August 3rd is better than July 26th, for me.
Wanda

Shawn McKenzie wrote:

> Turns out I was wrong about my schedule. It would be possible to bump
> it out 1 week to August 3rd if that is better for most people. I see
> some logic in leaving it at the proposed date, but bumping it out one
> week might not be too hard to message.
>
> I'm fine either way.
>
>
>> > i have forwarded the message to the STC, SLA, and the CmPros -
>     at this
>> > point I think that it would be good to stick to the proposed date.
>     also,
>> > for those that can not make it this time I am sure that there will
>     be other
>> > events in the near future.
>
>
>


--
Let us overthrow the totems, break the taboos. Or better, let us consider them
cancelled. Coldly, let us be intelligent.
Pierre Trudeau
Canadian politician (1919 - 2000)

I would be in favour of Wednesday.  Lets re-forward that it is
Wednesday - but we need to get it out tomorrow.

Is there anyone that cannot make it Wednesday?

I know a number of VanX people will be going to the VanHpc



--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn McKenzie" <smckenzie23@...> wrote:
>
> On 7/20/06, Nenad Furtula <nenadf@...> wrote:
> >
> >    i have forwarded the message to the STC, SLA, and the CmPros -
at this
> > point I think that it would be good to stick to the proposed date.
  also,
> > for those that can not make it this time I am sure that there will
be other
> > events in the near future.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> I guess we'll get the turnout we get.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: van-dita@yahoogroups.com [mailto:van-dita@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Shawn McKenzie
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:40 AM
To: van-dita@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [van-dita] DITA beginners quest

On 7/20/06, Nenad Furtula <nenadf@...> wrote:

i will send an invite to the STC as well as, to CMPros http://cmprofessionals.org/  and the SLA http://www.sla.org/. Do you have a place in mind where the event will take the place? as well it would be worth while discussing the agenda before we proceed.

Here is what I sent to vanx:


Hello.

I am considering doing a presentation on the Darwin Information Typing
Architecture (DITA XML) format for documentation next Thursday.

Here at Sophos we are in the process of converting our technical
documentation to the DITA format and are using the DITA Open Toolkit
to produce various output formats (HTML, PDF and others).

The talk will cover the basics of the DITA format, using the Open
Toolkit and related plugins and how we have customized the toolkit to
our needs by writing additional plugins.

There is some interest from the newly formed Vancouver DITA users
group. If some of the vanx group is interested we might have enough
people to make it worthwhile.

This would be hosted at the Vancouver Sophos office at 580 Granville
(at Dunsmuir) at 6:00 PM.

Please let me know if you are interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: van-dita@yahoogroups.com [mailto:van-dita@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Shawn McKenzie
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:40 AM
To: van-dita@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [van-dita] DITA beginners quest

On 7/20/06, Nenad Furtula <nenadf@...> wrote:

i will send an invite to the STC as well as, to CMPros http://cmprofessionals.org/  and the SLA http://www.sla.org/. Do you have a place in mind where the event will take the place? as well it would be worth while discussing the agenda before we proceed.

Here is what I sent to vanx:


Hello.

I am considering doing a presentation on the Darwin Information Typing
Architecture (DITA XML) format for documentation next Thursday.

Here at Sophos we are in the process of converting our technical
documentation to the DITA format and are using the DITA Open Toolkit
to produce various output formats (HTML, PDF and others).

The talk will cover the basics of the DITA format, using the Open
Toolkit and related plugins and how we have customized the toolkit to
our needs by writing additional plugins.

There is some interest from the newly formed Vancouver DITA users
group. If some of the vanx group is interested we might have enough
people to make it worthwhile.

This would be hosted at the Vancouver Sophos office at 580 Granville
(at Dunsmuir) at 6:00 PM.

Please let me know if you are interested.

This sounds great!  I whould be able to make it too.


--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn McKenzie" <smckenzie23@...> wrote:
>
> So it seems like we have 3 people interested so far. It would be
nice if we
> could have a few more.
>
> I can send out something to the vanx mailing list. Does anyone have
contact
> with a local STC chapter or any other group that may be interested
in DITA?
>

Bluestream has Dita training if you are looking for a course.
jimt@...


