Posted: http://www.hummingcrow.com/2008/01/17/a-public-request/
Mailed: info@...

I hereby formally and publicly request that links to my Lumiere videos
be removed from videoblogging.info/lumiere/, where they are listed as
videos by hummingcrow.

I do so for the following reasons:

* I disagree with the Lumiere Manifesto published by Andreas Haugstrup
Pedersen & Brittany Shoot in August 2007 and do not wish to have my
work associated with it by inclusion at videoblogging.info/lumiere/.
While I acknowledge that I could force the exclusion of my work by
deleting it entirely, I prefer to leave the work published as part of
my body of work. I simply wish to disassociate my work from the
videoblogging.info web site. I do not have any interest in engaging in
a conversation or debate about the manifesto.

* While I originally felt no need to request removal of work created
prior to the manifesto's publication, I now wish to assist in removing
any semblance of speculation from the ongoing discussion, as
represented in this message and its quoted posts
(http://tinyurl.com/yopy4s), over whether videos would be removed from
videoblogging.info/lumiere/ if requested.

Sincerely,

Cheryl Colan


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
<solitude@...> wrote:
>
> People are free to delete any video and it won't show up. We have
still
> not received any requests from anyone asking for their links to be
> removed. On the other hand we have received many requests to be
included.
>
> If you want to contact the maintainers of the videoblogging.info
website
> (that'd be Brittany and myself) the e-mail address is right there on
the
> page. If anyone wants to discuss the actual content of the manifesto
and
> why we think a reflexive process is important, you can also e-mail us
> there.
>
> - Andreas
>
> Den 17.01.2008 kl. 13:29 skrev David Meade <meade.dave@...>:
>
> > On Jan 17, 2008 1:07 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> > <solitude@...> wrote:
> >> Any speculation on whether or not the link would be removed would
be
> >> just
> >> that, speculation. Please don't start making up issues that are not
> >> there.
> >
> > Andreas, I'm not making anything up. YOU said that if we didnt want
> > to be included at your site we were free to delete our videos from
> > blip/our site.
> > YOU said (and I quote) "If you want to have your videos removed simply
> > delete them from your website." YOU continued on to expound about the
> > link-oriented nature of the web and reaffirmed again in a second email
> > that if we didn't want to be listed we should delete our hosted video.
> >
> >> No one has ever e-mailed me or Brittany with a request to remove a
> > link from the site.
> >
> > I never said they did. However there seems to be some concern here in
> > this thread and YOU HAVE STATED that if they don't like they are free
> > to delete their video.
> >
> > My concern is hardly speculative, and I'm certainly not making
> > anything up. Please don't start putting word in my mouth.
> >
> >> David, you can rest assured that people would have to stay on the
> >> lumiere
> >> site for over 3 hours before your video would be played.
> >
> > That's hardly the point, Andreas - and I suspect you know that. If it
> > took 45 years for my video to show up on a site whose premise I
> > disagreed with, I as the creator of the creative work should be able
> > to request it not be displayed as "participant".
> >
> >> There is a clear
> >> link to the blogpost where the video came from right below it
(same way
> >> iTunes handles videos).
> >
> > Except iTunes doesn't publish a manifesto stating my beliefs /
> > inspirations as they relate to my creative works.
> >
> >> Are you are outraged on your own behalf or on the behalf of unknown
> >> strangers? Apart from the 3-4 very vocal people in this thread we
have
> >> received many positive comments from people who have created lumiere
> >> videos.
> >
> > I'm sure you have gotten good feedback as well. But what about those
> > 3-4 people expressing concerns here? Are you going to honor their
> > request to not be included, or are you sticking to your "you're free
> > to delete your video" stance?
> >
> > The only thing I was outraged about was your insistent need to default
> > to an insulting and combative tone with people who were just trying to
> > be part of the community. I said I was shocked about your insistence
> > that you would not honor requests for removal (see above where I
> > remind you of what YOU said).
> >
> >
> > - Dave
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> http://www.solitude.dk/
>