It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just
the one's before and after....I was too distracked by the blonde to
notice the overlays.. ;)

Another thing that is funny for me, is that I have always been in
the "ad's arn't so bad" camp....I know it's still the model and for
the most part I don't mind them, I ingnore most of them actually...so
for me to say "ads are wrong here" is to me a bit funny in
itself....I really do think it's because I know Jay and Ryanne and
knowing what "could" have happened and to be honest what
could "still" happen....cause I am sure their names are on some list
now in China....

Heath
http://batmangeek.com
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack"
<billcammack@...> wrote:
>
> Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was "shocked"
enough
> just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me
> that they had been over there AT ALL. I thought they were in the
> sticks somewhere making bread and not using plastic. When I read
the
> link, I was like "THEY could have been caught up in it TOO? :O".
>
> So, yeah, when I went to the video, it had extra import, gloom and
> doom for me because at the time they recorded it, they still could
> have gotten busted. Ads, of course, are going to pull me out of
that
> feeling, so they're certainly unwanted... as far as the "art" of the
> piece.
>
> As far as what kind of ads they might have served on it, that's an
> interesting point. Unless boingboing does a consistently "gloom and
> doom" category of videos, there's no reason for them to have
> specifically targeted videos to specific videos. Like, there's no
> reason that their audience watching THIS video would have been
> different from the audience that watches the rest of their videos,
> whatever they're about. So while I agree that the ads could have
been
> more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I
> don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser "We're going to do
one
> solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your
product
> once in a blue moon".
>
> Bill Cammack
> http://billcammack.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <heathparks@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the "biz" but I can't
help
> > but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is
> > doing "green" or social things, etc...maybe that would have been
a
> > better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the
realility
> > but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's
> > because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but...
> >
> > Heath
> > http://batmangeek.com
> > http://heathparks.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack"
> > <billcammack@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't
know
> > > anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them
specifically,
> > but
> > > that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click
on
> > your
> > > video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay
people's
> > > salaries. There's nothing else going on here.
> > >
> > > It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for
free
> > if
> > > you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an
entire
> > > sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to
ditch
> > > the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to
make
> > > free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free
boingboing
> > > videos with whatever ads you saw on them.
> > >
> > > I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :)
and I
> > > agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me
with
> > > overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come
up, so
> > > as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE
LOWER 3RD
> > > OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the
> > > effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's
the
> > > only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people
are
> > in
> > > the dark the whole time.
> > >
> > > Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion,
but
> > > like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art
that
> > is
> > > poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the
artist
> > > (content creator) intended.
> > >
> > > Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in
the
> > first
> > > place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with
boingboing)
> > >
> > > Bill Cammack
> > > http://billcammack.com
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <heathparks@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing
> > boing
> > > > and others are trying to report things....but....and for me
it's
> > a
> > > > big but....the ads on the video piece from boing boing turned
me
> > > > off....I mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people
being
> > > > detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of
town
> > > > before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat
rockin
> > ad
> > > > for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of
> > > > place....it detracted me from the overall message...maybe
it's
> > just
> > > > me...but.....
> > > >
> > > > Heath
> > > > http://batmangeek.com
> > > > http://heathparks.com
> > > >
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-
proti.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "Last week, eight American citizens were detained in
Beijing
> > for
> > > > > participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the
site
> > of
> > > > > the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two
> > > > videobloggers
> > > > > who documented those protest and guerrilla art
installations
> > > > evaded
> > > > > detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing
time
> > > > about
> > > > > why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it
mattered.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to
us
> > over
> > > > > Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they
> > documented
> > > > in
> > > > > photo and video was the hanging of an "LED throwies" light
> > banner,
> > > > > below, which read "FREE TIBET." We agreed to hold this
Boing
> > Boing
> > > > tv
> > > > > episode until after we received word that they'd safely
left
> > the
> > > > > country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece
> > today."
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>