series, written by
a minister and a writer, all about their ideas what would happen in our present
civilization, if the prophesy were to come true.  Riveting.  Believable.

Jim Farrer


> >
> >JPM
> >
> >
> -- Michael Riversong **
> Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **
> RivEdu@... ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong
>
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>
>===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Hmmmnnn.  Just heard on news tonight, 24 leaders and 1200
>men of the Taliban have defected.  So much for their Sooper Loyalty, grin
>until
>death, etc. etc.
>
> > >we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and some
> > >extra canisters just in case.
>
>===>>>JSF 10/10/01  Many decades ago, I recall hearing that in WW III, the
>living
>will envy the dead.  Seemed very level headed.  Still does.  Since we are
>72 ...
>
> > >Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully it was
> > >naturally occurring.
>
>===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Talk show host this A.M.: Last case was many decades
>ago.  Now
>two, in same building.  Not *likely* to be natural.
>
> > >There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
> > >Canada, a while back, and
> > >it was closed off to the public indefinitely.
>
>===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Also today, read in DISCOVER mag, that once a place is
>infected,
>the spores can stay in the ground for many *generations*.
>
> > >
> > >A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
> > >case was one of the rare natural
> > >events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek could
> > >have been contaminated.
> > >We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some of the
> > >last biblical prophesies.
> > >Only time will tell......
>
>===>>>JSF 10/10/01 YF and I have been reading the Left Behind series,
>written by
>a minister and a writer, all about their ideas what would happen in our
>present
>civilization, if the prophesy were to come true.  Riveting.  Believable.
>
>Jim Farrer

The verdict on the Anthrax is.... it is manmade! It doesn't match anything
in the data base,
and it could have been mailed from Iowa... is the latest rumor on the
subject. Hopefully,
it is not antibiotic resistant. Oh God... I hope that don't have smallpox!!!

JPM

At 08:29 AM 10/10/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> >
> >===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Hmmmnnn.  Just heard on news tonight, 24 leaders and 1200
> >men of the Taliban have defected.  So much for their Sooper Loyalty, grin
> >until
> >death, etc. etc.
> >
> > > >we all have to live ours lives anyway, but I did get a gas mask, and
> some
> > > >extra canisters just in case.
> >
> >===>>>JSF 10/10/01  Many decades ago, I recall hearing that in WW III, the
> >living
> >will envy the dead.  Seemed very level headed.  Still does.  Since we are
> >72 ...
> >
> > > >Nobody has solved the Anthrax source yet, I suppose, but hopefully
> it was
> > > >naturally occurring.
> >
> >===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Talk show host this A.M.: Last case was many decades
> >ago.  Now
> >two, in same building.  Not *likely* to be natural.
> >
> > > >There was a natural outbreak of Anthrax in one of the national parks in
> > > >Canada, a while back, and
> > > >it was closed off to the public indefinitely.
> >
> >===>>>JSF 10/10/01 Also today, read in DISCOVER mag, that once a place is
> >infected,
> >the spores can stay in the ground for many *generations*.
> >
> > > >
> > > >A large number of buffalo died as a result... so hopefully this Florida
> > > >case was one of the rare natural
> > > >events that do occur in the wild. It was first thought that a creek
> could
> > > >have been contaminated.
> > > >We are living in very spooky times, and may be on the edge of some
> of the
> > > >last biblical prophesies.
> > > >Only time will tell......
> >
> >===>>>JSF 10/10/01 YF and I have been reading the Left Behind series,
> >written by
> >a minister and a writer, all about their ideas what would happen in our
> >present
> >civilization, if the prophesy were to come true.  Riveting.  Believable.
> >
> >Jim Farrer
>
>The verdict on the Anthrax is.... it is manmade! It doesn't match anything
>in the data base,
>and it could have been mailed from Iowa... is the latest rumor on the
>subject. Hopefully,

****Correction**** The strain seems to match what was produced in a lab in
Iowa,
and could have be distributed widely for research purposes... so it could
have come
from any of many different locations, I suppose. It may have been produced
as long
ago as the '50s. I remember seeing a TV program many years ago, about
terrorists
that were attempting to smuggle Anthrax on commercial airlines for
bio-terrorism.
This was a long, long, time ago... so the concept has been around as least
as far
back as the '70s. Even our military was experimenting with such things
during the'60s,
and maybe even during the '50s, so it is a little surprising that it hasn't
happened sooner.

>it is not antibiotic resistant. Oh God... I hope that don't have smallpox!!!
>
>JPM
>
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