... Good, we need some traffic here... ... The problem with the bitwise operators is not that they aren't useful, but that they don't really fit into the...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 1, 2000 6:44 pm
65
... Perhaps I'm missing something about the problem domain. Efficiency would be a requirement anywhere, and (to stretch and twist your analogy) Java's being...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 1, 2000 7:32 pm
66
... Well, there is something in favor of 4 or 8 or 16 bits as a basic unit: it's a power of 2, and that makes addressing make more sense. ~mark...
Mark E. Shoulson
mark@...
Sep 1, 2000 8:10 pm
67
... Been done; read up on Intercal and its extension, tri-Intercal. They have operators in base-3 (and base-4 through base-7; they stopped at 7 because base-8...
Mark E. Shoulson
mark@...
Sep 1, 2000 8:29 pm
68
The *only* reason we use digital computers in the modern world is because digital signal lines are the least noisy (see the work of Clause Shannon.)...
Chris Pressey
house.of.varaq@...
Sep 1, 2000 10:11 pm
69
... I meant to type *Claude* Shannon of course. I think I may have also typed "Alan Church" a long time ago on this list. That is way wrong too, the name's...
Chris Pressey
house.of.varaq@...
Sep 1, 2000 10:16 pm
70
... I have read up on Intercal. I didn't say base-3 logic wasn't possible--I said I wasn't going to do it. yInwIjvaD lI'be' If I got that even close to...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 2, 2000 2:57 am
71
... Base 3 for alien computers is a rather silly concept, if you think about it. We're assuming here that Klingons would understand basically the same idea of ...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 5, 2000 8:08 pm
72
... True. Thus the issue of whether or not we preserve the bitwise operators in var'aq. BTW, does anyone have any alternate coinages for and/or/xor? ... Thus...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 5, 2000 8:16 pm
73
... The thing about var'aq is that it's intended as an application language, not a system programming language, so it doesn't need to (and probably shouldn't,...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 5, 2000 8:28 pm
74
In response to the latest burst of traffic on this group, I've updated the var'aq spec again. -The ~ operator has been given a name (lI'moH -- make it useful),...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 6, 2000 7:16 pm
75
... nIteb isn't a verb; the only thing {nItebmoH} means is "make them fill you". This one we should probably try to fix. Hmm. {mobmoH} is more "make alone",...
Mark E. Shoulson
mark@...
Sep 6, 2000 9:29 pm
76
... Okay. Sounds good. /Brian ===== -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 7, 2000 11:37 pm
77
Okay, fixed the spec, with Mark's suggestion. I've changed the logical operators and also altered the MIME types. The new varaq-engl has been posted (the...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 12:34 am
78
Okay, fixed the spec, with Mark's suggestion. I've changed the logical operators and also altered the MIME types. The new varaq-engl has been posted (the...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 12:34 am
79
A thought I'm kicking around... The ultimate plan for var'aq is to create the first toy language designed with distributed processing built in. Well, here's...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 12:48 am
80
... Maybe it's just me, but it looks like it involves the exact same security risks doesn't it? A receiver can spoof as a proper var'aq interpreter while...
Chris Pressey
house.of.varaq@...
Sep 8, 2000 4:27 am
81
... Hmmm... I think the idea here is that the security risks are somewhat less, but you do still have to worry about someone sending trojan horse data to the...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 4:21 pm
82
A big deal this time -- I've added string support and a minimally useful level of console I/O (particularly the I part). It is probably now possible to...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 4:29 pm
83
This is something of a digression on the subject of packages and var'aq executables. The essential question here is whether we will eventually need a program...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 8, 2000 7:36 pm
84
... How is this easier to implement than something like Perl4's "require"? ... I vote for standard. If we create a toy filesystem to go with the toy language,...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 8, 2000 8:35 pm
85
... You mean [ s/($cmd eq 'disp')/($cmd eq q(cha')/; ], etc.? Write/fix the program you've called ve2vk-smt (or something like that)--that is, the...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 8, 2000 8:50 pm
86
... Well, I have no answers, but I can provide some thoughts of varying degrees of obviousness. No system is perfectly secure. A system is sufficiently secure...
Chris Pressey
house.of.varaq@...
Sep 8, 2000 9:12 pm
87
... If there was a machine-parsable var'aq dictionary, and each language-dependent line in var'aq was similarly set up with a sentinel that could be...
Chris Pressey
house.of.varaq@...
Sep 8, 2000 9:20 pm
88
... Okay, I'll take that and run with it. There's a dictionary (based on current var'aq spec) at: http://maat.oit.umass.edu/~jproctor/varaq/varaq.dict The perl...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 9, 2000 2:34 pm
89
In my drugstore-equivalent-of-DayQuil(tm)-induced stupor this afternoon, I ... (* factorial.vqe *) (* version 0.1 *) (* 10 September, 2000 *) (* Copyright (c)...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 11, 2000 3:13 am
90
... That should say "...get around the extra leading 1 because of the way..." j...
j proctor
jproctor@...
Sep 11, 2000 3:14 am
91
... I shall add this to the distro, if you don't mind. (Next release, though... I've already got 091100 ready to go :-( ) /Brian ===== -- ...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 11, 2000 10:39 pm
92
... No particular difficulties in finding the keywords; you've got it pretty much correct. BTW, if you want some fun, try machine-translating the reference...
Brian Connors
connorbd@...
Sep 11, 2000 10:44 pm
93
New version -- qor, after John Colicos, the first Klingon. Unfortunately, the upload seems to have been scrambled, so you'll get the .zip file tomorrow, but ...
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