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Hey Videobloggers!

I am running into some problems with a content aggregator, and I could use your
advice. We have been discussing these issues a lot lately—and I have a new one,
that is beginning to make me reconsider my creative commons licensing and would
love to know what you all think.

(I apologize in advance for the length of this email, but I believe this is
important to discuss thoroughly)

This is a different issue than MyHeavy or the others who aggregate without
attribution and/or commercially exploit our work.

This morning I discovered that the work of one of my projects, Alive in Baghdad,
had been posted on the front page of http://ourmedia.com. (I have enclosed a
screen capture for your reference.) Not only did noone request the use of our
work, or inform us of our inclusion on this site, but OurMedia presents our
work in a way that could be significantly harmful to our project.

At first glance, the presentation of our work on OurMedia suggests to the
average viewer that AIB has a political, anti-war stance and that AIB is a part
of OurMedia. In fact this could not be farther from the truth, AiB takes pains
to present a balanced view of life in Iraq, that simply shows the experiences
and feelings of Iraqis, without adding a political tone.

Basically—in representing AIB, OurMedia selected a thumbnail of a woman with a
translated quote underneath that says “May God Curse Bush and all those that
brought him here.” Obviously, this is not a quote that we would choose to have
represent us. We worried about including that segment at all and feared that,
out of context, separate from our other work, it could cause harm to the public
face of the project, bring flamers, etc. However, inside of the entire episode,
we felt it was acceptable and was reflective of the situation in Iraq. We care
deeply about building a project that gives voice to Iraqi citizens—not towards
pushing a political agenda. Such a posting can damage the perceptions of Alive
in Baghdad and our future opportunities.

Additionally, OurMedia indicates that we are a member of their organization—i.e.
you'll notice to the right of the thumbnail, it lists a link titled "member
page" that links to AliveinBaghdad.org. AiB is not, nor has it ever been, a
member of Ourmedia. Given our experience, we question whether they actually
have 125,000 members....

OurMedia claims:
1) We're a nonprofit, open-source, volunteer effort to support the
community...Ourmedia is for users, not just consumers.

2) Ourmedia also says at the top of their front page: Do NOT post other
artists' copyrighted works without permission. Ourmedia is about showcasing your
creativity! Register now <http://www.ourmedia.org/user/register> !

Noone from OurMedia has contacted us in any manner—and we are not members of
their community. However, we are well known throughout the "vlogosphere" and
eminently approachable. And yet, they chose to post our video in the most
incendiary manner possible, without our permission.

If this is permissible under our creative commons license, we will need to
reconsider our licensing choices and how freely we allow the distribution of
our videos. It also makes us question the openness supposedly present in the
Videobloggers community. I’d really appreciate your thoughts and advice on this
issue.

Thanks,
Brian




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Hey Videobloggers! I am running into some problems with a content aggregator, and I could use your advice. We have been discussing these issues a lot...
brian conley
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Feb 18, 2007
3:52 am

Hey Brian-- have you tried to contact anyone from Ourmedia. You very well know that JD Lasica runs the site. I am cc'ing him here on this email so he can read...
Jay dedman
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Feb 18, 2007
4:42 am

Hi Brian I'm the guy who performed the mysql import/export of the AliveInBaghdad site from Drupal to Wordpress several months ago. We also emailed briefly...
Markus Sandy
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Feb 18, 2007
5:44 am

... in Baghdad, had been posted on the front page of http://ourmedia.com. (I have enclosed a screen capture for your reference.) Not only did noone request...
Bill Cammack
reelsolidtv
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Feb 18, 2007
2:18 pm

... In this case with Ourmedia and Alive in Baghdad....I agree that the "member page" needs to change. Up until recently, JD only linked to video on...
Jay dedman
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Feb 18, 2007
4:40 pm

... public. ... by the ... Sure. That's just semantics. http://revlog.blogspot.com, which you mention later, does a much better job of making it clear where...
Bill Cammack
reelsolidtv
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Feb 18, 2007
5:54 pm

Great post Bill. I used google cache to see what the ourmedia page was like before it got changed. Because there is no mention of re-vlogging anywhere on ...
Steve Watkins
elbowsofdeath
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Feb 18, 2007
7:06 pm

... yep...you are right on here. No one needs to tell me that I'm being revlogged. BUT if they want to build a real relationship with me...it's nice to be...
Jay dedman
kinshasa2000
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Feb 18, 2007
7:59 pm

I think what's needed is a new CC license that says "you can freely make copies, as long as you show me in a positive light". We could get Napoleon the pig to...
Andreas Haugstrup Ped...
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Feb 18, 2007
9:06 pm

... I just linked to you without emailing you... because I don't care! :D ...
Bill Cammack
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Feb 19, 2007
2:26 pm

I understand Brian's objection to how his AIB has been "revlogged" as if he was part of OurMedia and with a misleading political slant given his video via...
humancloner1997
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Feb 19, 2007
12:39 am

This is a very interesting thread to me in that I am a member of Our Media yet have found myself taking issue with the moderators of the site many times in the...
Darren Winkler Darren...
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Feb 19, 2007
1:21 am

One thing about blogging is that you can present your case - and I think AiB should do so - using the blogtools available. A great chance to speak to their...
Jan McLaughlin
thefauxpress
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Feb 19, 2007
1:52 am

Greetings, Interesting stuff. Heres my personal take on this: Using Creative Commons means that people certainly dont have any obligation to contact you first...
Steve Watkins
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Feb 18, 2007
2:56 pm
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