I thought it was an advert for a competition involving Seagate, not
just a banner promoting the event itself?

Theres an interesting array of possible uses of copyrighted material
without permission, that some people will argue should be allowed, and
that make the inflexibility of copyright seem very silly and creative
commons less silly, though still not perfect. Ive not seen adverts
feature in this grey area before, they are pretty much the most
commercial use of material that someone could make, I would have thought.

Its not crime of the century and there are certainly companies doing
things which are potentially much more harmful/unfair to creators than
this incident, but its still enough to instill a sense of injustice in
some people, and for people to want to see a resolution, and groan &
moan at podtechs responses so far.

Im struggling even to find much to speculate about why there hasnt
been an amicable solution already. Either the price is considered
wrong, or podtech belive they have the rights to photographs taken at
the event, or they thought they already had some other deal, or they
dont think it is his photo? Whatever, I would think its far easier for
this situation to be happily resolved than it will be to get a result
with wider issues of creators getting a fair share of pie in the world
of online video, a battle thats far more daunting.

Cheers

Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
<groups-yahoo-com@...> wrote:
>
> Well... I'm glad people haven't resorted to name calling.
>
> Got to say, while I love podtech I'm a little disapointed at their
> response. The accussations about lan presenting a one sided story...
> is it his responsibility to present both sides? Is that even possible?
> And Scoble's negative conjecture about "loosing money on the
> vloggies"... is an unecissary and unwarranted resentful remark toward
> the whole community which reflects poorly on podtech. It is perhaps
> the thing that disturbs me most about this. Very disapointing. As
> for bringing up deaths in related people's families... very
> unforetunate remark.
>
> I don't know what other side to the story there is... The facts are
> this... Podtech used lan's photo... mistakes happen... noone here
> holds a grudge... but they've had more then enough time to resolve it
> and haven't.
>
> There's no need to drag the whole thing through the mud on either
> side... I just hope podtech and lan can resolve the issue so we can
> leave it quickly and quietly behind. I don't believe it's indicative
> of any larger issue... it's not like some printing company is selling
> prints of dozens of Lan's photos for hundreds of dollars each. It was
> an event to promote videobloggers.
>
> I'd hope because of that context Lan would accept an appology from
> Podtech but that's up to Lan.
>
> On a related note, perhaps this will provide some perspective. Some
> kids from Maryland got their yearbooks recently to find a slew of
> their facebook pictures in them.
>
> How's that for intellectual property theft? How would you have liked
> to recieve a yearbook only to find a bunch of your pictures from your
> blog in it? Makes a somewhat subtle duotone photo in the background
> of a banner seem like a relatively minor incident by comparison. Not
> to diminish the injustice to Lan, but there are worse things that
> could have happened.
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070627/012707.shtml
>
> I hope the matter gets resolved quickly. The only shame here is that
> it hasn't been resolved already and was allowed to drag out.
>
> Group hug? :)
>
> -Mike
> mmeiser.com/blog
> mefeedia.com
>
> On 6/29/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage <quirk@...> wrote:
> > I've been surprised by all the vitriol. I'd have thought that
Podtech would
> > have built up a couple brownie points with y'all by now, what with
their
> > paying you real money, and hosting awards shows for us all to
circle-jerk
> > at.
> >
> > Maybe the lesson here is to get paid First? Once you put
something online,
> > you don't own it anymore than you can claim to own a rainbow
hovering above
> > your house. It's in the public consciousness, part of the firehose of
> > experiences that we all consume, transitory experiences. I think
especially
> > in this case since it's a digital photo of Casey McKinnon, if
anyone has a
> > claim to some money it would be her. If someone else made a
recording of a
> > song I was playing, and royalties were to be paid for that
recording, I'd
> > likely be the one to receive them. But I wouldn't demand them.
Something
> > just sits wrong with me when I hear about people billing other
people for
> > services that they weren't hired to provide.
> >
> > Creative Commons is pretty silly, not as silly as traditional
copyright, but
> > pretty silly.
> >
> > I'm heading out of town now so I won't be able to respond to any
shit slung
> > my way for a while :)
> >
> > P.S. Lan, you're a badass photog, I'm glad I found your work via
this mess.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> > On 6/29/07, tim@... <tim@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can we give this a rest for a week or two and see what happens?
> > >
> > > This group does some very cool things and discovers news worthy
> > > information all the time and this has the two side talking.
> > >
> > > It sounds like something is going to happen and that this will come
> > > to a settlement but I don't think that will happen untill after the
> > > 4th of July so can we pause for a little while, bring it back up
> > > later if we need to and move on to some fun stuff like What iPhone
> > > line is Steve Garfield standing in? or Why is Ask a Ninja going to
> > > Israel ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > Tim Street
> > > Creator/Executive Producer
> > > French Maid TV
> > > The Viral Video of "How To's" by French Maids
> > > http://frenchmaidtv.com
> > > Subscribe for FREE on
> > > <ahref="http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes "
target="_blank">iTunes</a>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Devlon Duthie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm with Carl.
> > > >
> > > > If we want to use crowd 'weight' wouldn't an email/blog/pr frenzy
> > > > be more
> > > > effective?
> > > >
> > > > also, just saying :)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Devlon
> > > >
> > > > http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com |
http://node-64.com/
> > > > blog
> > > > MSN: du.th.ied
> > > > AIM: devlond
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Carl Weaver
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
> > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with
Lan's image?
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
> > > > deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the
infringement) but
> > > > to raise it ourselves lets Podtech off the hook a little bit.
Okay, so
> > > > Lan is paid - why should Podtech cough up the dough then?
> > > >
> > > > I'm just sayin'...
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > Carl Weaver
> > > > Photographer
> > > > http://www.carlweaver.com
> > > > http://www.camerasamurai.com - Photography education, news, tips
> > > > and more
> > > > http://dcmetrostories.com - DC Metro Stories: Stories about the
> > > > people,
> > > > places
> > > > and events in the DC Metro area
> > > > http://nextlifeintheafternoon.com - A Journey Through Thailand
> > > >
> > > > Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no comment....
> > > > >
> > > > > except that i bet we could organize a little crowdfunding effort
> > > > to pay
> > > > lan
> > > > > before podtech does.
> > > > > care for some competition, podtech?
> > > > >
> > > > > lan, how much do we need to raise?
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Adam Quirk
> > Wreck & Salvage
> > 551.208.4644
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > http://wreckandsalvage.com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
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> >
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