--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "coreytracey@..." <coreytracey@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion in regards to where I can
> learn DITA, the benefits and methodology etc. in Vancouver?
>
> Thanks
>

-----Original Message-----
From: van-dita@yahoogroups.com [mailto:van-dita@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Shawn McKenzie
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:29 AM
To: van-dita@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [van-dita] DITA beginners quest

So it seems like we have 3 people interested so far. It would be nice if we could have a few more.

I can send out something to the vanx mailing list. Does anyone have contact with a local STC chapter or any other group that may be interested in DITA?

I would definetly be interested in learning more about DITA, please
let us know a date and time for the event.

Regards,
Kent

Kent Littler
Content Manager
Alea Software Ltd.
e:kent.littler@...
t:604-685-3719 ext.6222

--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Nenad Furtula" <nenadf@...> wrote:
>
> Shawn,
>
> this sounds like a great idea, could you give me a call on 604 724-
4325.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -nenad
>
> Nenad Furtula
> VP Product Management
> Bluestream Database Software Corp.
> office:   604 669-4469 x. 102
> mobile: 604 724-4325
> www.bluestream.com
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: van-dita@yahoogroups.com [mailto:van-dita@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Shawn McKenzie
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM
>   To: van-dita@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [van-dita] DITA beginners quest
>
>
>   If there is enough interest I wouldn't mind giving a
presentation on our
> recent deployment of DITA here at Sophos, Vancouver. I am in the
process of
> putting together a presentation for our UK office the week of Aug
7th-11th.
> I would like to have a run-through the week before.
>
>   If enough people are interested we could host Vancouver DITA
user's group
> meeting here in our building (Granville and Dunsmuir) the week of
July
> 31st-Aug 4th.
>
>   I could go over how we are using DITA, the benefits we have seen,
> customizations and plugins we have written, authoring environment,
and show
> of our output of both online and DPF content.
>
>   Let me know if there is interest and I can set it up.
>
>   In the meantime, I can suggest "Introduction to DITA: A User
Guide to the
> Darwin Information Typing Architecture" by Jennifer Linton and
Kylene
> Bruski. This book is a very good reference.
>
>
>
>
>   On 7/18/06, coreytracey@... <coreytracey@...> wrote:
>     Hi all:
>
>     I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion in regards to where
I can
>     learn DITA, the benefits and methodology etc. in Vancouver?
>
>     Thanks
>

-----Original Message-----
From: van-dita@yahoogroups.com [mailto:van-dita@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Shawn McKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM
To: van-dita@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [van-dita] DITA beginners quest

If there is enough interest I wouldn't mind giving a presentation on our recent deployment of DITA here at Sophos, Vancouver. I am in the process of putting together a presentation for our UK office the week of Aug 7th-11th. I would like to have a run-through the week before.

If enough people are interested we could host Vancouver DITA user's group meeting here in our building (Granville and Dunsmuir) the week of July 31st-Aug 4th.

I could go over how we are using DITA, the benefits we have seen, customizations and plugins we have written, authoring environment, and show of our output of both online and DPF content.

Let me know if there is interest and I can set it up.

In the meantime, I can suggest "Introduction to DITA: A User Guide to the Darwin Information Typing Architecture" by Jennifer Linton and Kylene Bruski. This book is a very good reference.

On 7/18/06, coreytracey@... <coreytracey@...> wrote:

Hi all:

I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion in regards to where I can
learn DITA, the benefits and methodology etc. in Vancouver?

Thanks

That's what I thought (that the conrefs, preprocessing, etc wouldn't
carry through).  What kind of overrides did you need to do, and would
you be willing to share your ditaview_shell.xsl?  The TOC issue isn't
a big one, as we'll be using embedded IE in a custom help viewer,
which would be able to read the .ditamaps and build a TOC from there.
  But we do want to make use of the conrefs.

One of the reasons we're considering deploying the XML source files,
rather than a transformed output, is as a justification for moving
over to DITA-based authoring.  We have a fair bit of existing content
to  move over from our current HTML-based authoring, and if our output
is going to be HTML, there's no real justification from a
project-level to undertake the effort (as fantastic as it would be
from an authoring level).  We'd also like to employ on-the-fly
filtering of our help content and TOC, and using an XML-based format
makes that much simpler.

