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Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV   Message List  
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Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack" <billcammack@...>
wrote:
>
> hmm... I had assumed that Heath was talking about overlay ads DURING
> the program. I don't have a problem with pre-roll and post-roll ads
> of whatever type. They just have to be integrated properly with the
> subject matter. I say if pre-roll's going to be peppy and bouncy, get
> it out of the way in the first 3 seconds of the show, before the
> on-air talent sets up the piece.
>
> Then again, unfortunately, some groups don't burn their ads in
> directly. I forget what the name is of the service, but when I did my
> Indy Mogul episode, the plan was to provide two segments that made up
> the entire show, and the commercial in between was added by that
> program/service. I'll assume that's so the ads can be dynamically
> inserted.
>
> Anyway, like I said in the other post, it's the difference between
> doing art for the sake of art and doing art so that people will stop
> by and click on it and give you some ad revenue. hahaha It's only
> going to get worse from here on out! :D
>
>

And maybe it's going to get better.

BoingBoing is able to lure advertising because of the way the internet
has been hyped up. But when the hype dies, and the advertisers move
on to more professional content, maybe there will be room for small
self-sustaining communities to emerge.

I just checked BoingBoing's classified rates. Even the cheapest ad is
ten times beyond my budget. But what if the "directory of wonderful
things" was being run by people who were happy being small? What if
they were satisfied with shoe string budgets and labors of love?

I want a directory where I can pay $20 to promote my latest "art for
the sake of art" video.

But I don't think it's likely to happen until the bubble pops.
There's too much big money being bet on the internet. I mean, how do
you get people excited about DIY social networks when myspace is so
easy and convenient?

So maybe things will get better. Or worse. The bubble could take net
neutrality with it. Let me write the story:

Is anybody reading this old enough to remember YouTube? It was one of
the biggest media sharing sites during "web 2.0", the great democracy
experiment that failed. There was no market for consumer generated
content but those behind the technology believed in "the people".
Unfortunately, their ideals clashed with reality and all their social
networks went under during the time of the food riots. But wait, this
story has a happy ending! Nearly all of our modern day technology
depends on what was once called "The Internet". Let's take a moment
to tip our ear pieces to those idealistic dreamers who made it all
possible. If it wasn't for them, we would not have many of the
conveniences we now take for granted, such as television on our
telephones. We chuckle at the revolutionary language they used but
there can be no doubt: they were pioneers who made the world a better
place.

-John Totalvom.





Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:42 pm

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http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html "Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan...
Rupert
aitia
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Aug 25, 2008
8:20 pm

Thanks for the link. So interesting. I'm glad they were able to avoid detention....
Bill Cammack
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Aug 25, 2008
10:39 pm

hey Jay and Ryanne    I just watched your video bout Beijing in Boing ´n Tv   you look worried and scared...heheh you guys are really brave to do that... ...
John Cardenas
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Aug 26, 2008
3:31 am

I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report things....but....and for me it's a big but....the ads on the...
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
4:52 pm

I thought it was funny - just made me laugh at the advertiser - but yeah, i'm pretty amazed at the stupidity of advertisers, still making one-size-fits-all...
Rupert
aitia
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Aug 26, 2008
5:00 pm

hmm... I had assumed that Heath was talking about overlay ads DURING the program. I don't have a problem with pre-roll and post-roll ads of whatever type....
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
5:14 pm

... And maybe it's going to get better. BoingBoing is able to lure advertising because of the way the internet has been hyped up. But when the hype dies, and...
ractalfece
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Aug 26, 2008
8:42 pm

thinking about it, the main reason it was so obnoxious was because it came after the intro soundbite from jay and after the boingboing tv ident, so it wasn't...
Rupert
aitia
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Aug 26, 2008
5:19 pm

I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
5:07 pm

Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the "biz" but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing "green" or social...
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
5:14 pm

Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was "shocked" enough just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me that they had been...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
5:20 pm

I don't think they have to have different advertisers for different moods. Their advertiser just needs to provide maybe two or three different styles of their...
Rupert
aitia
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Aug 26, 2008
5:31 pm

It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just the one's before and after....I was too distracked by the blonde to notice the overlays.....
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
5:37 pm

... That was my fault for ASSUMING you meant mid-roll overlay ads. I'm not aware that boingboing even USES those. I didn't mean to imply that there were any...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
8:57 pm

I don't accept those excuses on their behalf. My point is not about art, or they way the advert affects the way the viewer engages with the interview. I...
Rupert
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Aug 26, 2008
9:22 pm

... I see what you're saying. Agreed. If they're using burned-in advertisements, jacking up the flow of your show does make you look like you don't know how...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
10:07 pm

As a big news story, that video will be viewed by countless people. Advertisers are wise to attach to it. - Mary...
mcmpress
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Aug 27, 2008
11:08 am

It's not about them having ads, it was just the type of ad...for me it broke the flow, it seemed intrusive....but I understand that ads are what makes the...
Heath
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