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Re: Media Models - Videoblogging? Vidcasting?

--- "B. A. Kozlek" <brad@k...> wrote:
> I think rocketboom probably strattles the divide between these two
> forms. [...] http://systm.org/ is a good example of a vidcast, content
> wise. although is it really a "cast" without any kind of rss-like
mechanism?

Ah, yet another happy wrinkle to pick at. Or, perhaps, another
dimension to help us understand...

There is the assertion that videoblogging is many-to-many, active and
non-linear. That is, it's more than the video, it's the interaction,
the community, the comments and responses. It's individual voices,
personal views, mixing. Okay. Again, the "blog" model, the
"blogosphere" concept.

But what of Akimbo, and PSPcasting, and the like? What of the
subscriptions and feeds and automated downloading and mobile devices?
Is a video entry still a "videoblog" if it's aggregated, downloaded,
taken out into the world, separated from the web? If it's consumed
_like_ a show, an episode, a podcast? Where it's essentially one way,
unless the viewer/subscriber comes back to his computer or launches
his IM or e-mail client on his superduper multimedia device to comment?

Perhaps it is, if the video is Bob's trip to the Farmer's Market or
Lisa's bedside confession. But I admit, something would just feel
different if I was sitting on the crosstown bus with my PSP watching
The Whatever Show with Jane Doe. Would I tell the curious person next
to me that I'm watching a videoblog? Any kind of blog? Or an
internet video show. A vidcast -- with the implications that come
with the "cast" suffix.

And for the record, I love all of videoblogging/vidcasting/whatever,
the daily anchored news reviews and the "new jeans" dances. We are
family, yada yada yada. But definitions are helpful at the very least
for the uninitiated. I keep thinking my mom, at least, would see a
significant difference between Rocketboom and a bloody toilet. <g>

Ryan






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Ryan, I am so totally with you on the distinction between a video blog and a "vidcast". Although I won't try to define the difference, even though I know there...
B. A. Kozlek
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Jun 2, 2005
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... mechanism? Ah, yet another happy wrinkle to pick at. Or, perhaps, another dimension to help us understand... There is the assertion that videoblogging is...
Ryan Ozawa
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Jun 2, 2005
5:59 pm

i agree with josh. i thought most agree with this by now. the only area where I may disagree with josh is in defining the types of videoblog mediums... where I...
Michael Sullivan
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Jun 2, 2005
4:46 am

I'm really excited by this conversation about the future of videoblogging. But I've been totally excited about videoblogging since I found it a few weeks ago....
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Jun 2, 2005
5:26 am

your excitement is very contagious. :) where's your vlog? Zadi http://smashface.com/vlog...
Zadi
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Jun 2, 2005
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:26:16 +0200, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> ... I'm in agreement - almost. Blogs are the medium - they're the medium the world wide...
Andreas Haugstrup
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Jun 2, 2005
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Damn! I take one day off from reading email and you guys go freakin' crazy! So I'm probably a day late and a dollar short here but so what. I just want to...
Michael Verdi
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Jun 2, 2005
4:43 pm

Andrew... I'm glad you brought the wikipedia subject back up, and even happier you took the time to pick apart our current definition. I read it the other day ...
Adam Quirk
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Jun 2, 2005
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Along the lines of what Josh said, I also like to think of Video Blogging as a medium, a new way to express and exchange ideas. People have this white-knuckled...
Josh Leo
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Jun 2, 2005
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... OK, time for more of my two cents. To echo the other Josh, videoblogging is a medium, not a genre (I don't want to dredge up this debate again, but it...
Clint Sharp
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Jun 2, 2005
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i don't think that it's weird to want to define something... I think this helps us to understand our world and how to work within the medium... the medium of...
Zadi
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Jun 2, 2005
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Yes. Exactly. Definition isn't bad when it's adaptable. The definition Andrew posted here applies to every videoblog I've seen. It does not limit videoblogs to...
Adam Quirk
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Jun 2, 2005
6:12 am

I agree with the definition of the medium, and I am not against classification and style, but like it has been said as long as that is a maleable thing then it...
Josh Leo
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Jun 2, 2005
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around the 2/6/05 Adam Quirk mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Re: ... but this might not be fine grained enough :P-) we have film, but within that we...
Adrian Miles
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Jun 3, 2005
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Here's the token Eric Rice-branded "Go make someone a new vlogger today" post. Show them the basic technology so they can: Make a journal. Make a TV show. Make...
Eric Rice
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Jun 2, 2005
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I don't like the 'what is the definition of videoblogging/vloggging/asdkjfgnrgkbrlvirubvsrelfwberfeogging' crap. I don't care. I think trying to classify...
Chris K
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Jun 2, 2005
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Just wanted to add: Good work ROcketboom, you are doing something entertaining, and doing it well. I wish you continued success! Also, a quote from Eric Rice...
Chris K
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Jun 2, 2005
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... oooooh, i talked into my camera for the first time ever last night and posted it... i guess i'm now officially a videoblog!! wa-hey! (not sure if i'll do...
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Jun 2, 2005
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I just have low self-esteem (read: fat/ugly), otherwise I would be in that camera's face all the time. Perhaps I should check into podcasting? ... -- -Chris...
Chris K
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Jun 2, 2005
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The more people who are or who define themselves as fat or ugly or skinny or hair-less or hairy or old or young or Norwegian or African or poor or rich or...
R. Kristiansen
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Jun 2, 2005
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As I've said here before, we're all pretty ugly compared to flamingos. -Adam...
Adam Quirk
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Jun 2, 2005
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Yeah I know what you mean, and I don't want to blame mass media too much for my low self-esteem but dammit, I don't even take my shirt off at the beach what...
Chris K
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Yeah, since I started vlogging, it has made me aware of my uncoordinated speech...among other things which I was blissfully unaware of. I think I prefer to be...
Joan
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Jun 3, 2005
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... Hell, yeah - you could disagree! That's what it's all about. :) I just know how I work best. Everyone works differently. It just seems frustrating for some...
Zadi
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Jun 2, 2005
12:36 pm

Please log on to the Wikipedia and add your definition in there. The Wikipedia is supposed to be the peoples collaborative encyclopeiaxpialadocious. --Steve ...
Steve Garfield
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Jun 2, 2005
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... I disagree. Definitions are the prerequisite to thinking about any topic. If you don't have an idea of what what something is, you can't think about it,...
Andreas Haugstrup
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Jun 2, 2005
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I concur Andreas' thought on the value of the 'defining process' and have preached it here (probably too often). Not only for this primary reasoning, but also...
Michael Sullivan
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Jun 2, 2005
4:07 pm

... I love the contradiction in spending as much space in your email talking about not wanting to define things as people who are collaborating on the...
Clint Sharp
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Jun 2, 2005
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... I think there appears to be pretty good consensus on this, but I think one big confusion is the term "video web log" ... this name implies a "log", such as...
Richard
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Jun 2, 2005
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:44:19 +0200, Richard <richard@...> ... The word comes not from logging what happened to you, but from logging what you found...
Andreas Haugstrup
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