--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn McKenzie" <smckenzie23@...> wrote:
>
> Sure.
>
> If you just have some stand-alone topics that you want to view you
can just
> add something like:
>
> <?xml-stylesheet href="ditaview_shell.xsl" type="text/xsl"?>
>
> This is how we get quick previews of our documentation from our XML
editor.
>
> Your ditaview_shell.xsl should import dita2xhtml.xsl & you can then
do some
> overrides and such. But I don't think you will be all that happy
with it.
> You won't have the advantage of the preprocess so you won't get much
of what
> makes dita good: generated toc, conditional processing, resolved
conrefs,
> and on and on.
>
> Why are you against running a build and deploying the output?
>
>
> On 7/18/06, Darren James Harkness <solas@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Has anyone tried displaying DITA source files (via an XLS) in
Internet
> > Explorer? We are looking at migrating to DITA, but would like to
> > deploy the XML files, rather than transform them to HTML first.
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi all:

I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion in regards to where I can
learn DITA, the benefits and methodology etc. in Vancouver?

Thanks

We sell an Xml Cms that does on the fly transformations - however the
CMS does it.  We also use Dita internally.

Have a look at:

http://www.kbrix.com/xdbres/FolderView.do?o=/Content/sample/dita

If you want more info contact me at jimt@...


--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Darren James Harkness" <solas@...>
wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried displaying DITA source files (via an XLS) in Internet
> Explorer?  We are looking at migrating to DITA, but would like to
> deploy the XML files, rather than transform them to HTML first.
>

Has anyone tried displaying DITA source files (via an XLS) in Internet
Explorer?  We are looking at migrating to DITA, but would like to
deploy the XML files, rather than transform them to HTML first.

One outcome would be that if you were linking from within XSL you
would have to use the execute to interpret the XPointer XPath on the
fly. ConRef and XRef are identity based.  XRef is more of a link.
Conrefs seem to be used for inline inclusion.  As well for HTML and FO
transformation you could resolve an XPointer based XRef to an identity
based HTML <a href at transform time.


--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Marijan Madunic"
<Marijan.Madunic@...> wrote:
>
> I think it is feasible. But a point first.
>
> - a conref datatype is CDATA not IDREF
>
> So this would mean you could use XLink and XPointer but it comes down
> to vendor support. Can an editor like XMetal or a CMS support it?
>
> I'm starting to think that because there isn't a way in DTD to define
> a method between docs and portions of, that it is up to the
> individual and vendors to do as they please. So if a company wanted
> to use XLink and XPointer as a method to be used in XRef and ConRef
> then so be it, as long as their tools support it. If not then the
> proverbial paddle and creek.
>
> Marijan Madunic
>
> --- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Storer" <tstorer@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi! Just joined.
> >
> > So are you saying you want to implement XLink and XPointer rather
> than
> > conref and xref? Is that feasible?
> >
> > - Tom
> >
> > --- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Marijan Madunic"
> > <Marijan.Madunic@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To get things started off.
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > I've been speaking with few people on the subject of conref/xref
> and
> > > just wanted to post my concern and thoughts on it.
> > >
> > > Why they didn't use XLink and XPointer?
> > > Why only to an @id? (The examples I've seen only show this)
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > > XLink - points to a doc
> > > XPointer - points inside a doc and can be conditional
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > If these two specs were used it would be simple enough to reuse
> any
> > > part of a document. Now I know this might be hard for vendors to
> > > implement but it can be done. A bonus would be that xref and
> conref
> > > would actually be the same element and the author would be able
> to
> > > decide whether the link or reusable object is referenced (as in
> xref)
> > > or inline (as in conref).
> > >
> > > here is a sample:
> > > href="http://www.example.com/cdlist.xml#id('rock').child(5,item)"
> > >
> > > It is basically a combination of your standard href with anchor
> and
> > > XPath. So technically you could use functions and the new if then
> > > else within your reference if XPath 2 is support. Making it more
> > > powerful and useful than conref and xref.
> > >
> > > For a quick overview http://www.w3schools.com/xlink/default.asp
> > >
> >
>

I think it is feasible. But a point first.

