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> Why do written languages make it inaccessible? Am I missing
something?

Good question, and one that is asked by most people out there.

Answer is threefold:

a) Traditionally mainstream education has been inaccessible to Deaf
people, due to plain lack of communication / access .. therefore
they have missed out on the usual educational opportunties;

b) To process written language in your head, you have to possess
something called an auditory memory. As you are reading this, you
are to some degree saying the words in your brain (even though not
out loud). Deaf people (not the same as hard of hearing or deafened
people) frequently do not have an auditory memory, as they have not
heard speech being processed. Written language is not quite as
visual as people assume it is.

It is possible for Deaf people to have a command over English etc
(btw I'm Deaf), but when this happens language is being processed in
another way. Secondly, not all Deaf people are the same.

I don't want to bore people with the details. If you are
interested, there's some MRI scans online (visual) that'll give you
an idea what I'm talking about:
http://bdl.uoregon.edu/Galleries/gallery.html

c) Sign languages (and they are different) often are Deaf people's
first language. As with any spoken language, people prefer to
converse in their native / mother tongue, as its easier. Thus, Deaf
people and some hearing people (whose parents were Deaf) like to
converse in their own sign language, especially for such things as
journals etc.

Also, Deaf people want more information available in sign, because
it is the method that is most accessible to them. It is their
language.

Anyone who has experience of using different languages should have
an inkling of what I'm talking about.


> Are you implying "talking hands" instead of "talking heads"?

Well talking hands, facial expressions, body movement, placement
etc. Sign isn't just about your hands, although it might look like
it to an outsider. :)

> Bandwidth and storage are, as Adrian eloquently called
them, "contraints", but from both the art and technology perspective
we can work around them. Bandwidth and storage will also be getting
cheaper every year.

Cool - that is positive news.


> <promo-mode>That's what http://www.vblogcentral.com is trying to
do.</promo-mode> Many of us think this type of approach makes sense.

Excellent. I will take a look at it.

Some of this stuff, needs to be taken out to the Deaf community, and
I am talking about internationally. It potentially is a large
market / customer base.

Alison








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Hiya I've just joined this group, following a link from Marc Canter's blog. Thanks Marc. I am so pleased that this group is in existence. I live in the UK,...
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... Alison and Rob welcome. this is exciting. a lot of talk in this discussion group will be crazy technical but dont worry. we talk about everything. our goal...
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... internet ... Blog - yes Camera - albeit a crap poor qualitiy Logitech webcam Computer - obviously! Pretty fast internet connection - I have a 500MB...
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... Why do written languages make it inaccessible? Am I missing something? I can see how blind people would like audio blogs or the audio track of a video...
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... something? Good question, and one that is asked by most people out there. Answer is threefold: a) Traditionally mainstream education has been inaccessible...
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... <snip> ... Very interesting. Thanks for explaining it to me/us. ... I understand. One of the subjects of discussion on this list (and elsewhere) is what...
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iSight and video communication is becoming quite popular among the deaf community. Every computer at the computer lab at Gaulladet Univerisity has a webcam....
Eli Chapman
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Aug 9, 2004
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Re one to one convo ... yep it will always exist, just like hearing people need a voice phone. There's web video chats too. Blogging, I see more as a medium...
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... yes. we want to brainstorm just like this. chatting is goofy to me. just you said...making a video archives moments and ideas. the internet can the really...
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... To get started.. I think we need some tips on what software to use to create vblogs, what format is the best to use? i.e. quicktime, windows media or...
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Hello everyone, I'm new to the group... I just contacted the people at archive.org and asked them to start archiving video blogs... Here is the response I got:...
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Okay, Rob...youre like our test case. i dont think we've had to talk a new person through the process of videoblogging before with just email. maybe I need to...
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Tuesday brings another vidblog: House Lady, pt.1 It's the first part of some video I took a few years ago of a woman who unexpectedly showed up at my house one...
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... That's a brilliant movie! I love it. Peter...
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Evenin', Yet another signing Brit here... ... I'm not surprised, Eli. I've used iSight and iChat with people from New York and as far as Australia, and the...
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... we defintely care. the video looks so clear and smooth. amazing. did you find the process difficult? tell us how you did it. (we all do it a little...
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Looked good Ben (focus, framing, etc.). Keep posting. I'll send your links to friends in the deaf community. ... from ... slow ... one ... chatting...
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Ben, one hearing friend watched and understood, a deaf friend didn't. She said you're speaking in different language (she speaks ASL, I guess you speak...
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... there's also an Australian Sign Language called Auslan. Different again. Deaf sign is much like other languages, thye're different. They like vocal...
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Hi! Irina recommended that I join this group because you are the most knowledgable videoblogging info source around. Thanks! I am a complete video novice...
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Welcome! Most of your starting out questions/answers can be found here: < http://freevlog.org> Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://evilvlog.com ...
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... welcome erica. As Schlomo said, a good place to start is freevlog.org. Once yoou get started, just ask any questions you have. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com ...
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what erica didnt tell you is that she races cars! professionally! that means she's pretty and she drives fast ... -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text...
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I drive fast too Irina, but I aint pretty......but I do have a nice looking butt....seriously....ask anyone.... Heath hhtp://batmangeek.com ... the most ... ...
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Welcome indeed! ask away! Hopefully you will be using a PC instead of one of those "other" machines..... ;) Heath http://batmangeek.com ... most ... can ......
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I am on a PC, Heath! Schlomo & Jay, Thanks for the link to freevlog, that was helpful! One of the tutorial steps is down though, and I think its the one that I...
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erica, send them the link to your videos from PNN! ... -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Irina
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Okay, here you go: http://horsepowerandheels.com/News/2007/theshow.htm So far, that is the preview for the show. They are still working on the first few...
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Looks like a fun show. :) I did a few episodes @ Raceway Park with friends that build and race musclecars. I'll be on the lookout for when your show gets...
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You are a gem. What an Unselfish reason to get involved in video blogging. You might want to take this idea to the guys that did goog411 or Viddler or Mogulus...
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