- a conref datatype is CDATA not IDREF

So this would mean you could use XLink and XPointer but it comes down
to vendor support. Can an editor like XMetal or a CMS support it?

I'm starting to think that because there isn't a way in DTD to define
a method between docs and portions of, that it is up to the
individual and vendors to do as they please. So if a company wanted
to use XLink and XPointer as a method to be used in XRef and ConRef
then so be it, as long as their tools support it. If not then the
proverbial paddle and creek.

Marijan Madunic

--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Storer" <tstorer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi! Just joined.
>
> So are you saying you want to implement XLink and XPointer rather
than
> conref and xref? Is that feasible?
>
> - Tom
>
> --- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Marijan Madunic"
> <Marijan.Madunic@> wrote:
> >
> > To get things started off.
> > ------------------------
> >
> > I've been speaking with few people on the subject of conref/xref
and
> > just wanted to post my concern and thoughts on it.
> >
> > Why they didn't use XLink and XPointer?
> > Why only to an @id? (The examples I've seen only show this)
> >
> > ------------------------
> > XLink - points to a doc
> > XPointer - points inside a doc and can be conditional
> > ------------------------
> >
> > If these two specs were used it would be simple enough to reuse
any
> > part of a document. Now I know this might be hard for vendors to
> > implement but it can be done. A bonus would be that xref and
conref
> > would actually be the same element and the author would be able
to
> > decide whether the link or reusable object is referenced (as in
xref)
> > or inline (as in conref).
> >
> > here is a sample:
> > href="http://www.example.com/cdlist.xml#id('rock').child(5,item)"
> >
> > It is basically a combination of your standard href with anchor
and
> > XPath. So technically you could use functions and the new if then
> > else within your reference if XPath 2 is support. Making it more
> > powerful and useful than conref and xref.
> >
> > For a quick overview http://www.w3schools.com/xlink/default.asp
> >
>

Hi! Just joined.

So are you saying you want to implement XLink and XPointer rather than
conref and xref? Is that feasible?

- Tom

--- In van-dita@yahoogroups.com, "Marijan Madunic"
<Marijan.Madunic@...> wrote:
>
> To get things started off.
> ------------------------
>
> I've been speaking with few people on the subject of conref/xref and
> just wanted to post my concern and thoughts on it.
>
> Why they didn't use XLink and XPointer?
> Why only to an @id? (The examples I've seen only show this)
>
> ------------------------
> XLink - points to a doc
> XPointer - points inside a doc and can be conditional
> ------------------------
>
> If these two specs were used it would be simple enough to reuse any
> part of a document. Now I know this might be hard for vendors to
> implement but it can be done. A bonus would be that xref and conref
> would actually be the same element and the author would be able to
> decide whether the link or reusable object is referenced (as in xref)
> or inline (as in conref).
>
> here is a sample:
> href="http://www.example.com/cdlist.xml#id('rock').child(5,item)"
>
> It is basically a combination of your standard href with anchor and
> XPath. So technically you could use functions and the new if then
> else within your reference if XPath 2 is support. Making it more
> powerful and useful than conref and xref.
>
> For a quick overview http://www.w3schools.com/xlink/default.asp
>

To get things started off.
------------------------

I've been speaking with few people on the subject of conref/xref and
just wanted to post my concern and thoughts on it.

Why they didn't use XLink and XPointer?
Why only to an @id? (The examples I've seen only show this)

------------------------
XLink - points to a doc
XPointer - points inside a doc and can be conditional
------------------------

If these two specs were used it would be simple enough to reuse any
part of a document. Now I know this might be hard for vendors to
implement but it can be done. A bonus would be that xref and conref
would actually be the same element and the author would be able to
decide whether the link or reusable object is referenced (as in xref)
or inline (as in conref).

here is a sample:
href="http://www.example.com/cdlist.xml#id('rock').child(5,item)"

It is basically a combination of your standard href with anchor and
XPath. So technically you could use functions and the new if then
else within your reference if XPath 2 is support. Making it more
powerful and useful than conref and xref.

For a quick overview http://www.w3schools.com/xlink/default.asp